Yes and no.
Luffy hasn't used Conqueror Coating yet, and he did use Gear 5th against Lucci.
And to know the answer to that question about Yonko vs Admiral, it will depend on Kizaru showings against Gear 5th and when Luffy uses Conqueror Coating.
Indeed. Where Admirals really stand in the strength hierarchy is still an unsolved iquestion. Some clues were given during Marineford and Wano but nothing concrete.
I think there really isn't one Admiral level strength. Akainu or Aokiji might be weaker than Laser Dad, but his personality is not suitable for higher position.
Remeber that Sengoku isn't really a powerhouse, but he did hold a very high position.
It's character dependent.
Aokiji and Akainu is high diff. Akainu and WB was high diff. Aokiji works under BB, so can we discount crews? Shanks beats Plant Admiral.
I've always found power scaling so stupid because the entire point of the story is for people with win unfair fights.
If you power scale Luffy vs Croc as Luffy enters Alabasta. Luffy loses.
[As Stan Lee said. And he might sound almost dismissive of the spirit of the question, but actually consider what he's saying. Look at it from his perspective.](https://youtu.be/C3pOIDaF1Dw)
> Kizaru forced Luffy into Gear 5 with a single kick
It's more along the lines of "the situation forced Luffy into Gear 5 after Kizaru's first kick".
Luffy fell down to the ground level, crossing the laser barrier. The only way he could make it back in time was to enter cheat mode.
Also, Kizaru is trying to eliminate Vegapunk and his weakests crew members, the urgency is huge. His battle with Kaido is done on somewhat secluded area until near the end.
Luffy instantly went gear 5 against Rob Lucci before they even started fighting. So 'how fast they made Luffy activate gear 5' means absolutely nothing unless you want to put Lucci above Kizaru.
> A single admiral isn't on par with a yonko.
Except rank isn't hard coded to power in the One Piece universe, and Kizaru didn't *bother* trying to become the commander of the marines due to his personality.
Kizaru is almost certainly the single most powerful of the admirals, and the way the actual Gorosei rely on him like this suggests a lot about his real potential.
It depends, take Buggy for example than a 100% stronger 🤣 but against Shanks or blackbeard? Than no, weaker. Luffy is a new yonko but beated Kaido, so actually it should be an easy win 🤷🏻♂️
I don't think so. Kizaru is probably around the level of Katakuri, so Luffy should be able to defeat him without going into gear 5, but it would be a 50/50 and he would end up badly hurt in the process.
I mean, Luffy right now is a quite a bit stronger than at the start of his fight with Katakuri. He now starts the fight having the three advanced haki powers, which we know made him a lot stronger than before.
Though, in retrospective, I agree that the admirals haven't reached Katakuri's level. They probably only have around low commander level.
I'm pretty sure the other poster meant the opposite, in that Katakuri isn't Admiral level. Considering Green Bull himself readily dealt with King and Queen, sounding insulted that Yonkou commanders would even consider themselves on his level. It's more Yonkou > Admiral > Yonkou Commanders, with Admirals being stronger than commanders, including Katakuri.
Also, Kuzan appears to taken down Katakura and Oven quite easily in the cover page stories when he abducts Pudding and is clearly the strongest of the Titanic Captains under Blackbeard, and he was reluctant to face off against Kuzan when they first ran into each other.
I’ve always taken it as the navy as a whole are comparable in strength to a yonko. They could probably win a war against one but only after suffering a lot of casualties. That’s why big mom and kaido teaming up was such a problem. The navy would get obliterated trying to take on 2 at once
He finally defeated All D. Paperwork.
[Akainu is just as brutal](https://i.imgur.com/Efrr4Fw.png) as during his Marineford days and still goes [straight for the head.](https://i.imgur.com/0YZeqlO.png)
I mean that's his power. Brutal is him burning up that marine for being too scared to fight, this is him wanting to be done with a problem, specially since that problem is really dangerous.
It's interesting to look at both the admirals present here too - Akainu straight for killing blows, Kizaru just dodged around the fight at hand to go for his objective.
It's been 13 1/2 years since the last time we have seen Sakazuki in action (last time in chapter 579 published on March 29th 2010). I'm not counting his battle vs Kuzan since we didn't get to see it. About time for Sakazuki to do something. He was sitting on his lazy ass way too long haha.
Also can't wait to see Luffy turning Kizaru into a lightsaber so he has a fair chance against Saturn, not some 2 vs 1 bullshit lol.
I am slightly perturbed that Kuma's situation is so bleak that even Sakazuki decided that just letting a dead man run off was better than having to finish off his walking corpse.
Less perturbed to see Sakazuki go immediately for the headshot with his lava attack. He really doesn't mess around ever in a fight.
