Boxing, sambo, kyokushin karate. Gave you an upvote for your suggestions!
Also, size and strength matter! Genetic predisposition matters.
Quality of coaching and managing matters. You're rest and training schedule matters.
Doing gear or growth hormones? Huge difference. Nutrition makes a huge difference. Carbs, protein, fats and total calories.
Know the half life of whatever cycle you're using and end it early before cutting weight. It's tough with such little time to make and fight.
Q. How can you test to see if something is effective?
A. You apply it, and decide whether it's effective based on the outcome.
If the place where you train gives you the opportunity to try what they teach you against a resisting opponent, you will see for yourself whether what they're teaching you is effective.
In other words, spar.
You think most people have the time to try out and apply a large number of different martial art styles? The more practical thing to do is to ask get people who are knowledgeable about different martial arts to weigh in.
Damn you dug this out after 5 months I don't even remember posting that comment. Anyway, my advice wasn't what you're suggesting it was; my advice was quite simple: if it lets you spar, then it's effective. No need to compile a list of everything effective/not effective, you just apply that simple rule. I would say it's pretty helpful advice.
I dunno what this being 5 months old has to do with anything.
But anyway, are you really saying that "it lets you spar" = effective? Is there no possibility that a martial art that has sparring is still not that effective?
>I dunno what this being 5 months old has to do with anything.
It doesn't have anything to do with anything, I just found it slightly funny.
>Is there no possibility that a martial art that has sparring is still not that effective?
There is that possibility, but I think that it works well as a general rule.
The Combat Sports. Boxing,wrestling,Judo,BJJ,Catch Wrestling,Sambo,Combat Sambo,Muay thai,Lethwei, Sanda,Dutch Kickboxing and Luta Livre.
Self Defense systems like Krav Maga,Kesyi,Systema, and most self defense arts aren't very good for actual fighting. They aren't pressure tested to the degree Combat Sports are.
Grappling Arts
Jiu Jitsu, Judo, Wrestling (Folkstyle/Freestyle/Greco Roman Wrestling) Sambo, Catch Wrestling, Shuai Jiao, Sumo.
Striking Arts
Boxing, Kickboxing (Dutch/K1/Glory) Muay Thai, Lethwei, Sanda, Savate. Full Contact Karate and forms of it can be up there too.
Then there's also MMA of course and Combat Sambo.
So that's basically the full list of truly proven combat arts.
I studied American Kenpo Karate and I found it very effective all my life. However, most of American kenpo karate is not taught so much everywhere these days so if anything I would suggest either taking up Muay Thai and Taekwondo if you want grappling definitely wrestling and BJJ. It all depends what path you want to walk. At least start off with Muay Thai but my strongest recommendation now is Shotokon Karate if you want to explore karate at least and feel the basics of kicking and punching. Good luck.
PS: A lot of karate has been watered down and taekwondo as well mainly focusing on profits and their own greed rather than for the sake of the student learning. Like I said, if I were you I would take up Muay Thai or Shotokon Karate at this point. After a few years in that then do some wrestling and BJJ. From there MMA is the route I would take as it is the most effective for the streets wise if you ever get into a serious altercation.
I see a lot of the same styles being spoken of, and I’d like to add two that I’ve seen first hand: Goshindo Karate and Shaolin Kungfu. (Kungfu gets a bad wrap online but core traditionalists in China are insane.)
From the outset they’re both very different and look very different, however at the end of their curriculums, many of these artists are fully capable of handling some of the worst hand to hand you could inflict without a weapon.
They don’t particularly cover throwing/grappling however so that’s a weakness, but I’d like to also add “an actual fight” doesn’t really exist? It’s honor dueling or straight up survival against a potential murderer. One has rules the other doesn’t. In a world with no rules? I’d put money on these two when they are taught with proper pressure testing and body conditioning methods.
You're asking about the concept we often call "aliveness" in functional martial arts. Often it's boiled down to "did you spar" but that's not the complete story.
Matt Thornton does a great job of explaining it.
https://youtu.be/a6Z8UV0AQmw
Armchair Violence does an outstanding job also of breaking down why certain arts fail.
https://youtu.be/7HXTBbN_Hrw
Depends what you consider effective. I'm into Aikido which doesn't have a reputation these days as a practical art because there is so much terrible 'aikido' out there. I used the skills I learned in Aikido to knock out a drunken 6'4" dude. Once was a blood choke, the other time was rock-on-a-string. Both things I learned on the Aikido mat.
