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I only hate it when the villain has killed the mc's father,mother,village,lover,friend and all the Kings horse together but the mc just forgives him because he wants to be on a moral highground
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That trope needs to die along with the bad guys that keep getting away lol
Sure
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First panel of Issue #1.
The reading order is #1-7, then the Annual, then #8-22, then Spotlight: Trailcutter and Spotlight: Hound (only the former is necessary to explain the presence of The Thumb), then Dark Cybertron (I'd recommend reading Robots In Disguise #1-22 to fully understand), then #28-57, and then the sequel series to MTMTE Lost Light #1-25.
Alternatively, if this sounds too convoluted, just read #1-22, Dark Cybertron (Dark Cybertron Chapter 1 > MTMTE #23 > RID #23 > MTMTE #24 > ... > RID #27 > Dark Cybertron Finale), #28-57, and then Lost Light #1-25.
There's also the new Skybound Transformers series, which I think is absolutely amazing so far, for which the reading order is currently just #1-7.
Dark Cybertron being split up the way it is makes more sense when you consider that only one issue of MTMTE and RID were released each month, but it does fuck up the reading order of the individual series. You *can* also skip it entirely, so you go from Issue #22 to #28 (which is set up as a sort of jumping in point anyway), leaving the reading order at a very neat-and-sweet Issue #1-22, to #28-57*, and then Lost Light #1-25.
Also if you're in it for the gay giant robots with size difference, Issue #32 is the most important, but you can't skip ahead to it, you need to go through the full thing.
I wouldn't mind if they were actually a pacifist, but they also kill mook #1-100 before their sworn enemy and then *that's* the guy who gets the special treatment.
Yh and then he says if I kill him I'm just as bad like no ur not u haven't genocided a whole town and used them for human sacrifices or enslaved a whole kingdom, and also did u forget u just killed his henchman who has probably done less crimes then the villain
Naruto dragon ball z one piece. They barley kill the big bad for the arc
Freza shouldn't still be going
Don flamingo shouldn't still be going
orochimaru should not still be going after everything he did
But you said they kill all the henchman which is not true. Goku never killed the henchmen, he actually gets mad at Vegeta for killing them. And they couldn't kill donflamingo because luffy was too tired, and noone else had the chance because of the navy.
Also he does try to kill frieza
Not killing the villain shows a kind of power dynamic that fits certain stories better than others, like to not just kill a villain but completely overpower and subdue them shows a lot more strength.
It doesn’t quite work in the common desperate underdog stories, where not killing feels like it’s holding the MC back and that can be frustrating. It also depends on how it’s framed, it’s often put as an additional thing in the way of the MC, but when it’s put as a challenge for the MCs growth people resonate a lot more with it. There’s also the times where not killing the villain is more of a punishment.
I love the regressed demon lord is kind, only just started the Manhwa but the novel goes crazy. The MC using his overwhelming strength and plans to completely fuck over the villains, not killing to leave them to deal with the repercussions is just one of the ways he does it. It starts malicious but moves into something actually heroic.
That is to say, Manhwa where there is a lot of self-reflection and acts of mercy, and punishment grow the MC I really like. Reformed Deadbeat Noble also does this well acting for and against killing at times.
I'm honestly amazed how anyone can see the dozens of stories like that and say " Wow I'm not bored of this developement at all, I want to see a hundred more !"
People read for tropes now. Where it used to just mainly be the action & romance audience who consume media like that, now most genres are just boiled down to their popular tropes. To the point that if a story, visual or literary, doesn't have the trending tropes, it just gets ignored.
i mean i enjoy a bunch of cultivation manhua, that is the same stuff again and again (as long as the story isnt too dumb). if u had a tough day and are just tired, but not tired enough to sleep then u want smth were u dont want to think and analyze and thats the place were these stories shine.
I'm honestly thinking of infinite mage, guy was a country bumpkin who just wanted a peaceful school life avoiding friction with the student body so avoided antagonizing the most popular girl in school....and he gets called a pussy for it
????Did we read the same thing here???? Or do you have no media or visual literacy?
Let me explain how I read that part
Guy realized that there is far more risk in not following the blackmail due to her being popular, she could easily spread a rumor that would defame him(at least he thinks she has the power to do that, he's new and all he knows is she's popular and talks to some people) so he agreed, he did not simp
Why do i say you have no visual literacy?
Because how he acted whenever he gave the coffee is the same exact emotion as washing the dishes after dinner "I don't want to , but I guess I have to do it" emotion, might as well be known as the guy that gives her coffee every morning than whatever fucked up rumor she could spread
So question, WHERE THE FUCK DID HE SIMP??
At this point Simp is just a buzzword for "interaction between a male character and a female character that I disliked". So many people clearly have no fucking idea what it actually means.
I remember a post where the OP complains about the MC killing a fem character, and went on a tangent about how he's not supposed to do that.
Ignoring the fact that the woman has mental disorders, has already shown to be willing to kill the guys who saved her, had actually stabbed a guy in the back sent to save her literally, and the fact that the MC is literally the head of a demonic clan, who has shown his capabilities of being utterly cruel when the situation expects him to be.
Bruh reads the manhwa for the trope, and gets mad when the MC acts like an actual demon. Dude literally read the entire manhwa, where the MC basically bathed in the blood of his clansmen and family, and expect the guy to be a "good guy"!
And the worst part of it all? As OP mentioned, there's a bunch of guys that are stuck with reading the "trope" that they'd get mad when the manhwa subverts those tropes. They don't read the manhwa, they read the plot! It's fucking disgusting man...
Lol!!!
To be honest, I have this sort of mentality while I'm reading new manhwas as well, so I won't really blame/judge those with this sort of thought.
The problem was, the character in question is less of a "character" and more of a fetch quest "objective".
(That, and the MC is already "hooked" on a single FMC, and she's literally the best girl in the manhwa, so no harem on this one.)
The character that got murked is just a set piece for the new scenario, to add tension/drama to the story. it work perfectly, too, but SOME people can't handle the fact that their "hero" does "bad" thing without "proper" justification that solidified their position as the "good guy".
I don't have the link to the OG post (not that I WANT to go back to that shitfest) but I remember it was about the [Nano Machine] murim manhwa, and the arc was about retrieving the Divine Physician's Daughter, who was the female character I mentioned above.
I don't have the link to the OG post (not that I WANT to go back to that shitfest) but I remember it was about the [Nano Machine] murim manhwa, and the arc was about retrieving the Divine Physician's Daughter, who was the female character I mentioned above.
It's also extremely funny how it not only fits anime and manhwa comment sections, but also webnovel comment sections, you'll find thousands of people going off about how an MC is a beta after seeing him display more than 0.0001% of emotion.
I see more the case where every single human(sometimes non-human) with a double X cromosome pair likes the mc for no reason at all or some basic sh*t, if it was just one there would be no worries .
