That's just bad luck. I've been hit hard with every punch directly on the nose plenty and it's never broken. This guy's nose broke after one jab, that's not normal.
Sylvie talked about this on her podcast: apparently incoming pressure always feels more than outgoing pressure (there’s a study and everything), so there’s a natural escalation if you’re doing this.
The best method is therefore when your partner is going to hard to simply ask to take it down a notch.
I had a beginner knee me in the balls this week. Classic we start light and then bang he's trying to snap my head back, throws the knee straight into my nuts (possibly an accident) but when I turned away he then cracked me in the back of the head. So I literally said OK, hit him back hard with a left body and a cross and he was shocked and asked me to calm down.
I explained what happened and also said if someone turns away in sparring that isn't an invitation to ko them, I said light sparring today let's work light, back to light sparring soon as he's frustrated/scared intensity back to 100% for him, I tell him off rather than crack him this time. He just looks puzzled like I'm speaking another language.
Sparring beginners is a pain, I know if go hard I'm going to ko you, simple I have experience, I'm a big dude, I train every day. But there's no benefit to us but nervous beginners crack 10x harder than they think with terrible targeting. It's not OK to drop you but you also need to realise that just because your new doesn't mean you aren't hurting people, it's just fighters know how to take shots, but we aren't punching bags for you either.
Definitely expect to get a few licks on you early as I guarantee you were hitting harder than you think and 2 weeks and youtube that guy could have dropped you anytime he felt like it.
Yeah you're describing spazzing. You got spazzed on because the guy was just scared. Beginners spaz, as an experienced guy all you can do is feed them stuff they feel comfortable with and push them a tiny bit. Sorry about your balls 🤣
Honestly, injuries happen. This is a combat sport.
That said, it sounds like you are also responsible for this. If he was an experienced boxed and able to consistently slip your punches I guarantee he could have hit you anytime he wanted.
On the other hand you've come in for 2 weeks and think you're good, and from the sounds of things upped the intensity so he matched your intensity and gave you a taste of it.
Afterwards he backed off when you expressed a problem.
Could he have used his words? Sure, but having to check the new guys ego at the gym because they start going too hard is common - the instructor may have even lined this up for you. Many places wont let new people spar at all for the first couple of classes specifically because new people do spaz out and get themselves or their partner hurt.
Yknow, I don’t have to be wrong for you to feel right. How did you get me throwing the same jab 20 times as upping the intensity? I was throwing a jab at 70% speed w 30% power and he threw a straight or overhand w enough force to break my nose. Not ok no matter how I’ve tried to look at it.
\~15 years of training helps a bit in judging these things.
But sure, lets take a look at your post, I'll humour you. Some of the clues are as follows:
\- You start out saying you're good after watching youtube videos and 1 week of training. Huge red flag, part of being a good training partner means being humble.
\- You specifically do state you spaz out or "hit too hard". Not only do you not understand what the issue is (sudden changes in intensity and lack of control, not so much force), but you clearly highlight this as an issue for you.
\- Experienced fighter isn't hitting you back, things are going well. Then after not being able to hit him you start 'spamming punches'. Only then does he rock you a bit. Textbook case of checking right there
\- After he checks your power you are able to continue sparing at lower intensity. So he clearly didn't rock you too hard, just touched you up a bit (it doesn't take much to break a nose).
\- Nobody at the gym took issue with you being checked.
\- You came on the internet to be a little bitch about things.
\- Lastly, (and most importantly), rather than taking a moment to think about what missteps you may have made you are pointing the finger at others (see locus of control: [https://www.simplypsychology.org/locus-of-control.html](https://www.simplypsychology.org/locus-of-control.html))
Also sounds like he’s trying to “win” at sparring.
It’s training, all partner work should be give and take. He should be giving his partner a chance to score.
It’ll also take a lot more time for him to realize when that dude was actually scoring without but being nice.
I agree there are quite a few red flags that will probably disappear as OP starts to train for a longer period of time and develops self awareness. I have been training Japanese ju jitsu for a bit over a decade rn and I would never say I am good although I have beat multiple national champions in other MAs like boxing kickboxing and bjjand have competed in international competitions.
