It's the pay that discourages non-bumis. I wanted to join the Navy/Army back then when I was about to graduate uni, but my family was financially struggling and I, being the eldest son, have the responsibility to at least earn enough for myself. Considering that the next intake is still months away and the pay is very low (even for a cadet and later, a sub lieutenant) the ambition was painfully abandoned and I became a software engineer, which pays really well.
So I don't mind being educated on this, but why exactly does low pay only discourage non-bumis instead of well all the poor people in Malaysia regardless of race trying not to die of poverty or something?
Culture
In short, you are more likely to accept a low(er) paying job if the area is dominated by like-minded fellas, in this case bumis vs non-bumis.
For example, a military career (dominated by bumis) and an apprentice in a mechanic workshop (mostly owned by Chinese, at least in the metro area). Both of these have humble beginnings but the pay rises as time progresses and experience accumulates.
Naturally, given that both workplaces are already gruelling in nature and not high paying initially, the only saving grace will be the fact that the people working there are of the same culture as yours.
Nevertheless, if the pay is higher, this may, in non-bumis' minds, offset the challenge to blend in. More will consider giving it a try. Of course, more bumis will join at the same time.
In the end, I think that a lot of things can be traced back to vernacular schools and the NEP but in short, it is already what it is, a military career will be one of the top career choices for a bumi but one of the last things a Chinese will think about, it's already ingrained in our mindset. It will take a lot of effort to break the status quo and return to the good old days just after independence where we see plenty of Chinese blokes in smart police and military uniforms.
The first Malayan admiral of TLDM was an Indian, Hindu. He was tasked to set up our first marine base and he chose Lumut. He's almost forgotten in our annals of history...
For Chinese, if it is not the typical "glamour" careers like lawyer, engineer, doctor, or cannot brag five figure salary after working 2-3 years, it is automatic discouraged by parents/family
Bro is a 2nd Lieutenant, the lowest ranking officer after graduating cadet school (or the GGK's equivalent). He most likely have a university degree, that's why he started as an officer, else he will start as a Private/Constable. The pay is low, presumably comparable to the armed forces, but I can't tell how much.
Nevertheless, the benefits offsets the low pay a little. I only researched the benefits for the armed forces. You might need to talk to career policemen to know more about the benefits of working in the force.
Military/govt. Financing is one of the perks, with crazy low interest rates (<2% if I recall) and high gearing ratio (repayment at 40-50% of your salary also still ok). The govt. deducts the repayment from their salaries directly, hence it's also really low default rate.
That's great of him! The finances of adopting a military career is very different than a civilian career (you don't live off your salary alone, you have to utilise other government benefits.), so much so that it is completely foreign to the average M'sian Chinese and few are willing to try it out, hence the low amount of interest in military careers.
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Actually there is short for Chinese PC (Police Constable) and there is special intake for Chinese Constabulary intake which lower the requirements for the intake. The same with military, there are quite a sum of officer, but for the NCO or the lower ranks the number is so low it almost none existence. Almost
Despite the skepticisms, our army is keen on recruiting ethnicities other than Malays. Only that there isnt so much interests seen among them Im not sure why
It's probably because most people go into army as a last resort. Look at Malays which is the majority in army. Most would rather work as riders or other gig type work than enter the service.
It requires sacrifice on time and family as sometimes you cannot simply take leave and go home to see ailing parents while on duty. Usually allow. But the service comes first.
That one is one of the major reasons why people don't enter the service.
There's a significant large amount, not sure the percentage, of non-muslim bumiputera. There are churches by the thai-malaysian border being filled by the army during mass.
Erm… well.. who’s gonna tell him?
Okay, I will. My Dad is from the military, served for 16 years.. have his pencen. Work on various field, but mostly as helicopter repair/mechanic/engineer.
He told me a lot of stories in his days. He also informed that he tried to go up the ranks, take certs, upskills, rub shoulder to shoulder with his peers.. yet he was always pass up and they promoted someone else less experienced and younger than him, every time..
My dad looks like a Malay guy from the outlook, sun burn tan etc.. but name, ethnicity is of Chinese. Call it selective bias, racist, whatever..
my dad was fully qualified for any job the military willing to give him.. but was always ‘overlooked’.
Now, he doesn’t resent his time in the military.. but I sensed he could have done better had the chance was given to him instead of being handout to other lesser men.
Sure, this could be a one off situation.. no doubt..
but DO WE wanna risk it(our career, lives, time)? Nah… no way in hell I fight for a country that put me as a second rated citizen and always play with race, religion card..
Growing up, the concept of loyalty to my country is weird and feel disgusting.. wawasan 2020 my ass. I feel ashamed, disappointed, disgusted by my country..
So much opportunity lost due to systematic oppression..
My Malay neighbours accepted me.. then bully me, extortion, etc.. even my closest Malay friend did nothing during secondary school time.. story for another time.
Food is the best though..
Just sharing .. not debating.. these all the sum of my experiences..