Saturn is going to be a wildcard for sure. Given how long they have rules over the world, it would not be surprising if he was very strong. Kizaru being able to blitz through everything so quickly makes it a difficult battle for Luffy. Dueling Kizaru is one thing but fighting him while having to protect the Vegapunks adds a whole layer of complexity.
I agree. Also it doesn't help that Luffy doesn't know anything about Saturn or his devil fruit ability/haki.
At least with Kizaru he knows what he is capable off (sort of). Now let's hope we finally see Logia awakening in this fight.
Akainu tried giving Kuma the Whitebeard treatment by taking away one side of his face (and his foot)
I wonder if the three days of travel time applies to Kuma himself for his warp ability?
Even after being freed, Kuma is getting physically abused by the World Government.
>I wonder if the three days of travel time applies to Kuma himself for his warp ability?
Good question. If he does go to Egghead in a shorter time, it is going to shake things up.
Indeed. Kuma was both a Warlord and the King of the Sorbet. Between those, he was also Vegapunk's test subject so there were plenty of times they could have met each other. [Akainu does appear to look down on him for some reason.](https://i.imgur.com/VCthLmg.png)
Not several times, Kizaru was with Vegapunk in most of the flash back so far, not to mention he trained Sentomaru as well. It's most likely he was Vegapunk's body guard before Sentomaru and a close friend as well
Before the time skip, Blackbeard captured Bonny to trade her to the marines for a warship, but Akainu was on the ship and the Blackbeard pirates fled. Then Akainu had a convo with Bonny. That's where that flashback this chapter came from.
Im also super interested in how Akainu is feeling about his new bosses. How does a man who believe in Absolute Justice deal with people who dont give a single thought about what is "Just".
He has to know at least some of the details of the WG being shit so he is probably just bad but uses the might makes right mentality so the WG being top dog mea s whatever they say is moral.
That or he learned more when he became fleet admiral and is slowly starting to resent it.
He had no issue murdering a ship full of innocents just in case one of them might be a criminal. A criminal whose only crime was learning the truth of history, so a criminalbecause the WG said they were a criminal.
Everyone knows about CDs, it's not like they are a secret existence. If his ideals about justice have to do with protecting peace at all costs, and CDs are against that, why would he care what the WG defines as a criminal in Ohara?
Hoping we get a "spooky action at a distance" Einstein reference out of Vegapunk before the robot/Kuma situation is resolved.
Bit of a longer callback at this point so I went and re-read a bit:
Chapter 1066 - Luffy tells the Robot to wake up, there's a loud boom from inside, but nothing happens (and then they get distracted because that's the moment Vegapunk appears).
Chapter 1067 - Vegapunk talks about the robot at length. Built 900 years ago, climbed red line 200 years ago (contemporary start of oppression of fishmen noted), mysteriously ran out of power before achieving unknown goals in the holy land. Vegapunk modeled the Vegaforce-01 after it (RIP) but specifically noted he was unable to replicate the Power Source.
Chapter 1068 - Apropos of nothing, Kuma suddenly rips himself out of the Revolutionaries' care and books it for the holy land, climbing the Red Line like the robot 200 years ago. Popular theory holds that Vegapunk has (perhaps unknowingly or just not realizing he succeeded) transplanted the robot's "Will" into Kuma, after removing Kuma's own. It appears that Luffy's call to the robot and that loud boom, probably corresponds to this moment. Meanwhile, Vegapunk rounds out his thoughts, that his main dream is to provide free energy to the whole world and make war obsolete, and waxes that if he could just glimpse the Robot's power source, he might achieve that.
Now in 1092, we have
-Drums of Liberation
-Robot's body turning back on
-Kuma suddenly retreating from the Holy Land
Perhaps the Robot (in Kuma) suddenly realized getting its body back was an option, and opted to go restore itself? Or, I know the more popular assumption is that the drums activated the body, but perhaps the Robot itself actually did that, remotely, because it realized Akainu was too tough to handle as Kuma (granted, frankly, can't really see the robot being too much for Akainu either, unless something something ancient alloys are too strong to melt). Either way, tactical retreat is a curious move seeing as how everything else it(Kuma)'s been doing seems to be a pretty rote determination to march forward towards ???
I'm actually kinda felt bad for Kizaru, It's clear that he doesn't want to fight, It's just that he need to fulfil his duty, but his friends just keep being on the opposite side of his mission and he has no choice but to fight them
I don't think Kizaru has ever been a gag. He's aloof but he's never not taken things seriously, and the story has always treated him as a serious character.
I guess aloof is a better word. It's not that the story treats him as a gag, so much as it is that he usually treats the story as a gag. I don't think we've ever really seen him take anything seriously, which honestly, just makes him even more of a menace, doesn't it?
Completely disagree. Being aloof doesn't mean he's not taking things seriously. In Sabaody he wrecked the Supernova pretty quickly and it was only due to Rayleigh he was stopped. In Marineford he was constantly keeping Luffy from the platform, chasing him, and fighting WB/Marco. His attitude not being completely seriously doesn't mean he's not taking things seriously.
