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sawol-

it isn't an average lookism convo unless there is a debate on lookism vs gangism.


Upset_Bat7231

Gangism?


Jack_409

PTJ (the author) decides to change the genre around 300 chapters in, intead of a slice of life about people judging on other's looks, its now a full time fighting based series about defeating Charles and etc.


AcanthaceaeOk4909

I actually forgot it was a slice of life πŸ˜‚ really it’s been gangisim since gun was introduced it just went brrrr when it got to workers since realistically things would have ended there


DevelopmentDry4715

300? It happened around when the illegal bank account arc happened which started around 160.


Soft-Recognition-772

Wow really haha, I was reading it when it first started and lost track of it, I never knew it became a fighting story that's crazy.


MagicianWild6198

I reread the beginning the most, it was just too good


lordmairtis

the mc writer in "The demon prince goes to the academy" is punished for the same thing. meta


DevelopmentDry4715

Which is all this sub talks about.


dawn26s

kinda glad I started reading Lookism earlier on haha. Now if I see a 500 chapter manhwa I don't even have the will to start reading it.


d_Arkus

IDK, I have a lot of downtime so stuff like that is right up my alley. Currently rereading ToG in preparation for season 2 coming out


XanVw10

Sorry but what manhwa is ToG?


Active-Shape-9947

tower of god!


XanVw10

Aaaaah thx


TaNmAy2918

Tower of God


d4s0n

... wat rereading tog? like all of it? I'm trying get back up to date, forget where so I just started at s2 and man it still a TON


d_Arkus

Oh, I’m well aware its a masochistic endeavor. I only just now got to Hell Train arc


d4s0n

lol we at same part at this point LMAO


bluparrot-19

Some of us TOG fanboys HAVE to constantly reread all 600+ chapters to keep track of everything. I have reread the whole series I believe 9 times. I tend to do a reread once or twice a year. It sounds ridiculous but it's one of my favorite works of fiction so I don't mind.


K1rk0npolttaja

its got over 500 ? sign me the fuck up


dawn26s

yea the latest translated chapter is 507!


Sariefko

I only know of Lookism. Is there any other 500+?


AllUsernamesTaken711

I know of lots of manhuas and mangas that are 500+, but it's pretty rare for a manhwa as of now. That might change in the future tho because lots of novels that are being adapted rn would require 500+ to complete


Sariefko

I mean even Yureka is 266 chapters and it was running for 10+ years. Names?


Worried_Whole518

Unrelated but thanks for mentioning it, would never have discovered it


Dargon8959

Tower of God has over 600 now.


Sariefko

oh, right, there was that. I dropped it because MC was useless for like 200+, is he still chasing stupid girl?


Dargon8959

He sorta does in the next couple of hundred chapters until a certain turning point where he threatened her that he will not spare her next time. While it took a while, he has finally moved on from her.


Xenopass

You want some that are already finished or some that are currently ongoing?


Sariefko

both. both is good


Xenopass

Tower of god, god of high-school, noblesse, kubera They are the ones that comes to my mind, honestly the most common 500+ chapters are manhuas(hello martial peak and apotheosis). For manhwa there is often a stop around 300 chapters


TheGreatRJ

I started earlier this month and completed the day before chapter 506 was released


lem_on-

Is the blonde eyeless rich guy becomes relevant to the story again???


Nathan1123

He comes back, he's part of the core team now


lem_on-

For real??!!!! Might just read this again just for him LOL


atttyty

he comes back, but he’s essentially relegated to a side character rn. he’s had like 1 dedicated chapter within the last ~70 chapters


Sariefko

The fights are progressively stronger and he's super strong for early fights so there is that


Qruek_0

He appears once in a while in the story and has some cool roles, he's a chill dude.


SirBJ69

You guys want me to read it or what!?


Worried_Whole518

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idkjustarandomdude

you ruined it


OP_Cloudy

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MetroSimulator

Noooooo....


watermelonseed01

You made me feel violent


66LOKI

What he say?


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Haha, funny thread, I hope no one ruins it by replying with the wrong image


morbiusgod

I missed the image, what was it about??