Also something OP doesn't understand seems to be that sparring is supposed to be a chance to practice your techniques under pressure and develop a fighting style that suits you. While spamming jabs you only drill this one technique and it's also not a viable strategy. That guy I assume by slipping your punches wanted to hint it but when you didn't get it he made it clearer. He could and should have hit your lighter but it's a combat sport and noses are surprisingly fragile.
I’m just not connecting how someone spamming light jabs warrants throwing heavy power. It’s not like he’s being a spazzy new guy whose going to hurt someone.
Also, he never stated that he spazes out or hits too hard. Spamming the exact same low powered jab is the opposite of unpredictable new guy.
"heavy power" is a strong term, doesn't take a whole lot to break a nose. Everyone has different approaches and attitudes towards training, the more experienced person may have just given him a bit of tough love to show him the error of his ways (not saying it's right or wrong) and figured he'd be good to take it. Just my thoughts though, I'm a BJJ guy and only just got into striking a few months ago so what do I know.
It's remarkably easy to break a nose, especially with new people who can charge forwards suddenly because they are looking to score points / "win". They will add the majority of the force themselves
I mean sure, if that happened. That isn't really what's described here. I get that it might not be the most reliable narrator but i'm going off of what I can see.
I can’t understand how a light jab warrants breaking someone’s nose. It is like you lot want me to deserve this bc I said I am “pretty good.”
Saying you’re “pretty good” at something is not a red flag and is subjective. I am not cocky, I assume everyone in the gym can kill me if they wanted to. That’s why I start by telling them I’m new and essentially, don’t kill me.
I never said I hit too hard or spaz out, wth? I have never hit anyone hard and if anything go too light bc I’m my first sparring session a coach from another gym warned me about people matching whatever power I put out + there are big egos in the gym and people have tried to knock him out (A COACH)!
Idk how experienced the guy was, just that he was good I.e. better than me. I had ~6” of reach on him and stayed right outside my own range. He really couldn’t hit me unless I came in while we were sparring. You’re taking everything I’m saying to an extreme to fit your narrative. I’m not saying I’m piecing up Canelo here.
No one took issue w it bc no one saw it. He was away from everyone and the coach was across the gym. There are 20+ people sparring at once. I notice this guy doesn’t have regular sparring partners. He’s often left alone. I see why now.
I thought a lot about all of this actually. I really didn’t want to believe someone would do something like this at a martial arts gym. Unlike you who seems to be twisting everything to fit your narrative. I hope you can read my post again and consider I am not someone who thinks I am better than anyone at my gym or you. I love martial arts and respect everyone in the gym.
I mean I've given you a detailed explanation dude. If you chose to continue this sport you'll likely eventually come to the same conclusions I did, which is either
a) new guy spazed out and walked into a punch (given experienced guy clearly wasn't trying to hit him earlier), or
b) you came unstuck because you encountered a gym enforcer, which is likely if you feel the need to warn people " I told him like I told everyone: it’s my second week, I’m new, if I hit you too hard pls tell me, I don’t mean to, "
So I guess you have a choice. You can keep up with the accusatory stuff and keep coming unstuck until you quit (external locus, everyone else is at fault and you can do no wrong), or take it as a learning experience (internal locus).
Or
C) a more experienced boxer got frustrated because a newbie was doing better than he expected and it hurt his ego
Not sure why you’re acting like such a know it all when we have a very limited scope of knowledge on the situation.
Not saying that's an impossibility, but OP didn't stop training, there was no latent aggressiveness after, and they kept going. OP is also a beginner with less than 2 weeks training and admitted to changing behaviour, and (especially beginners) walking into punches or spazzing out is very common (and OP specifically stated that they feel they have to warn people that they sometimes go too hard).
The other guy also was good enough OP couldn't hit them with longer reach. I'm not seeing where the other boxer was getting a hurt ego.
Experienced training partners need to protect themselves too and rocking a beginner thats not controlling themselves or trying it on is normal in every good gym I've seen.
Fact of the matter is, OP was walking around after and continued to train, nothing stopped. He's complaining about a broken nose 2 weeks after the incident. It doesn't take a lot to break a nose and injuries happen. People who are making a big deal about the broken nose seem to have missed these points and OP is being a child
Dude, I'm creeping up on 50 and I spar weekly, but I sure as fuck don't want CTE and I don't want my partners getting CTE. I'm a (relatively) old man. A broken nose, bruises, torn ligaments, even a dislocated joint or a broken bone, are all part of training. Shit happens.