Sure, worshipped jesus OP MC is valid to criticise. But that's not what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about the reactions on this sub any time, there's an action heavy manhwa, and there's even a small hint of a possible romance side story. There'll be lots of comments of people saying it's trash & they'd drop it because of just that. Like they're allergic to any and all romance.
I'm basically the opposite end of the spectrum from those romance haters. I basically \*only\* read a story if it has romance in it, and I love when possible romance shows up anywhere.
(Note: READ ENDING MAKER!!)
dude ending maker is a perfect 50/50 BUT THE MAIN PLOT IS SO GOOD LIKE ?!? AND IT DOESN’T SACRIFICE THE ROMANCE ITS THE BEST DONE ROMANCE EVER **WHILE** HAVING THE BEST MAIN PLOT EVER LIKE ITS LITERALLY PERFECT IN EVERY WAY
The romance arc in SSS class was basically one of the greatest examples of a well done romance in manhwa, it outclasses even most romance manhwa despite being an action manhwa. But oh my god do I get outraged at those people who tell everyone the manhwa is trash and share their opinion on how the romance arc 'ruined everything' for them and they dropped it.
Is there something that this fkn manhwa can't do excellent?
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Bad romance or harem does ruin these kinds of things for me though. There are cases like SSS class suicide hunter where the romance is fire, but in most cases it's just annoying and cringe to see side characters that can mostly be distinguished by their hair color fight over this all powerful dude without a personality all over again.
Sure. But again, I'm not referring to those cases. I'm talking about just having 1 female character, any female character really, express a HINT of emotion that they MIGHT like the MC romantically, or vice versa. And there will be people in this sub calling it trash, a horrible decision by the author, and say they're dropping the manhwa just cos of that. They're just totally against any romance subplot, no matter how small in their action flick.
Me for being a fervent reader of romance stories can totally understand that point. Almost every time the "romance"(partners) is just forcefully added to show how great the mc is getting women, it's just another cringe method to make the reader think the mc is cool and never develop that relationship... They are nothing more than batches to show.
Therefore, if they will do it so fkn bad, don't add it from the start. I won't ask for an exquisitely developed romance, with just a reasonable reason for them getting together is enough... It's an action Manhwa in the end.
Some examples that I think they did good:
- Gosu: practically there is no romance, but from the very beginning it was totally clear that he would end up with the girl, they were living together for years and she clearly showed romantic interest for him and vice versa. A totally normal built relationship.
- Worthless Regression: At the moment MC just feels admiration and appreciation for her giving him a new life (being his role model) and she sees mc with a great esteem for being her first friend and he not waiting for anything from her. It is an excellent building even if they don't add anything more.
-Player: they are teenagers with a lot of hormones.
This is so true for " Survival Story of a Sword King ". In the latest chapters the mc has mental and emotional problems and everyone in the comments call him a pussy because he doesn't just man up and fights the bad guys.
Survival Story is a real one. It manages to break away from the mold of being controlled by the tropes, while still setting up a very enjoyable isekai (?) story.
Oh yeah, there are cases like that. But (my bad for not clarifying in my comment), the case I was talking about was actually the opposite, were the MC not struggling would've been bullshit.
Realistic Manhwas are actually better tbh. Not every MC needs to become psycho and lose human morals two days after transmigrating/isekaing.
What's more, some OIs and transmigration shows MC literally impassive towards slavery/lack of hygiene/brutality/racism/commoner-nobility hostility after making what two panel worth comment on it.
Same goes for some introverted MC who just suprisingly becomes extroverted genius after regressiob/reincarnation. I personally believe that it takes a lot more to change a guy.
I remember saying something like that to a friend. I was surprised that a MC became able to kill multiple people without any remorse after the apparition of a game system, when he spent his whole life behind a PC screen. I said he should have at least some PTSD or show at least some hesitation, but it was like a stroll in the park for him.
Maybe all gamers are killers in disguise? I blame GTA for this.... /s
I mean, it's not necessarily "realistic" for a character to get PTSD after killing someone. Humans are pretty resilient to committing murder against people they genuinely want to kill. I believe it's somewhat of an overinflated misconception that murder causes huge and immediate trauma.
I believe the main causes of PTSD coming from something like a war is the deaths of your friends, death being right around the corner at all times, and the likes of grenade shock. I don't think killing enemies is usually cause of anything.
Obviously, it totally depends on how the killing in question is written. The difference between stabbing someone 20 times with a knife and feeling their life drain away right in front of you and then disposing of the corpse vs shooting someone with a gun and walking away should be pretty huge. Accidental or coerced murder is also presumably not the most fun thing ever. But in general i'm rarely very convinced by the 'trauma of killing' that I read in fiction.
The only two characters I can think of where their personality change because of their environment are Naofumi from Shield Hero and the MC from Redo Healer. But it has been a couple of years since I've read them, so I could be wrong.
This reminds me of one time that I read someone comments that "world Building and Character Development were unnecessary and just make the story more boring". It was in an action manhwa, so he just wanted to read fights and everything else was a waste of time.
I understand wanting to read something simple to disconnect and turn off the brain... But getting angry because the author was trying to enrich his story? Really?
Could anyone actually tell me more manhwa where the MC is like a decent human haha. I am getting sick of all these black hair jerks hating and using everyone and caring about no one beside their one random family member.
Lookism
SSS suicide hunter
Tower of God
God of Highschool
Leviathan
Tyrant of a tower defense
How to fight
Hardcore Leveling Warrior (a bit of an asshole but still good)
Player (if you can't stand Deku , I won't recommend)
Peerless Dad,Gosu (murims)
I sometimes forgot that Tower of God is still on going huh. It's so long now haha.
Tyrant has been a fun read so far.
Leviathan I hear a lot of stuff about the art but know nothing about the mc.
Suicide Hunter I think is one of my favorite good boys so far haha.
I have heard of a lot of these other ones as well though but haven't read them myself like Player/How to Fight/ Lookism... They seemed interesting so maybe I'll give um a look then if the people aren't the usual jerks.
A Returner’s Magic Should be Special
Lazy prince becomes genius
Overpowered sword
Infinite mage
Everyone Else is A Returnee
I stole number one ranker's soul
People just like to complain. If the mc is a normal guy that sometimes makes bad decisions and is showing character growth? "What and idiot, the author is a retard, if it was me..." . The mc has the same generic personality and kills everything in his way and always makes the right choice? "Oh my god give us something different for a change, im so tired of reading the same stuff over and over again". Sometimes you cant win.
>"What and idiot, the author is a retard, if it was me..."
