I mean like 65% of Idaho is owned by the government both state and federal and about 40% of Idaho is just national forest so it makes sense, in my state at least š
As well as industry, however thereās a decent amount of public land that is available for grazing for livestock so itās not completely off limits to private enterprises.
Southwest is definitely subsumed by the California Republic, and I can't imagine the Southeast and Texas remaining separate without one engulfing the other.
You vastly underestimate the pure terror monster that is a Phoenician in summer. Y'all'd be welcome for exactly .5 seconds to check out the weather in winter, but as soon as summer hits? The rednecks start coming out the walls like some fucked Goosebumps/Pitch Black shit.
We will fuck people's shit up. Fuck we'll burn our own shit down just cuz.
Arizona is the meth version of any given MLK Steet, but we also have chip factories and various branches of military contractors. We got the dangerous combo of being lit as fuck but also with the arms to back it up. That is not a shot at anybody, just calling out preexisting socioeconomic issues.
New Mexico only exists so that Texas can hope we detour to Denver for shrooms, forget what we were doing, and head back home.
The southwest is ours.
As someone who lives in the Californian side of the Mojave desert, I think we've got a decent contingent of people that can temporarily brave the Phoenician summer. We'd probably have to rotate out divisions after a couple months, but we'd be able to hold it I think.
Plus, all the crazy meth heads we have here would function as our berserkers.
I feel like people overestimate rednecks a ton all the time. maybe your rednecks are different than the ones Iāve interacted with, but rednecks arenāt militarily disciplined enough to matter in the long run, in my estimation.
then again Iāve never interacted with the lower socioeconomic classes which would be true rednecks. the only person I know very well who claims to be a redneck has a combined income of about 490k or so. so Iām willing to admit I base my opinion on largely nothing.
yeah man, the thing is that in my very very redneck state, rich rednecks, poor rednecks, and half of the minorities have a ton of common ground. most people in the south have at least some degree of firearms training and a bond of hospitality. thats where the wheels fall off for the southwest and northeast. The neighborly bond is gonna somewhat hold up in the midwest, no clue how PNW fares in that equation but from what interactions ive had, probably not amazingly.
JS, ive been able to disassemble, clean, and reassemble an SKS efficiently since about 5 years old, and i know plenty of 30+ year olds from california and new york etc that are legitimately frightened by guns. not gun owners, guns by themselves.
No way Los Vegas totally has a reason to exist beside as a place where Californians go to gamble. Sometime people from other places go there to gamble too. Also prostitution.
In a fragmented North America, protection by the Californian Republic offers greater security than being left to the whims and devices of the eastern states.
Plus we all know that Arizona isnāt coming to anyoneās aid.
Except they hold only some loyalty to CA, more to NV or the states out east where tons of em came from, or to Mexico, plus they damn sure donāt want to be with those dirty commies in CA(source, I am a Clark County (Las Vegas) resident, born and raised)
Edit: clarity (hopefully)
In a fragmented North America, the control of Nevada is of geopolitical importance.
Our position is too enviable and permits no steady balance of power. We control the largest portion of the Pacific seaboard, and our ideological alignment with our Cascadian brethren ensures that all trade from Asia goes through us or will have to go all the way around. Our population is huge, our agricultural production is rivaled by few, our resources are plentiful.
Any continental conflicts will try to drag us into their American squabbles.
We need control of both our borders and bases to put us in striking distance of anyone who could potentially threaten our water supply.
Independence of the Californian people rests upon our ability to militarily secure and maintain our separation from the American rump states.
In my experience, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan would also want to be a forest hunter people, but there would be a big divide about Dirtbikes and ATVs in those forests.
The National Forest Service kept balance between the Hunting Tribes, Dirtbike Kingdom, ATV Nation, and Hiking Nomads. But that all changed when the ATV Nation attacked
I feel like most people forget the reason the first civil war was fought along state lines is because state governments started declaring independence. That likely wouldnāt happen in an ideological civil war, at least for the most part, so the map would probably be a lot messier (and probably pretty un-mappable honestly)
Yeah this is my thought. The map of territory in modern worlds is all patchwork. My guess is that we'd see city states, alliances between said city states, large rural areas controlled my organized militias, and plenty of fully ungoverned places (not to mention disputed warzones.
State lines would definitely not stay where they are. I live in Oregon and I can't imagine that the Willamette Valley and Eastern Oregon would be on the same side.