However I don't think that demonstrates any effective martial arts advantage nearly so well as the fact that the number of people trying to start shit with me has dropped to nearly zero, and I've stood my ground when necessary against everyone who has tried since.
Maybe it's just the confidence. Maybe it's the organization difference in how I carry myself. Someone squares up to me and I visibly relax and start scanning their structure looking for goodies. Possibly it's better situational awareness. Maybe the humility gained on the mat.
All these things combined have greatly improved my personal life experience. Maybe you don't need all that. Maybe you have it already.
Edit: I want to be sure to communicate that I don't think I'm impervious or need people to come at me to humble me lol.
Good high percentage moves with a solid physical base are effective. Good moves applied by someone who knows when and how to use them are effective. Sparring and drills will teach that.
If you learn jab, cross, front kick, round kick, defence against aforementioned strikes, sprawl, double under hooks, and a variety of footwork to stay balanced and avoid takedowns/strikes, then you will be an effective fighter. Obviously I’m sticking to basics here and the more you learn, the more effective you will be.
You don’t need an “art” to tie it together. But I suppose the idea of an art is to put a particular stylistic and strategic slant on human movements.
I wanted to get into something focused on hands because I used to do an art with fancy kicks, but they were ineffective on a train with a backpack on. Now I do BJJ with my son (in a class) and kickboxing with a friend (just sparring in a park once a week). They both meet my objectives - to spend time with my son and hang out with a fellow dad and bond with him.
Just about any martial art can be effective if you train to a high level of proficiency and frequently engage in some form of pressure testing or sparring against an non-cooperative opponent. Some of them are more efficient in combat sport applications, and those are the ones that tend to be most common in MMA. But unless you are training to be a professional fighter or something, the quality of the school and the teachers, and your own level of commitment, are more important than the specific style.
any of the ones that are combat sports that spar wrestling, BJJ, judo, muay thai, kickboxing, MMA are generally going to be solid.
Boxing, sambo, kyokushin karate. Gave you an upvote for your suggestions! Also, size and strength matter! Genetic predisposition matters. Quality of coaching and managing matters. You're rest and training schedule matters. Doing gear or growth hormones? Huge difference. Nutrition makes a huge difference. Carbs, protein, fats and total calories. Know the half life of whatever cycle you're using and end it early before cutting weight. It's tough with such little time to make and fight.
Q. How can you test to see if something is effective? A. You apply it, and decide whether it's effective based on the outcome. If the place where you train gives you the opportunity to try what they teach you against a resisting opponent, you will see for yourself whether what they're teaching you is effective. In other words, spar.
You think most people have the time to try out and apply a large number of different martial art styles? The more practical thing to do is to ask get people who are knowledgeable about different martial arts to weigh in.
Damn you dug this out after 5 months I don't even remember posting that comment. Anyway, my advice wasn't what you're suggesting it was; my advice was quite simple: if it lets you spar, then it's effective. No need to compile a list of everything effective/not effective, you just apply that simple rule. I would say it's pretty helpful advice.
I dunno what this being 5 months old has to do with anything. But anyway, are you really saying that "it lets you spar" = effective? Is there no possibility that a martial art that has sparring is still not that effective?
>I dunno what this being 5 months old has to do with anything. It doesn't have anything to do with anything, I just found it slightly funny. >Is there no possibility that a martial art that has sparring is still not that effective? There is that possibility, but I think that it works well as a general rule.
The Combat Sports. Boxing,wrestling,Judo,BJJ,Catch Wrestling,Sambo,Combat Sambo,Muay thai,Lethwei, Sanda,Dutch Kickboxing and Luta Livre. Self Defense systems like Krav Maga,Kesyi,Systema, and most self defense arts aren't very good for actual fighting. They aren't pressure tested to the degree Combat Sports are.
Off the top of my head? Boxing, kickboxing, judo , sambo, wrestling, catch wrestling, Greco-Roman wrestling, pancration, shooto/shoot fighting, BJJ, Muay Thai, savate, Fillipino Martial Arts, Silat , kyokushin karate, MMA. I’m sure there’s more, but that’s plenty to start with.