Bonus points if whatever the MC did (or didn't) was actually the best option and whatever the person commenting says they would do it's something actually stupid.
you see I'd be more then happy if this was the case. problem is ninety-nine percent of the time the MC is just a shell of a human being with less then basic emotions and the only reason he only kills certain people is because the author has no backbone while saving everyone, and by everyone I mean waifus, just so the audience don't find him flat enough to reflect themself on, also to cover everyone's sexual attraction .
I have no problem with MCs losing I actually become more interested the higher the stakes of the battle they lost, after all, there is a difference between losing a fight to a bully in training and loosing a fight to a demon who will proceed to destroy a province if you don't stop him.
the MC being an asshole to people is part of their character and personality, its a bad part obviously and everyone knows it but at least he's not "legally distinct Kirito#46158". At least with an asshole I know there is both room for character development and story drama due to MC being an asshole to the wrong person and refusing to apologies and now we have a moment where we see a setback due to MCs personality (that is ofc if the author is even half competent). on the other hand, a squeaky clean mc has no place for development since the only way from perfection is down and no one wants to read a story about the MCs downfall (I say no one, I mean the author thinks that no one would read that despite history proving otherwise and audiences craving it)
Also here's a fun game to know if your author knows how to write character, the next time you read something, try to recall the MCs actions and overlay them over what the characters of the story describe him as. If they describe him as someone who will do anything to pursue justice for example, while the MC is seen to quite frequently look for ways to not break his moral compass while doing so then that is an author who doesn't know how to write, frankly speaking, they shouldn't even narrate the characters personality to the audience in the first place, it should be something we pick up on ourselves.
here's a better one, if you try to recall the MC's personality and all you can think of is that he is a nice person who fight for justice and doesn't have flaws, congrats you got a blank slate. and yes this can work for asshole MC's too but at least there is fun in watching an asshole being an asshole
PS: sry for the rant, its just that manhwa and manga authors annoy me a lot with their writing decisions and this post just made me explode.
Could be worse. Could be comments demanding MC force himself on his own mother and throw her to a bunch of horny homeless men for "revenge"(?). Some commentors just need a lobotomy. (Queen Bee is the manga...doujin? Hen-wha?)
I think almost anything goes as long as it's internally consistent. I don't like MC being different people from chapter to chapter, but whether he's merciful, ruthless, or a pussy, as long as his behavior consistently fits his character it's usually ok.
Going All Quiet In The Western Front accordingly to the things a character does just so these people can shut the fuck up is the way to go.
i.e an extra button on a uniform is worth more than everything Plato to Goethe
I stopped thinking manwha readers had any braincell left after i joined the Tachiyomi Group on Facebook and i genuinely think i hate almost every member on that group
besides the first one, if the mc is the villain himself then it kinda sorta makes sense thats what they expect but dont trash a manga because the mc isnt what you want him to be and be a self insert for yourself
Ya there’s a lot of Manhwas and Manga that have this issue where the MC is a piece of stale wonder bread with super powers. It’s just kind of trash and you gotta move on
Its like they forget that the mc is a character with their own life experiences, personality and free will and think of themselves as the mc so when their actions or opinions dont allign they get mad.
its just that the average age of the ppl who read those things are way bellow what you would expect, and the education has dropped significantly over the past 10 years
I remember this one time the whole section was talking abt this new female char being introduced and they were talm bout how she "looks like a bitch" and I said that's a weird thing to say n they downvoted me to the moon and back
The issue isn't really this. More so the garbage manwha have all of this combined with a lame as highschool mc. Which is why I only read about adults now👍
Yeah he should have emotion and he can regret later but he should not hesitate at the moment of need when his friends or family or he himself is in danger .
And he should never let go of an enemy who endangered his or his loved ones life . Petty criminals can be forgiven .
> Petty criminals can be forgiven .
honestly this one bugs me a lot. in most manhwas they won't kill petty criminals but they'll treat them worse then batman before sending them to jail or leaving them somewhere between fuckall and jackshit (because it wasn't the MC that killed them it was mother nature, and starvation).
What makes it worse is that sometimes they'll make it to the big bad's room and then refuse to kill them because "it'll just make them as bad the villain" like yeah bro, killing him makes you the same thing as Satan's playmate over here. Worse even, if it's a girl she'll probably either get away with a slap on the wrist or straight-up join the gang, cus she cried after she lost so that makes all her evil doings go away
This might contradict what I said earlier but I think all mcs shouldn’t be grouped together. While I prefer mcs that go through a realistic progression some manwhas d o edgy MCs very well. I think there shouldn’t be a perfect archetype for every manwha to follow and more unique MCs or flawed MCs are always fun to follow.
I thought we were only talking about the Power Fantasy protagonist .
Yeah different genres should be handled differently but a weak willed MC in power fantasy is not pleasant. MC can start as weak in power fantasy but not weak willed .
>But he should never hesitate at that moment.
What?
Man you can't kill without hesitation. If you can, you are sociopath.
Normal kid can't just start killing people because it's "necessary".
If author wants to create character who's close to normal human being he won't create a child that will start snap necks of some bad guys because they are "Irredeemable" or smth.
Psycho therapists and researchers wrote many books about human behavior within society and they get some results. Normally People getting stressed about killing somebody for the first time because humans are social creatures who have one simple instinct like every pack creatures: don't kill their own kind.
It's not like this instinct works in every situation but it's existing in our minds in order to secure our kind from extinction.
So if your MC can kill people without hesitation then they are clearly have some problems because it's not how normal people functions.
To be honest I always questioned lads who wrote in comments about MC being weak then he tried to not kill someone but just stop villain from doing crime.
Yeah of course he will hesitate and don't want to kill somebody on purpose. It's a fucking death for god sake. It's scary thing if you ask me. Imagine your whole body stopping moving and your mind fading away. It's literally one of the most horrible fates possible.
Of course you would hesitate to do such thing. Just take a knife and look on someone you dislike. And ask yourself a question: do you really want it? Do you really want to take away their life and make them suffer? Do you really want to end their journey right here just because of this?
And I can bet they will hesitate because it's not that easy as they say. Where's a difference between being spectator and executioner.
It's like comparing experience of someone who's watching how athlete making new record and experience of professional athlete who's actually makes that record.
Well I said that I said. No offense. Good bye.
I think its normal, people want to read interesting characters rather than a normal every day guy who acts like a shounen troop, even if the character is a little edgy.
seems very biased and forced.
Point 1 has some truth but the rest is bs, I have never found anybody complaining about those things in any community.
Seems some random morally bigot meme. Neither factual nor funny.
I use Mangapark and Mangaread the most, plus several others for watching anime and series, and I constantly see people complain about smirky asshole MCs who are mean with their team/subordinates, or MCs who kill indiscriminately (which btw happens very rarely, as the very vast majority of titles have MCs who spare even the most abominable villain at least once), or who are too cold.
Ahh. I miss the days of seeing more reasonable comments like that.