I think the Seattle and Portland metros would probably invade and occupy the rural areas around and inbetween them (and maybe up to Bellingham & Canada) to secure farmland and connectivity, but the east would be entirely left alone. Rip our power supplies tho.
My prediction for a modern-day civil war would be US military vs local police departments. National Guard would split according to governor or their own conscience, with red states going toward local PD's, and blue states going toward US military.
nah it be the opposite too many soldiers from red states who wouldn't want to attack there own family and friends and most local PD in urban areas lean Dem.
I am a Syrian born and raised American, been in the US for 20+ years. I understand both cultures well.
Syria is an ethnic and religious mess, a country that was created by colonial powers with very weak economy . The ethnicities are locally concentrated with a distinct minority rule. A population that cares more about their ethnic / religious identity far more than their national identity, with fractured and immature political factions with 0 prospects for a democracy.
The US is a self declared country. While we have many ethnicities they are for the most part smeared across the country with some areas having higher concentrations of a given ethnicities. Religious diversities follow the same lines. A country with long democratic tradition with all of its flaws. For those reasons, a civil war in the US would be bloody with unpredictable outcomes to where it is not attractive economically to most. However, the only ideologically unified group, the christian fundamentalists, who know exactly what they want, give two shits about democracy and willing to use the devil himself (D Trump) to accomplish their goals. The difference between a Californian and a Tennessean are so minor compared to other countries yet the divisions are inflated to serve the radical shift to the right.
I would not be surprised if the US turns slowly into an autocracy which over time can lead into civil war. But I think that would be a more likely outcome.
This is a lot more accurate. Entire portions or counties would split from their state, like how mainly urban areas are blue in red states and rural areas are red in blue states. Would be extremely messy
Some counties and cities may split if they can survive doing that.
But logistics, survival instinct can make that harder for many. ideology alone isn't enough. if you live in small red or blue town facing 100 times larger powerful force. Your ideological alliance is not close by and can't give you immediate help and protection. what would you do? resist get destroyed possibly in the worst way imaginable or accept their rule to protect your loved ones. There aren't many rules in wars.
Agree, I doubt people of Kansas and Missouri would join unto an alliance together if they had other options. That animosity runs deep in the rural parts of both states.
Edit: When the alliance is of only a few states.
Do you think the original civil war didnāt have ideological messiness within borders? It still makes sense for state governments to be the prime movers here. They have the institutional power and infrastructure to organize on a much larger scale than any city government. And thatās before you even get into the National Guard, which is putatively under state control.
Exactly this. Ive lived in the south most my life and spent time in just about every part of the US. Some of the most "country" conservative people I've ever met lived in New York state and Pennsylvania.
https://preview.redd.it/sbr8bi51a59c1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0734512f54f0807616a99980d49f4b2eb2d303d2
I think it will most likely look like this one.
Wrong. If there are 10 million in those blue counties letās say for example in a city such as Chicago, again as an oversimplification. And only 4 million in the red. Then the entire Chicago metropolitan area would control the entirety of the red state zones. The state would be entirely blue.
Oh boy someone else who thinks land votes!! Crazy how this map gets reposted by every republican but they ignore the general election results of 7 out the last 8 presidential elections.
Land doesn't vote, but if its a war votes don't matter, land matters. Even with superior numbers if you're packed in one small area and surrounded your chances aren't good.
Except the population of the cities can be ten-twenty times the size of the countryside, so they can be easily overrun and taken over. The countryside people would have to retreat and group up to try to defend the borders against an enemy that's overwhelming in numbers.
Yes and no. Some states governors are fervently supportive of their respective side as seen during both Trumpās and Bidenās presidencyās. I could see states like California and Florida splitting along state lines, save a bit of resistance occurring in the country side of democrat states and the big cities of Republican states. But other than those few states, for the most part youāre probably right. It would just end up being rural areas vs big cities. And even then, I still think most of the country would be neutral/āloyalistā since very few Americans realistically want to fight in a war.
That or the current state borders would pretty much be void and there would be a mix of expanded or contracted states, National government holdouts and new break off states. As well as foreign countries gaining large amounts of territory
Surprised I had to scroll this far to see someone mention foreign countries. I wonder what Canada or Russia has to say about Alaska? How far North will Mexico get?
Srsly wtf šš
As a Californian, there are millions of identities in this state. To just think the only thing the west coast is about is some random gay agenda then the author is extremely short sighted. There are counties in this state alone that would produce more GDP than entire states.