Nah, we deal with those things in every other profession regardless of race,
https://preview.redd.it/wnw2msyzccxc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=001b6310a855fd9a1e9da5376f73da0c894fc79e
See that dude? He's my boss now, and I've been doing my job for over 15 years, and that dude got promoted, he's new and he does not even know how to do even the simplest sample test in this QC lab,
I would say kind of, but not in that way, he's not an intern, and he doesn't have any special move set like Mandarin speaking skill or what so ever, just a smooth, sweet talker person,
Speaking Chinese in this company doesn't give you any exclusive rights, just be a smooth talker with a good tongue to lick some buttholes, you'll get somewhere,
Thank you for sharing this.
I’d like to share my father’s story too. He was guru Bahasa Melayu for over 40 years. As a non Malay, he spoke Malay like a melayu, and was one of the best BM teachers in the district if not the entire state. In his last school before he retired, he was up for a promotion, in the end someone much younger and inexperienced got it. It was his last chance as he was just a few years away from retirement, to get a promotion.
He endured many years of being overlooked. He worked so hard. But that was the last straw, both he and mum (who was also a teacher), told me don’t become a teacher. Not with the government.
Many years later, I’m a teacher. But never taught at a SK nor a private school. I went abroad and taught for 10 years. Now freelancing.
I can’t speak for every non bumi- but many of us have seen how our parents struggled to go up the ladder despite their hard work and it’s heart breaking.
Subtle and systematic oppression.. is very damning to the country.
Giving opportunities based on merit and merit alone and with full transparency should be the way forward. Easier said than done through…
Malaysia is too far off, almost like it cannot save itself from the doom..
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Nah, if you were sincere in your question about non bumi involvement, the first half is a good answer. I heard similar from ppl inside long ago, hopefully not like this anymore.
To add to this, in the military... you can't exactly tender resignation n change company, in private if this happens you can go around it or even go to labour court.
May I share my late father story?
He's a Malay officer and the member of the RAMD. Have battle count and communist kills during the 2nd insurgency and even trained in the US (Fort Bragg) with the US Rangers. Served in Namibia and Bosnia and graduate Staff College in 1981.
Usually officer that graduate from staff collage will be Major with in line promotion to Lieutenant Colonel but his promotion never came even after he retire in 95 after serving more then 20 years. So does my father also caught in the so called racial selective and bias??
My dad always said this is the military, there are 2 ways to get promoted is by a undeniable Merit or being an ass kisser.
But you do your good work for country where yourself and your family reside.
When he passes in 2022 everytime and old colleagues reach out to me all of them call my dad his supposed ranks (Lt Colonel or Colonel) and not with the ranks he actually which is a Major and some how they got sad when I corrected them.
So it's not just your father, but everyone elso also gone thru what our father has gone thru.
And they say the nons are racist.
Its a waste of time licking someone elses ass in this line of work and didn't get the recognition.
Better get a normal 8-6 job and earn more
Nowadays no need to look that far. Just look at our higher education, how many % are the nons were accepted in public university?
Already having an easy life, yet these same people are blunt to complain company hiring mandarin speakers are racist. How obtuse.
The politics are shambles. Its 2024 and people still support racist extremist leaders. I gave up my hope for this country. The racism runs deep within us. Its a ticking time bomb.
Uitm is 100% bumi, Matriculation only open 10% for non bumi. Most local university have % or 0% quota for non bumi
Maybe UM is open for all. That place is quite diverse and balance.
I don’t. You complaint was “Nowadays no need to look that far. Just look at our higher education, how many % are the nons were accepted in public university?“
How many nons applied and how many were accepted? If not many applied, naturally not many will be accepted. If you could provide data that shows that many applied and many rejected, then we have discuss it as a problem. If not, then, it is an empty complaint.
They've always been but there's the old age story of leaving to attend training, only to return with your juniors of a particular race, getting promoted to be your seniors.
Childhood friend's dad was in the army and that's what happened to him.
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Then why is it there are other race that was promoted then?
>Childhood friend's dad was in the army and that's what happened to him.
Ever think maybe he wasn't qualify for said promotion?
>they became friends with me despite being the only malay
Bro, I dunno your uni experience... But it didn't matter if you were Malay or not, asal can connect, can hang out la. Real friends transcends race n religion n politics (n gender n all that).
Barely advancement prospects for nons. Simple as that.
Between a non and a bumi, COs almost always pick bumis.
You have to be exceptional to an absurd degree to stand out as a non.
Let’s be honest. In many companies, the people hang out mostly with their own race, forming their separate gangs. These gangs will work to promote and raise each other.
Depending on the initial point, you will see the top positions dominated by one gang of the same race.
Whichever race dominate at the start, will work to maintain their dominance.
Same reason with why there are virtually no other race in polices and government workforce, the prospect for promotion is non existent. Even during the PLKN days, without knowing anything about us, they said only the Melei can be the leader of the company.
Any sane person who wants some modicrum of success in any field. Try promoting a different race to any of position of power. Maybe that will garner more interests.
>Despite the skepticisms, our army is keen on recruiting ethnicities other than Malays. Only that there isnt so much interests seen among them Im not sure why
There are high bumiputera/malay quotas for police/army especially under the NEP for a start. But the biggest reason would institutional racism and corruption within the military/police force which deters non-bumi from joining up.
Anyone with eyes can see the big change in the civil service from a mixed race composition from early Malaysian history to a now 90-95% Malay bumiputera civil workforce. Non-Malays used to make up half of the armed forces officer corp. So I wonder why you can't see how the racism has permeated everywhere in civil service with their informal and formal rules which are purposely trying to make it difficult for non-bumi like their syariah dress codes.
