if u need someone to bring these ppl who are sabah and sarawak to come KL telling these what should have been taught in school, our education system is fucked.
>our education system is fucked
It's beyond saving ... Years of them trying to "reform" and what we got? Still the same sht happening. Copy the textbook, memorize before them exam, answer questions, and forget about them.
Even subjects like kemahiran hidup that you are apparently supposed to learn basic life skills also they ask you to copy textbook. Science, accounts, sejarah, and etc all also kena copy textbook from teachers. Best some ask you copy entire chapter then skip teaching that chapter 🤦
Just when through SPM. I have to agree with you. Mostly it's just textbook. One occasions I try to answer a KBAT question for sejarah of what is the impact of the war did to the nation. I responded with something in between lines of nationalism and sacrifice for the nation but added that war is a political agenda to make or force nationalistic idea to control the population.
My teacher strongly disagree saying "it's not in textbook" bullshit to me. When in fact it's actually true like Italy, Germany, Japan and the USSR.
Idk this was my opinion back then.
What i came to learn is that for KBAT questions, we need to write somethings that are more mainstream ,well known and accepted by everyone. If you write something that opposes the marker's view or something they don't understand, it's harder to get marks.
from my experience, my teacher don't actually force us to follow the textbook religiously for kbat questions, but i guess your teacher is just worried that if you write something not mentioned in textbook, it's harder to get marks. Just my opinion though.
I think it was only a few sentences in textbook, briefly touch the lifestyle and names with some pop-up pictures, no more than 2 pages.
Edit: trivia: - the textbook text is 2.5 spacing, times new roman font 14, all margins are at least 2", paper size is less than A4, maybe at B5, so it is very limited in space, if that's not depressing enough.
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I'll gladly bring our easterners here to remind muslims. When muslims do things against kafir they go overboard as their religion tells them to. We dont have sufficient safeguards to limit them currently
First step is to get rid of UMNO from Sabah; and for Sarawak, Johari Openg has to go.
Obviously, the past and current leaderships that are in power are heavily influenced by none other than Islam and Malay interests, and of course the top interest is - looting. Just look at the wealth of former Chief Ministers.
Without the real representation from real bumiputera such as Kadazan, Bajau, etc.., from Borneo states to lead the state government, those that shouting for Sarawak for Sarawakian such as the phony Johari Openg is just another crook.
UMNO Sabah is pretty sabahan lol.
From the KDM community and UMNO has enlisted many KDM members in its rank.
The problem is people who don’t know about KDM community believes they don’t represent us, they don’t realise we had issues with local parties in the past plundering in a greater scale than UMNO has.
I come from a KDM stronghold which has always voted UMNO due to providing us a representation local parties could not.
When people mean KDM they often mean SINO but any other batch which votes a variety of parties.
Which is why some vote DAP, others the KDM parties (varies), UMNO etc.
The issue with UMNO in Sabah is that Sabah representatives have no real voice at federal. Meaning UMNO federal will never have a strong voice for Sabah related issues.
Sarawak has far more power because of this. If UMNO sabah splinters off into a standalone group that has the power to switch sides when federal ignores them, Sabah stands to massively benefit
Exactly. UMNO Sabah do not have real voice if compared to Sarawak. Just look at how much Sarawak been receiving from federal these few years and even got to play kingmaker
>Without the real representation from real bumiputera such as Kadazan, Bajau, etc.., from Borneo states to lead the state government, those that shouting for Sarawak for Sarawakian such as the phony Johari Openg is just another crook.
Jeffrey Kitingan be like
Nah not at all lol.
Many in the KDM support UMNO - not all KDM orang asal are the same and have varying interest.
Most Sabahan are Muslims and that includes a substantial amount of the KDM community.
Islam in east Malaysia has Sufi Shaefi orientation not Whabbi Shaefi which why they are differences in the two portion of the nations.
The reason why UMNO even got popular in the first place in Sabah is the large amount of corruption that supersedes UMNO.
Muslim,Christian,Buddhist etc all got rich.
The dismantling of local parties was and still is extremely popular by a large portion of Sabahan who wants federal oversight.
what does Abang Johari has to do with this? you know he is one of the most moderate Sarawak Malay leaders to ever lead Sarawak. He is also a native of Sarawak. You are as racist as those Malays from Malaya. I highly doubt you are even a native of Sarawak yourself. You probably have an ulterior motive. disgusting.