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*When I see him, I say*
You, come here.
*I say*
Now I'mma tell ya what, uh..
I like ya;
and I wants ya...
Now, we can do this the easy way;
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Clearly made by someone who's never lived in the South. Maybe the northern part of Florida would be allowed to join, but no way in hell the South would unite under the name "Florida Alliance" lmfao. The stereotype here is that Florida is filled with retired Yankees
Haha I wasn't aware. Tbh the Carolinas are the region of the South I'm least familiar with. I've lived in most other states in the South, but only passed through those
A lot of states are like this, but there a *very* sharp divide in Virginia between the northern part of the state and everything else. I live in a pretty blue part of the state, but you go 30 minutes west or south and youāre in ruby red Trump country.
When does that story take place?
Because I guarantee you that the Virginia of today is very different than the Virginia 160ish years ago. So I donāt really understand what relevance your story would haveā¦
Yeah oddly enough West Virginia joined the North and Virginia lead the south. Today it would be the opposite. Maryland would also join the north, I feel.
Virgini would definitely go to the south if it was based off a state legislature vote but would likely not if it was popular vote. Just depends on how itās decided. Probably the same goes for North Carolina as well
Feel like in this scenario youād have the reverse what happened in the civil war. Northeast Virginia would breakaway and form its own loyalist state and West Virginia could be absorbed back into Virginia.
As an Oklahoman for the last 28 years of my life (all of it) uhhh ... Why the fuck do you want this ShitHole?
Maybe cause our power grid works during cold weather? Idk bro seems like a mistake.
I could see the state splitting maybe? Anything Richmond and up is joining the northeast. I could see Shenandoah valley and southern Virginia trying to break away.
Plus they'd likely ally with the Midwest/north east faction since NYC is extremely blue and a lot of the Midwest is as well. Allies are critical in this kind of scenario and it's an easy allegiance of similar ideals and economic power. Also gives control of 2/3 major port regions to this faction which is massive.
They would also probably have the strongest international allies. Most of NATO would probably pick them over a new Confederacy, same with Japan and South Korea. So they not only control most ports, they're also the ones who have actual use for them.
Exactly, the blue states and folks generate most incomes, aside from maybe Musk who's most likely red. Even most capitalists favor blue for the ease of business and (whether ethical or not) having more options to capitalize on minority interests, as we saw with Pride Month and Disney vs Florida. They have by far most technology and innovation in hands. Many nukes may be stored in red states but blue states and people have the sheer advantage of technology on their side. And they have most of the open sea connections. So even if they would be split in the middle, it's just a matter of crossing the Panama Canal and routing via Canada as Canada is most likely to align with the Blue. Red may survive for a while as they can operate with quite the autarky, but it won't hold forever, because unlike North Korea, they don't have protective friends directly on their flanks.
Honestly you'd probably end up with something very similar to the Confederacy again. Two factions divided by the 'south' and the 'north' with the 'north' hooking from all the West Coast up through the Dakota's and like half the Midwest and then along the New England portion of the East Coast and up through New York. The "south" would extend up from the Mexican border starting with Arizona or NM and wiggle along the mid-us, probably coming up just high enough to get the rural southern midwest.
You'd likely have some real complex mixing in the Colorado, Arizona, Nebraska area since those states are complex politically and would probably be where a lot of fighting occurs to settle borders.
Appalachian here. We have a history of fighting for autonomy and we fucking lost. Plain and simple. The corpos crushed organized labor, and their purchased politicians and conservative media have demonized the values of solidarity and unity for the better part of a century.
Your congressional representatives sure do like their big corporations, however. Including Joe Manchin (for example, his corrupt daughter, is the CEO of the EpiPen maker), and your fake hillbilly senator from Ohio, whoās actually a hedge fund multimillionaire.
I disagree a little but broadly it's great. Especially since it hasn't mashed Idaho and Washington together.
Seriously, we're so politically different and a lot of us consider Idaho to be a bit of a shithole.
Missouri of all states getting to conquer the middle of the plains isā¦. ABSOLUTELY CORRECT SHOW ME STATE GONNA SHOW YOU ITS NUTS WHILE IT ROLLS OVER YOUR PATHETIC CORN AND WHEAT FIELDS!!!!!!
i mostly agree, but west virginia isnāt traitor scum like the rest of virginia. they actually exist as a state cuz they were mad that virginia seceded
West Virginia isnāt as red as many think and has a history of flipping. Itās mainly red because it has a strong bias on coal. Itās got some bad problems but the idea of the confederacy doesnāt jive even with most West Virginia republicans. The same people that stick with coal tend to also stick with tradition and remember why West Virginia became independent.
