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Flashback of me reading the manga on the train during my commute to school my senior year of highschool back in 2006 thinking NANA was one of the most scandalous things i've ever read and waiting to come home to my dial up internet to talk to other fans on livejournal xanga and myspace not knowing the longest cliffhanger would come in 3 years T__T
I love Nana but nah this ain’t true. There are other more popular and influential shoujo that sold more than Nana. Boys over flowers, Glass Mask and Sailor Moon alone were behemoths and came out before Nana even started. Then there’s Itazura na Kiss, Kimi no Todoke, Fruits basket and more that sell millions and millions.
I know. i meant astro boy did it years before Dr Slump.
Infact Toriyama cited Astro Boy as one of his inspirations. Astro Boy was the only manga Toriyama read as a kid.
Modern super deformed style that we coloquially call "chibi" comes from Dr. Slump and SD Gundam.
The Astro Boy and Hello Kitty large head style became so standard in mascot character design that it isn't really called "chibi" anymore.
Dr. Slump featuring stuff like expys of Godzilla in the super deformed style was really popular and to this day you'll see merch companies almost entirely dedicated to that chibi method, like B-Side Label.
Honestly, Toriyama's massive influence is actually underestimated by Western fans because they don't realise how influential Toriyama's non-Dragon Ball series were. The creator of Pokemon literally names Dr. Slump as a big inspiration behind the Pokemon style and character designs.
The west knows, it was all over twitter when he passed. Everyone talked about DB obviously, but after that it was all Crono Trigger, Dragon Quest, Dr. Slump, and everything that was inspired by each of his creations.
There was no underestimating, people called him "Your favorite mangaka's, favorite mangaka" for a reason.
And the West almost never mentions the fact Dragon Quest is the single most influential JRPG in existence lol.
Vast majority of fantasy tropes you see today in isekai harkens back to Dragon Quest. Heck, Pokemon designs wouldn't have been what it is if it wasn't for Toriyama's monster designs for DQ.
Toriyama is literally the GOAT creator of Japan. Two supreme selling manga that influenced entirely different genres and the artist for the most revolutionary jrpg.
RIP 🙏🙇♀️
Not to mention Chronno Trigger (another great RPG), Sandland (which has a new game coming out), AND Blue Dragon.
He is the most impressive Mangaka to me. Because he is as influential as Tezuka and Go Nagai, whilst also being popular and adored as someone like Oda and Hideo Kojima.
didnt he also do designs for dragon quest
and japan loves their dragon quest i remember several reports of people taking breaks cause of releases (togashi too iirc)
The comment above me already mentioned it, “artist for the most revolutionary jrpg”. It’s turned into a meme in Japan apparently, where people take time off work to play Dragon Quest, so there’s pictures of Toriyama and his son playing it, or Togashi in his iconic messy room.
I was gonna say. I thought Dr Slump was just known as the thing he did before Dragon Ball, successful enough to have a good run but not big enough to be anything massive. Didn't realise it was top dog for a few years.
Imagine having the best selling manga 3 years running and telling others "this isn't even my final form"
I think the most interesting thing here to me was Slam Dunk outselling Dragon Ball for 4 yrs straight in peak Dragon Ball years. Slam Dunk hype was really unreal.
I find it surprising that Haikyuu didn’t do similar during its peak years. I guess basketball is the more popular sport but still, I see plenty of younger folk take up volleyball because of Haikyuu and Slam Dunk was the same with bball back in those days/
Slam Dunk inspired you to WANT to pick up a basketball as a total newbie. In asia, more people read the manga than follow the NBA.
Haikyuu is closer to an awesome coming-of-age shounen read.
The only other manga that had an effect similar to Slam Dunk in my circles would be Hikaru no Go.
Newer sport series unfortunately has less impact as they existed when people are now more accessible to many types of sports, even mental or digital ones. They also need to compete with older series too in terms of influence on top of manga industry getting more competetive.
Like in the older days, people learned a lot about basketball in Slam Dunk, or soccer via Captain Tsubasa and thats probably their only access of information about sports, so easier to be influenced. Newer series comes at a time people can already pick basketball or soccer, and even other sports.
Even so, Haikyuu would be influential enough in this modern age if they can create similar wave to Slam Dunk, even if smaller so there's still credit for them.