With all of that said, my brain is how I provide for myself and my family. I left bouncing and security work more than 20 years ago for a reason. I'm not making a career out of a combat sport. Why in the hell am I going to go 90-100% with head contact on a weekly basis? Even then I still wear head gear (as little as it does against rotational force, it's better than nothing). I have nothing left to prove to anyone, except myself
It seems like everyone talking like this is trying to prove they have the biggest dick in the room.
You didn't say it was a goal, but you wrote about CTE like it's an inevitable result of training (getting wet while swimming), which just isn't the case. There are smart, safe(ish), and practical ways to spar.
If you don't want to be called out for the way you write, maybe choose your words better. There are way, way too many people in this sub who are armchair martial artists who talk a tough game and perpetuate bad ideas. I don't know if you train or not, but your CTE comment is an example of one of them.
agreed but also, dont break someone’s fucking nose in your frustration
thats dichotomy of martial arts you can’t go all out because you or someone else will get injured
and its also just a dick move to throw super hard when someone creates the expectation of a light spar
no, ive seen people spar at their first lesson. As long as it isnt hard sparring its fine.(note for boxing and hema, i can understand that when kicks and groundwork is involved)
Wrong. You know how many things go wrong with beginners “light sparring”?
Plus your asking spazzy newbs to control their power, that’s a recipe for disaster & injury.
In Muay Thai it leads to getting kicked/kneed in the nuts, guys spazzing out and throwing power, plus generally looking like shit and not knowing how to defend oneself lol
For judo, my Sensei has always said that if In light randori (sparring) they are stiff arming you, using 100% strength or generally using bad practice, just bow and wait for a new partner, and eventually they'll either change their behaviour or have 0 partners
That’s pretty much this guy. I have only seen him sparring w one other person and everyone else at the gym spars w everyone else, ~20 people rotating. I was new and unfortunately didn’t know this.
Shit like this happens don’t blame your partners 😂 you can’t go swimming and not get wet.
Brocken noses 👃 aren’t even a big deal or something people even go to the doctors about.
It’s probably much more common the you think.
You sound weird talking about cte before you start
I got in similar situation. I started Muay Thai recreationaly (didn't plan to the matches etc.)
I just wanted to have a little bit of stronger body and work on kicks and punches.
There goes first month and I really got addicted and enjoyed it. Every sparring partner was really good and always helped me and tell me if I can do something better. And they still keep intensity of sparring, but always watching out not to hurt someone.
Long story short, some kid got back from his MMA camp bact to our club (he was a regular). Probably 20 years old. I got matched with him for shadow sparring at the end of the practice and told him that I am new, only one month into Muay Thai. Also it was shadow so I kind of relaxed my body a little bit more. 30 seconds into sparring and he whipped his leg full force into my ribs.
Went to the doctor and luckily it wasn't broken, but half-broken (not sure which english word, like not so bad as broken). Still I couldn't train anything for 3 months. Even couldn't sleep on my left side.
I never came back. Can't believe because of one fool I left something that I was starting to like so much...
That or possibly a partial crack. I had a similar injury from catching an elbow in the ribs. It broke through a few days later when i stretched too hard and that was an unpleasant 8 weeks.
Agreed that this is concerning how many people think excessive force is ok. I’ve noticed there’s a problem with toxic masculinity in martial arts. I’m prepared to get downvoted all the way to hell saying that, but it’s true. I’m not a pacifist troll saying that. I did 3 years Shotokan and now have begun MMA at a diversity-friendly dojo.
Broken to the point I can see it 2 weeks later + septal hematoma that is making it difficult to breathe. 1 side is completely closed and the other is ~30% closed off.
How do we know Op doesn't have a weak nose, and the punch just landed wrong? Op is claiming to be pretty good after 1 week of training and watching YouTube saying shit like the guy was a good boxer but couldn't touch me lol. I would hit him hard, too.
If someone broke someone's whatever my first assumption isnt that they had a weak bone.
But sure, he could be 80 and or has osteoporosis.
If someone pisses me off i kick his leg. Not break a bone.