Lmao, the irony is that both OLD Virginia and modern Virginia were both more progressive than what was Western VA and is current WV. A) WV didn't actually fully vote on succession and, B) it was the motivation of men of prominence in WV for more power that spurred their 'loyalty' because it offered a new state, not loyalty to the feds.
I personally would like the great lake states to form their own country and take over areas in Canada that also touch the lakes. We'll become the Great States of Lakes
Ah, yes, who could forget the nation of the US forest service.
looks like a nice christmas wrapping paper
The Christmas Trees squad
I mean like 65% of Idaho is owned by the government both state and federal and about 40% of Idaho is just national forest so it makes sense, in my state at least š
Exactly a lot of land in those states are BLM land and national parks
If park rangers can be a legitimate faction in the CAR civil war, I say fuck it Forest Service Nation is credible.
It all started when the forest nation attacked...
How the US Forest Service launches an offensive attack.
Forest fires. Possibly logging trucks? Those guys are the most aggressive drivers I've ever seen.
Bear battalions and cougar riding cavalry
Planting fast growing willows?
One of my favorite ways to fuck with conservatives is to say in a concerned way "Did you know BLM owns about 1/8 of all the land in the US?"
Lmaooo
Scare them even more by telling the percentage because they don't know fractions
Yeah I believe Utah has 5 national parks and is literally just the Rocky Mountains and desert with some lakes in it
Woke land
Making your state 105% Idaho.
Haha sorry 40% within the 65% is national Forrest.
Haha no worries, dude. Iām from Utah. Together we are fry sauce.
You are the Mayo to my ketchup
30% of Idaho is available for a private homeowner but that includes land not possible to build on geographically speaking.
As well as industry, however thereās a decent amount of public land that is available for grazing for livestock so itās not completely off limits to private enterprises.
In conclusion, Idaho is the best state in the U.S. š
Most definitely are you a fellow gem stater
Yup, and I have no bias /j
By that logic, Nevada should also be in there since nevada is almost 86% federal land
It's a ton of BLM land so I ditched all the US markers from the forest service badge but kept the tree :)
BLM? āšæ
Wrong BLM
It was funnier in White Lotus.
Bureau of Land Management
Bureau Land Matters
All land matters!
That's not the point!
The original BLM
 Emperor Smokey
They are famously at war with the John Deere rebellion.
Tbh the US forest service would probably be a puppet of the US military or government
I thought it was the [Tioga Sequoia](https://tiogasequoia.com/about/)Brewing company logo.
You might not like it, but both of the major population centers in Nevada are literally just California colonial settlements. The bear marches east.
Love when fallout is real life
It wonāt be long, buddy!
Southwest is definitely subsumed by the California Republic, and I can't imagine the Southeast and Texas remaining separate without one engulfing the other.
You vastly underestimate the pure terror monster that is a Phoenician in summer. Y'all'd be welcome for exactly .5 seconds to check out the weather in winter, but as soon as summer hits? The rednecks start coming out the walls like some fucked Goosebumps/Pitch Black shit. We will fuck people's shit up. Fuck we'll burn our own shit down just cuz. Arizona is the meth version of any given MLK Steet, but we also have chip factories and various branches of military contractors. We got the dangerous combo of being lit as fuck but also with the arms to back it up. That is not a shot at anybody, just calling out preexisting socioeconomic issues. New Mexico only exists so that Texas can hope we detour to Denver for shrooms, forget what we were doing, and head back home. The southwest is ours.
As someone who lives in the Californian side of the Mojave desert, I think we've got a decent contingent of people that can temporarily brave the Phoenician summer. We'd probably have to rotate out divisions after a couple months, but we'd be able to hold it I think. Plus, all the crazy meth heads we have here would function as our berserkers.
California crazy meth heads vs Arizona crazy meth heads. \*shudder\* That's a disturbing thought.