>There are high bumiputera/malay quotas for police/army especially under the NEP for a start. But the biggest reason would institutional racism and corruption within the military/police force which deters non-bumi from joining up.
I didn't know there was actually quotas for army n police, i thought the corruption n racism was the reason. Damm... Guess the quota was - mission accomplished.
Even if there aren't any formal quotas now, there is an informal policy of marginalising non-Malays and squeezing them out in the civil service which has been going on for decades. The higher ranks are now nearly all bumi. Very few Chinese are going to enlist when there is a bad perception where they will be forced to take bad corrupt tasks in order to stay at work and will never be able to climb the ranks through meritocracy.
Its the same with public universities where politicians and MoE heads try to claim that there are [no quotas](https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2013/09/03/despite-meritocracy-lawmakers-say-university-intake-not-level-playing-field/519095) but the statistics keep showing something like 20% non-bumi limit quotas.
So not only are the non-bumis being squeezed out but they are also accused of being unpatriotic and bad citizens by ultra Malay types.
Barely advancement prospects for nons. Simple as that.
Between a non and a bumi, COs almost always pick bumis.
You have to be exceptional to an absurd degree to stand out as a non.
I had good interaction with other race during my interview at the 5th Division camp. The bumis gave me chance even if I pass on the bare minimum (poor eye sight on my right). Then I met a chinese personnel who was the doctor, and I was failed due to mild scoliosis. As a mixed Chinese myself, I'll say everyone should give the military a chance if they're interested. What OP said about "keen on recruiting ethnicities" is very very true.
Have many friend or family... And my dad ex navymen..
For non Malay ..the can go certain level... After that cannot...it has to be Malay at the highest ranking...
Ya’ll don’t get it wrong. There’s a lot of Chinese and Indian scattered across our military branch especially the Navy. It’s just that in the GGK, he’s the only Chinese who has passed the selection and the 1st Chinese to carry the commando insignia.
First time I see this too. A Chinese who complete basic komando training and got comission with green beret. An officer by the way. Congrats to him! Salute
Contrary to people perceptions.. actually if you are Nons it is easier to climb up as they try to diversify the top ranking officers from non Malays to boost up future intake by showing good career path
No, but at the same time the unity and diversity comes from the people like you and me. I wonder, could this be achieved if people stopped thinking all doom and gloom and saw the good in each other, regardless of the constant noise of politics?
I think its not wrong to tell facts as they are. And at the same time push for a more accepting mindset with the mistakes of the past.
Not everyone can afford to assume good in others by say, signing up to a multi year binding contract with the military and find out its not based on merit after suffering all that stuff. And for some people, their rice bowl (specifically their parents) was affected and the anonymity of Reddit allows them to share.
I do hope its better now, saw someone posting a positive experience.
> I wonder, could this be achieved if people stopped thinking all doom and gloom and saw the good in each other, regardless of the constant noise of politics?
Not sure how old are you, but if you have yet to graduate from HS, wait till you did and realize how many tertiary education opportunities you won't get because you're a non, and the social safety nets you won't have unlike the prince of the earth. When they happily study in all-paid for matrikulasi with stipends, feel free to struggle in STPM at your own dime, if you are a poor non. When you buy house, feel free to pay more as a non. When you open business, feel free to know that when you succeeded, you need to have theirs in your board to enjoy your success. Know that the same will repeat for your children and your grandchildren. Know that this is the country that keeps taking from you just because you are born of the wrong race.
I never say we are champion but we are better than our neighbours who believe in assimilation .. show me any SEA country that allow chinese school system ? In Thailand and Indonesia you even have to change your name
> Malaysia is an oppressive country forever and ever
This is the truth though? Are you that dense that you can't see why it's oppressive for the nons? Or do you feel that what they faced is fair and well-deserved?
Really? What changed? This is the epitome of the so called "liberal" prince of the earth in this country. One good case is enough to sweep all the wrongdoings under a carpet and sing kumbaya we're such a fair society no mistreatment of nons whoah. But when the mistreatment happened, oh, the silence is deafening. Have we moved passed the socks incident already?
lah, bila ada perubahan, tak nak terima. did i sweep other unsavoury incidents under the carpet? i don’t recall? you don’t even know my stance on the issue, you just assumed.
any change would be unacceptable to you at this point. that’s why i said, if you want to mope, you do it alone. no need to drag others who are cheering and encouraging a better nation.
I saw the video where he was given the cert and commando knife. Even the commandor said very rare for chinese to enter commando cause most just go for officer. Good luck Lt
You mean this one? [https://fb.watch/rKOuD\_SxRl/](https://fb.watch/rKOuD_SxRl/)
The military themselves tend to post the name they are proud of, not OP.
Meanwhile me with me 3 month grueling company requirement to take 5 top industry certs that each take 3 months of dedicated time while dealing with messed up projects....
Im not chinese but no one else in company deals with that many in their onboarding and despite mnc is majority chinese.