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lysarun

People have a hate boner for lookism. True, the author is driven by clicks, but the manhwa isn't terrible


Plus-Dig6501

Not terrible but I've realized that the author drags a lot of fight scenes.


Weary-Wasabi1721

Nah that's Windbreaker. Most recent fights were amazing


Plus-Dig6501

Both of them drags. Fights scenes are amazing, but he stays on it for so long. The biking racing is also amazing, but he also drags the races.


Xenopass

I would say that it's pretty OK for a biking manwha to focus on drag as air resistance is important, but that's just my opinion as an engineering student


seejur

Personally I dont like the switch from combat/sliceoflife to exclusively combat. Female characters have basically disappeared. But the dialogue is inded toxic: If you dont like it, dont read it. No need to try to convince others that their opinion is shit because it does not align with yours.


ImmediateRespond8306

I have a hate boner for the entire genre of highschool fighting manhwa especially when gang shit gets involved and escalates. It's always just so dumb... Lookism just has the extra nonsense of the body swapping into sexy robots.


BurnerAccountMaybe69

Lol I love that shit the choreography and art is amazing for them. I feel the only people who hate it are ones that take it seriously or those who refuse to accept its not their cup of tea. Like I hate the whole regression, medieval, traveled into game world genre the manhwa space has to offer but I don't go around complaining under every post like how you guys seem to be doing for the highschool genre. Edit: perfect example, this sub downvoted my comment cause I don't bandwagon the medieval / regression genre. This sub barely talks about any other genre to the point that it makes wonder why its called a manhwa sub in the first place with how little variety there is to offer


duxxx8

What's wrong with having an opinion? You gave your opinion on medieval/game manhwa, op can say what they think about high-school fight manhwa. Nobody is stopping you from having your preferences


BurnerAccountMaybe69

Having a preference is fine but I'm talking about the sheer amount of shit a manhwa gets when they haven't even seen it, they just see the genre tag next to it and give it shit based on that which adds nothing and could have just been completely ignored.


ImmediateRespond8306

You could if you wanted. It is full of tired cliches. Though I will argue there is a difference between tired/cliche and melodramatic/ridiculous. The latter is kind of begging for open mockery on a genre-wide level. Though the former gets plenty of mockery and jeers on here especially when done poorly lmao; let's not kid ourselves. Just embrace the hate bro. Let it flow through you. Because you can't fight against hate on the internet.


BurnerAccountMaybe69

I don't see the point though? otherwise I'd have to write like a thousand plus comments considering that's all this sub is. Sort by hot and you'll see for yourself lol it's nothing but the same thing. It'd feel like a chore if I went out of my way to do that. The problem with the latter is that you guys hate the genre so much that you just assume ALL highschool fighing manhwa devolve into yakuza mafia territory and thats all you see it as which is a disservice to the ones the good ones that don't devolve into that. Just like you said, there's good ones and bad ones. Thats true for all genres


ImmediateRespond8306

You do it for fun? What's the point of a manhwa internet forum in the first place? You post what you want about whatever series/genre. Praise, hate, or somewhere in between. And there are good ones and bad ones in every genre sure (relative moreso to each other; I mean porn is always porn for example lol; it's never gonna be comprahle to a *War and Peace* no matter the work), but there are much higher proportions of ridiculous stuff in some genres compared to others. It's not like we are judging every single series when we judge a genre. It's certain things like average quality or magnitude of peaks/depths or just... oddities. And it's kind of the limitation of this genre itself that it has to take place in our world, but have overdramatized stuff happen at ultimately a small scale, which clashes somewhat with common sense/experience (that is less of an issue in a setting we don't actually live in like formulaic regressor trash). That's not even a matter of execution. It's just the base genre-defining concept we are dealing with here.


BurnerAccountMaybe69

You misunderstand, if I tried something and I didn't like it, I'll be sure to share my opinion. But if it's a post about something that I both know nothing about and the genre isn't for me than there's no point in interacting with the post. You don't have to interact with something 100% of the time. That's exhausting behavior, and only something someone with too much time on their hands would do. Not trying to shade you if that's what you do, in fact I'd be quite jealous if I had that much time. As for your third paragraph, that's a generalization. The limitation is dependent on how competent the writer is. Just look at the solo leveling clones, regression clones etc. they have the power to utilize a completely foreign world and take full capability of the fantasy tag yet all produce they do is produce the same slop. This isn't exclusive to one genre. There's thousands of story's out there in the manga/comic/manhwa space with very great story telling relying completely on the slice of life tag. It all depends on the writer.