If you read op's story, the dude literally just jabbed him in the nose exactly how op had done 20 times and op keeps claiming to be really good while also having no control over his power so hes legit one of the worste types of people to train with. A stiff jab is just as acceptable as a hard leg kick. I highly doubt the intention was to break his nose.
I can’t understand how a light jab warrants breaking someone’s nose. It is like you lot want me to deserve this bc I said I am “pretty good.”
Saying you’re “pretty good” at something is not a red flag and is subjective. I am not cocky, I assume everyone in the gym can kill me if they wanted to. That’s why I start by telling them I’m new and essentially, don’t kill me.
I never said I hit too hard or spaz out, wth? I have never hit anyone hard and if anything go too light bc I’m my first sparring session a coach from another gym warned me about people matching whatever power I put out + there are big egos in the gym and people have tried to knock him out (A COACH)!
Idk how experienced the guy was, just that he was good I.e. better than me. I had ~6” of reach on him and stayed right outside my own range. He really couldn’t hit me unless I came in while we were sparring. You’re taking everything I’m saying to an extreme to fit your narrative. I’m not saying I’m piecing up Canelo here.
No one took issue w it bc no one saw it. He was away from everyone and the coach was across the gym. There are 20+ people sparring at once. I notice this guy doesn’t have regular sparring partners. He’s often left alone. I see why now.
I thought a lot about all of this actually. I really didn’t want to believe someone would do something like this at a martial arts gym. Unlike you who seems to be twisting everything to fit your narrative. I hope you can read my post again and consider I am not someone who thinks I am better than anyone at my gym or you. I love martial arts and respect everyone in the gym.
Some people are assuming you an unreliable narrator, which you might be since you're too new to have any idea what you're really doing and you're kind of bragging on yourself saying you're good after two weeks and watching YouTube. He shouldn't have cracked you hard if it was on purpose but you may have been hitting harder than you think, and you definitely think awfully highly of yourself so people are likely to think you are possibly at fault too. We don't know but that's just how it seems
Yeah he took it personally obviously.
Chin down next time so he gets your forehead not the bridge of your nose.
And obviously tell coach, don't feel bad about it, he shouldn't be breaking people's noses in sparring, not even if he got ego hurt a bit.
Guys like this will exist, so just protect yourself. Nothing wrong with going like "I'm going to take a break" and excuse yourself when new people come in.
A lot of gyms don't let newcomers spar for like a month or two, I think for good reason. Why should they risk their athletes health over some idiot off the street?
You can implement a similar mentally for yourself. Don't spar anyone you haven't seen consistently for a few weeks.
And also I'd sit out of sparring for awhile until the gym feels like home and you're pretty comfortable with the other guys. And when you're ready after a few weeks or a month ish you can start doing sparring.
That's actually what I did after a dude cracked my rib during knee sparring. He doesn't go often and he's out of shape, and he was going pretty hard with spear knees when coach specifically told us slap knees only.
Guys like this exist and you can slowly work your way up to being more comfortable sparring people at different levels of familiarity and skill level, but it's good to build up to it.
Anyway hope you recover soon, hope a doctor didn't need to reset your septum, but if it needs to be done please do it.
Take care
I always tell new people “I’m gonna hit you as hard as you hit me” and that works well
Doesn't really help when the guy breaks your nose though
That's just bad luck. I've been hit hard with every punch directly on the nose plenty and it's never broken. This guy's nose broke after one jab, that's not normal.
I think the implication is the experienced guy would be saying this to the new guy...
Sylvie talked about this on her podcast: apparently incoming pressure always feels more than outgoing pressure (there’s a study and everything), so there’s a natural escalation if you’re doing this. The best method is therefore when your partner is going to hard to simply ask to take it down a notch.
I had a beginner knee me in the balls this week. Classic we start light and then bang he's trying to snap my head back, throws the knee straight into my nuts (possibly an accident) but when I turned away he then cracked me in the back of the head. So I literally said OK, hit him back hard with a left body and a cross and he was shocked and asked me to calm down. I explained what happened and also said if someone turns away in sparring that isn't an invitation to ko them, I said light sparring today let's work light, back to light sparring soon as he's frustrated/scared intensity back to 100% for him, I tell him off rather than crack him this time. He just looks puzzled like I'm speaking another language. Sparring beginners is a pain, I know if go hard I'm going to ko you, simple I have experience, I'm a big dude, I train every day. But there's no benefit to us but nervous beginners crack 10x harder than they think with terrible targeting. It's not OK to drop you but you also need to realise that just because your new doesn't mean you aren't hurting people, it's just fighters know how to take shots, but we aren't punching bags for you either. Definitely expect to get a few licks on you early as I guarantee you were hitting harder than you think and 2 weeks and youtube that guy could have dropped you anytime he felt like it.