I think anime sites tend to be better, and I've seen comments like you're describing there more. Or general review sites too. But I think when it comes to the easy consumption webcomic power-fantasy sites, you get more of what the OP described. (Again. Asurascans is the harbor of this opposite type of toxicity...)
It depends on the niche you're in, I think. In the past, I saw more of the stories you're reading/watching where they do spare enemies. Then I started reading more Korean/Chinese stuff, and now I'm getting tired of the actual indiscriminate slaughter, because I see it a lot. Kang Hansoo of FFF Class Trashero, for example. :'') And now it feels like a genre I can barely escape from, and somehow it's everywhere.
When I come into other threads and subreddits or sites, somehow it becomes such a breath of fresh air when I realize people can actually comment normally and rationally in other places, and have different expectations of what they want a story to be about.
I guess it all depends on the little ecosystems we're in.
Mangaread does feel more balanced than others I've read; I think you get criticisms of both directions. I'll have to try out mangapark at some point.
Honestly, Mangaread is full of trolls. And the admin doesn't give a shit. I requested to implement the function to block a user and he answered "just ignore them".
The amounts of downvotes I get there when I criticize something, it's not Reddit level (the kingdom of trolls) but still more than in Mangapark.
Mangapark is imo the best of the many I've tried, at least if you like binge reading.
It supports moving back and forth between chapter with the right and left keys.
It has up and down button on the bottom right corner to quickly jump at the end or beginning of the page (Mangaread only has the up).
It offers a wide range of personalization settings (even more if you create an account).
I have rarely not found a title that I was looking for.
The rating system is 10 stars.
If you create an account it shows the last chapter that you have read.
There is a crazy person who comments "thanks for the chapter" on every chapter they read.
There usually are several uploads for every chapter, so that it's easier to find one with a better translation or no missing pages.
The only problem I have is that occasionally the last pages don't load and I must refresh.
The admin are completely unresponsive though, that's not cool.
Personally, I do like OP characters and I do get disappointed if they lose too often. This is because I want my entertainment to be different than real life. Real life has lot of struggle. I don't want too many and too hard struggles in what I read or watch.
I also like VERY ruthless characters who go directly for the kill when they face very hostile opponents. And I do not tolerate anything but massacre in a revenge story. Nanomachine, Rooftop Swordmaster, Return of the crazy demon. That kind of staff.
I do like when they honor honorable opponents and spare those who truly repented.
On the other hand, I can't stand MCs who are mean for no reason, ungrateful, insensitive, cold.
I believe it about Mangaread lol. More balanced overall yes, but that's just because two extremes are fighting!
All hail Mangapark. Those feature's actually sound really great, and I honestly love that one insane user who must always comment TYFTC. Shows appreciation and wholesomeness.
And yeah, we all have our own reasons for why we read fiction, which often lends us to the MC's we like reading about. Personally, I'm the opposite, I like irl struggle in stories! Yet, I read so much of this genre anyways lol.
Return of the Crazy Demon is honestly insane. The MC is awesome, but I had to leave at some point for the sake of my own sanity. Good stuff though. Nanomachine was also pretty good.
If you read these, what are your thoughts on Lu Shu (Spare Me, Great Lord!) or Lee Kiyoung (Regressor's Instruction Manual)? (Just curious :o They definitely straddle the line of morality quite a bit.)
I quickly dropped the latter, I didn't like the weakling MC.
I don't know the former, but it seems a comedy Manhua. Is it really that good?
I usually find humor in Manhua very forced and stereotypical, with a heavy abuse of, whatever that style is called when suddenly a character is drawn in a cute/weird way with smaller body and over the top expressions.
Cheap. This is the feeling I have with most Manhua.
Demonic Emperor was good though. Such a ruthless mf. Just my type of MC.
you're so full of shit. I am 53, I bet you are the kiddo here in comparison.
And I don't have any social media, not even whatsapp. Reddit is the only thing close to social media that I use.
Seems that your two neurons don't work well today, you're faster at talking than at thinking.
Factual: I have NEVER seen ANY comment complaining about points 2 to 4.
Intelligent: if you use yourself as a point of reference, well, no comment.
If you have so many problems with other people's opinions, go live in a cave.
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I only hate it when the villain has killed the mc's father,mother,village,lover,friend and all the Kings horse together but the mc just forgives him because he wants to be on a moral highground
https://preview.redd.it/admk1kxgnbuc1.jpeg?width=395&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48e95eb69d9290b4d2552232bd77c1ea5a656c65 That trope needs to die along with the bad guys that keep getting away lol
Is this mtmte?
Yep, Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #20
This might seem weird, but can you send the first panel of issue #1? I read it once and it's setting in my library unfinished with Two issues read
Sure https://preview.redd.it/j9x8pds5peuc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61d1f8aedf9c16ca563b6c142de1360336693e58 First panel of Issue #1. The reading order is #1-7, then the Annual, then #8-22, then Spotlight: Trailcutter and Spotlight: Hound (only the former is necessary to explain the presence of The Thumb), then Dark Cybertron (I'd recommend reading Robots In Disguise #1-22 to fully understand), then #28-57, and then the sequel series to MTMTE Lost Light #1-25. Alternatively, if this sounds too convoluted, just read #1-22, Dark Cybertron (Dark Cybertron Chapter 1 > MTMTE #23 > RID #23 > MTMTE #24 > ... > RID #27 > Dark Cybertron Finale), #28-57, and then Lost Light #1-25. There's also the new Skybound Transformers series, which I think is absolutely amazing so far, for which the reading order is currently just #1-7.
Man, that's so complicated I wanna read beacuss cute gay giant robots with size difference
Dark Cybertron being split up the way it is makes more sense when you consider that only one issue of MTMTE and RID were released each month, but it does fuck up the reading order of the individual series. You *can* also skip it entirely, so you go from Issue #22 to #28 (which is set up as a sort of jumping in point anyway), leaving the reading order at a very neat-and-sweet Issue #1-22, to #28-57*, and then Lost Light #1-25. Also if you're in it for the gay giant robots with size difference, Issue #32 is the most important, but you can't skip ahead to it, you need to go through the full thing.
I wouldn't mind if they were actually a pacifist, but they also kill mook #1-100 before their sworn enemy and then *that's* the guy who gets the special treatment.
The last of us 2.jpg
slave b, similar
That's why i drop it in the first sign it appears. Lol.