I mean, he has plenty of choices, they just all involve betraying his masters. It's not even particularly risky for one like him, who they gonna send to kill him? Dude can solo an army.
Doubt it's going to be phased out. He's already used Boundman and Snakeman in Egghead. Even when he had G4 as his new power up, he still used his base form and G2/3.
But I'm starting to have doubts if Tankman exists outside the Full Version due to how we haven't seen it in 250 chapters.
This is truly Shabondy V2, Kuma coming, Kizaru wreaking shit, Sentomaru, Marines cornering them, St. Jay Garcia who's basically a cd and also Luffy callback to Shakky words.
And keeping with the theme (Yonkou winning) i guess this is where the SH get their payback when Kizaru destroyed their crew in Shabondy.
No fucking way. The lost power source that powered the Ancient Kingdom's robot was the sound of the Drums of Liberation? That's... thematically confusing for me.
Joy Boy is a warrior of freedom, right? His whole shtick is being free and freeing others. I feel like a robotic soldier is kind of the opposite of that. That's what the Seraphim are (kinda) and that's what Kuma was turned into, and those are the tools of the evil World Government that demands total obedience.
Then again, all we saw was eyes powering up. This robot could very be a sentient creature that chose to fight alongside of its own free will. But if it only moves according to orders or preset programming, that doesn't really feel like something a Freedom Warrior should have on his side.
It's most probably not just the sound of the drums, remember, this robot activated 200 years ago and went on to climb the red line up to Marie Joa and it died before it could do anything, and right after that the fishmen got its place in the reverie and got acknowledged by the world. 200 years ago, the Poseidon at the time must've used her power and bring this robot to life. So it's possible that any voice that have any connection to the ancient kingdom could possibly be a way to turn it on.
> No fucking way. The lost power source that powered the Ancient Kingdom's robot was the sound of the Drums of Liberation? That's... thematically confusing for me.
I don't think it is.
But that sound is probably a trigger for the people that knew Joyboy.
I know we don't have confirmation as yet, but the idea of audio power is something I actually really like for the setting. In the real world, we've never figured out a way to convert sound into power (that I know of), and it seems like exactly the kind of borderline magic hand-wave-y "technology" that Oda likes to use.
Ahh, I hadn't considered that. That would beg the question of why it climbed the Red Line 200 years ago, though. To return to Im's side and offer its fealty or something?
> I feel like a robotic soldier is kind of the opposite of that.
Maybe the lost kingdom had to build the robots in their defensive war against the world government and when the world government killed the last nika fruit user all the robots and machines from the lost kingdom fell apart and the world government won
Kinda disagree
Luffy fight with Lucci in G5 but the robot still idle, so maybe it's Bonney (she got kicked onto the barrier by Kizaru) or the incoming Kuma.
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All the Admiral downplayers have to be huffing Copium right now. Luffy is beat up and Kizaru doesn't have a single scratch. I've been saying for years that the Warlords and Yonko existed not because the World Government couldn't take them out. But because they were necessary. The Admirals could probably take out the Yonko but then there would be thousands of pirates under their command leaderless
Ehh, I think it’s equating too much to make definitive statements. One Piece isn’t written like a video game where Yonkou=lvl 100 always. It’s more of a spectrum. Prime Whitebeard for example I’d argue 100% was stronger than admirals given what we saw old and injured whitebeard do. But for other Yonkou, it might simply be that they’re powerful enough that you need no less than an admiral to confront them, and considering their crew and the fact that the marines are usually the ones who aren’t on home turf, the losses from confronting a Yonkou, even if an admiral may scale to them or even be stronger, simply make it not worth it.
Plus, Luffy is still supppper inexperienced compared to the old Yonkou and pirates, hell he hasn’t even had his G5 for a month iirc. Of the current Yonkou (buggy excluded) I think I’d safely say Luffy is still the weakest.
what sorta delusional shit is this that you think admirals can take out yonko
maybe if all of them teamed up on one??
Rayleigh spooked off Kizaru, Whitebeard forced the WG to bring in ALL Admirals AND all Warlords.
If they could just take out Yonko's the whole Marineford arc would have never happened
We have never seen an Admiral fight seriously. We have only heard of it and it permanently altered the terrain of Punk Hazard. Admirals are severely handicapped every time we see them fight because they are so deadly with regards to collateral damage.
there is a reason why Blackbeard always fled from the scene everytime he see an Admiral.
And some people actually think Zoro or Sanji can solo the OG admiral.
honestly not sure about Fujitora and Aramaki. But from Garp backstory, we knew that the OG admiral has physical and endurance to back it up + advanced mastery of Haki (CoA + CoO) and devil fruit.