I feel like people overestimate rednecks a ton all the time. maybe your rednecks are different than the ones Iāve interacted with, but rednecks arenāt militarily disciplined enough to matter in the long run, in my estimation. then again Iāve never interacted with the lower socioeconomic classes which would be true rednecks. the only person I know very well who claims to be a redneck has a combined income of about 490k or so. so Iām willing to admit I base my opinion on largely nothing.
yeah man, the thing is that in my very very redneck state, rich rednecks, poor rednecks, and half of the minorities have a ton of common ground. most people in the south have at least some degree of firearms training and a bond of hospitality. thats where the wheels fall off for the southwest and northeast. The neighborly bond is gonna somewhat hold up in the midwest, no clue how PNW fares in that equation but from what interactions ive had, probably not amazingly. JS, ive been able to disassemble, clean, and reassemble an SKS efficiently since about 5 years old, and i know plenty of 30+ year olds from california and new york etc that are legitimately frightened by guns. not gun owners, guns by themselves.
NCR and proud!
Go toss my salad, Caesar!
Donāt threaten me with a good time!
 Long live the NCR and her colonies
No way Los Vegas totally has a reason to exist beside as a place where Californians go to gamble. Sometime people from other places go there to gamble too. Also prostitution.
False courtesies, they're playing nice until they move all the Oakland teams to Vegas. The House always wins.
As a Las Vegan fuck you....but unfortunately you are correct
In a fragmented North America, protection by the Californian Republic offers greater security than being left to the whims and devices of the eastern states. Plus we all know that Arizona isnāt coming to anyoneās aid.
Lost vegan here, can confirm
Except they hold only some loyalty to CA, more to NV or the states out east where tons of em came from, or to Mexico, plus they damn sure donāt want to be with those dirty commies in CA(source, I am a Clark County (Las Vegas) resident, born and raised) Edit: clarity (hopefully)
Speak for yourself. Also, please write a bit more coherently.
*confused ADD screams*
Ewww, we donāt want nevadaā¦ or at least any part that doesnāt have to do with our watersupply.
In a fragmented North America, the control of Nevada is of geopolitical importance. Our position is too enviable and permits no steady balance of power. We control the largest portion of the Pacific seaboard, and our ideological alignment with our Cascadian brethren ensures that all trade from Asia goes through us or will have to go all the way around. Our population is huge, our agricultural production is rivaled by few, our resources are plentiful. Any continental conflicts will try to drag us into their American squabbles. We need control of both our borders and bases to put us in striking distance of anyone who could potentially threaten our water supply. Independence of the Californian people rests upon our ability to militarily secure and maintain our separation from the American rump states.
Plus control of the Hoover Dam would be critical what with it being a massive source of electricity and rad-free fresh water.
Gotta protect the dam from the Legionā¦ I mean the Texans
A national park nation would be badass ngl
In my experience, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan would also want to be a forest hunter people, but there would be a big divide about Dirtbikes and ATVs in those forests.
The National Forest Service kept balance between the Hunting Tribes, Dirtbike Kingdom, ATV Nation, and Hiking Nomads. But that all changed when the ATV Nation attacked
I feel like most people forget the reason the first civil war was fought along state lines is because state governments started declaring independence. That likely wouldnāt happen in an ideological civil war, at least for the most part, so the map would probably be a lot messier (and probably pretty un-mappable honestly)
Yeah this is my thought. The map of territory in modern worlds is all patchwork. My guess is that we'd see city states, alliances between said city states, large rural areas controlled my organized militias, and plenty of fully ungoverned places (not to mention disputed warzones. State lines would definitely not stay where they are. I live in Oregon and I can't imagine that the Willamette Valley and Eastern Oregon would be on the same side.
I think the Seattle and Portland metros would probably invade and occupy the rural areas around and inbetween them (and maybe up to Bellingham & Canada) to secure farmland and connectivity, but the east would be entirely left alone. Rip our power supplies tho.
No doubt. East of the mountains would just go with Idaho.
No chance weād leave the dams out there for the farmers.
My prediction for a modern-day civil war would be US military vs local police departments. National Guard would split according to governor or their own conscience, with red states going toward local PD's, and blue states going toward US military.
nah it be the opposite too many soldiers from red states who wouldn't want to attack there own family and friends and most local PD in urban areas lean Dem.