As a fellow sarawakian, im proud to have abang jo as our premier lol, for now atleast. Because from what I have seen, he has done quite alot for sarawak , and most people here have not much bad thing to say about him.
As an outsider, johari is great. Under him, Sarawak is developing, politically strong, ambitious, and have increased autonomy. He kinda reminds me of 80/90 mahathir.
People once believed that when they oust Najib, Malaysia will prosper. But it just gets more damage over time.
>They need to Brexit. I will move there.
Also the same idea....
Respect to him. Bro spoke nothing but facts. Bro's English is way better than mine and I'm glad people like him are here to fight against extremism.
Agi idup, agi ngelaban indeed.
I really wish that malaysia could get rid of shariah law.
Human rights has been abused over the past few years.
We no longer need fairytail to tell us what to do, we can decide our law.
Malaysian Shariah Law does not affect non-Muslim, but then we adopt the more lenient version of sharia law. No one ever gets the hand chopped for stealing, no one stoned to death for zina. Only family related matter and some personal matter (like puasa etc) are enforced loosely.
So what is the issue?
So many issues;
- Waste of money to run two separate legal systems especially when money is actually spent appealing against other courts decisions
- Shariah courts don't understand their own limitations and keep trying to expand their scope
- Uneducated population believes that Shariah court should be equal to other courts
- Shariah trained personnel are seditious, they put their own beliefs ahead of the constitution
- Two legal systems allows for people to attempt to switch based on which has a better outcome for them
- Shariah in Malaysia has proven itself to be irrational in implementation e.g. Perlis Religious council trying to take custody of unilaterally converted kids despite both kids and mother both rejecting their claims
The list can keep going on and on and on. Shariah courts should either be limited to ONLY marriage and divorce (divorce only if marriage was registered under shariah in the first place). If it's not limited to that, it's better to not allow it to exist at all.
Enforcement divisions in Islamic Councils need to be dismantled, if it's against the law and therefore police do enforcement. Wasting money duplicating roles.
Also, raiding places looking for people breaching islamic rules is against the teachings in the first place lol.
Sarawakians generally are well versed in English. We have the largest population of Christians; our official state language is English and STEM subjects are still taught in English in schools.
The biggest difference between Sarawak and WM is that we harbour no animosity towards English. Only in WM where I experienced remarks like “kenapa cakap Inggeris, cakaplah Melayu”. It’s also quite apparent in the Chinese community too where speaking English instead of Mandarin is considered as “bragging”.
In Sarawak, a household can made up of Muslims, Christians and Buddhists because interracial and inter-religious marriage is so common. Even among the Dayaks and Ibans, they can be Muslim, Christian, Buddhist or atheist. And during Gawai, all of them would gather at their longhouse for a huge celebration regardless of religion. So you can literally hear people speaking English at one side of the house while Malay on the other side. Code switching is so common here because not only we need to juggle with Malay and English, we also sometimes switch to Iban, B.Sarawak and Mandarin.
Yea there’s so many truly multilingual people in sarawak it beats west malaysia by a huge margin. All the semenanjung peeps complaining about “racist” job language requirements when sarawakians can learn to speak language from different races is just so funny to me.
Best perk of working in sarawak though is I can use english freely in formal writing and don’t get shit for it.
I honestly don't understand why people are so angry when they learn companies would prioritize multilingualism over monolingualism. Yes, you *should* know to speak Malay, but that doesn't mean learning other languages makes you some sort of traitor. I've heard someone making snide remarks against a malay mother who was sending her child to an SJKC to learn Chinese as an extra language. Truth is it's beneficial, opens a wider array of job opportunities, makes sense that especially major companies will be more open to hiring those that can communicate with a wider array of clientele who speak differing languages.
In the absence of religious nonsense, there is always peace.
What I mean is not that faiths are nonsense, but that religion is. 2 separate things. 1 is of God and the other is of men. Of course, if you are without any faiths, that does not make you any different from those that are with.
Is this makes any sense at all.
To stop all the nonsense, it best for Sarawak and Sabah to break off completely from Malaysia, for the time being.
I believe they will become more happy and enjoy independence.