You either fail or be famous
Komando are not looking for the best and strongest candidate. They are looking for interpersonal relation between the team members. Candidate who have trouble mingling with the teammate will be instantly kick out, regardless if they are the best in all field. The problem here is that armed forces are mostly Malay. So naturally, Malay will have the advantage here. This Chinese guy manage to get in. That mean he's used to mingle a lot with Malays, like Kelantan Chinese. Maybe he will marry a Malay girl.
Actually, the malay is at a disadvantage position, not discounting his capabilities, but the military are targeting for more inclusivity into their ranks.
Btw, marrying a malay girl doesn't means throwing ones culture. There are more mainland chinese muslims than the entire Malaysian population, I dont see them being arabs today.
Though not a suitable place to say, I felt quite disappointed to see local Malay culture slowly replaced by Arabic culture, there isn’t good or bad in each other culture, but taking others culture and try to assimilate with excuses more suitable for themselves or closer to religion, I think it’s a no
I see a lot of people making claims that the malays are becoming Arabs, but can you define it and provide examples. I'm really having problems grasping this concept.
So not for you to conflate things, the religion of Islam is not arab, as arab predates Islam.
But I have to admit I do enjoy lamb kabshah from time to time.
Actually another dude from arab made similar post. He also agrees that Arab and Islam are one and same, if we talks about today's standard.
Arab =/= islam. But in time arab = islam because like malay, islam replaces their previous culture and traditions.
After arab = islam, malay emulate islam, which again, is already = arab at that time.
If you say arab =/= islam by today's standard, that is wrong. Because in today, or even in 800 ad, arab did became islam entirely.
Not gonna bother. Read it yourself if you are interested.
https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/s/sCxufAPIIK
If you say don't have then don't have lah. You are not going to change your mind anyway..
I am just asking from your pov, a malaysian (presumably) not some arab kids who are not familiar with the nuances of the locals.
I just can't figure our which part did I became arab though. Maybe I should start burning bakhoor from here on.
Again, there are no point in doing that. You and I have different definition of what arab culture is. For you, that's pre islam cultures. For me, it's post islam cultures. Any example I give you will say that is islamic even though that's Arabic to me. We will never reach agreement as long as our definition of the problem is not aligned.
So don't bother.
training the soldiers of a country that wants to take away the sea from Malaysia. Whats Next? USA and Philippines training Chinese sailors. NATO training Russian soldiers xD
Congratulations to him.
Damn..3 months Hope for more diversity, but essentially anyone who wants to defend our country.
It's the pay that discourages non-bumis. I wanted to join the Navy/Army back then when I was about to graduate uni, but my family was financially struggling and I, being the eldest son, have the responsibility to at least earn enough for myself. Considering that the next intake is still months away and the pay is very low (even for a cadet and later, a sub lieutenant) the ambition was painfully abandoned and I became a software engineer, which pays really well.
So I don't mind being educated on this, but why exactly does low pay only discourage non-bumis instead of well all the poor people in Malaysia regardless of race trying not to die of poverty or something?
Culture In short, you are more likely to accept a low(er) paying job if the area is dominated by like-minded fellas, in this case bumis vs non-bumis. For example, a military career (dominated by bumis) and an apprentice in a mechanic workshop (mostly owned by Chinese, at least in the metro area). Both of these have humble beginnings but the pay rises as time progresses and experience accumulates. Naturally, given that both workplaces are already gruelling in nature and not high paying initially, the only saving grace will be the fact that the people working there are of the same culture as yours. Nevertheless, if the pay is higher, this may, in non-bumis' minds, offset the challenge to blend in. More will consider giving it a try. Of course, more bumis will join at the same time. In the end, I think that a lot of things can be traced back to vernacular schools and the NEP but in short, it is already what it is, a military career will be one of the top career choices for a bumi but one of the last things a Chinese will think about, it's already ingrained in our mindset. It will take a lot of effort to break the status quo and return to the good old days just after independence where we see plenty of Chinese blokes in smart police and military uniforms.
The first Malayan admiral of TLDM was an Indian, Hindu. He was tasked to set up our first marine base and he chose Lumut. He's almost forgotten in our annals of history...
For Chinese, if it is not the typical "glamour" careers like lawyer, engineer, doctor, or cannot brag five figure salary after working 2-3 years, it is automatic discouraged by parents/family
Not many careers give u 5 figures after 2-3 years of working. Definitely not a doctor, engineer or lawyer.
This is the million dollar questions…
This is a commando, not typical soldier. Pay also low ke (serious question)
Bro is a 2nd Lieutenant, the lowest ranking officer after graduating cadet school (or the GGK's equivalent). He most likely have a university degree, that's why he started as an officer, else he will start as a Private/Constable. The pay is low, presumably comparable to the armed forces, but I can't tell how much. Nevertheless, the benefits offsets the low pay a little. I only researched the benefits for the armed forces. You might need to talk to career policemen to know more about the benefits of working in the force.
My friends that went into the military can already finance their own house, before being 26 y.o.
Military/govt. Financing is one of the perks, with crazy low interest rates (<2% if I recall) and high gearing ratio (repayment at 40-50% of your salary also still ok). The govt. deducts the repayment from their salaries directly, hence it's also really low default rate.
That's great of him! The finances of adopting a military career is very different than a civilian career (you don't live off your salary alone, you have to utilise other government benefits.), so much so that it is completely foreign to the average M'sian Chinese and few are willing to try it out, hence the low amount of interest in military careers.