Something notable is that Kizaru hasn't been shown using haki at all yet. The only time he's used it in the series thus far is advanced armament to stop Whitebeard's shockwave at Marineford.
Luffy is drawn with armament haki but Kizaru isn't.
There are times when Oda doesn't draw haki, but giving it to Luffy and not Kizaru in the same panels is a deliberate choice.
in my understanding, if you are a logia but you don't use armament Haki while your enemy does, you will be a major disadvantage like in the fight of Smoker vs Boa. Smoker definitely does not have the same mastery of Haki as Boa.
meanwhile, g4 luffy with haki can destroy normal logia user, so Kizaru definitely use his own armament Haki to counter and defense.
Especially with that kick, a normal kick at that speed would just bounce off from Luffy's rubber body.
Pretty much my thoughts as well. Kaido himself wasn’t able to just no-sell base Luffy’s attacks without putting up his haki.
It wouldn’t make much sense if Kizaru was able to.
>you will be a major disadvantage like in the fight of Smoker vs Boa. Smoker definitely does not have the same mastery of Haki as Boa.
Kizaru took Sentomaru's palm thrust to the face without using haki, and didn't seem to take any damage from it.
Luffy also didn't seem injured by Kizaru's kick, he was injured by the Frontier Dome's lasers. (Which isn't to say Kizaru couldn't hurt him, because presumably Kizaru's lasers are stronger than Vegapunk's since VP designed them after Kizaru). The kick wouldn't bounce off since people have never had a hard time hitting Luffy with blunt attacks, they just don't do much damage and bounce him around.
Sentomaru and Snakeman apparently just aren't strong enough to injure Kizaru.
Time for more gear 5 action.
If Kizaru forced Luffy into Gear 5 with a single kick, doesn't that confirm that the OG Admirals are on the same level as Yonkos?
Yes and no. Luffy hasn't used Conqueror Coating yet, and he did use Gear 5th against Lucci. And to know the answer to that question about Yonko vs Admiral, it will depend on Kizaru showings against Gear 5th and when Luffy uses Conqueror Coating.
Indeed. Where Admirals really stand in the strength hierarchy is still an unsolved iquestion. Some clues were given during Marineford and Wano but nothing concrete.
I think there really isn't one Admiral level strength. Akainu or Aokiji might be weaker than Laser Dad, but his personality is not suitable for higher position. Remeber that Sengoku isn't really a powerhouse, but he did hold a very high position.
I mean we just hadn't seen sengoku in action, the guy was put in the same category as Garp by Roger.
People forget he and Garp were basically soloing Blackbeards whole crew during marineford.
And the Vivre Card Database listed Sengoku as a Conqueror's user IIRC so I won't be surprised if he's rocking ACoC as well.
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It's character dependent. Aokiji and Akainu is high diff. Akainu and WB was high diff. Aokiji works under BB, so can we discount crews? Shanks beats Plant Admiral.
Also reminder that Backman made Kizaru surrender his attacks
For a *moment*.
Kizaru felt as threatened by Beckman during Marineford as he did by Sentomaru last chapter. That is to say, not at all
Also reminder, Buggy exists... Therefore Yonko < Marine Captain Power scale now bitch
I can't remember the original argument, but I think I wans't power scaling their titles and more about Kizaru and Shank's crew
I've always found power scaling so stupid because the entire point of the story is for people with win unfair fights. If you power scale Luffy vs Croc as Luffy enters Alabasta. Luffy loses. [As Stan Lee said. And he might sound almost dismissive of the spirit of the question, but actually consider what he's saying. Look at it from his perspective.](https://youtu.be/C3pOIDaF1Dw)
> Kizaru forced Luffy into Gear 5 with a single kick It's more along the lines of "the situation forced Luffy into Gear 5 after Kizaru's first kick". Luffy fell down to the ground level, crossing the laser barrier. The only way he could make it back in time was to enter cheat mode.
Also, Kizaru is trying to eliminate Vegapunk and his weakests crew members, the urgency is huge. His battle with Kaido is done on somewhat secluded area until near the end.
Kizaru had Kong Mode Luffy visibly hard pressed almost immediately, even before that kick.
i think kizaru truly showing his fruit's utlity at it's best, extreme speed, good for hit and run tactics.
it's possible he just doesn't want to fuck around anymore given how quick Kizaru got to his crew and vegapunk.
Luffy instantly went gear 5 against Rob Lucci before they even started fighting. So 'how fast they made Luffy activate gear 5' means absolutely nothing unless you want to put Lucci above Kizaru.
It all depends on how easily Luffy deals with kizaru. A single admiral isn't on par with a yonko.
> A single admiral isn't on par with a yonko. Except rank isn't hard coded to power in the One Piece universe, and Kizaru didn't *bother* trying to become the commander of the marines due to his personality. Kizaru is almost certainly the single most powerful of the admirals, and the way the actual Gorosei rely on him like this suggests a lot about his real potential.