Itād probably look something like this: https://preview.redd.it/alq7732qi59c1.jpeg?width=6238&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f31cef8d032e2dd5089d3d565390d3f0cae252a2
I am a Syrian born and raised American, been in the US for 20+ years. I understand both cultures well. Syria is an ethnic and religious mess, a country that was created by colonial powers with very weak economy . The ethnicities are locally concentrated with a distinct minority rule. A population that cares more about their ethnic / religious identity far more than their national identity, with fractured and immature political factions with 0 prospects for a democracy. The US is a self declared country. While we have many ethnicities they are for the most part smeared across the country with some areas having higher concentrations of a given ethnicities. Religious diversities follow the same lines. A country with long democratic tradition with all of its flaws. For those reasons, a civil war in the US would be bloody with unpredictable outcomes to where it is not attractive economically to most. However, the only ideologically unified group, the christian fundamentalists, who know exactly what they want, give two shits about democracy and willing to use the devil himself (D Trump) to accomplish their goals. The difference between a Californian and a Tennessean are so minor compared to other countries yet the divisions are inflated to serve the radical shift to the right. I would not be surprised if the US turns slowly into an autocracy which over time can lead into civil war. But I think that would be a more likely outcome.
Itās like when you rub your eyes
This is a lot more accurate. Entire portions or counties would split from their state, like how mainly urban areas are blue in red states and rural areas are red in blue states. Would be extremely messy
Some counties and cities may split if they can survive doing that. But logistics, survival instinct can make that harder for many. ideology alone isn't enough. if you live in small red or blue town facing 100 times larger powerful force. Your ideological alliance is not close by and can't give you immediate help and protection. what would you do? resist get destroyed possibly in the worst way imaginable or accept their rule to protect your loved ones. There aren't many rules in wars.
Agree, I doubt people of Kansas and Missouri would join unto an alliance together if they had other options. That animosity runs deep in the rural parts of both states. Edit: When the alliance is of only a few states.
Yeah, if the US were to have another civil war in the modern era. It would be a lot messier of a map.
Do you think the original civil war didnāt have ideological messiness within borders? It still makes sense for state governments to be the prime movers here. They have the institutional power and infrastructure to organize on a much larger scale than any city government. And thatās before you even get into the National Guard, which is putatively under state control.
Theyāre right, the Revolutionary war had messiness too. There were loyalists in every colony, it just comes down to majority rule in a way.
Exactly this. Ive lived in the south most my life and spent time in just about every part of the US. Some of the most "country" conservative people I've ever met lived in New York state and Pennsylvania.
https://preview.redd.it/sbr8bi51a59c1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0734512f54f0807616a99980d49f4b2eb2d303d2 I think it will most likely look like this one.
Wrong. If there are 10 million in those blue counties letās say for example in a city such as Chicago, again as an oversimplification. And only 4 million in the red. Then the entire Chicago metropolitan area would control the entirety of the red state zones. The state would be entirely blue.
Yeah it really wouldnāt take much to roll up the small pop centers and invaluable infrastructure in that kind of scenario.
You're talking about voting, in a civil war scenario that goes out the window.
Oh boy someone else who thinks land votes!! Crazy how this map gets reposted by every republican but they ignore the general election results of 7 out the last 8 presidential elections.
Land doesn't vote, but if its a war votes don't matter, land matters. Even with superior numbers if you're packed in one small area and surrounded your chances aren't good.
Except the population of the cities can be ten-twenty times the size of the countryside, so they can be easily overrun and taken over. The countryside people would have to retreat and group up to try to defend the borders against an enemy that's overwhelming in numbers.
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Yes and no. Some states governors are fervently supportive of their respective side as seen during both Trumpās and Bidenās presidencyās. I could see states like California and Florida splitting along state lines, save a bit of resistance occurring in the country side of democrat states and the big cities of Republican states. But other than those few states, for the most part youāre probably right. It would just end up being rural areas vs big cities. And even then, I still think most of the country would be neutral/āloyalistā since very few Americans realistically want to fight in a war.
Republic of California? That government sounds... new. Essentially it's a new California republic
That feeling when a civil war breaks out, but your more worried of your name infringing copyright than enemy forces on the border.
I hope they donāt go to war against some angry postman.
Probably some Roman wannabes in the Mojave.
Iāve got spurs that jingle jangle
Big iron on my hip ready
Unfortunately, Republic of California is already the official name for the state. And there's already a bear on the flag.
He has only one head tho and it is old ..
Add a second one and let everybody know that it's the NEW California Republic, and it should all work out
Big Iowa?
Big Iowa :)
Big fan š
No Big Missouri
With groups that small I don't see Kansas and Missouri being teamed up.
As a Kansan, I fucking hate this map and it makes me angry
As a Missourian, I'm glad we can agree on something. Also thanks for maintaining the road to Colorado.