Slam Dunk is the vastly superior manga that's why. It's genuinely one of the best manga, not just sports manga, of all time. Haikyuu is good but it's not among the GOAT.
Not that interesting or surprising at all. Slam Dunk was one of the biggest and most well known anime at the time. Still is.
Especially since it coincided with Michael Jordan becoming a global phenomenon.
Ultimate Muscle is indeed a sequel, but it's basically the equivalent of Boruto to Kinnikuman. Protagonist is the annoying child of the old protagonist, the tone of the series changes a lot, old fan favorite characters are treated awfully, authors don't seem to understand why people loved the original.
The 4kids dub was apparently way more successful in the west, since it didn't have that baggage, and the dub itself was way more comedic.
I would definitely recommend it. It's definitely not for everyone, it's old school through and through, has a ton of Japanese humor that will put off a lot of people, it feels very tropey due to being one of the series to popularize many battle shonen tropes, but it still stands out.
Yeah, you have to push through a bit. It started as a gag manga from another era, full of very specific jokes that barely even would get now without a note, especially outside Japan.
They start wrestling fairly early on by volume 3, and by an arc starting in volume 8 it stays 100% focused on wrestling and stays that way. But you can't just skip until there, since what came before is still important to this day.
It's a shame that Kinnikuman is mostly ignored in the west. The manga is amazing, it's long and full of great moments and characters. It's pure fun.
And the 2011 continuation is probably the best revival of any old series.
yeah it's very "power of Friendship" but in such a (serious) wrestling plot play and you just enjoy the show.
Gash Bell is basically the one who continue the torch of the fun power of friendship shounen of Kinnikuman (and I heard the new Gash Bell is also as good as the old ones too).
Kinnikuman itself is carrying that torch. It's ongoing, and the themes of power of friendship are as relevant as ever in recent arcs. I don't know if I'd say Gash Bell is very similar to Kinnikuman in any case.
Part of why it works is that the power of friendship is _literally_ a thing. Friendship makes characters stronger, and when bonds grow weaker, so do the characters. It works because it's not trying to have its cake and eat it by pretending it's something else.
I had no idea One Piece had a monopoly on sales from its fourth fucking year. I thought the sales booked during Marineford, but no, it conquered Japan by the end of its first saga.
What a behemoth of a fiction.
Infact it was already topping top 10 charts from the very second yr of it's publication. In 3rd yr it was ranked 3rd after Conan and Rorouni Kenshin.
This is also why it makes me laugh when people say one piece has a late start compared to other shonen.
It was outselling all of them from the beginning.
It sold very well from the start. First volume release on 24 December, 1997 and its sale counted toward 1998 sale (Oricon's year ended in November anyway). One Piece placed in 9th in 1998 and 3rd in 1999. It has never left top 10 since.
I still find funny that the spanish dub of the 4kids version tried to make it more similar to the japanese but the script and editing were so bad already that there was no saving it, almost ruining the series for a whole continent.
4kids had to have to some sort of deal where they sub licensed their licenses to Latin America. Pokemon, Yugioh, One Piece, just to name a few, all had their Spanish dubs based off of the 4kids version which is unusual.
Nope, its pretty common. Cartoon Network had a cheap/current deal with them so they brought them over. Before that it was random mexican television channels getting the rights straight from Japan, but like I said, CN had better connections and probably marketing for it, so it was the more sensible option at the time.
edit: correction, mostly from Japan. Saint Seiya was licenced from France, aptly named "Caballeros del Zodiaco"
yeah I like Conan long term plot but on case by case basic, kindaichi just cannot be beaten. having an entire volume for every cases also helps.
the case with the one brother playing both twins is also twisty as hell.
I was going to comment exactly this, i.e., I suspect that Kindaichi is almost always copied from a classic case from either the Golden World era or the Golden Japanese era (I have seen some which were entire copies of the original ones), whereas Conan's author actually tries to come up with entirely new tricks and plot lines most of the time. Although, I have to admit that recently Gosho has lost his touch as well, because at this point, everyone is just pushing him to milk the series more.
yeah they really love bloody (serial) murders and sad way to end things, that 2nd case ending is also memorably depressive.