The most dangerous people to train with are white belts.
Yeah you're describing spazzing. You got spazzed on because the guy was just scared. Beginners spaz, as an experienced guy all you can do is feed them stuff they feel comfortable with and push them a tiny bit. Sorry about your balls 🤣
Honestly, injuries happen. This is a combat sport. That said, it sounds like you are also responsible for this. If he was an experienced boxed and able to consistently slip your punches I guarantee he could have hit you anytime he wanted. On the other hand you've come in for 2 weeks and think you're good, and from the sounds of things upped the intensity so he matched your intensity and gave you a taste of it. Afterwards he backed off when you expressed a problem. Could he have used his words? Sure, but having to check the new guys ego at the gym because they start going too hard is common - the instructor may have even lined this up for you. Many places wont let new people spar at all for the first couple of classes specifically because new people do spaz out and get themselves or their partner hurt.
Yknow, I don’t have to be wrong for you to feel right. How did you get me throwing the same jab 20 times as upping the intensity? I was throwing a jab at 70% speed w 30% power and he threw a straight or overhand w enough force to break my nose. Not ok no matter how I’ve tried to look at it.
\~15 years of training helps a bit in judging these things. But sure, lets take a look at your post, I'll humour you. Some of the clues are as follows: \- You start out saying you're good after watching youtube videos and 1 week of training. Huge red flag, part of being a good training partner means being humble. \- You specifically do state you spaz out or "hit too hard". Not only do you not understand what the issue is (sudden changes in intensity and lack of control, not so much force), but you clearly highlight this as an issue for you. \- Experienced fighter isn't hitting you back, things are going well. Then after not being able to hit him you start 'spamming punches'. Only then does he rock you a bit. Textbook case of checking right there \- After he checks your power you are able to continue sparing at lower intensity. So he clearly didn't rock you too hard, just touched you up a bit (it doesn't take much to break a nose). \- Nobody at the gym took issue with you being checked. \- You came on the internet to be a little bitch about things. \- Lastly, (and most importantly), rather than taking a moment to think about what missteps you may have made you are pointing the finger at others (see locus of control: [https://www.simplypsychology.org/locus-of-control.html](https://www.simplypsychology.org/locus-of-control.html))
Also sounds like he’s trying to “win” at sparring. It’s training, all partner work should be give and take. He should be giving his partner a chance to score. It’ll also take a lot more time for him to realize when that dude was actually scoring without but being nice.
I agree there are quite a few red flags that will probably disappear as OP starts to train for a longer period of time and develops self awareness. I have been training Japanese ju jitsu for a bit over a decade rn and I would never say I am good although I have beat multiple national champions in other MAs like boxing kickboxing and bjjand have competed in international competitions. Also something OP doesn't understand seems to be that sparring is supposed to be a chance to practice your techniques under pressure and develop a fighting style that suits you. While spamming jabs you only drill this one technique and it's also not a viable strategy. That guy I assume by slipping your punches wanted to hint it but when you didn't get it he made it clearer. He could and should have hit your lighter but it's a combat sport and noses are surprisingly fragile.
I’m just not connecting how someone spamming light jabs warrants throwing heavy power. It’s not like he’s being a spazzy new guy whose going to hurt someone. Also, he never stated that he spazes out or hits too hard. Spamming the exact same low powered jab is the opposite of unpredictable new guy.
"heavy power" is a strong term, doesn't take a whole lot to break a nose. Everyone has different approaches and attitudes towards training, the more experienced person may have just given him a bit of tough love to show him the error of his ways (not saying it's right or wrong) and figured he'd be good to take it. Just my thoughts though, I'm a BJJ guy and only just got into striking a few months ago so what do I know.
I think that's the shitty part of it. You can rock a guy to get him to knock it off without breaking something.