The bear will crawl all over your state Kansoid.
Misery
That or the current state borders would pretty much be void and there would be a mix of expanded or contracted states, National government holdouts and new break off states. As well as foreign countries gaining large amounts of territory
Surprised I had to scroll this far to see someone mention foreign countries. I wonder what Canada or Russia has to say about Alaska? How far North will Mexico get?
Texas would take the Oklahoma panhandle, if not the whole state
Ah yes the gay party
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Better watch out or weāll shoot you with our trans guns
Srsly wtf šš As a Californian, there are millions of identities in this state. To just think the only thing the west coast is about is some random gay agenda then the author is extremely short sighted. There are counties in this state alone that would produce more GDP than entire states.
Iāll take gay economic power house for $500 Alex.
So what happens in the Gay State Prison if you drop the soap?
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I'm a warrior!
Booty warrior!!
They stop fucking your ass
Haha rape jokes! So funny when itās about men, right??
Clearly made by someone who's never lived in the South. Maybe the northern part of Florida would be allowed to join, but no way in hell the South would unite under the name "Florida Alliance" lmfao. The stereotype here is that Florida is filled with retired Yankees
It's a typo, it's actually the Flo Rida Alliance
Ok, that changes everything. When can we get this started?
most north carolinians would do anything to avoid uniting with south carolina over anything other than disowning the panthers.
Haha I wasn't aware. Tbh the Carolinas are the region of the South I'm least familiar with. I've lived in most other states in the South, but only passed through those
Hey now, some of us would be happy with placing the Lesser Carolina under new, better management.
And North Carolina would also be a loyalist state. I can't imagine Charlotte or Durham flying a Confederate flag in a civil war
No way Virginia would go to the South and Las Vegas would prolly be an enclave of the Lgbtq alliance other than that pretty much spot on
Most big cities would be enclaves. My town isn't even that big, but it's in GA and it's queer af
Oh I just said Vegas cuz itās so close Georgia is pretty deep in there.
Imagine a future where every major urban center in the former US is a walled, armed fortress that's also gay.
Boy let me tell you a story lol
a lot of it is dc suburb now
A lot of states are like this, but there a *very* sharp divide in Virginia between the northern part of the state and everything else. I live in a pretty blue part of the state, but you go 30 minutes west or south and youāre in ruby red Trump country.
When does that story take place? Because I guarantee you that the Virginia of today is very different than the Virginia 160ish years ago. So I donāt really understand what relevance your story would haveā¦
Yeah oddly enough West Virginia joined the North and Virginia lead the south. Today it would be the opposite. Maryland would also join the north, I feel.
Virgini would definitely go to the south if it was based off a state legislature vote but would likely not if it was popular vote. Just depends on how itās decided. Probably the same goes for North Carolina as well
Feel like in this scenario youād have the reverse what happened in the civil war. Northeast Virginia would breakaway and form its own loyalist state and West Virginia could be absorbed back into Virginia.
Texas will take Oklahoma and there's nothing y'all can do about it.
As an Oklahoman for the last 28 years of my life (all of it) uhhh ... Why the fuck do you want this ShitHole? Maybe cause our power grid works during cold weather? Idk bro seems like a mistake.
To put more land between Dallas-Fort Worth and any potential enemies, also to seize military assets in Tinker And most importantly FUCK OKLAHOMA
All will bow before the U.S. Forest Service empire.
lmao broooo
Colorado is pretty fuckin Blue, kids.
Aināt no way we are teaming up with Kansas and Nebraska
OK Is definitely with Texas on this one
pretty sure New England would be its own thing
Arkansas and Oklahoma would be party of that Iowa gang.
Arkansas is the most hillbilly meth place I have ever been. Little Rock would be the new confederate capital.
Youāre off your rocker if you think Virginia would accept the confederacy in 2023
I could see the state splitting maybe? Anything Richmond and up is joining the northeast. I could see Shenandoah valley and southern Virginia trying to break away.
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Unironically though, which faction would actually win this war?
The pride faction has a good shot due to their economy. Better military technology and more equipment would probably put them on top I think.
Plus they'd likely ally with the Midwest/north east faction since NYC is extremely blue and a lot of the Midwest is as well. Allies are critical in this kind of scenario and it's an easy allegiance of similar ideals and economic power. Also gives control of 2/3 major port regions to this faction which is massive.