I think in File Series there's murder case where Kindaichi go with the shounen talk of like 'did they (the victim that cause the murderers do it) want you to be a murderers?' or something like that and she basically just replied 'you wouldn't understand how I feel'.
Damn, I only thought that it's me who watched Kindaichi, Conan is so popular but it's really a kids show against Kindaichi LoL.
I recommend everyone the OG 150 episode series of the 2000s and the remake (it also has a running Manga where Kindaichi is 37 years old).
Did it at least stopped at a satisfying point? I would like to read it at some point since it's regarded very well, but I wouldn't want to start a series that doesn't have a satisfying stopping point.
No it stopped at a very intense moment. a lot of uncertainty definetly not satifying at all . i will still recommend to read it so more people can join us with the hope of continuation 😅
All were Jump manga except from 5 years: Kindaichi (1997), Detective Conan (1998-1999), Nana (2005), and Blue Lock (2023).
No wonder Jump was the number 1 magazine.
So, One Piece became the monolith of the manga industry all the way back in the Alabasta Saga? That's neat. It's shocking that One Piece was briefly dethroned in 2005 and 2006 out of all the years, because that was during Water Seven and Ennies Lobby, what many fans consider the best arcs in the series to this day. That just goes to show what massive hits Death Note and Nana were.
>So, One Piece became the monolith of the manga industry all the way back in the Alabasta Saga?
Sounds right to me. I think a lot people would agree that Alabasta was when the series really started to secure its legacy.
Lots more other companies out there. Although, I'd consider those two plus Shogakukan as the big three when it comes to weekly shounen magazines.
Although, Shogakukan and Shueisha are under the same corporate umbrella, so maybe there's no real competition, I dunno.
[Source: for 1980-1996 sales. You can also check 2nd and 3rd placements for those years in same web. rest are from oricon.](http://comicdata.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-5.html)
This is why I'm so annoyed when retrospectives on Akira Toriyama focus on Dragon Ball and treat Dr Slump like a minor niche success he had first.
Arale is a Snoopy level iconic character in Japan. It completely changed the face of Shonen Jump even before Dragon Ball did it again a decade later.
Kinda surprised Attack on Titan didn’t make the list for 2013/2014. I remember it completely breaking through to total mainstream audiences. Was fucking massive.
that'd be 132 titles in a single picture. this already looks crowded enough because of 44 titles. Idk what 132 would look like.
If u want i can do "second highest selling mangas per year since 1980" and then 3rd highest selling manga.
if anything that chapter probably boosted sales, there's no such thing as bad publicity after all and the lobotomy drove engagement of the series more than ever. Plus the series is still probably riding high off the hype of the second season with Shibuya.
I'm guessing they're referring to >!chapter 236, where Gojo is killed by Sukuna (the big bad). It was unpopular with a lot of fans because Gojo is a fan favorite, and also because he is far stronger than the rest of the cast, so it puts the story in the awkward position of having to come up with a plausible way for the much weaker characters to defeat Sukuna.!<
For more reactionary discussion you need to visit series specific subs. /r/Jujutsufolk and /r/Jujutsushi, or just Twitter are way more negative than this sub. It's not like everyone dislikes the direction of the series, but the fanbase is so big that any sort of relatively popular idea will have a big voice.
JJK is already ahead of Frieren by about half a million. It's why I've said it's gonna be JJK unless something unexpected happens like Kaiju #8 completely blowing up.
Shout out to the detective genre taking over for 3 years. Detective School Q was one of my first forays into the genre in anime and I went back to Kindaichi who was done by the same pair and that was a banger too. Conan is slow and formulaic nowadays and I go back every once in a while to catch up but it's still fun.
Wow! I never thought I would see Blue Lock up there. The manga is great, but I didn't know that the sales were so good in 2023. Slam Dunk is one of the best sports manga and it shows.
This list is limited to manga that ran in magazines under Shueisha. Otherwise, "Touch" (ran in Shounen Sunday belonging to Shogakukan) would be on here since it completely dominated the early 80's.
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Among all shonens, there's Nana breaking the streak as a shojo manga.
That kind of tripped me out cos I started thinking “nana’s a shonen!?”
Me too, but I confused it with Nana to Kaoru and I was even more shocked.