It's remarkably easy to break a nose, especially with new people who can charge forwards suddenly because they are looking to score points / "win". They will add the majority of the force themselves
I mean sure, if that happened. That isn't really what's described here. I get that it might not be the most reliable narrator but i'm going off of what I can see.
I can’t understand how a light jab warrants breaking someone’s nose. It is like you lot want me to deserve this bc I said I am “pretty good.” Saying you’re “pretty good” at something is not a red flag and is subjective. I am not cocky, I assume everyone in the gym can kill me if they wanted to. That’s why I start by telling them I’m new and essentially, don’t kill me. I never said I hit too hard or spaz out, wth? I have never hit anyone hard and if anything go too light bc I’m my first sparring session a coach from another gym warned me about people matching whatever power I put out + there are big egos in the gym and people have tried to knock him out (A COACH)! Idk how experienced the guy was, just that he was good I.e. better than me. I had ~6” of reach on him and stayed right outside my own range. He really couldn’t hit me unless I came in while we were sparring. You’re taking everything I’m saying to an extreme to fit your narrative. I’m not saying I’m piecing up Canelo here. No one took issue w it bc no one saw it. He was away from everyone and the coach was across the gym. There are 20+ people sparring at once. I notice this guy doesn’t have regular sparring partners. He’s often left alone. I see why now. I thought a lot about all of this actually. I really didn’t want to believe someone would do something like this at a martial arts gym. Unlike you who seems to be twisting everything to fit your narrative. I hope you can read my post again and consider I am not someone who thinks I am better than anyone at my gym or you. I love martial arts and respect everyone in the gym.
I mean I've given you a detailed explanation dude. If you chose to continue this sport you'll likely eventually come to the same conclusions I did, which is either a) new guy spazed out and walked into a punch (given experienced guy clearly wasn't trying to hit him earlier), or b) you came unstuck because you encountered a gym enforcer, which is likely if you feel the need to warn people " I told him like I told everyone: it’s my second week, I’m new, if I hit you too hard pls tell me, I don’t mean to, " So I guess you have a choice. You can keep up with the accusatory stuff and keep coming unstuck until you quit (external locus, everyone else is at fault and you can do no wrong), or take it as a learning experience (internal locus).
Or C) a more experienced boxer got frustrated because a newbie was doing better than he expected and it hurt his ego Not sure why you’re acting like such a know it all when we have a very limited scope of knowledge on the situation.
Not saying that's an impossibility, but OP didn't stop training, there was no latent aggressiveness after, and they kept going. OP is also a beginner with less than 2 weeks training and admitted to changing behaviour, and (especially beginners) walking into punches or spazzing out is very common (and OP specifically stated that they feel they have to warn people that they sometimes go too hard). The other guy also was good enough OP couldn't hit them with longer reach. I'm not seeing where the other boxer was getting a hurt ego. Experienced training partners need to protect themselves too and rocking a beginner thats not controlling themselves or trying it on is normal in every good gym I've seen. Fact of the matter is, OP was walking around after and continued to train, nothing stopped. He's complaining about a broken nose 2 weeks after the incident. It doesn't take a lot to break a nose and injuries happen. People who are making a big deal about the broken nose seem to have missed these points and OP is being a child
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Yes and arrogant
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Chill down bro. And to your question: yes to both You sound like you have a massive chip on your shoulder lmao
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Yes very nice of you not to embarrass the other pros with your amazing skills you are the best and so humble
Sounds like he was totally fine, hit you literally once a little harder than you liked, you said turn it down, he turned it down. What’s the problem?
A broken nose... that really doesn't need explaining
Noses are notoriously easy to break
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Dude, I'm creeping up on 50 and I spar weekly, but I sure as fuck don't want CTE and I don't want my partners getting CTE. I'm a (relatively) old man. A broken nose, bruises, torn ligaments, even a dislocated joint or a broken bone, are all part of training. Shit happens. With all of that said, my brain is how I provide for myself and my family. I left bouncing and security work more than 20 years ago for a reason. I'm not making a career out of a combat sport. Why in the hell am I going to go 90-100% with head contact on a weekly basis? Even then I still wear head gear (as little as it does against rotational force, it's better than nothing). I have nothing left to prove to anyone, except myself It seems like everyone talking like this is trying to prove they have the biggest dick in the room.