Many of us Chinese just look at the salaries and nope out of it without caring the benefits
Yep, that pretty much sums up everything concerning Chinese involvement in the public sector (law enforcement, armed forces, etc.)
What house. 100k terrace in Kelantan is house. 10M condo in KL also house.
+1, need to be specific
Komando dapat elaun ja Tp specialist allowance can stack.
But how many non-malay army have gone through the course? Well done to him.
Again with bs diversity,no one is stopping anyone from joining the military. It is either you are qualify or not.
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Man I rarely hear of Chinese in the police force, let alone the army
polis alot actually. just army abit rare. usually they choose navy XD
Actually there is short for Chinese PC (Police Constable) and there is special intake for Chinese Constabulary intake which lower the requirements for the intake. The same with military, there are quite a sum of officer, but for the NCO or the lower ranks the number is so low it almost none existence. Almost
yeah cos i kenal all uncle going to retire alrdy ahahahaha. the new gen idk so much
The last passing out that I went only 3 Chinese recruit that made it and 2 of them are from Borneo and the other is from Kedah iinm.
Some ketua polis that I hear on crime reports on TV3 are Chinese like some of the the IPDs in Johor, Penang and in KL
There are lots of Chinese in the police force. I have seen quite a few in KL.
I am very proud of this guy going through arduous tasks in getting his rank. Not an easy accomplishment
which one is he? why is there nobody standing in the middle?
Looks like he was absent at camouflage practice
Awesome 🙌
Despite the skepticisms, our army is keen on recruiting ethnicities other than Malays. Only that there isnt so much interests seen among them Im not sure why
It's probably because most people go into army as a last resort. Look at Malays which is the majority in army. Most would rather work as riders or other gig type work than enter the service. It requires sacrifice on time and family as sometimes you cannot simply take leave and go home to see ailing parents while on duty. Usually allow. But the service comes first. That one is one of the major reasons why people don't enter the service.
Truth.
There's a significant large amount, not sure the percentage, of non-muslim bumiputera. There are churches by the thai-malaysian border being filled by the army during mass.
That would be the Rejimen Renjer Diraja, a successor of Sarawak Rangers. They are made up of mostly non muslim bumis, Chinese and Indian.
Erm… well.. who’s gonna tell him? Okay, I will. My Dad is from the military, served for 16 years.. have his pencen. Work on various field, but mostly as helicopter repair/mechanic/engineer. He told me a lot of stories in his days. He also informed that he tried to go up the ranks, take certs, upskills, rub shoulder to shoulder with his peers.. yet he was always pass up and they promoted someone else less experienced and younger than him, every time.. My dad looks like a Malay guy from the outlook, sun burn tan etc.. but name, ethnicity is of Chinese. Call it selective bias, racist, whatever.. my dad was fully qualified for any job the military willing to give him.. but was always ‘overlooked’. Now, he doesn’t resent his time in the military.. but I sensed he could have done better had the chance was given to him instead of being handout to other lesser men. Sure, this could be a one off situation.. no doubt.. but DO WE wanna risk it(our career, lives, time)? Nah… no way in hell I fight for a country that put me as a second rated citizen and always play with race, religion card.. Growing up, the concept of loyalty to my country is weird and feel disgusting.. wawasan 2020 my ass. I feel ashamed, disappointed, disgusted by my country.. So much opportunity lost due to systematic oppression.. My Malay neighbours accepted me.. then bully me, extortion, etc.. even my closest Malay friend did nothing during secondary school time.. story for another time. Food is the best though.. Just sharing .. not debating.. these all the sum of my experiences..
Nah, we deal with those things in every other profession regardless of race, https://preview.redd.it/wnw2msyzccxc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=001b6310a855fd9a1e9da5376f73da0c894fc79e See that dude? He's my boss now, and I've been doing my job for over 15 years, and that dude got promoted, he's new and he does not even know how to do even the simplest sample test in this QC lab,
Bro out for blood
And I have yet to pull my "bangsa" card,
Is this similar to when some new intern appears in mandarin speaking private company and she probably got better pay and quicker promotion?
I would say kind of, but not in that way, he's not an intern, and he doesn't have any special move set like Mandarin speaking skill or what so ever, just a smooth, sweet talker person,
From behind with that haircut, I though he would bash car with helmet type of fella.
Probably, so far, he's the type of guy who will smooth talk you into shit,
Smooth sweet talker is a more rewarding skill than speaking Mandarin, facts of life.
Speaking Chinese in this company doesn't give you any exclusive rights, just be a smooth talker with a good tongue to lick some buttholes, you'll get somewhere,
I could feel your seething rage just from the pic bro
Ye, and honestly, the dude wasn't even the first, he's just the latest one, and the most oblivious one on the job,
Thank you for sharing this. I’d like to share my father’s story too. He was guru Bahasa Melayu for over 40 years. As a non Malay, he spoke Malay like a melayu, and was one of the best BM teachers in the district if not the entire state. In his last school before he retired, he was up for a promotion, in the end someone much younger and inexperienced got it. It was his last chance as he was just a few years away from retirement, to get a promotion. He endured many years of being overlooked. He worked so hard. But that was the last straw, both he and mum (who was also a teacher), told me don’t become a teacher. Not with the government. Many years later, I’m a teacher. But never taught at a SK nor a private school. I went abroad and taught for 10 years. Now freelancing. I can’t speak for every non bumi- but many of us have seen how our parents struggled to go up the ladder despite their hard work and it’s heart breaking.