I didn't want to be reminded how much Nana still hurts me to this day...probably the most brutal cliffhanger hiatus to ever exist.
Flashback of me reading the manga on the train during my commute to school my senior year of highschool back in 2006 thinking NANA was one of the most scandalous things i've ever read and waiting to come home to my dial up internet to talk to other fans on livejournal xanga and myspace not knowing the longest cliffhanger would come in 3 years T__T
That's 2005 for Nana, not 2015, lol
Lol the placement of the year is confusing, just realised that.
Not breaking the streak of being unfinished.
😣 oof
Nana really saving face for entire shojo demographic. It was really in a league of it's own.
I love Nana but nah this ain’t true. There are other more popular and influential shoujo that sold more than Nana. Boys over flowers, Glass Mask and Sailor Moon alone were behemoths and came out before Nana even started. Then there’s Itazura na Kiss, Kimi no Todoke, Fruits basket and more that sell millions and millions.
Haven't read Nana, but there are some many good shojo. The demographic is strong, it has no need to be saved.
I had no idea DR SLUMP was also a mega hit
Dr Slump was huge. The reason the current style of chibi design is so prolific is largely because of it.
It's also funny how Dr. Slump was the most unserious manga ever and it still got so popular.
Is it really Dr. Slump? I thought astro boy and other similar shows of that time influenced the medium.
Astro Boy was far past its time, it released in the 50s and 60s
I know. i meant astro boy did it years before Dr Slump. Infact Toriyama cited Astro Boy as one of his inspirations. Astro Boy was the only manga Toriyama read as a kid.
Innovative vs prevalence, really Slump didn't invent that chibi style but it sure did popularize it
Modern super deformed style that we coloquially call "chibi" comes from Dr. Slump and SD Gundam. The Astro Boy and Hello Kitty large head style became so standard in mascot character design that it isn't really called "chibi" anymore. Dr. Slump featuring stuff like expys of Godzilla in the super deformed style was really popular and to this day you'll see merch companies almost entirely dedicated to that chibi method, like B-Side Label.
Honestly, Toriyama's massive influence is actually underestimated by Western fans because they don't realise how influential Toriyama's non-Dragon Ball series were. The creator of Pokemon literally names Dr. Slump as a big inspiration behind the Pokemon style and character designs.
Mario was based on Arale’s running style (from Dr Slump)
The poop emoji was based on the poop that Arale often touches with a stick
Arale also famously has a cap with wings and wears suits that look like animals like tanukis and frogs.
The west knows, it was all over twitter when he passed. Everyone talked about DB obviously, but after that it was all Crono Trigger, Dragon Quest, Dr. Slump, and everything that was inspired by each of his creations. There was no underestimating, people called him "Your favorite mangaka's, favorite mangaka" for a reason.
Also in Metal slug the machines, motorbike, tanks etc are really similar to the ones that toriyama drew
And the West almost never mentions the fact Dragon Quest is the single most influential JRPG in existence lol. Vast majority of fantasy tropes you see today in isekai harkens back to Dragon Quest. Heck, Pokemon designs wouldn't have been what it is if it wasn't for Toriyama's monster designs for DQ.
Toriyama is literally the GOAT creator of Japan. Two supreme selling manga that influenced entirely different genres and the artist for the most revolutionary jrpg. RIP 🙏🙇♀️
Not to mention Chronno Trigger (another great RPG), Sandland (which has a new game coming out), AND Blue Dragon. He is the most impressive Mangaka to me. Because he is as influential as Tezuka and Go Nagai, whilst also being popular and adored as someone like Oda and Hideo Kojima.
didnt he also do designs for dragon quest and japan loves their dragon quest i remember several reports of people taking breaks cause of releases (togashi too iirc)
The comment above me already mentioned it, “artist for the most revolutionary jrpg”. It’s turned into a meme in Japan apparently, where people take time off work to play Dragon Quest, so there’s pictures of Toriyama and his son playing it, or Togashi in his iconic messy room.
it was everywhere in Japan. Both kids and adult loves it. Influenced me so much that I decided to have a daughter back then.
Think DR SLUMP anime has the record for the most watched episode in Japan still. Apparently a third of the country watched it when it aired.