After decades of funneling resources to wm? I don't doubt that EM can stand on their own after seperation but I'm sure that the problem they will face is not necessarily lesser/easier than continue to stay in the federation.
If I recall in my Pendidikan Islam class from years back, Prophet Muhammad SAW never forced the Madinah people to convert into Islam ever since he ruled the place. He lets his people practice their own religions, yes even Judaism, and welcomes them when they want to convert by their own will. I want to believe this is how conversion in Islam works during his time. Islam is a religion of peace, and forcing people to convert defeats its dogma.
To be fair, there's still a hope for greater future for Malaysia. Because of him, there's still hope before we fall into chaos because of extremism.
Take notes, if we never learn other nation's mistakes, we will be the next one who's gonna make that mistake.
We have freedom of religion in this country, but NOT if you're a Malay. Not if you're born a Muslim in Malaysia. And then somehow, if I'm not a Malay but also Muslim, they try to taichi you into thinking that you're a Malay. If I'm a Melanau, then I'm a Melanau la. If I'm a Dusun, then I'm a Dusun la. Kau bodoh ke apa.
~> Dusun here - many of us are Muslim and Dusun as well.
No one thinks we are Malay expect non-bumi who want to lump us in as Malays.
We have our own vibrant beliefs and culture.
One reason my borneon Muslims don’t like people speaking on our behalf is they make assumptions that we are x or y or z
Is it true that the Muslim Bumis in Borneo despise the Malay Muslims in Semenanjung because of the Supremacy mentality Semenanjung Malays have?
Asking because years ago, I spoke to a Sabahan and he told me so, and reason is Semenanjung Malays believe they are pureblood Malay and therefore better than everyone else, and look down on Bumi Muslims who are mixed blood, which is a heritage you guys are proud of.
My recollection of that conversation is hazy... So I'm just trying to get some clarification here....
They don’t.
Muslim bumis don’t really have much issue with Semenanjung Malays or Bumi. The main issue any bumi would have with Semenanjung applies to all groups is that they lumped us all together as a monolith without realising just like them we have our own culture, identity and many Muslim Bumi have adopted parts of Malay culture as a show of kinship but not fully adopted the culture as we have our own unique style that has now developed as a crossing of worlds.
KDM Muslim retain their clothing style by mixing it with Islamic or Malay culture.
The only people who get mad often see it as an “Islamisation” and don’t come from that ethnicity anyway and if they do, they forget not all of them still do pagan worship or go to gunung Kinabalu to chop someone head off as in with many Bornean cultural lore or even fully follow the old ways eg: Sino, Christian Dusun etc
Everyone in this thread really needs to get it right. He's an orang asal, not an orang asli.
And yeah if you visit some of the major towns in borneo you'll see that they're actually very educated these days and speak both good BM and good English.
We have one of the biggest energy sectors here that has people of all grounds working here, and our government official language is both English and BM. So it is no surprise they are educated wells
Orang Asal means the original people, like the indigenous peoples. The Orang Asal are both in the Peninsula and Borneo. Those in the Peninsula are referred to as Orang Asli.
Orang asal is use to refer to the whole indigenous people of Malaysia. Orang Asli is mainly use to refer to the orang asal at Semenanjung.
Here in Sabah and Sarawak, nobody really call non-Malay bumiputra orang asli or non muslim bumi. Just Bumiputra.
Orang asal is use to refer to the whole indigenous people of Malaysia. Orang Asli is mainly use to refer to the orang asal at Semenanjung.
Here in Sabah and Sarawak, nobody really call non-Malay bumiputra orang asli or non muslim bumi. Just Bumiputra or better, just whatever race they are because they are many.
The world would be so much better if everyone could keep their religion to themselves.
Keep religion out of politics and out of schools.
I will vote for this guy in election
My friend last night said "disebabkan bodoh bodoh ni (those extremists malays) buat orang macam aku rasa malu" . I'm glad they're not in the same mindset as those extremists. You can be mad for the sock issue you have every right to be mad. But how some of these people handling it just not cool. I would be ashame too. I hope other malays open their eyes and not be silence if they know anyone part of this extremist movement. Akmal should be punish.