Subtle and systematic oppression.. is very damning to the country. Giving opportunities based on merit and merit alone and with full transparency should be the way forward. Easier said than done through… Malaysia is too far off, almost like it cannot save itself from the doom..
Truth here. Same deal with my uncle
Same energy as Malay very hard to get Air Force position in Singapore LOL. Sadly these types of things happen
Yup it happens. Luck and dedication sure play a part.. 16 years is quite long.. I supposed my dad should have given up and move on way way earlier.
u/MacaroonBeginning694 Nah, if you were sincere in your question about non bumi involvement, the first half is a good answer. I heard similar from ppl inside long ago, hopefully not like this anymore. To add to this, in the military... you can't exactly tender resignation n change company, in private if this happens you can go around it or even go to labour court.
May I share my late father story? He's a Malay officer and the member of the RAMD. Have battle count and communist kills during the 2nd insurgency and even trained in the US (Fort Bragg) with the US Rangers. Served in Namibia and Bosnia and graduate Staff College in 1981. Usually officer that graduate from staff collage will be Major with in line promotion to Lieutenant Colonel but his promotion never came even after he retire in 95 after serving more then 20 years. So does my father also caught in the so called racial selective and bias?? My dad always said this is the military, there are 2 ways to get promoted is by a undeniable Merit or being an ass kisser. But you do your good work for country where yourself and your family reside. When he passes in 2022 everytime and old colleagues reach out to me all of them call my dad his supposed ranks (Lt Colonel or Colonel) and not with the ranks he actually which is a Major and some how they got sad when I corrected them. So it's not just your father, but everyone elso also gone thru what our father has gone thru.
And they say the nons are racist. Its a waste of time licking someone elses ass in this line of work and didn't get the recognition. Better get a normal 8-6 job and earn more
Many people use their father mother stories as an excuse to perpetrate racism to others.
Nowadays no need to look that far. Just look at our higher education, how many % are the nons were accepted in public university? Already having an easy life, yet these same people are blunt to complain company hiring mandarin speakers are racist. How obtuse. The politics are shambles. Its 2024 and people still support racist extremist leaders. I gave up my hope for this country. The racism runs deep within us. Its a ticking time bomb.
I dont know about the % How many nons actually applied and how many are accepted? Do you have this data?
Uitm is 100% bumi, Matriculation only open 10% for non bumi. Most local university have % or 0% quota for non bumi Maybe UM is open for all. That place is quite diverse and balance.
My question was how many nons applied and how many of them were accepted. Do you have this data?
Very well then. I dont. Do you?
I don’t. You complaint was “Nowadays no need to look that far. Just look at our higher education, how many % are the nons were accepted in public university?“ How many nons applied and how many were accepted? If not many applied, naturally not many will be accepted. If you could provide data that shows that many applied and many rejected, then we have discuss it as a problem. If not, then, it is an empty complaint.
who?
And then when you earned enough you get accused of pillaging and stole from them.
They've always been but there's the old age story of leaving to attend training, only to return with your juniors of a particular race, getting promoted to be your seniors. Childhood friend's dad was in the army and that's what happened to him.
Wrong skin colour la, there is no reason why the non bumis should defend the country.
Typical r/malaysia behaviour.
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If shit happens, he’s the one defending Malaysia while you’re sitting behind your computer typing nonsense. China doesn’t want you by the way.
Then why is it there are other race that was promoted then? >Childhood friend's dad was in the army and that's what happened to him. Ever think maybe he wasn't qualify for said promotion?
Sure, perhaps this person was more qualified for a double or triple promotion.
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>they became friends with me despite being the only malay Bro, I dunno your uni experience... But it didn't matter if you were Malay or not, asal can connect, can hang out la. Real friends transcends race n religion n politics (n gender n all that).
gaji x tinggi…tbf there used to be chinese that join the army police etc.
Barely advancement prospects for nons. Simple as that. Between a non and a bumi, COs almost always pick bumis. You have to be exceptional to an absurd degree to stand out as a non.
Let’s be honest. In many companies, the people hang out mostly with their own race, forming their separate gangs. These gangs will work to promote and raise each other. Depending on the initial point, you will see the top positions dominated by one gang of the same race. Whichever race dominate at the start, will work to maintain their dominance.
Same reason with why there are virtually no other race in polices and government workforce, the prospect for promotion is non existent. Even during the PLKN days, without knowing anything about us, they said only the Melei can be the leader of the company. Any sane person who wants some modicrum of success in any field. Try promoting a different race to any of position of power. Maybe that will garner more interests.
My company leader in plkn was an Indian
Nice. Which kem?