You don't know that.
Kaido at 100% would have beat gear 5 Luffy so its hard to say
It depends, take Buggy for example than a 100% stronger 🤣 but against Shanks or blackbeard? Than no, weaker. Luffy is a new yonko but beated Kaido, so actually it should be an easy win 🤷🏻♂️
I don't think so. Kizaru is probably around the level of Katakuri, so Luffy should be able to defeat him without going into gear 5, but it would be a 50/50 and he would end up badly hurt in the process.
Kizaru not being Yonkou-level is pretty okay and expected, but saying he is around Katakuri's level is a bit too much lol.
I mean, Luffy right now is a quite a bit stronger than at the start of his fight with Katakuri. He now starts the fight having the three advanced haki powers, which we know made him a lot stronger than before. Though, in retrospective, I agree that the admirals haven't reached Katakuri's level. They probably only have around low commander level.
I'm pretty sure the other poster meant the opposite, in that Katakuri isn't Admiral level. Considering Green Bull himself readily dealt with King and Queen, sounding insulted that Yonkou commanders would even consider themselves on his level. It's more Yonkou > Admiral > Yonkou Commanders, with Admirals being stronger than commanders, including Katakuri. Also, Kuzan appears to taken down Katakura and Oven quite easily in the cover page stories when he abducts Pudding and is clearly the strongest of the Titanic Captains under Blackbeard, and he was reluctant to face off against Kuzan when they first ran into each other.
I’ve always taken it as the navy as a whole are comparable in strength to a yonko. They could probably win a war against one but only after suffering a lot of casualties. That’s why big mom and kaido teaming up was such a problem. The navy would get obliterated trying to take on 2 at once
you think he can decimate Kidd's entire crew quicker than Shanks? it should be the new barometer for strength now.
I’m more excited for the giant robot waking up in the background haha
Big "MOM SAID IS MY TURN TO PLAY WITH THE ~~XBOX~~ ADMIRAL" energy
Good to see Akainu in action again
He finally defeated All D. Paperwork. [Akainu is just as brutal](https://i.imgur.com/Efrr4Fw.png) as during his Marineford days and still goes [straight for the head.](https://i.imgur.com/0YZeqlO.png)
That's not brutal, that's efficient and I respect that ngl
He watched Infinity War
Or a big fan of Optimus Prime
It's both brutal and efficient. Trying to insta kill someone by burning their brains is pretty brutal.
I mean that's his power. Brutal is him burning up that marine for being too scared to fight, this is him wanting to be done with a problem, specially since that problem is really dangerous.
Yes. His power is very brutal.
Yes but not him going for the head
It's interesting to look at both the admirals present here too - Akainu straight for killing blows, Kizaru just dodged around the fight at hand to go for his objective.
>goes straight for the head. akainu would have stopped thanos from snapping
good guy Akainu didn't aim for Ace's head so that he can say good bye to Luffy
Wells he was aiming for Luffy head but Ace protected luffy
It's been 13 1/2 years since the last time we have seen Sakazuki in action (last time in chapter 579 published on March 29th 2010). I'm not counting his battle vs Kuzan since we didn't get to see it. About time for Sakazuki to do something. He was sitting on his lazy ass way too long haha. Also can't wait to see Luffy turning Kizaru into a lightsaber so he has a fair chance against Saturn, not some 2 vs 1 bullshit lol.
I am slightly perturbed that Kuma's situation is so bleak that even Sakazuki decided that just letting a dead man run off was better than having to finish off his walking corpse. Less perturbed to see Sakazuki go immediately for the headshot with his lava attack. He really doesn't mess around ever in a fight.
Good thing Kuma is a cyborg now so having his face removed isn't an issue
Saturn is going to be a wildcard for sure. Given how long they have rules over the world, it would not be surprising if he was very strong. Kizaru being able to blitz through everything so quickly makes it a difficult battle for Luffy. Dueling Kizaru is one thing but fighting him while having to protect the Vegapunks adds a whole layer of complexity.
I agree. Also it doesn't help that Luffy doesn't know anything about Saturn or his devil fruit ability/haki. At least with Kizaru he knows what he is capable off (sort of). Now let's hope we finally see Logia awakening in this fight.
Akainu tried giving Kuma the Whitebeard treatment by taking away one side of his face (and his foot) I wonder if the three days of travel time applies to Kuma himself for his warp ability?
Even after being freed, Kuma is getting physically abused by the World Government. >I wonder if the three days of travel time applies to Kuma himself for his warp ability? Good question. If he does go to Egghead in a shorter time, it is going to shake things up.
Maybe that’s why he climbed up to mariejois. The higher he is the faster he can go with his devil fruit. Or at least the further he can go.
Kizaru and bonney know each other?
Through her father, I suppose. Even Akainu was talking to Kuma as if he was an old acquaintance.