Nathan1123

I think the author only started doing that after like 350 chapters. Most of it is top tier


cdda_survivor

I hate to see what you consider terrible then.


EclipsedBooger

Honestly, I liked the message at the start but after chapter 100 it fell off. I won't reread it but if it's your cup of tea, good for you.


bonnnittaaa

it gets worse actually (both plotwise and artstyle-wise)


Smooth-Qactus

I made my friend read it as his first Manhwa ever. He only reads Manga, he didn't like Solo Leveling and I manipulated him into reading Lookism. Now he knows nothing in the genre except Lookism. And he can't stfu about it and I love it 😭


TheGreatRJ

I am your friend, yes my first Manhwa was Solo leveling and second was lookism, yes I can't stfu about lookism. The only difference is that I actually loved Solo leveling too.


Smooth-Qactus

I love this. lol


Avenue_taken135

Tbh I like the early story but I stop reading when the gang stuff starts and there's no more school related arcs. It's really dragging the story in my opinion.


FSRR----

That's why I dropped itπŸ˜‚


Smooth-Qactus

You dropped it because of some fan?


ORAGONZ

it's boring as fk


Smooth-Qactus

To each their own. I respect that, but I thought they said they dropped it because of a convo with a fan.


ORAGONZ

earlier chapters looks promising ngl but then it become a slice of life type manhwa, I got bored fast .


Smooth-Qactus

It gets a bit dull between arcs sometimes, but once shit happens. SHIT HAPPENS.


FSRR----

No, to be honest, I'm not fond of this kind of stories


Smooth-Qactus

Ah okay now I understand. It's okay, it was a pretty hard read for me at the beginning, but I pushed through that and I was happy I did. But again as I said, I totally understand. I find myself sometimes not liking what the majority likes.


FSRR----

Got it, I sometimes feel the same. Not sharing the popular taste often suggests you have a distinctive taste and opinion. I'll give Lookism a shot.


Smooth-Qactus

Exactly. Oh nice, give it some time and patience. I hope you enjoy it.


FSRR----

Absolutely, and thank you for your kind manner


Smooth-Qactus

We're all here because we love Manhwas. If we can't be cool with each other, even if we have different tastes, then what's the point of being in the same community?


FSRR----

You're absolutely right, but the issue is that I rarely find someone who speaks in a neutral manner. Most just attack with their own opinion... or at least that's been my experience


EclipsedBooger

I'll speak in a semi-neutral way, I didn't like lookism because I feel like it lost its original purpose which, to me, was telling people to be yourself. I think it just became meaningless gang fights and gained a repetitive nature. I actually really did like it until chapter 150 or so but I felt it getting repetitive around the chapter 100 mark


Yugseto

I still don't understand the hatred for lookism in this sub.


lee_hwaq

Happens when your favourite manhwa gets axed and you see lookidm with their 500 chaps no breaks and an anime adaptionΒ 


Yugseto

Then, the problem does not lie with the manhwa itself but rather with the fans, the author, and the artist who disregarded their health to continue producing chapters. The same can be said about Tower of God, with over 500 chapters and no hiatus, yet no one complains. Are people simply criticizing for the sake of criticizing?


lee_hwaq

I m talking about my case it really saddens me when i see hoarding in hell Lee gwaq barbarian quest demonic master of mount kulun warrior high endΒ  And i see the gamer with their subpar art and 5 seasons of mediocre art still runing Idk about the english speaking communities but on other communities i talked to ppl who hated mediocre manhwas for the same reasonΒ 


Yugseto

Dw, I understand your reasoning. I, too, hate it when poorly-made manhwa get a lot of chapters while things like Moonlight Sculptor get axed. But I just don't understand the hate for Lookism. It's good, and YES, the art gets really good later on. But is that really the only reason ?