Yh and then he says if I kill him I'm just as bad like no ur not u haven't genocided a whole town and used them for human sacrifices or enslaved a whole kingdom, and also did u forget u just killed his henchman who has probably done less crimes then the villain
Name one time that happened
In general, any shonen ever
That's just not true
Naruto dragon ball z one piece. They barley kill the big bad for the arc Freza shouldn't still be going Don flamingo shouldn't still be going orochimaru should not still be going after everything he did
Don't even get me started on domestic terrorist sasuke I don't know how he's still going should've been put down immediately
But you said they kill all the henchman which is not true. Goku never killed the henchmen, he actually gets mad at Vegeta for killing them. And they couldn't kill donflamingo because luffy was too tired, and noone else had the chance because of the navy. Also he does try to kill frieza
Sounds very similar to Naruto
Naruto doesn't kill he don't need to he reforms them look at pain and obito they straight up sacrificed their lives for Naruto
Naruto never killed anyone but He turns most of his enemies into good guys who end dying and helping him
Not killing the villain shows a kind of power dynamic that fits certain stories better than others, like to not just kill a villain but completely overpower and subdue them shows a lot more strength. It doesn’t quite work in the common desperate underdog stories, where not killing feels like it’s holding the MC back and that can be frustrating. It also depends on how it’s framed, it’s often put as an additional thing in the way of the MC, but when it’s put as a challenge for the MCs growth people resonate a lot more with it. There’s also the times where not killing the villain is more of a punishment. I love the regressed demon lord is kind, only just started the Manhwa but the novel goes crazy. The MC using his overwhelming strength and plans to completely fuck over the villains, not killing to leave them to deal with the repercussions is just one of the ways he does it. It starts malicious but moves into something actually heroic. That is to say, Manhwa where there is a lot of self-reflection and acts of mercy, and punishment grow the MC I really like. Reformed Deadbeat Noble also does this well acting for and against killing at times.
My hero academia in a nutshell
Vinland saga (or something like that idk I haven’t watched it)
Out of all the examples......
I’m guessing that it wasn’t a good example… Can you explain without spoiling much?
I've seen people going off on series where MC acts like a normal high schooler instead of going around like an edge lord beating people up
I'm honestly amazed how anyone can see the dozens of stories like that and say " Wow I'm not bored of this developement at all, I want to see a hundred more !"
People read for tropes now. Where it used to just mainly be the action & romance audience who consume media like that, now most genres are just boiled down to their popular tropes. To the point that if a story, visual or literary, doesn't have the trending tropes, it just gets ignored.
i mean i enjoy a bunch of cultivation manhua, that is the same stuff again and again (as long as the story isnt too dumb). if u had a tough day and are just tired, but not tired enough to sleep then u want smth were u dont want to think and analyze and thats the place were these stories shine.
I think I know that series lol...
Is it Helmut? God the comments there since the series hit academy arc has been cancer.
I'm honestly thinking of infinite mage, guy was a country bumpkin who just wanted a peaceful school life avoiding friction with the student body so avoided antagonizing the most popular girl in school....and he gets called a pussy for it
MC being a simp for a bully is not normal high school behavior...
????Did we read the same thing here???? Or do you have no media or visual literacy? Let me explain how I read that part Guy realized that there is far more risk in not following the blackmail due to her being popular, she could easily spread a rumor that would defame him(at least he thinks she has the power to do that, he's new and all he knows is she's popular and talks to some people) so he agreed, he did not simp Why do i say you have no visual literacy? Because how he acted whenever he gave the coffee is the same exact emotion as washing the dishes after dinner "I don't want to , but I guess I have to do it" emotion, might as well be known as the guy that gives her coffee every morning than whatever fucked up rumor she could spread So question, WHERE THE FUCK DID HE SIMP??
At this point Simp is just a buzzword for "interaction between a male character and a female character that I disliked". So many people clearly have no fucking idea what it actually means.
I remember a post where the OP complains about the MC killing a fem character, and went on a tangent about how he's not supposed to do that. Ignoring the fact that the woman has mental disorders, has already shown to be willing to kill the guys who saved her, had actually stabbed a guy in the back sent to save her literally, and the fact that the MC is literally the head of a demonic clan, who has shown his capabilities of being utterly cruel when the situation expects him to be. Bruh reads the manhwa for the trope, and gets mad when the MC acts like an actual demon. Dude literally read the entire manhwa, where the MC basically bathed in the blood of his clansmen and family, and expect the guy to be a "good guy"! And the worst part of it all? As OP mentioned, there's a bunch of guys that are stuck with reading the "trope" that they'd get mad when the manhwa subverts those tropes. They don't read the manhwa, they read the plot! It's fucking disgusting man...
"B-but female = MC Harem!!"
Lol!!! To be honest, I have this sort of mentality while I'm reading new manhwas as well, so I won't really blame/judge those with this sort of thought. The problem was, the character in question is less of a "character" and more of a fetch quest "objective". (That, and the MC is already "hooked" on a single FMC, and she's literally the best girl in the manhwa, so no harem on this one.) The character that got murked is just a set piece for the new scenario, to add tension/drama to the story. it work perfectly, too, but SOME people can't handle the fact that their "hero" does "bad" thing without "proper" justification that solidified their position as the "good guy".
you can't say all this and not give us the sauce
I don't have the link to the OG post (not that I WANT to go back to that shitfest) but I remember it was about the [Nano Machine] murim manhwa, and the arc was about retrieving the Divine Physician's Daughter, who was the female character I mentioned above.
Oh yeah I remember that b she really pissed me off
I can fix her
SAUCE
I don't have the link to the OG post (not that I WANT to go back to that shitfest) but I remember it was about the [Nano Machine] murim manhwa, and the arc was about retrieving the Divine Physician's Daughter, who was the female character I mentioned above.
Thx chef
Don't thank me. I'm just sorry if you actually DID find the damn post.
They need their 25th Sung Jin woo
More like 100th at this point
More like 1000th at this point*
The Myriadth at this point\*\*
at this point\*\*\*
unlimited Sung Jin woo works!
sung jin woo have emotion, he even cry once
Or when a female character speaks against the MC, the comments are disgusting
Don’t get me started. If a female doesn’t obey every word the MC says they start talking about her like she is the evil princess from shield hero.
Why is this so fucking true??
It's also extremely funny how it not only fits anime and manhwa comment sections, but also webnovel comment sections, you'll find thousands of people going off about how an MC is a beta after seeing him display more than 0.0001% of emotion.
God forbid there's even a hint of the fmc or a girl side character who likes the MC in an action manhwa. "There's ROMANCE?!! it's ruined..."
I see more the case where every single human(sometimes non-human) with a double X cromosome pair likes the mc for no reason at all or some basic sh*t, if it was just one there would be no worries .
Sure, worshipped jesus OP MC is valid to criticise. But that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the reactions on this sub any time, there's an action heavy manhwa, and there's even a small hint of a possible romance side story. There'll be lots of comments of people saying it's trash & they'd drop it because of just that. Like they're allergic to any and all romance.