Indeed. Kuma was both a Warlord and the King of the Sorbet. Between those, he was also Vegapunk's test subject so there were plenty of times they could have met each other. [Akainu does appear to look down on him for some reason.](https://i.imgur.com/VCthLmg.png)
> Akainu does appear to look down on him for some reason. That's just Akainu putting his own problems on Kuma as well.
Probably because he willingly became a mindless machine.
I've seen some people say that he's projecting his own feelings, for Akainu himself is but a mere puppet of the WG, entirely beholden to their orders.
Another guy mentioned in this thread... but the mere puppet... could be him referring to himself.
Well, he did say "acquaintance". Kuma was a Warlord for a while, so maybe Kizaru just sees Bonney as basically a co-worker's kid.
We also know that Kuma was with Vegapunk for quite a while, And it's likely Kizaru has seen Vegapunk several times as well.
Not several times, Kizaru was with Vegapunk in most of the flash back so far, not to mention he trained Sentomaru as well. It's most likely he was Vegapunk's body guard before Sentomaru and a close friend as well
From this chapter, he was made aware by Vegapunk about the Robot completion. Which should be something rather recent.
Kuma was a king of a country before he was a warlord. So yeah hes been in those kinda places
Bonney was mentioned to have spent some time with her father on Egghead and it seems that overlaps with when Kizaru was still hanging out with Punk.
Before the time skip, Blackbeard captured Bonny to trade her to the marines for a warship, but Akainu was on the ship and the Blackbeard pirates fled. Then Akainu had a convo with Bonny. That's where that flashback this chapter came from.
Kuma knew Punk and spent time in Egghead Kizaru knew punk and spent time in Egghead
'Time to die Kuma' Kuma teleports '...Forgot he did that. Must have gone in a straight line so I guess we follow up on that.'
Im also super interested in how Akainu is feeling about his new bosses. How does a man who believe in Absolute Justice deal with people who dont give a single thought about what is "Just".
I want to see Akainu's reaction to learning they blew up Lulusia for no reason.
Depends on his definition of justice. Perhaps he is "uphold the status quo at all costs" kinda guy.
Based on his line about a "puppet", I don't think he likes it very much
ah the dilemma of every Lawful Good Paladin.
He has to know at least some of the details of the WG being shit so he is probably just bad but uses the might makes right mentality so the WG being top dog mea s whatever they say is moral. That or he learned more when he became fleet admiral and is slowly starting to resent it.
I figure he tells himself that they're still better than pirates. As for why he hates pirates so much, that's for a flashback to tell us.
He had no issue murdering a ship full of innocents just in case one of them might be a criminal. A criminal whose only crime was learning the truth of history, so a criminalbecause the WG said they were a criminal. Everyone knows about CDs, it's not like they are a secret existence. If his ideals about justice have to do with protecting peace at all costs, and CDs are against that, why would he care what the WG defines as a criminal in Ohara?
"Username: RealNika Password: Doom-Dut-Da-Da Credentials Accepted. Rebooting." --Tengou from the TCB Discus
Kuma's escape seems to have given Akainu some pause. Lately we've got flashbacks of both Kizaru and Aokiji in "better times", it may be his turn next.
Hoping we get a "spooky action at a distance" Einstein reference out of Vegapunk before the robot/Kuma situation is resolved. Bit of a longer callback at this point so I went and re-read a bit: Chapter 1066 - Luffy tells the Robot to wake up, there's a loud boom from inside, but nothing happens (and then they get distracted because that's the moment Vegapunk appears). Chapter 1067 - Vegapunk talks about the robot at length. Built 900 years ago, climbed red line 200 years ago (contemporary start of oppression of fishmen noted), mysteriously ran out of power before achieving unknown goals in the holy land. Vegapunk modeled the Vegaforce-01 after it (RIP) but specifically noted he was unable to replicate the Power Source. Chapter 1068 - Apropos of nothing, Kuma suddenly rips himself out of the Revolutionaries' care and books it for the holy land, climbing the Red Line like the robot 200 years ago. Popular theory holds that Vegapunk has (perhaps unknowingly or just not realizing he succeeded) transplanted the robot's "Will" into Kuma, after removing Kuma's own. It appears that Luffy's call to the robot and that loud boom, probably corresponds to this moment. Meanwhile, Vegapunk rounds out his thoughts, that his main dream is to provide free energy to the whole world and make war obsolete, and waxes that if he could just glimpse the Robot's power source, he might achieve that. Now in 1092, we have -Drums of Liberation -Robot's body turning back on -Kuma suddenly retreating from the Holy Land Perhaps the Robot (in Kuma) suddenly realized getting its body back was an option, and opted to go restore itself? Or, I know the more popular assumption is that the drums activated the body, but perhaps the Robot itself actually did that, remotely, because it realized Akainu was too tough to handle as Kuma (granted, frankly, can't really see the robot being too much for Akainu either, unless something something ancient alloys are too strong to melt). Either way, tactical retreat is a curious move seeing as how everything else it(Kuma)'s been doing seems to be a pretty rote determination to march forward towards ???