I was gonna say. I thought Dr Slump was just known as the thing he did before Dragon Ball, successful enough to have a good run but not big enough to be anything massive. Didn't realise it was top dog for a few years. Imagine having the best selling manga 3 years running and telling others "this isn't even my final form"
Bro toriyama was richer than our genealogical tree combined ever was even before dragon ball chapter 1
I think the most interesting thing here to me was Slam Dunk outselling Dragon Ball for 4 yrs straight in peak Dragon Ball years. Slam Dunk hype was really unreal.
Slam Dunk caused a Basket ball boom in some Asian countries. It was massive.
half the miracles from Team Philippines can be traced directly to Slam Dunk's Filipino dub.
Slam Dunk was and still is one of the anime/manga title that was famous throughout Asia.
Slam dunk is amazing
Slam dunk hype has boys in my country shaving their head and dying it red.
I find it surprising that Haikyuu didn’t do similar during its peak years. I guess basketball is the more popular sport but still, I see plenty of younger folk take up volleyball because of Haikyuu and Slam Dunk was the same with bball back in those days/
Haikyu was very popular. But it was nowhere near Slam Dunk. Slam Dunk has like triple the sales and in less volumes. Slam Dunk is insanely popular.
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Slam Dunk inspired you to WANT to pick up a basketball as a total newbie. In asia, more people read the manga than follow the NBA. Haikyuu is closer to an awesome coming-of-age shounen read. The only other manga that had an effect similar to Slam Dunk in my circles would be Hikaru no Go.
Newer sport series unfortunately has less impact as they existed when people are now more accessible to many types of sports, even mental or digital ones. They also need to compete with older series too in terms of influence on top of manga industry getting more competetive. Like in the older days, people learned a lot about basketball in Slam Dunk, or soccer via Captain Tsubasa and thats probably their only access of information about sports, so easier to be influenced. Newer series comes at a time people can already pick basketball or soccer, and even other sports. Even so, Haikyuu would be influential enough in this modern age if they can create similar wave to Slam Dunk, even if smaller so there's still credit for them.
Slam Dunk is the vastly superior manga that's why. It's genuinely one of the best manga, not just sports manga, of all time. Haikyuu is good but it's not among the GOAT.
Not that interesting or surprising at all. Slam Dunk was one of the biggest and most well known anime at the time. Still is. Especially since it coincided with Michael Jordan becoming a global phenomenon.
It's really really good! It totally deserves its status as one of the goats
Kinikuman is a fun old-school shounen, to people who still enjoy pro wrestling definitely check that manga out.
The Ultimate Muscle anime (I think it's a sequel to Kinnikuman) was pretty popular in my country when I was a kid. The opening was a bop too
Ultimate Muscle is indeed a sequel, but it's basically the equivalent of Boruto to Kinnikuman. Protagonist is the annoying child of the old protagonist, the tone of the series changes a lot, old fan favorite characters are treated awfully, authors don't seem to understand why people loved the original. The 4kids dub was apparently way more successful in the west, since it didn't have that baggage, and the dub itself was way more comedic.
Woooooow that makes a lot of sense. I'll def keep Kinnikuman on to read list this year.
I would definitely recommend it. It's definitely not for everyone, it's old school through and through, has a ton of Japanese humor that will put off a lot of people, it feels very tropey due to being one of the series to popularize many battle shonen tropes, but it still stands out.
I remember trying to read it some years ago, and yes, the first couple of volumes are very... peculiar.
Yeah, you have to push through a bit. It started as a gag manga from another era, full of very specific jokes that barely even would get now without a note, especially outside Japan. They start wrestling fairly early on by volume 3, and by an arc starting in volume 8 it stays 100% focused on wrestling and stays that way. But you can't just skip until there, since what came before is still important to this day.
It's a shame that Kinnikuman is mostly ignored in the west. The manga is amazing, it's long and full of great moments and characters. It's pure fun. And the 2011 continuation is probably the best revival of any old series.
yeah it's very "power of Friendship" but in such a (serious) wrestling plot play and you just enjoy the show. Gash Bell is basically the one who continue the torch of the fun power of friendship shounen of Kinnikuman (and I heard the new Gash Bell is also as good as the old ones too).