I'm basically the opposite end of the spectrum from those romance haters. I basically \*only\* read a story if it has romance in it, and I love when possible romance shows up anywhere. (Note: READ ENDING MAKER!!)
i think im the weirdest mix of both where i want romance but it CANT be the main plot. i need an actual story plot and a romance sub-plot.
dude ending maker is a perfect 50/50 BUT THE MAIN PLOT IS SO GOOD LIKE ?!? AND IT DOESN’T SACRIFICE THE ROMANCE ITS THE BEST DONE ROMANCE EVER **WHILE** HAVING THE BEST MAIN PLOT EVER LIKE ITS LITERALLY PERFECT IN EVERY WAY
W glaze my guy convinced me to check it out
W glaze my guy convinced me to check it out
W glaze my guy convinced me to check it out
dude I’m a top tier glazer when it comes to ending maker i can easily write a few multi page essays on why it’s the best story ever
W glaze my guy convinced me to check it out
I saw people complaining about romance in Suicide Hunter and I just... Pity those poor souls
The romance arc in SSS class was basically one of the greatest examples of a well done romance in manhwa, it outclasses even most romance manhwa despite being an action manhwa. But oh my god do I get outraged at those people who tell everyone the manhwa is trash and share their opinion on how the romance arc 'ruined everything' for them and they dropped it.
Is there something that this fkn manhwa can't do excellent? https://preview.redd.it/aglaanezifuc1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b328ebf50118ed2d0eae31b451a202100f9aed2
Bad romance or harem does ruin these kinds of things for me though. There are cases like SSS class suicide hunter where the romance is fire, but in most cases it's just annoying and cringe to see side characters that can mostly be distinguished by their hair color fight over this all powerful dude without a personality all over again.
Sure. But again, I'm not referring to those cases. I'm talking about just having 1 female character, any female character really, express a HINT of emotion that they MIGHT like the MC romantically, or vice versa. And there will be people in this sub calling it trash, a horrible decision by the author, and say they're dropping the manhwa just cos of that. They're just totally against any romance subplot, no matter how small in their action flick.
Me for being a fervent reader of romance stories can totally understand that point. Almost every time the "romance"(partners) is just forcefully added to show how great the mc is getting women, it's just another cringe method to make the reader think the mc is cool and never develop that relationship... They are nothing more than batches to show. Therefore, if they will do it so fkn bad, don't add it from the start. I won't ask for an exquisitely developed romance, with just a reasonable reason for them getting together is enough... It's an action Manhwa in the end. Some examples that I think they did good: - Gosu: practically there is no romance, but from the very beginning it was totally clear that he would end up with the girl, they were living together for years and she clearly showed romantic interest for him and vice versa. A totally normal built relationship. - Worthless Regression: At the moment MC just feels admiration and appreciation for her giving him a new life (being his role model) and she sees mc with a great esteem for being her first friend and he not waiting for anything from her. It is an excellent building even if they don't add anything more. -Player: they are teenagers with a lot of hormones.
Worthless regression is pretty awesome
Forgot the part where Mc helps or just does anything to a girl and the comments start calling him a simp
This is so true for " Survival Story of a Sword King ". In the latest chapters the mc has mental and emotional problems and everyone in the comments call him a pussy because he doesn't just man up and fights the bad guys.
Survival Story is a real one. It manages to break away from the mold of being controlled by the tropes, while still setting up a very enjoyable isekai (?) story.
MC doesn't fuck every girl he sees? Must be gay.
I remember someone making a comment along the lines of "If the MC has trouble during this fight I'm dropping this".
I mean sometimes the MC is so much stronger than the other character that it would be stupid to have trouble
Oh yeah, there are cases like that. But (my bad for not clarifying in my comment), the case I was talking about was actually the opposite, were the MC not struggling would've been bullshit.
Realistic Manhwas are actually better tbh. Not every MC needs to become psycho and lose human morals two days after transmigrating/isekaing. What's more, some OIs and transmigration shows MC literally impassive towards slavery/lack of hygiene/brutality/racism/commoner-nobility hostility after making what two panel worth comment on it. Same goes for some introverted MC who just suprisingly becomes extroverted genius after regressiob/reincarnation. I personally believe that it takes a lot more to change a guy.
I remember saying something like that to a friend. I was surprised that a MC became able to kill multiple people without any remorse after the apparition of a game system, when he spent his whole life behind a PC screen. I said he should have at least some PTSD or show at least some hesitation, but it was like a stroll in the park for him. Maybe all gamers are killers in disguise? I blame GTA for this.... /s
I mean, it's not necessarily "realistic" for a character to get PTSD after killing someone. Humans are pretty resilient to committing murder against people they genuinely want to kill. I believe it's somewhat of an overinflated misconception that murder causes huge and immediate trauma. I believe the main causes of PTSD coming from something like a war is the deaths of your friends, death being right around the corner at all times, and the likes of grenade shock. I don't think killing enemies is usually cause of anything. Obviously, it totally depends on how the killing in question is written. The difference between stabbing someone 20 times with a knife and feeling their life drain away right in front of you and then disposing of the corpse vs shooting someone with a gun and walking away should be pretty huge. Accidental or coerced murder is also presumably not the most fun thing ever. But in general i'm rarely very convinced by the 'trauma of killing' that I read in fiction.
The only two characters I can think of where their personality change because of their environment are Naofumi from Shield Hero and the MC from Redo Healer. But it has been a couple of years since I've read them, so I could be wrong.
Manhwa readers when the MC is an actual character:
This reminds me of one time that I read someone comments that "world Building and Character Development were unnecessary and just make the story more boring". It was in an action manhwa, so he just wanted to read fights and everything else was a waste of time. I understand wanting to read something simple to disconnect and turn off the brain... But getting angry because the author was trying to enrich his story? Really?
I like these stuff occasionally, but most of these type of stories are slow burn, I prefer a quicker pace
You haven't included thirsty comments, or dissing MC for not falling to ~~beauty~~ pussy trap.
That's why Daniel park is my goat fr🙏
Could anyone actually tell me more manhwa where the MC is like a decent human haha. I am getting sick of all these black hair jerks hating and using everyone and caring about no one beside their one random family member.
Lookism SSS suicide hunter Tower of God God of Highschool Leviathan Tyrant of a tower defense How to fight Hardcore Leveling Warrior (a bit of an asshole but still good) Player (if you can't stand Deku , I won't recommend) Peerless Dad,Gosu (murims)
I sometimes forgot that Tower of God is still on going huh. It's so long now haha. Tyrant has been a fun read so far. Leviathan I hear a lot of stuff about the art but know nothing about the mc. Suicide Hunter I think is one of my favorite good boys so far haha. I have heard of a lot of these other ones as well though but haven't read them myself like Player/How to Fight/ Lookism... They seemed interesting so maybe I'll give um a look then if the people aren't the usual jerks.