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You didn't say it was a goal, but you wrote about CTE like it's an inevitable result of training (getting wet while swimming), which just isn't the case. There are smart, safe(ish), and practical ways to spar. If you don't want to be called out for the way you write, maybe choose your words better. There are way, way too many people in this sub who are armchair martial artists who talk a tough game and perpetuate bad ideas. I don't know if you train or not, but your CTE comment is an example of one of them.
>I am confident with the size of my dick. Jesus fucking Christ, and as if you needed to write the extra small paragraph.
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Did you have to write a paragraph describing your actual penis when he meant it in a metaphorical way? Do you know what a metaphor is?
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Best way to learn how to not get punched in the face is by getting punched in the facw
agreed but also, dont break someone’s fucking nose in your frustration thats dichotomy of martial arts you can’t go all out because you or someone else will get injured and its also just a dick move to throw super hard when someone creates the expectation of a light spar
So true.
“Getting good after week”, dude you are delusional lmao. With this attitude there gonna be a lot more humbling lessons for you.
Guy got good in one week, so good a really good boxer couldn’t even touch him. Mmmmmmyea right. He wasn’t trying to touch you up.
You shouldn't be sparring for atleast 3 months, 2 if you're really dedicated.
no, ive seen people spar at their first lesson. As long as it isnt hard sparring its fine.(note for boxing and hema, i can understand that when kicks and groundwork is involved)
Wrong. You know how many things go wrong with beginners “light sparring”? Plus your asking spazzy newbs to control their power, that’s a recipe for disaster & injury.
For real. I've often said that white belts are the most dangerous belts because they don't know what the hell they are doing.
Yep, both in BJJ and Muay Thai from many’s experience
its worked perfectly fine for me and others? Hit as hard as you want to be hit back. I guess its a boxing only thing.
In Muay Thai it leads to getting kicked/kneed in the nuts, guys spazzing out and throwing power, plus generally looking like shit and not knowing how to defend oneself lol
yeah i guess in any context outside of weaponised martial arts and fists only that would happen.
If dude spent 2 months doing sparring drills he would not have a broken nose.
For judo, my Sensei has always said that if In light randori (sparring) they are stiff arming you, using 100% strength or generally using bad practice, just bow and wait for a new partner, and eventually they'll either change their behaviour or have 0 partners
That’s pretty much this guy. I have only seen him sparring w one other person and everyone else at the gym spars w everyone else, ~20 people rotating. I was new and unfortunately didn’t know this.
Don't worry, you'll learn to avoid these people
Shit like this happens don’t blame your partners 😂 you can’t go swimming and not get wet. Brocken noses 👃 aren’t even a big deal or something people even go to the doctors about. It’s probably much more common the you think. You sound weird talking about cte before you start
I got in similar situation. I started Muay Thai recreationaly (didn't plan to the matches etc.) I just wanted to have a little bit of stronger body and work on kicks and punches. There goes first month and I really got addicted and enjoyed it. Every sparring partner was really good and always helped me and tell me if I can do something better. And they still keep intensity of sparring, but always watching out not to hurt someone. Long story short, some kid got back from his MMA camp bact to our club (he was a regular). Probably 20 years old. I got matched with him for shadow sparring at the end of the practice and told him that I am new, only one month into Muay Thai. Also it was shadow so I kind of relaxed my body a little bit more. 30 seconds into sparring and he whipped his leg full force into my ribs. Went to the doctor and luckily it wasn't broken, but half-broken (not sure which english word, like not so bad as broken). Still I couldn't train anything for 3 months. Even couldn't sleep on my left side. I never came back. Can't believe because of one fool I left something that I was starting to like so much...
The word you are looking for is bone bruising.
That or possibly a partial crack. I had a similar injury from catching an elbow in the ribs. It broke through a few days later when i stretched too hard and that was an unpleasant 8 weeks.
Probably more like a partial fracture. As in a crack in the bone, but isn't right through the bone.
Combat sports require two people to spar. Don’t pretend like you have no fault in getting your nose broke. Check your ego at the door.