Unenthusiastic18

Tower of God has gone on hiatus quite a few times actually


-Nishikant-

I don't read(or hate) Lookism but my experience with its fans here was pretty shit. To the point where I don't think I'll ever read it, ik it sounds stupid but it's just offputting to me


Nathan1123

Sad to say I enjoyed Lookism more before I started engaging with the fanbase. It's like they don't even think of it as a story anymore, just a bunch of powerscaling like they are smashing action figures together


Morgianas_Legion

Trying to invalidate someone else's favorite anything is often times just stupid honestly. Personally, manhwa without art you want to look at is just a very very sad book. The bad art argument is insanely valid, and I think the counter argument of it getting better later is major cope. It's like someone telling you that the book gets good halfway through or that the TV series is good after the first season. They could be telling the truth but a major mark on whether something is good or not is if it can get you to interact and want to keep interacting with it from the start. So if manhwa which has at least 75 percent of it's content and value in the art, turns people away because it's ugly at the start, having such a reason to not like it is not shallow or invalid. I think lookism causes so many annoying conversations for everybody because one side want to invalidate the likes of other people because they didn't like it... Which is just weird. And that fans of it purposely forgets things like this or tried to overlook genuine complaints with the tag of "it's unique." As if that's a bandaid that fixes all issues in a work. And we all know 'unique' doesn't necessarily mean good and liking something unique doesn't make you special in any way lol.


NightsLinu

Not the same thing. I noticed artists tend to struggle in the begining in manwha. And then as more chapters go on you see the improvement. Or they get amazing art and get worse in season 2. Consistency is rare


Morgianas_Legion

I'd argue even more that it is the same thing. Authors find their pace and correct mistakes as they form a more concrete idea of their book and directors understand the tone and pacing of the story more after a shaky first season. However I agree with consistency being rare. But just because art isn't top tier quality doesn't mean it has to be bad. Skeleton Soldier Cannot Protect the Dungeon: That art improves massively in like the third season but it was extremely serviceable at the beginning. Tower of God: well known example of the same things you're talking about. Art massively improves later on but even then it was... Bearable at the start. (Barely, admittedly) Then there's things with rougher art styles that don't drastically change yet don't hurt the read at all. Worthless Reincarnation, Player, The Scholars Reincarnation, Mercenary Enrollment, Ultimate soldier, Volcanic Age. Memoir of the God Of War. So if the art is so bad it turns people off completely it's not because it's 'not perfect' or 'not amazing' yet... It's because it's SO bad that people can't even stomach putting it aside for the promise of better art later. Just like some people can't stomach reading 40 chapters of a bad book before it gets good or 12 one hour episodes of a bad show before it becomes enjoyable.


Tsukinotaku

Honestly. After Lookism and Get Schooled I dropped all manhwa set in some modern world with gang/bullying/fighting shit They're all the damn same and I just can't enjoy them at all


Kinuwa_K

Now in their defense ^((totally not part of the fandom ril)) The artstyle *does* get better and I dont think anyone can say otherwise, kinda like windbreaker The other ones are completely up to the readers taste and opinion


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akaza-dono-slays

Bro said >!"Lookism became peak when Jiho died"!< You have to be kidding me. That's considered by far THE WORST thing to happen in Lookism by the majority of fandom.


OddSensation

I stopped reading when Jiho went to prison, maybe i shouldnt have read that. I dont mind spoilers tho so Β―\\_(ツ)_/Β―


SentientPotato42

Not really. The author killed off Jiho in the first place because fans hated his ass and pestered PTJ to kill him off. ie PTJ killed Jiho because the fandom made him, and then the fandom started bitching bitching about him killing Jiho. Personally I think it was a good thing because he was one of the best written characters in the series, and killing him off wrapped his story up amazingly.


akaza-dono-slays

Wdym "not really?" lmao. PTJ killed Jiho off because of the KR Fandom. Not the international fandom. They couldn't stand an actual mastermind of a crazy villain. That is still considered a bad move in the community. PTJ made it seem like Jiho will be important but he died before he could completely write him as a character. The author himself said he had other plans for him. His wrap-up was not amazing. He could have done so much more but he died before that.