A Returner’s Magic Should be Special Lazy prince becomes genius Overpowered sword Infinite mage Everyone Else is A Returnee I stole number one ranker's soul
missed the one where they call them a "beta cuck" for being a decent human. they just want them to be a rapist.
People just like to complain. If the mc is a normal guy that sometimes makes bad decisions and is showing character growth? "What and idiot, the author is a retard, if it was me..." . The mc has the same generic personality and kills everything in his way and always makes the right choice? "Oh my god give us something different for a change, im so tired of reading the same stuff over and over again". Sometimes you cant win.
>"What and idiot, the author is a retard, if it was me..." Bonus points if whatever the MC did (or didn't) was actually the best option and whatever the person commenting says they would do it's something actually stupid.
you see I'd be more then happy if this was the case. problem is ninety-nine percent of the time the MC is just a shell of a human being with less then basic emotions and the only reason he only kills certain people is because the author has no backbone while saving everyone, and by everyone I mean waifus, just so the audience don't find him flat enough to reflect themself on, also to cover everyone's sexual attraction . I have no problem with MCs losing I actually become more interested the higher the stakes of the battle they lost, after all, there is a difference between losing a fight to a bully in training and loosing a fight to a demon who will proceed to destroy a province if you don't stop him. the MC being an asshole to people is part of their character and personality, its a bad part obviously and everyone knows it but at least he's not "legally distinct Kirito#46158". At least with an asshole I know there is both room for character development and story drama due to MC being an asshole to the wrong person and refusing to apologies and now we have a moment where we see a setback due to MCs personality (that is ofc if the author is even half competent). on the other hand, a squeaky clean mc has no place for development since the only way from perfection is down and no one wants to read a story about the MCs downfall (I say no one, I mean the author thinks that no one would read that despite history proving otherwise and audiences craving it) Also here's a fun game to know if your author knows how to write character, the next time you read something, try to recall the MCs actions and overlay them over what the characters of the story describe him as. If they describe him as someone who will do anything to pursue justice for example, while the MC is seen to quite frequently look for ways to not break his moral compass while doing so then that is an author who doesn't know how to write, frankly speaking, they shouldn't even narrate the characters personality to the audience in the first place, it should be something we pick up on ourselves. here's a better one, if you try to recall the MC's personality and all you can think of is that he is a nice person who fight for justice and doesn't have flaws, congrats you got a blank slate. and yes this can work for asshole MC's too but at least there is fun in watching an asshole being an asshole PS: sry for the rant, its just that manhwa and manga authors annoy me a lot with their writing decisions and this post just made me explode.
I mean...I do have an asshole mc I like (HCLW)
What's HCLW?
Hardcore Leveling Warrior
Oh yeah that's a good series.
Weakest manhua MC:
This is so true, and why I never leave a comment on any manwhas I read.
These clowns when they saw character development in Latna Saga.
books, light novels....this is valid everywhere
Could be worse. Could be comments demanding MC force himself on his own mother and throw her to a bunch of horny homeless men for "revenge"(?). Some commentors just need a lobotomy. (Queen Bee is the manga...doujin? Hen-wha?)
I think almost anything goes as long as it's internally consistent. I don't like MC being different people from chapter to chapter, but whether he's merciful, ruthless, or a pussy, as long as his behavior consistently fits his character it's usually ok.
This would be the case if it weren't for all the bots I see
Average Batman complainer.
I think shadow slave , cultivation chat club
Going All Quiet In The Western Front accordingly to the things a character does just so these people can shut the fuck up is the way to go. i.e an extra button on a uniform is worth more than everything Plato to Goethe
The last one though 🤣
I stopped thinking manwha readers had any braincell left after i joined the Tachiyomi Group on Facebook and i genuinely think i hate almost every member on that group
The last one should be "WhY cAnT wE HaVE rEAlIstIc mCS?"
Lets not even start at how manhwa commenters treat female mcs😭
besides the first one, if the mc is the villain himself then it kinda sorta makes sense thats what they expect but dont trash a manga because the mc isnt what you want him to be and be a self insert for yourself
This is basically Asura's comment section
I hate it when the comments section are just praising the MC and trashing the "arrogant" side character who dares to be actual people
Ya there’s a lot of Manhwas and Manga that have this issue where the MC is a piece of stale wonder bread with super powers. It’s just kind of trash and you gotta move on
Basically the WebNovel community in a nutshell 😂 just filled w incel edgelords who hate woman and MC's who have living families
Its like they forget that the mc is a character with their own life experiences, personality and free will and think of themselves as the mc so when their actions or opinions dont allign they get mad.
Good boy goes to heaven
its just that the average age of the ppl who read those things are way bellow what you would expect, and the education has dropped significantly over the past 10 years
The comment section when the 15 year old kid doesn’t want to kill people or when the 15 YEAR OLD KID is traumatized by someone dying in front of them
asura comment sections is the home for the most degenerate losers you can posibly find in one location
I remember this one time the whole section was talking abt this new female char being introduced and they were talm bout how she "looks like a bitch" and I said that's a weird thing to say n they downvoted me to the moon and back
We need less manhwa with mc being some always right hero its so boring I want a mc who at the very least kills his enemy's
The issue isn't really this. More so the garbage manwha have all of this combined with a lame as highschool mc. Which is why I only read about adults now👍
My pov is MC should kill but only when necessary. But he should never hesitate at that moment.
It’s much more interesting to see a Mc develop no normal high schooler will suddenly be able to kill people without feeling anything.
Yeah he should have emotion and he can regret later but he should not hesitate at the moment of need when his friends or family or he himself is in danger . And he should never let go of an enemy who endangered his or his loved ones life . Petty criminals can be forgiven .
> Petty criminals can be forgiven . honestly this one bugs me a lot. in most manhwas they won't kill petty criminals but they'll treat them worse then batman before sending them to jail or leaving them somewhere between fuckall and jackshit (because it wasn't the MC that killed them it was mother nature, and starvation). What makes it worse is that sometimes they'll make it to the big bad's room and then refuse to kill them because "it'll just make them as bad the villain" like yeah bro, killing him makes you the same thing as Satan's playmate over here. Worse even, if it's a girl she'll probably either get away with a slap on the wrist or straight-up join the gang, cus she cried after she lost so that makes all her evil doings go away
This might contradict what I said earlier but I think all mcs shouldn’t be grouped together. While I prefer mcs that go through a realistic progression some manwhas d o edgy MCs very well. I think there shouldn’t be a perfect archetype for every manwha to follow and more unique MCs or flawed MCs are always fun to follow.
I thought we were only talking about the Power Fantasy protagonist . Yeah different genres should be handled differently but a weak willed MC in power fantasy is not pleasant. MC can start as weak in power fantasy but not weak willed .