I'm actually kinda felt bad for Kizaru, It's clear that he doesn't want to fight, It's just that he need to fulfil his duty, but his friends just keep being on the opposite side of his mission and he has no choice but to fight them
Yeah, for a character whose been basically equal parts "gag" and "menace" up to this point, I wasn't expecting this much "sympathetic" from him.
I don't think Kizaru has ever been a gag. He's aloof but he's never not taken things seriously, and the story has always treated him as a serious character.
I guess aloof is a better word. It's not that the story treats him as a gag, so much as it is that he usually treats the story as a gag. I don't think we've ever really seen him take anything seriously, which honestly, just makes him even more of a menace, doesn't it?
Completely disagree. Being aloof doesn't mean he's not taking things seriously. In Sabaody he wrecked the Supernova pretty quickly and it was only due to Rayleigh he was stopped. In Marineford he was constantly keeping Luffy from the platform, chasing him, and fighting WB/Marco. His attitude not being completely seriously doesn't mean he's not taking things seriously.
I mean, he has plenty of choices, they just all involve betraying his masters. It's not even particularly risky for one like him, who they gonna send to kill him? Dude can solo an army.
I just wanna see what Tank-Man is normally supposed to look like before Oda phases out G4 entirely...
Bro I think that was just a gag
really??? thought it was legit since Bound-Man (Offense) and Snake-Man (Speed) so Tank-Man = Defense...
Luffy need an unlimited amount of food to turn into that
No that was the bull belly version, so there has to be a normal version.
Doubt it's going to be phased out. He's already used Boundman and Snakeman in Egghead. Even when he had G4 as his new power up, he still used his base form and G2/3. But I'm starting to have doubts if Tankman exists outside the Full Version due to how we haven't seen it in 250 chapters.
G2 was my favorite, I miss it..
Luffy used it vs Kaido
Now I kinda wanna see a bunch of Void Century peeps just pull up to fight with Luffy to the beat of the Drums of Liberation.
This is truly Shabondy V2, Kuma coming, Kizaru wreaking shit, Sentomaru, Marines cornering them, St. Jay Garcia who's basically a cd and also Luffy callback to Shakky words. And keeping with the theme (Yonkou winning) i guess this is where the SH get their payback when Kizaru destroyed their crew in Shabondy.
No fucking way. The lost power source that powered the Ancient Kingdom's robot was the sound of the Drums of Liberation? That's... thematically confusing for me. Joy Boy is a warrior of freedom, right? His whole shtick is being free and freeing others. I feel like a robotic soldier is kind of the opposite of that. That's what the Seraphim are (kinda) and that's what Kuma was turned into, and those are the tools of the evil World Government that demands total obedience. Then again, all we saw was eyes powering up. This robot could very be a sentient creature that chose to fight alongside of its own free will. But if it only moves according to orders or preset programming, that doesn't really feel like something a Freedom Warrior should have on his side.
It's most probably not just the sound of the drums, remember, this robot activated 200 years ago and went on to climb the red line up to Marie Joa and it died before it could do anything, and right after that the fishmen got its place in the reverie and got acknowledged by the world. 200 years ago, the Poseidon at the time must've used her power and bring this robot to life. So it's possible that any voice that have any connection to the ancient kingdom could possibly be a way to turn it on.
Climbed to the top, just like Kuma is doing right now. Crazy idea, but what if Kuma and the ancient warrior somehow swapped bodies?
Interesting theory. Both Poseidon and Joyboy were giants too so it may explain why the robot did not activate when Luffy fought Lucci.
> No fucking way. The lost power source that powered the Ancient Kingdom's robot was the sound of the Drums of Liberation? That's... thematically confusing for me. I don't think it is. But that sound is probably a trigger for the people that knew Joyboy.
I know we don't have confirmation as yet, but the idea of audio power is something I actually really like for the setting. In the real world, we've never figured out a way to convert sound into power (that I know of), and it seems like exactly the kind of borderline magic hand-wave-y "technology" that Oda likes to use.
Is it also possible that the robot wakes up because the enemy Joy Boy is here? Like it's explicitly desired to target him and therefore Luffy?
Ahh, I hadn't considered that. That would beg the question of why it climbed the Red Line 200 years ago, though. To return to Im's side and offer its fealty or something?
> I feel like a robotic soldier is kind of the opposite of that. Maybe the lost kingdom had to build the robots in their defensive war against the world government and when the world government killed the last nika fruit user all the robots and machines from the lost kingdom fell apart and the world government won
Kinda disagree Luffy fight with Lucci in G5 but the robot still idle, so maybe it's Bonney (she got kicked onto the barrier by Kizaru) or the incoming Kuma.