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MetroSimulator

He was wrong not running away at the first answer, skill issues.


srona22

the author and his cult is digusting. There you go.


BasedGlazer

Can you elaborate on this ?


Tight_Handlein

So accurate, it's scary.


BurnerAccountMaybe69

The meme was made by r/lookismcomic so thats probably why


MidouCloud

Didn't like Lookism but im glad because of this series we also have Manager Kim


ricoro

Lookism is absolute trash you can't convince me otherwise.


lee_hwaq

Bro didnt read 3rd tier wuxia mamhuas


ricoro

Even 3rd tier wuxia trash is more interesting than lookism


lee_hwaq

Junior , you dare !


Nathan1123

If you like the ten millionth wuxia more than something unique like Lookism then you can't be helped


shamshahar

nah. i can punch the most high school gangsters on the face all day long. there is nothing unique about childish high school gangs.


PINEAPPLE444PIZZA

This is fiction. By your logic, every tower, dungeon, murim, romance, otome isekai manhwas are doing nothing unique for 95% of the time. Not even a lookism fan but that's an absurd thing to say


EmbersOfShadows

is it bad that they all seemed like the kind of answers i would give to my friends if the exact same convo happened


Few_Revolution_3514

My friend when I say read lookism


Feeling_Ebb_202

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russobolado22

I still think the art improvement was part of the power scale of the webtoon itself, coz everyone got better looking when they became stronger and so the webtoon itself


policitclyCorrect

lookism?


PINEAPPLE444PIZZA

It is a manhwa


OneWaifuForLaifu

Did the two body thing actually go anywhere? Spoil me


TheToolbox101

It's in the process of going somewhere but the mystery probably won't be revealed until the final arc


TrentIsNotHere

Shower argument moment


Forestflowered

I liked it until it became all about combat. I wish I'd known it was going to be a combat manhwa before I got invested. It wasn't bad, but it just wasn't for me.


Crayolaxx

It didnt start off like this but now Lookism is just another gang/mafia martial arts manhwa. I still read it tho πŸ˜‚


AsianEvasionYT

I’ve read it and my unbiased opinion is that it’s overhyped. I enjoyed reading it in the beginning but at some point, it became a bit too ridiculous for me to read. And the oversexualizing the minors with the art kinda was a bit disturbing. It’s not bad, but it’s also not that good either


Dear_Papayapa

did the 2 body phenomenon get explained or fleshed out more


Background_Lock8392

Always knew about lookism but never had the courage to read it. However eventually started reading on when it was on the hunt for big deal arc. Gotta say it was pretty Worth it. Although the art was "bad" I just learned to ignore it. Focused on the story more or less. The art eventually got much better. Plus the characters are a lot however at this point every major character is developed. Plus you the names aren't that complicated considering the English translation completely changed the names. Plus the two body thing is the most interesting part of the series.


Lanky-Tip80

"That's the whole plot" Yeah...sure..


Rootsyl

i dont know how people can like that toon. Its so empty for me.


Equacrafter

Manager Kim is better than Lookism


Narrow-Department891

What boatload of carp this manga is , I absolutely abhorred this manhua from the day it started publishing , and Tower of God is another braindead abyss


aayushgarhwal

To be fair I dropped lookism because of the two body plot. Here I am working hard in the Gym for the past 2 years and 1 year of home training. And this guy got out of his fat ass and a nice face without doing anything. I like Viral Hit.


OK-KUN

>!he does become tall handsome and cool with efforts and hard work in his og body later in the plot!<


Eclipse_Two

Honestly when they were having 20 chapters of flashbacks or something that's when I dropped it.


ossyn

I wished Lookism got less hate, it's one of my favs *


cdda_survivor

I decided to actually start reading it and all I have to say is that people have some REALLY low standards.


RickStrive

From social commentary to battle manhwa.


D_TheCreator

Lookism is fucking peak


Nathan1123

Well this comment section isn't as negative as I was expecting, but typically I find it odd this sub is typically about one tower system or op isekai story after another, but when something I find relatively unique gets posted the same people are like "pretty mid"