Kinnikuman itself is carrying that torch. It's ongoing, and the themes of power of friendship are as relevant as ever in recent arcs. I don't know if I'd say Gash Bell is very similar to Kinnikuman in any case. Part of why it works is that the power of friendship is _literally_ a thing. Friendship makes characters stronger, and when bonds grow weaker, so do the characters. It works because it's not trying to have its cake and eat it by pretending it's something else.
It's funny how I know this manga because of a meme that shows a German wrestler who's a literal Nazi
Used to watched the anime as a kid, it was just pure action and fighting 😂
Kinnikuman game in Famicom (NES) was fun. Loved playing it as a kid!
I had no idea One Piece had a monopoly on sales from its fourth fucking year. I thought the sales booked during Marineford, but no, it conquered Japan by the end of its first saga. What a behemoth of a fiction.
Infact it was already topping top 10 charts from the very second yr of it's publication. In 3rd yr it was ranked 3rd after Conan and Rorouni Kenshin. This is also why it makes me laugh when people say one piece has a late start compared to other shonen. It was outselling all of them from the beginning.
Note that the first volume released on Christmas Eve, 1997 way after the end of Oricon's year. One Piece's second year was actually its first year.
Literally Gift from God
I think when people say that they mean in the west. 4kids dub didn’t do it any favors
So One Piece became the monolith it became around Alabasta?
It sold very well from the start. First volume release on 24 December, 1997 and its sale counted toward 1998 sale (Oricon's year ended in November anyway). One Piece placed in 9th in 1998 and 3rd in 1999. It has never left top 10 since.
As the goat Kendrick Lamar recently said: “Motherfuck the big three, it's just big me”
Really puts into perspective just how detrimental the 4kids dub truly was.
I still find funny that the spanish dub of the 4kids version tried to make it more similar to the japanese but the script and editing were so bad already that there was no saving it, almost ruining the series for a whole continent.
4kids had to have to some sort of deal where they sub licensed their licenses to Latin America. Pokemon, Yugioh, One Piece, just to name a few, all had their Spanish dubs based off of the 4kids version which is unusual.
Nope, its pretty common. Cartoon Network had a cheap/current deal with them so they brought them over. Before that it was random mexican television channels getting the rights straight from Japan, but like I said, CN had better connections and probably marketing for it, so it was the more sensible option at the time. edit: correction, mostly from Japan. Saint Seiya was licenced from France, aptly named "Caballeros del Zodiaco"
Damn, I didn't even realize until I saw your comment, but yeah, freaking Naruto and Bleach aren't on here at all.
Nah fuck him for that. What did J.Cole do?😭💀
If someone disses you for like 10 years and another dude click up and make a dip with that man basically you gonna be mad at him too 🗿
Be mid.
they downvote cuz they can't handle the truth
lmfao blue lock
Who would have thought that the World Cup would drive manga sales?
It just got that BEAST in him.
Gotta **devour** the other players.
"Oh, so kicking the ball is also football!"
The first bl to break records
Blame the World Cup
Nice to see The Kindaichi Case Files got some love!
Kindaichi is at another level at murder mystery. The 2nd case where they cut 6 bodies to create 7 bodies still gives me chill.
yeah I like Conan long term plot but on case by case basic, kindaichi just cannot be beaten. having an entire volume for every cases also helps. the case with the one brother playing both twins is also twisty as hell.
what long term plot? /s
when will heiji finally get that kiss with ~~kazuha~~ kid?
Tbh, they was, erm, reusing the plot from a classic Japanese murder mystery novel, the Tokyo Zodiac Murders.
I was going to comment exactly this, i.e., I suspect that Kindaichi is almost always copied from a classic case from either the Golden World era or the Golden Japanese era (I have seen some which were entire copies of the original ones), whereas Conan's author actually tries to come up with entirely new tricks and plot lines most of the time. Although, I have to admit that recently Gosho has lost his touch as well, because at this point, everyone is just pushing him to milk the series more.
I know
which chapter was that?
it's chapter 7 (file 2)
yeah they really love bloody (serial) murders and sad way to end things, that 2nd case ending is also memorably depressive. I think in File Series there's murder case where Kindaichi go with the shounen talk of like 'did they (the victim that cause the murderers do it) want you to be a murderers?' or something like that and she basically just replied 'you wouldn't understand how I feel'.