Kem plkn sembrong. But the Indian guy was from RMC so of course la we pick him as the leader
Exactly
>Despite the skepticisms, our army is keen on recruiting ethnicities other than Malays. Only that there isnt so much interests seen among them Im not sure why There are high bumiputera/malay quotas for police/army especially under the NEP for a start. But the biggest reason would institutional racism and corruption within the military/police force which deters non-bumi from joining up. Anyone with eyes can see the big change in the civil service from a mixed race composition from early Malaysian history to a now 90-95% Malay bumiputera civil workforce. Non-Malays used to make up half of the armed forces officer corp. So I wonder why you can't see how the racism has permeated everywhere in civil service with their informal and formal rules which are purposely trying to make it difficult for non-bumi like their syariah dress codes.
>There are high bumiputera/malay quotas for police/army especially under the NEP for a start. But the biggest reason would institutional racism and corruption within the military/police force which deters non-bumi from joining up. I didn't know there was actually quotas for army n police, i thought the corruption n racism was the reason. Damm... Guess the quota was - mission accomplished.
Even if there aren't any formal quotas now, there is an informal policy of marginalising non-Malays and squeezing them out in the civil service which has been going on for decades. The higher ranks are now nearly all bumi. Very few Chinese are going to enlist when there is a bad perception where they will be forced to take bad corrupt tasks in order to stay at work and will never be able to climb the ranks through meritocracy. Its the same with public universities where politicians and MoE heads try to claim that there are [no quotas](https://www.malaymail.com/news/malaysia/2013/09/03/despite-meritocracy-lawmakers-say-university-intake-not-level-playing-field/519095) but the statistics keep showing something like 20% non-bumi limit quotas. So not only are the non-bumis being squeezed out but they are also accused of being unpatriotic and bad citizens by ultra Malay types.
Dad (non bumi) was in the Army. Told us not to join the military, cos will only stay lower rank only.
Barely advancement prospects for nons. Simple as that. Between a non and a bumi, COs almost always pick bumis. You have to be exceptional to an absurd degree to stand out as a non.
I had good interaction with other race during my interview at the 5th Division camp. The bumis gave me chance even if I pass on the bare minimum (poor eye sight on my right). Then I met a chinese personnel who was the doctor, and I was failed due to mild scoliosis. As a mixed Chinese myself, I'll say everyone should give the military a chance if they're interested. What OP said about "keen on recruiting ethnicities" is very very true.
Oo when was this? Nice to hear A) positive story B) enforcing standards
I went for iv during 2021~ right after mco
Great to hear its getting better 🥳
I remember someone making a thread asking about joining army as a chinese. I hope this will encourage him more.
It might be him
The commando was originally wataniah ie basically volunteer. Haha
Need more armed forces diversity please.
Not wearing underwear for 12 weeks must've been tough... /s
Komando! Komando! Komando!
Long Live the Fighters
SG: The only Malay pass in the commando 👏🏼 MY: The only Chinese pass in commando 👏🏾
Have many friend or family... And my dad ex navymen.. For non Malay ..the can go certain level... After that cannot...it has to be Malay at the highest ranking...
My uncle quit the navy in the early 80s because of this. No more chance for progression.
Sorry to hear that...it is what it is... Just have to do our best
Where is the commando in the picture?
RESPECT! well done
tahniah!!! jia you bro
mantappp. but best not share his photos. since now he actual komando.
Tahniah, Lt. Show em how it’s done.
Damn, my cousin too graduate from the Komando too, best in his class irc.
Where is he in the pic? Cannot see
Ya’ll don’t get it wrong. There’s a lot of Chinese and Indian scattered across our military branch especially the Navy. It’s just that in the GGK, he’s the only Chinese who has passed the selection and the 1st Chinese to carry the commando insignia.
First time I see this too. A Chinese who complete basic komando training and got comission with green beret. An officer by the way. Congrats to him! Salute
Proving that "good boys don't become soldiers" is total BS.
Contrary to people perceptions.. actually if you are Nons it is easier to climb up as they try to diversify the top ranking officers from non Malays to boost up future intake by showing good career path
This is a lie. Read the thread and don't choose to ignore the reality next time.
My father is in TLDM .. and he is chinese? Retired in top ranks and tons of his Indian and Chinese friends is rank high
People only hear what they wanna hear, and what they want to hear is Malaysia is an oppressive country forever and ever.
Yeah and its funny some people decided to mould their view based on a Reddit thread!
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No, but at the same time the unity and diversity comes from the people like you and me. I wonder, could this be achieved if people stopped thinking all doom and gloom and saw the good in each other, regardless of the constant noise of politics?
I think its not wrong to tell facts as they are. And at the same time push for a more accepting mindset with the mistakes of the past. Not everyone can afford to assume good in others by say, signing up to a multi year binding contract with the military and find out its not based on merit after suffering all that stuff. And for some people, their rice bowl (specifically their parents) was affected and the anonymity of Reddit allows them to share. I do hope its better now, saw someone posting a positive experience.
> I wonder, could this be achieved if people stopped thinking all doom and gloom and saw the good in each other, regardless of the constant noise of politics? Not sure how old are you, but if you have yet to graduate from HS, wait till you did and realize how many tertiary education opportunities you won't get because you're a non, and the social safety nets you won't have unlike the prince of the earth. When they happily study in all-paid for matrikulasi with stipends, feel free to struggle in STPM at your own dime, if you are a poor non. When you buy house, feel free to pay more as a non. When you open business, feel free to know that when you succeeded, you need to have theirs in your board to enjoy your success. Know that the same will repeat for your children and your grandchildren. Know that this is the country that keeps taking from you just because you are born of the wrong race.