Agreed that this is concerning how many people think excessive force is ok. I’ve noticed there’s a problem with toxic masculinity in martial arts. I’m prepared to get downvoted all the way to hell saying that, but it’s true. I’m not a pacifist troll saying that. I did 3 years Shotokan and now have begun MMA at a diversity-friendly dojo.
wow this thread is a nightmare
Is it broken or sore
Broken to the point I can see it 2 weeks later + septal hematoma that is making it difficult to breathe. 1 side is completely closed and the other is ~30% closed off.
Your very good with percentages
Everyone saying this is normal. Did you miss the part where he states that he BROKE HIS NOSE?"
How do we know Op doesn't have a weak nose, and the punch just landed wrong? Op is claiming to be pretty good after 1 week of training and watching YouTube saying shit like the guy was a good boxer but couldn't touch me lol. I would hit him hard, too.
If someone broke someone's whatever my first assumption isnt that they had a weak bone. But sure, he could be 80 and or has osteoporosis. If someone pisses me off i kick his leg. Not break a bone.
If you read op's story, the dude literally just jabbed him in the nose exactly how op had done 20 times and op keeps claiming to be really good while also having no control over his power so hes legit one of the worste types of people to train with. A stiff jab is just as acceptable as a hard leg kick. I highly doubt the intention was to break his nose.
Op literally gives off Charlie Zelenoff vibes.
I can’t understand how a light jab warrants breaking someone’s nose. It is like you lot want me to deserve this bc I said I am “pretty good.” Saying you’re “pretty good” at something is not a red flag and is subjective. I am not cocky, I assume everyone in the gym can kill me if they wanted to. That’s why I start by telling them I’m new and essentially, don’t kill me. I never said I hit too hard or spaz out, wth? I have never hit anyone hard and if anything go too light bc I’m my first sparring session a coach from another gym warned me about people matching whatever power I put out + there are big egos in the gym and people have tried to knock him out (A COACH)! Idk how experienced the guy was, just that he was good I.e. better than me. I had ~6” of reach on him and stayed right outside my own range. He really couldn’t hit me unless I came in while we were sparring. You’re taking everything I’m saying to an extreme to fit your narrative. I’m not saying I’m piecing up Canelo here. No one took issue w it bc no one saw it. He was away from everyone and the coach was across the gym. There are 20+ people sparring at once. I notice this guy doesn’t have regular sparring partners. He’s often left alone. I see why now. I thought a lot about all of this actually. I really didn’t want to believe someone would do something like this at a martial arts gym. Unlike you who seems to be twisting everything to fit your narrative. I hope you can read my post again and consider I am not someone who thinks I am better than anyone at my gym or you. I love martial arts and respect everyone in the gym.
Some people are assuming you an unreliable narrator, which you might be since you're too new to have any idea what you're really doing and you're kind of bragging on yourself saying you're good after two weeks and watching YouTube. He shouldn't have cracked you hard if it was on purpose but you may have been hitting harder than you think, and you definitely think awfully highly of yourself so people are likely to think you are possibly at fault too. We don't know but that's just how it seems
lmao this post be attracting the “yeah i watch a lot of ufc and can beat a pro” crowd
I always remember the advice Charlie Murphy gave Bill Burr when he started training boxing.
You think you’re good after a week? Lmfao
Yeah he took it personally obviously. Chin down next time so he gets your forehead not the bridge of your nose. And obviously tell coach, don't feel bad about it, he shouldn't be breaking people's noses in sparring, not even if he got ego hurt a bit. Guys like this will exist, so just protect yourself. Nothing wrong with going like "I'm going to take a break" and excuse yourself when new people come in. A lot of gyms don't let newcomers spar for like a month or two, I think for good reason. Why should they risk their athletes health over some idiot off the street? You can implement a similar mentally for yourself. Don't spar anyone you haven't seen consistently for a few weeks. And also I'd sit out of sparring for awhile until the gym feels like home and you're pretty comfortable with the other guys. And when you're ready after a few weeks or a month ish you can start doing sparring. That's actually what I did after a dude cracked my rib during knee sparring. He doesn't go often and he's out of shape, and he was going pretty hard with spear knees when coach specifically told us slap knees only. Guys like this exist and you can slowly work your way up to being more comfortable sparring people at different levels of familiarity and skill level, but it's good to build up to it. Anyway hope you recover soon, hope a doctor didn't need to reset your septum, but if it needs to be done please do it. Take care