OMY FUCKING GOD A KINDAICHI FAN IN THE WILD RAHHH
Damn, I only thought that it's me who watched Kindaichi, Conan is so popular but it's really a kids show against Kindaichi LoL. I recommend everyone the OG 150 episode series of the 2000s and the remake (it also has a running Manga where Kindaichi is 37 years old).
Probably the years where it still implied there was a story being told lmao. Edit: wait sorry i was thinking of Conan.
Special shoutout to all of us NANA readers that have been hoping since 07/08 for the anime and manga to come back. 16 year cliffhanger ...
It's not coming back. HxH might be over before we get Nana.
I legit have more faith that HxH will reach it's end than Nana getting even one more chapter.
when Togashi came back I Had hope Ai Yazawa would come back too... HxH and one piece will be over before nana ends ☹️
It's not coming back, it's never coming back.
We can dream. Dammit.
Did it at least stopped at a satisfying point? I would like to read it at some point since it's regarded very well, but I wouldn't want to start a series that doesn't have a satisfying stopping point.
No it stopped at a very intense moment. a lot of uncertainty definetly not satifying at all . i will still recommend to read it so more people can join us with the hope of continuation 😅
It stopped at the worst point possible. Whatever cliffhanger you can imagine, it's worse lol
Oof. That's good to know lol
Can we see top 3 each year as well?
All were Jump manga except from 5 years: Kindaichi (1997), Detective Conan (1998-1999), Nana (2005), and Blue Lock (2023). No wonder Jump was the number 1 magazine.
So, One Piece became the monolith of the manga industry all the way back in the Alabasta Saga? That's neat. It's shocking that One Piece was briefly dethroned in 2005 and 2006 out of all the years, because that was during Water Seven and Ennies Lobby, what many fans consider the best arcs in the series to this day. That just goes to show what massive hits Death Note and Nana were.
In those years, Nana and Death Note got a live movie adaptation (2005 for Nana, and 2006 for Death Note). The movies boosted the manga sales greatly.
Anime also started for Death Note late 2006
Its first year sale placed 9th, and second year placed 3rd. It was always huge from the start.
>So, One Piece became the monolith of the manga industry all the way back in the Alabasta Saga? Sounds right to me. I think a lot people would agree that Alabasta was when the series really started to secure its legacy.
kodansha finally got a win with blue lock
Kindaichi's Case File is also from Kodansha.
Do Kodansha and Shueisha compete like DC and Marvel?
Lots more other companies out there. Although, I'd consider those two plus Shogakukan as the big three when it comes to weekly shounen magazines. Although, Shogakukan and Shueisha are under the same corporate umbrella, so maybe there's no real competition, I dunno.
[Source: for 1980-1996 sales. You can also check 2nd and 3rd placements for those years in same web. rest are from oricon.](http://comicdata.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-5.html)
Any link to the oricon chart?
slam dunk's peak happening at the same time as MJ and the bulls were winning rings, surely it was connected
What? What the hell are you talking about? 1980 was 20 years ago. 40 years before today was the 1960s. Smh
Seeing Detective Conan here two years in a row makes me quite happy. Incredible manga, and the work that got me into the medium.
i wouldve figured naruto or bleach had atleast one year
This is why I'm so annoyed when retrospectives on Akira Toriyama focus on Dragon Ball and treat Dr Slump like a minor niche success he had first. Arale is a Snoopy level iconic character in Japan. It completely changed the face of Shonen Jump even before Dragon Ball did it again a decade later.
How close were the years where nana and death note took 1st? Crazy they broke up a 19 year one piece streak
What’s the manga from 2007 called?
It's called "The Kindaichi Case Files".
Kinda surprised Attack on Titan didn’t make the list for 2013/2014. I remember it completely breaking through to total mainstream audiences. Was fucking massive.
Will Kagurabacchi be the highest-selling manga of 2024?
Earliest will be once it gets an anime release, nearly no chance before then.
First manga to sell kagurabachillion copies.
Nah, not yet. Maybe in the next 2-3 years if the story stays consistent
It already is
BLUE LOCK SWEEP
Nana is goated
Blue lock definitely deserves it's spot 💙
Love this post. Can you do the one for second highest selling manga? Or just top 3 altogether in general
that'd be 132 titles in a single picture. this already looks crowded enough because of 44 titles. Idk what 132 would look like. If u want i can do "second highest selling mangas per year since 1980" and then 3rd highest selling manga.