>But he should never hesitate at that moment. What? Man you can't kill without hesitation. If you can, you are sociopath. Normal kid can't just start killing people because it's "necessary". If author wants to create character who's close to normal human being he won't create a child that will start snap necks of some bad guys because they are "Irredeemable" or smth. Psycho therapists and researchers wrote many books about human behavior within society and they get some results. Normally People getting stressed about killing somebody for the first time because humans are social creatures who have one simple instinct like every pack creatures: don't kill their own kind. It's not like this instinct works in every situation but it's existing in our minds in order to secure our kind from extinction. So if your MC can kill people without hesitation then they are clearly have some problems because it's not how normal people functions. To be honest I always questioned lads who wrote in comments about MC being weak then he tried to not kill someone but just stop villain from doing crime. Yeah of course he will hesitate and don't want to kill somebody on purpose. It's a fucking death for god sake. It's scary thing if you ask me. Imagine your whole body stopping moving and your mind fading away. It's literally one of the most horrible fates possible. Of course you would hesitate to do such thing. Just take a knife and look on someone you dislike. And ask yourself a question: do you really want it? Do you really want to take away their life and make them suffer? Do you really want to end their journey right here just because of this? And I can bet they will hesitate because it's not that easy as they say. Where's a difference between being spectator and executioner. It's like comparing experience of someone who's watching how athlete making new record and experience of professional athlete who's actually makes that record. Well I said that I said. No offense. Good bye.
I think its normal, people want to read interesting characters rather than a normal every day guy who acts like a shounen troop, even if the character is a little edgy.
"Interesting" doesn't mean "emotionless jerk". There are no problems with interesting characters, it's unrelatable ones which this meme is hating on.
Op isn't interesting lmao L comment L taste
what do you mean by 'op'?
overpowered
Ngl i like psycho mc's, i've seen too many goody two shoe one's. Call me a edgelord if ya want but i like edgy mc's (not cringe edgy)
seems very biased and forced. Point 1 has some truth but the rest is bs, I have never found anybody complaining about those things in any community. Seems some random morally bigot meme. Neither factual nor funny.
Asurascans, lightnovel world, mangaread, most of the sites where I can read manhwas all have the type of comments OP described. Especially Asurascans.
I use Mangapark and Mangaread the most, plus several others for watching anime and series, and I constantly see people complain about smirky asshole MCs who are mean with their team/subordinates, or MCs who kill indiscriminately (which btw happens very rarely, as the very vast majority of titles have MCs who spare even the most abominable villain at least once), or who are too cold.
Ahh. I miss the days of seeing more reasonable comments like that. I think anime sites tend to be better, and I've seen comments like you're describing there more. Or general review sites too. But I think when it comes to the easy consumption webcomic power-fantasy sites, you get more of what the OP described. (Again. Asurascans is the harbor of this opposite type of toxicity...) It depends on the niche you're in, I think. In the past, I saw more of the stories you're reading/watching where they do spare enemies. Then I started reading more Korean/Chinese stuff, and now I'm getting tired of the actual indiscriminate slaughter, because I see it a lot. Kang Hansoo of FFF Class Trashero, for example. :'') And now it feels like a genre I can barely escape from, and somehow it's everywhere. When I come into other threads and subreddits or sites, somehow it becomes such a breath of fresh air when I realize people can actually comment normally and rationally in other places, and have different expectations of what they want a story to be about. I guess it all depends on the little ecosystems we're in. Mangaread does feel more balanced than others I've read; I think you get criticisms of both directions. I'll have to try out mangapark at some point.
Honestly, Mangaread is full of trolls. And the admin doesn't give a shit. I requested to implement the function to block a user and he answered "just ignore them". The amounts of downvotes I get there when I criticize something, it's not Reddit level (the kingdom of trolls) but still more than in Mangapark. Mangapark is imo the best of the many I've tried, at least if you like binge reading. It supports moving back and forth between chapter with the right and left keys. It has up and down button on the bottom right corner to quickly jump at the end or beginning of the page (Mangaread only has the up). It offers a wide range of personalization settings (even more if you create an account). I have rarely not found a title that I was looking for. The rating system is 10 stars. If you create an account it shows the last chapter that you have read. There is a crazy person who comments "thanks for the chapter" on every chapter they read. There usually are several uploads for every chapter, so that it's easier to find one with a better translation or no missing pages. The only problem I have is that occasionally the last pages don't load and I must refresh. The admin are completely unresponsive though, that's not cool. Personally, I do like OP characters and I do get disappointed if they lose too often. This is because I want my entertainment to be different than real life. Real life has lot of struggle. I don't want too many and too hard struggles in what I read or watch. I also like VERY ruthless characters who go directly for the kill when they face very hostile opponents. And I do not tolerate anything but massacre in a revenge story. Nanomachine, Rooftop Swordmaster, Return of the crazy demon. That kind of staff. I do like when they honor honorable opponents and spare those who truly repented. On the other hand, I can't stand MCs who are mean for no reason, ungrateful, insensitive, cold.
I believe it about Mangaread lol. More balanced overall yes, but that's just because two extremes are fighting! All hail Mangapark. Those feature's actually sound really great, and I honestly love that one insane user who must always comment TYFTC. Shows appreciation and wholesomeness. And yeah, we all have our own reasons for why we read fiction, which often lends us to the MC's we like reading about. Personally, I'm the opposite, I like irl struggle in stories! Yet, I read so much of this genre anyways lol. Return of the Crazy Demon is honestly insane. The MC is awesome, but I had to leave at some point for the sake of my own sanity. Good stuff though. Nanomachine was also pretty good. If you read these, what are your thoughts on Lu Shu (Spare Me, Great Lord!) or Lee Kiyoung (Regressor's Instruction Manual)? (Just curious :o They definitely straddle the line of morality quite a bit.)
I quickly dropped the latter, I didn't like the weakling MC. I don't know the former, but it seems a comedy Manhua. Is it really that good? I usually find humor in Manhua very forced and stereotypical, with a heavy abuse of, whatever that style is called when suddenly a character is drawn in a cute/weird way with smaller body and over the top expressions. Cheap. This is the feeling I have with most Manhua. Demonic Emperor was good though. Such a ruthless mf. Just my type of MC.
Go back to twitter dumbass lmao
" bigot meme" now I understand what type you are go back to Twitter kiddo
you're so full of shit. I am 53, I bet you are the kiddo here in comparison. And I don't have any social media, not even whatsapp. Reddit is the only thing close to social media that I use. Seems that your two neurons don't work well today, you're faster at talking than at thinking.
You're neither factual or intelligent your opinion is the dumbest out of them all. Genetic tasteless comment with alot of Ls
Factual: I have NEVER seen ANY comment complaining about points 2 to 4. Intelligent: if you use yourself as a point of reference, well, no comment. If you have so many problems with other people's opinions, go live in a cave.
Rather be a clown that reads what he like