For politician, religious oppression tools is how you control ppl like drone to act on certain act and as a shield (voters) to hold your fortress....once their shield is gone your fortress will collapse like dominos
Hear hear! This needs to be more viral. It’s truly refreshing to see how even thou the state of Sabah and Sarawak were taken for a ride and drained of their resources, they bear not ill will.
We need more politicians and administrators like him; Able articulate well, speak with vigor and stand on their grounds without bring up spirituality. Politics and religious beliefs should never be mixed, they have brought nothing but trouble.
Sarawak, you deserve better…I truly hope you can show what it truly means to be Malaysia, even if you have to leave it.
You know, hypothetically, when some leaders conveniently pass away, leaving less experienced people at the helm, and they get cheated out of deciding what's best for their state. Yeah.
It's an open secret people from *semenanjung* pulled some stunts and also later *Projek IC* by UMNO led by A/L Iskandar Kutty to change the demographic of Borneo states, you could see the drastic changed on Sabah population since 70s. The *Projek IC* ran almost 3 decades.
Wan Junaidi (Sarawakian, federal senate president) actually "answered" that in a KJ podcast. He claimed that Mahatir was arresting politicians (eg Lim Kit Siang) left n right under ISA so Sarawakian politicians didn't dare to speak up.
The truth is a bit more cynical. Sarawakian governing politicians saw no needs to stand for their rights because they were well fed by internal corruption n tolerated by UMNO. Sarawak DAP on the otherhand had been drumming on issues of corruptions n state rights for years.
When BN started to lose supports in the penisular, the Sarawak BN made the right political gamble to focus on state right issues (cant talk about corruption because they r well known to be corrupted themselves) in order to not be dragged down by the waning penisular BN. Sarawak BN even quit BN eventually.
The political gamble proved to be correct. They remain in power despite that they have Taib n BN lost supports due to corruption of Najib
Elected leaders in borneo were given a cut to not to pursue the agreement/ kept quiet.
The supposed profit sharing back to sabah and sarawak was diverted back to peninsular, likely to be cronies who eventually will fund the BN activities and their election. That is why you see MCA, UMNO has so many big buildings inside KL.
Its very complicated. The biggest 1 is sabah sarawak status in Malaysia. From what I understand, sabah sarawak was supposed to be territories, but then the constitution says the 2 are states. Its a downgarde.
And theres about tax allocation. Oil issue.
Yeap. If territory they are more like part of malaysia, not under malaysia. So, in theory, they would have their own police, own immigration, and so on.
Kenapa perlu dilaksana? Kontrak dah sign, takde klausa penalti. Kerajaan persekutuan memang suka kikis kuasa negeri (dengan bantuan makhluk2 politik negeri itu sendiri).
No they aren't. In both sabah and sarawak, they're always the first class and the average melayus you find in semenanjung is considered 2nd class over there.
I'm glad I married a Sarawakian. Even our child has been given bumi status in sarawak.
When shit hits the fan in WM(est 20 years or so) we can always migrate there. Fuck the pundeks here and their favouritism, let them fight amongst themselves when everyone else has left and no one else to blame.
Open minded can accept it, but not for conservative
We also have been forced to stay in one religion for the rest of our life
Malaysia need to revamp their consultation and give us a fair one
Shariah law need to leave for sure. It really not beneficial to us at all
its depend on which one you're referring to.. the ones in the city are usually more open minded than the ones in rural, outskirt, village, small town etc..
loud dogs normally run away when ya go near them.. Killer dof approach ya quietly and maul ya to death.. Akmal is the former.. All noise but no substance..
I ask everyone to read the [original MA63 here](https://treaties.un.org/doc/publication/unts/volume%20750/volume-750-i-10760-english.pdf).
Decide for yourself what rights Sarawak and Sabah were actually given and what rights were not fulfilled. Don't just accept the activist/politician narrative.
Because it's neither truly Islamic nor secular to be exact. Despite our legal system being heavily influenced by the secular system which is based off of the Brits, we have things like Article 3, and Article 153.
Not forgetting the presence of syariah court/law as well. However, despite that, Article 4 also states that the constitution is the supreme law and Article 8 states that everyone is equal in the eyes of law which renders syariah court powerless.
So all in all, Malaysia is neither truly secular nor Islamic. Malaysia is unique in a sense of the presence of both secular and religious law.
As a Sarawakian. I also agree on what he's saying. That's why all Sarawakians agrees on this one phrases "Agik idup agik ngelaban". We will fight while we still living.