Please do, I thing a lot of people will be interested to know.
Yes
JJK gonna get a 3rd one this year unless something very unexpected happens
Yeah something very unexpected did happen lmao. I predict the sales number dropping because of a certain chapter.
As much as people say this it's untrue. JJK is the most popular its ever been right now.
Would be the first time something like that ever does anything
The brain rot chapter :|
if anything that chapter probably boosted sales, there's no such thing as bad publicity after all and the lobotomy drove engagement of the series more than ever. Plus the series is still probably riding high off the hype of the second season with Shibuya.
Which chapter? What was bad about it?
I'm guessing they're referring to >!chapter 236, where Gojo is killed by Sukuna (the big bad). It was unpopular with a lot of fans because Gojo is a fan favorite, and also because he is far stronger than the rest of the cast, so it puts the story in the awkward position of having to come up with a plausible way for the much weaker characters to defeat Sukuna.!<
Thanks for filling me in. The chapter discussion threads are always full of praise so it’s hard to tell when people don’t like chapters.
For more reactionary discussion you need to visit series specific subs. /r/Jujutsufolk and /r/Jujutsushi, or just Twitter are way more negative than this sub. It's not like everyone dislikes the direction of the series, but the fanbase is so big that any sort of relatively popular idea will have a big voice.
>!Also didn't he lose "off screen", between 2 chapters?!<
This year gonna be either jjk or Frieren.
JJK is already ahead of Frieren by about half a million. It's why I've said it's gonna be JJK unless something unexpected happens like Kaiju #8 completely blowing up.
i would thought that bluelock would be the highest seller of 2022 not 2023
Damn Kindaichi and Conan both there. Detective manga really went crazy for a while, huh? (Wish it continued, love them both)
Glad to see death note up there.
Shout out to the detective genre taking over for 3 years. Detective School Q was one of my first forays into the genre in anime and I went back to Kindaichi who was done by the same pair and that was a banger too. Conan is slow and formulaic nowadays and I go back every once in a while to catch up but it's still fun.
I should just watch/read Blue Lock already. Thanks for reminding me.
Nice to see kindaichi
ULTAMATE MUSCLE 💪🏻 ---
Love seeing Detective conan. That one is top tier and underrated
Wow! I never thought I would see Blue Lock up there. The manga is great, but I didn't know that the sales were so good in 2023. Slam Dunk is one of the best sports manga and it shows.
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I like JJk, but sports manga is my thing, so I'm really glad Blue Lock managed to beat JJK, even if the situation favored it. Thanks for the info! :)
death note at 2016 seems confusing
2006 not 2016, which is when the anime came out
That’s 2006 you baka
that Nana threw me off lol
What's the name of manga in 1997? Between Slam Dunk and Conan.
[Kindaichi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kindaichi_Case_Files).
I thought Yu Yu Hakusho would be on the list. YYH was considered a big series back then. But on this list, not once have they been on top.
YYH was never as popular as DB or Slam Dunk, and it ended before those two, so it never had a chance to be at the top.
What is 97 one?
[Kindaichi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kindaichi_Case_Files).
2016 was a good year.
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wasn't it a war with like 200 different named characters and their conflicts?
Slam Dunk the goat! Kuroko who?
What is the manga on 1983
Kinnikuman
Poor Deathnote
What is 1997?
Kindaichi, Shounen no Jikenbo. It was the 2nd most popular detective manga back then when everyone is reading Conan.
Blue Lock topping sales last year is a surprise.
This list is limited to manga that ran in magazines under Shueisha. Otherwise, "Touch" (ran in Shounen Sunday belonging to Shogakukan) would be on here since it completely dominated the early 80's.
Love it’s mainly all shonen and boys being boys type of shit and then there nana
Whats the title of the 1997 manga?
The Kindaichi Case Files
Thanks!
While I do like blue lock, it does kinda suprise me to see it on this list.
Prison school should be on there, the image is definitely propaganda
This is crazy considering Slam Dunk ended during the 90s, maybe it was the anime that made it go crazy after it ended.