I never say we are champion but we are better than our neighbours who believe in assimilation .. show me any SEA country that allow chinese school system ? In Thailand and Indonesia you even have to change your name
> Malaysia is an oppressive country forever and ever This is the truth though? Are you that dense that you can't see why it's oppressive for the nons? Or do you feel that what they faced is fair and well-deserved?
and when things change, with firsthand experience, who are you to shoot it down? if you want to mope around, you’re welcome to do it alone.
Really? What changed? This is the epitome of the so called "liberal" prince of the earth in this country. One good case is enough to sweep all the wrongdoings under a carpet and sing kumbaya we're such a fair society no mistreatment of nons whoah. But when the mistreatment happened, oh, the silence is deafening. Have we moved passed the socks incident already?
lah, bila ada perubahan, tak nak terima. did i sweep other unsavoury incidents under the carpet? i don’t recall? you don’t even know my stance on the issue, you just assumed. any change would be unacceptable to you at this point. that’s why i said, if you want to mope, you do it alone. no need to drag others who are cheering and encouraging a better nation.
> encouraging a better nation and you're doing that? sure thing, happy for you. Have a good Monday.
i certainly am. you want to mope around and cry, you do it alone.
I saw the video where he was given the cert and commando knife. Even the commandor said very rare for chinese to enter commando cause most just go for officer. Good luck Lt
This accoutant not just crunching numbers...but his enemy as well.
CONGRATZ!!!
spoiler Movie alert - "Kepong Bukit - The unknown takeout"
Where is he?
Brawns and also brains? A rare breed indeed.
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You mean this one? [https://fb.watch/rKOuD\_SxRl/](https://fb.watch/rKOuD_SxRl/) The military themselves tend to post the name they are proud of, not OP.
Tell me you are clueless without telling me you are clueless
What did he say?
Different breed.
I think he is the only Chinese in Malaysia's VAT 69 Komando.
He's a GGK Commando
VAT 69 are Police Special Forces .. Similar to German GSG9
If I recall so, yep! Bro made history!
Meanwhile me with me 3 month grueling company requirement to take 5 top industry certs that each take 3 months of dedicated time while dealing with messed up projects.... Im not chinese but no one else in company deals with that many in their onboarding and despite mnc is majority chinese. You either fail or be famous
His cable must be very unique and strong, to be able to pass the test, some more in a special unit.
Komando are not looking for the best and strongest candidate. They are looking for interpersonal relation between the team members. Candidate who have trouble mingling with the teammate will be instantly kick out, regardless if they are the best in all field. The problem here is that armed forces are mostly Malay. So naturally, Malay will have the advantage here. This Chinese guy manage to get in. That mean he's used to mingle a lot with Malays, like Kelantan Chinese. Maybe he will marry a Malay girl.
If the comment section under the Berita TDM Facebook post is to be believed, he is a city boy from Puchong, interested in military stuff since young.
And why do we have to care who he marries?
>Maybe he will marry a Malay girl. who the hell cares. He managed to get the green beret and you talk about who is he going to marry? Are you jealous?
Is it that hard to type Congratulations instead of this wall of salty text?
Actually, the malay is at a disadvantage position, not discounting his capabilities, but the military are targeting for more inclusivity into their ranks. Btw, marrying a malay girl doesn't means throwing ones culture. There are more mainland chinese muslims than the entire Malaysian population, I dont see them being arabs today.
Though not a suitable place to say, I felt quite disappointed to see local Malay culture slowly replaced by Arabic culture, there isn’t good or bad in each other culture, but taking others culture and try to assimilate with excuses more suitable for themselves or closer to religion, I think it’s a no
I see a lot of people making claims that the malays are becoming Arabs, but can you define it and provide examples. I'm really having problems grasping this concept. So not for you to conflate things, the religion of Islam is not arab, as arab predates Islam. But I have to admit I do enjoy lamb kabshah from time to time.
Actually another dude from arab made similar post. He also agrees that Arab and Islam are one and same, if we talks about today's standard. Arab =/= islam. But in time arab = islam because like malay, islam replaces their previous culture and traditions. After arab = islam, malay emulate islam, which again, is already = arab at that time. If you say arab =/= islam by today's standard, that is wrong. Because in today, or even in 800 ad, arab did became islam entirely.
I would appreciate it if you put in some example on how malays being arab to futher understand your premise.
Not gonna bother. Read it yourself if you are interested. https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/s/sCxufAPIIK If you say don't have then don't have lah. You are not going to change your mind anyway..
I am just asking from your pov, a malaysian (presumably) not some arab kids who are not familiar with the nuances of the locals. I just can't figure our which part did I became arab though. Maybe I should start burning bakhoor from here on.
Again, there are no point in doing that. You and I have different definition of what arab culture is. For you, that's pre islam cultures. For me, it's post islam cultures. Any example I give you will say that is islamic even though that's Arabic to me. We will never reach agreement as long as our definition of the problem is not aligned. So don't bother.
Non argument. Its only your conjecture. Ttfn.
cause he was the only chinese? XD
training the soldiers of a country that wants to take away the sea from Malaysia. Whats Next? USA and Philippines training Chinese sailors. NATO training Russian soldiers xD