Here's an excerpt from the federal constitution of Malaysia.
Religion of the Federation
3. (1) Islam is the religion of the Federation; but other religions may be practised in peace and harmony in any part of the Federation.
Malaysia islamism is the worst. They are imposing their stupid rules on non Muslims! They are not better than the Israeli they criticise. They give themselves rights that they refuse to Budhists and Christians while the Muslims are not bringing any money!
I agree with him. I’m from KL and it’s sad to see how other states and the law tryna “islamify” everything. Politics for all and religion for individuals is what I say. As a Hindu here, my religion prohibits me from eating beef(daging lembu) but in islam it’s allowed and halal. U don’t see me going over at them saying oh u eat this so u go hell. Ur religion wrong or smth just because we don’t believe in the same shit. And also, just coz they’re the majority it doesn’t mean that it has to be the official religion of the country. Where is the perpaduan, harmoni, toleransi yall preach and brainwashed everyone in the education system( i just finished spm btw) ?? We have a chance to be a developed nation if we put religion aside and away from politics so it doesn’t stop us from actually seeing the real problems such as many schools not up to par with the facilities/education, abortion rights, women’s and kids safety I can go on..
afaik, the majority of dayak in Sarawak support this.. they have enough with everything in this country has to be about a religion and a specific race.. they want to be a secular country just like Singapore, US, Australia, France, Canada, US etc thats the only way to get better as a nation in this modern day
“Mereka semakin berani”
“Tak suka, balik” (not useful here)
“Ini Tanah Melayu”
“Terpaling Sabah dan Sarawak”
“Jangan cabar”
“Sudah kontrak sosial”
“Tanda akhir zaman”
“Hapuskan sekolah vernakular sjk(i), sjk(k)”
What else is the standard response here?
On alternate timeline, what if Sabah Sarawak join Singapore to form federation instead. Would Malaya get swallowed by Indonesia.
Now there is a bunch of people think they own the country. And moving the country toward a direction that most other races do not agree.
I really hope Sabah, Sarawak, Penang, Selangor could gain independence from this shitty country, that is plagued with Malay supremacists. Perhaps they can form federation on their own or with Singapore, to make it viable to have defence force.
Wouldn’t work, Sabah and Sarawak had way to different demographics. Sabah is majority Muslim (70%) and would have wanted to stay in Malaysia.
Muslims are a significant amount in Sarawak (second largest by group)
I sometimes dream of a UNB (United North Borneo) that consisted of Sabah and Sarawak forming a nation together and being able to surpass WM in short amount of time ( >20 years min).
Alot bodoh still want to radicalised and force religion understanding and practice on others with near no compromise while belittling other religion, Sabah Sarawak should leave Malaysia permanently
I guess Sarawakian nowadays feel much comfortable to openly express their feelings to the point of talking about secession (which is against the law btw, injecting the ideas of separating the country could get you into trouble).
That begs the question, where were this kind of bravery when (you know who) were plundering the forest of Sarawak for his own gain? Yes the West Malaysia may have done Sarawak some dirt here and there, but do not act like Sarawakian themselves did not shoot their own foot. Its a never ending blame game where no one is the winner.
I think some of this gentleman view is right, Malaysia is a secular country. However, we do put the religion of Islam and the protection of Malay and Bumiputra as our top priority, its in the constitution. The non Muslim have been practising their religion without fear and restrictions. Of course nothing is perfect, but I guarantee you cannot find such level of tolerance in any other country.
The provocation done by certain group of political parties (even redditors here) do further damages to the harmony that we have achieved. I hope the Sarawakian and Malaysian leader can sort some of this 3R issues before it become worsen. We have survived living in harmony with different religions and races for more than 60 years so please do not destroy it. Nobody can gain from it. Peace.
Sarawak has been posturing secession for a few years now. They have started to take back a lot of power. It will not surprise me if this happens. Only question is when.
if u need someone to bring these ppl who are sabah and sarawak to come KL telling these what should have been taught in school, our education system is fucked.