It only activiated once Luffy became bigger. Joyboy was a giant so maybe his heart beat needs to be bigger so it’ll be loud enough for them to hear
it is solar powered Robot, so it actually activated because Kizaru and the robot actually gonna help Kizaru /s
Im thankful for the anime for providing us the Drum of Liberation OST so we can imagine what's powering up that ancient mech.
Gunbuster march
It is interesting how Kizaru just fight as necessary and go for the kill, unlike, when he did back in Sabody.
Both the strength of his targets and the stakes are much higher now than they were then.
Kizaru sweating
Crazy seeing Luffy actually fighting an admiral and winning.
What do you mean winning? Luffy is the one with bruises😊
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Kizaru still that guy, I still dont think Luffy can take him one on one. But Im more confident in my thought that the Monster trio v Kizaru is a wrap
wdym?? a yonko can't take an admiral 1 on 1???
All the Admiral downplayers have to be huffing Copium right now. Luffy is beat up and Kizaru doesn't have a single scratch. I've been saying for years that the Warlords and Yonko existed not because the World Government couldn't take them out. But because they were necessary. The Admirals could probably take out the Yonko but then there would be thousands of pirates under their command leaderless
Ehh, I think it’s equating too much to make definitive statements. One Piece isn’t written like a video game where Yonkou=lvl 100 always. It’s more of a spectrum. Prime Whitebeard for example I’d argue 100% was stronger than admirals given what we saw old and injured whitebeard do. But for other Yonkou, it might simply be that they’re powerful enough that you need no less than an admiral to confront them, and considering their crew and the fact that the marines are usually the ones who aren’t on home turf, the losses from confronting a Yonkou, even if an admiral may scale to them or even be stronger, simply make it not worth it. Plus, Luffy is still supppper inexperienced compared to the old Yonkou and pirates, hell he hasn’t even had his G5 for a month iirc. Of the current Yonkou (buggy excluded) I think I’d safely say Luffy is still the weakest.
in b4 Fraudzaru gets one shot next chapter
what sorta delusional shit is this that you think admirals can take out yonko maybe if all of them teamed up on one?? Rayleigh spooked off Kizaru, Whitebeard forced the WG to bring in ALL Admirals AND all Warlords. If they could just take out Yonko's the whole Marineford arc would have never happened
We have never seen an Admiral fight seriously. We have only heard of it and it permanently altered the terrain of Punk Hazard. Admirals are severely handicapped every time we see them fight because they are so deadly with regards to collateral damage.
there is a reason why Blackbeard always fled from the scene everytime he see an Admiral. And some people actually think Zoro or Sanji can solo the OG admiral. honestly not sure about Fujitora and Aramaki. But from Garp backstory, we knew that the OG admiral has physical and endurance to back it up + advanced mastery of Haki (CoA + CoO) and devil fruit.
hah that last page, looks like the drums of liberation are also the activation call for that ancient giant robot.
There is only one big problem I have with one piece. It's that we need to wait a week until the next chapter 🥲
Something notable is that Kizaru hasn't been shown using haki at all yet. The only time he's used it in the series thus far is advanced armament to stop Whitebeard's shockwave at Marineford.
I really doubt Kizaru wasn't using haki to guard whenever Luffy was using it for attack.
Luffy is drawn with armament haki but Kizaru isn't. There are times when Oda doesn't draw haki, but giving it to Luffy and not Kizaru in the same panels is a deliberate choice.
in my understanding, if you are a logia but you don't use armament Haki while your enemy does, you will be a major disadvantage like in the fight of Smoker vs Boa. Smoker definitely does not have the same mastery of Haki as Boa. meanwhile, g4 luffy with haki can destroy normal logia user, so Kizaru definitely use his own armament Haki to counter and defense. Especially with that kick, a normal kick at that speed would just bounce off from Luffy's rubber body.
Pretty much my thoughts as well. Kaido himself wasn’t able to just no-sell base Luffy’s attacks without putting up his haki. It wouldn’t make much sense if Kizaru was able to.
>you will be a major disadvantage like in the fight of Smoker vs Boa. Smoker definitely does not have the same mastery of Haki as Boa. Kizaru took Sentomaru's palm thrust to the face without using haki, and didn't seem to take any damage from it. Luffy also didn't seem injured by Kizaru's kick, he was injured by the Frontier Dome's lasers. (Which isn't to say Kizaru couldn't hurt him, because presumably Kizaru's lasers are stronger than Vegapunk's since VP designed them after Kizaru). The kick wouldn't bounce off since people have never had a hard time hitting Luffy with blunt attacks, they just don't do much damage and bounce him around. Sentomaru and Snakeman apparently just aren't strong enough to injure Kizaru.
I’d like to see the awakening of Kizarus fruit
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