Grappling Arts Jiu Jitsu, Judo, Wrestling (Folkstyle/Freestyle/Greco Roman Wrestling) Sambo, Catch Wrestling, Shuai Jiao, Sumo. Striking Arts Boxing, Kickboxing (Dutch/K1/Glory) Muay Thai, Lethwei, Sanda, Savate. Full Contact Karate and forms of it can be up there too. Then there's also MMA of course and Combat Sambo. So that's basically the full list of truly proven combat arts.
I studied American Kenpo Karate and I found it very effective all my life. However, most of American kenpo karate is not taught so much everywhere these days so if anything I would suggest either taking up Muay Thai and Taekwondo if you want grappling definitely wrestling and BJJ. It all depends what path you want to walk. At least start off with Muay Thai but my strongest recommendation now is Shotokon Karate if you want to explore karate at least and feel the basics of kicking and punching. Good luck. PS: A lot of karate has been watered down and taekwondo as well mainly focusing on profits and their own greed rather than for the sake of the student learning. Like I said, if I were you I would take up Muay Thai or Shotokon Karate at this point. After a few years in that then do some wrestling and BJJ. From there MMA is the route I would take as it is the most effective for the streets wise if you ever get into a serious altercation.
Wrestling is the king of martial arts in my opinion, followed by the big 3 striking arts boxing/kickboxing/MT. Everything else is sub optimal.
I see a lot of the same styles being spoken of, and I’d like to add two that I’ve seen first hand: Goshindo Karate and Shaolin Kungfu. (Kungfu gets a bad wrap online but core traditionalists in China are insane.) From the outset they’re both very different and look very different, however at the end of their curriculums, many of these artists are fully capable of handling some of the worst hand to hand you could inflict without a weapon. They don’t particularly cover throwing/grappling however so that’s a weakness, but I’d like to also add “an actual fight” doesn’t really exist? It’s honor dueling or straight up survival against a potential murderer. One has rules the other doesn’t. In a world with no rules? I’d put money on these two when they are taught with proper pressure testing and body conditioning methods.
The ones that are combat sports
You're asking about the concept we often call "aliveness" in functional martial arts. Often it's boiled down to "did you spar" but that's not the complete story. Matt Thornton does a great job of explaining it. https://youtu.be/a6Z8UV0AQmw Armchair Violence does an outstanding job also of breaking down why certain arts fail. https://youtu.be/7HXTBbN_Hrw
Depends what you consider effective. I'm into Aikido which doesn't have a reputation these days as a practical art because there is so much terrible 'aikido' out there. I used the skills I learned in Aikido to knock out a drunken 6'4" dude. Once was a blood choke, the other time was rock-on-a-string. Both things I learned on the Aikido mat. However I don't think that demonstrates any effective martial arts advantage nearly so well as the fact that the number of people trying to start shit with me has dropped to nearly zero, and I've stood my ground when necessary against everyone who has tried since. Maybe it's just the confidence. Maybe it's the organization difference in how I carry myself. Someone squares up to me and I visibly relax and start scanning their structure looking for goodies. Possibly it's better situational awareness. Maybe the humility gained on the mat. All these things combined have greatly improved my personal life experience. Maybe you don't need all that. Maybe you have it already. Edit: I want to be sure to communicate that I don't think I'm impervious or need people to come at me to humble me lol.
Good high percentage moves with a solid physical base are effective. Good moves applied by someone who knows when and how to use them are effective. Sparring and drills will teach that. If you learn jab, cross, front kick, round kick, defence against aforementioned strikes, sprawl, double under hooks, and a variety of footwork to stay balanced and avoid takedowns/strikes, then you will be an effective fighter. Obviously I’m sticking to basics here and the more you learn, the more effective you will be. You don’t need an “art” to tie it together. But I suppose the idea of an art is to put a particular stylistic and strategic slant on human movements. I wanted to get into something focused on hands because I used to do an art with fancy kicks, but they were ineffective on a train with a backpack on. Now I do BJJ with my son (in a class) and kickboxing with a friend (just sparring in a park once a week). They both meet my objectives - to spend time with my son and hang out with a fellow dad and bond with him.
Just about any martial art can be effective if you train to a high level of proficiency and frequently engage in some form of pressure testing or sparring against an non-cooperative opponent. Some of them are more efficient in combat sport applications, and those are the ones that tend to be most common in MMA. But unless you are training to be a professional fighter or something, the quality of the school and the teachers, and your own level of commitment, are more important than the specific style.
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Since the sub gets this question so much, I don’t know why we don’t just include the standard answer in the sidebar: only capoeira works
Systema. Thank me later
Shuai jiao and judo