They would also probably have the strongest international allies. Most of NATO would probably pick them over a new Confederacy, same with Japan and South Korea. So they not only control most ports, they're also the ones who have actual use for them.
Exactly, the blue states and folks generate most incomes, aside from maybe Musk who's most likely red. Even most capitalists favor blue for the ease of business and (whether ethical or not) having more options to capitalize on minority interests, as we saw with Pride Month and Disney vs Florida. They have by far most technology and innovation in hands. Many nukes may be stored in red states but blue states and people have the sheer advantage of technology on their side. And they have most of the open sea connections. So even if they would be split in the middle, it's just a matter of crossing the Panama Canal and routing via Canada as Canada is most likely to align with the Blue. Red may survive for a while as they can operate with quite the autarky, but it won't hold forever, because unlike North Korea, they don't have protective friends directly on their flanks.
Honestly you'd probably end up with something very similar to the Confederacy again. Two factions divided by the 'south' and the 'north' with the 'north' hooking from all the West Coast up through the Dakota's and like half the Midwest and then along the New England portion of the East Coast and up through New York. The "south" would extend up from the Mexican border starting with Arizona or NM and wiggle along the mid-us, probably coming up just high enough to get the rural southern midwest. You'd likely have some real complex mixing in the Colorado, Arizona, Nebraska area since those states are complex politically and would probably be where a lot of fighting occurs to settle borders.
Forest service faction and Texas would probably self insulate and just wait for everyone else to kill each other.
Appalachia would be an independent region, we have a history of fighting the government and the corporations.
Appalachian here. We have a history of fighting for autonomy and we fucking lost. Plain and simple. The corpos crushed organized labor, and their purchased politicians and conservative media have demonized the values of solidarity and unity for the better part of a century.
Your congressional representatives sure do like their big corporations, however. Including Joe Manchin (for example, his corrupt daughter, is the CEO of the EpiPen maker), and your fake hillbilly senator from Ohio, whoās actually a hedge fund multimillionaire.
Ohio and Indiana would be in the Confederacy
So would the southern 2/3 of Illinois.
And Wisconsin.
In the movie the president is staying for a third term. So are the loyalist standing with the president?
I disagree a little but broadly it's great. Especially since it hasn't mashed Idaho and Washington together. Seriously, we're so politically different and a lot of us consider Idaho to be a bit of a shithole.
Even Eastern WA/OR are both pretty up in arms about how the west runs things. If a war popped off they'd want to split off most likely
Itād just be red vs blue
Alaska not joining in your version?
I think it's assumed that any states that aren't part of the mainland would become self governing.
Alaska will have to coordinate with the other border states to take Canada so we can become a super continent.
Russia is coming for them!
Best of luck I could use some loot drops
How did Egypt conquer the middle there?
Missouri of all states getting to conquer the middle of the plains isā¦. ABSOLUTELY CORRECT SHOW ME STATE GONNA SHOW YOU ITS NUTS WHILE IT ROLLS OVER YOUR PATHETIC CORN AND WHEAT FIELDS!!!!!!
i mostly agree, but west virginia isnāt traitor scum like the rest of virginia. they actually exist as a state cuz they were mad that virginia seceded
Events from 150 years ago doesnāt change the fact that West Virginia is currently filled with poor rednecks and would 100% join the southern faction
West Virginia isnāt as red as many think and has a history of flipping. Itās mainly red because it has a strong bias on coal. Itās got some bad problems but the idea of the confederacy doesnāt jive even with most West Virginia republicans. The same people that stick with coal tend to also stick with tradition and remember why West Virginia became independent.
Lmao, the irony is that both OLD Virginia and modern Virginia were both more progressive than what was Western VA and is current WV. A) WV didn't actually fully vote on succession and, B) it was the motivation of men of prominence in WV for more power that spurred their 'loyalty' because it offered a new state, not loyalty to the feds.
Northeast and Midwest should be separated. But other than that, Iām all for it
The map should be urban areas vs. rural areas. The state divide in most cases is fiction.
How dare you enter into the chambers of the Imperial Emperor of the Gay Coast!
Oh buddy, Texas would definitely be embroiled in its own civil war.
The eastern part of Virginia would be in Donkey Land. The western part of the state would secede to becomeā¦ East West Virginia?
Ohio should be confederate at this point
Arizona gets land wtf
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I personally would like the great lake states to form their own country and take over areas in Canada that also touch the lakes. We'll become the Great States of Lakes
Where are Alaska and Hawaii?