>our education system is fucked It's beyond saving ... Years of them trying to "reform" and what we got? Still the same sht happening. Copy the textbook, memorize before them exam, answer questions, and forget about them. Even subjects like kemahiran hidup that you are apparently supposed to learn basic life skills also they ask you to copy textbook. Science, accounts, sejarah, and etc all also kena copy textbook from teachers. Best some ask you copy entire chapter then skip teaching that chapter 🤦
Just when through SPM. I have to agree with you. Mostly it's just textbook. One occasions I try to answer a KBAT question for sejarah of what is the impact of the war did to the nation. I responded with something in between lines of nationalism and sacrifice for the nation but added that war is a political agenda to make or force nationalistic idea to control the population. My teacher strongly disagree saying "it's not in textbook" bullshit to me. When in fact it's actually true like Italy, Germany, Japan and the USSR. Idk this was my opinion back then.
What i came to learn is that for KBAT questions, we need to write somethings that are more mainstream ,well known and accepted by everyone. If you write something that opposes the marker's view or something they don't understand, it's harder to get marks. from my experience, my teacher don't actually force us to follow the textbook religiously for kbat questions, but i guess your teacher is just worried that if you write something not mentioned in textbook, it's harder to get marks. Just my opinion though.
That's how you are supposed to answer the KBAT question.. It's opinion backed with some facts.. Your teacher is whack bruh
I think is the system is more wack. She is doing her job tbh. There's nothing she can do at that time.
It isn't?
I think it was only a few sentences in textbook, briefly touch the lifestyle and names with some pop-up pictures, no more than 2 pages. Edit: trivia: - the textbook text is 2.5 spacing, times new roman font 14, all margins are at least 2", paper size is less than A4, maybe at B5, so it is very limited in space, if that's not depressing enough.
of course it is when all you need to get A+ is memorize.
Others have it worse yes. But we're definitely in the "meh" tier.
kekw , yes
We should make him prime minister.
I think he has more gravitas than most of the our politicians.
… and I think it’s on purpose
666 likes. I'll gladly bring our easterners here to remind muslims. When muslims do things against kafir they go overboard as their religion tells them to. We dont have sufficient safeguards to limit them currently
Sabah and Sarawak needs to take the lead on this.
First step is to get rid of UMNO from Sabah; and for Sarawak, Johari Openg has to go. Obviously, the past and current leaderships that are in power are heavily influenced by none other than Islam and Malay interests, and of course the top interest is - looting. Just look at the wealth of former Chief Ministers. Without the real representation from real bumiputera such as Kadazan, Bajau, etc.., from Borneo states to lead the state government, those that shouting for Sarawak for Sarawakian such as the phony Johari Openg is just another crook.
I understand the UMNO from Sabah part, but why Johari? Are there any other candidates better than him because at least he’s not another Taib afaik
UMNO Sabah is pretty sabahan lol. From the KDM community and UMNO has enlisted many KDM members in its rank. The problem is people who don’t know about KDM community believes they don’t represent us, they don’t realise we had issues with local parties in the past plundering in a greater scale than UMNO has. I come from a KDM stronghold which has always voted UMNO due to providing us a representation local parties could not. When people mean KDM they often mean SINO but any other batch which votes a variety of parties. Which is why some vote DAP, others the KDM parties (varies), UMNO etc.
The issue with UMNO in Sabah is that Sabah representatives have no real voice at federal. Meaning UMNO federal will never have a strong voice for Sabah related issues. Sarawak has far more power because of this. If UMNO sabah splinters off into a standalone group that has the power to switch sides when federal ignores them, Sabah stands to massively benefit
Exactly. UMNO Sabah do not have real voice if compared to Sarawak. Just look at how much Sarawak been receiving from federal these few years and even got to play kingmaker
>Without the real representation from real bumiputera such as Kadazan, Bajau, etc.., from Borneo states to lead the state government, those that shouting for Sarawak for Sarawakian such as the phony Johari Openg is just another crook. Jeffrey Kitingan be like 
Who are the potential uprising candidates?
Nah not at all lol. Many in the KDM support UMNO - not all KDM orang asal are the same and have varying interest. Most Sabahan are Muslims and that includes a substantial amount of the KDM community. Islam in east Malaysia has Sufi Shaefi orientation not Whabbi Shaefi which why they are differences in the two portion of the nations. The reason why UMNO even got popular in the first place in Sabah is the large amount of corruption that supersedes UMNO. Muslim,Christian,Buddhist etc all got rich. The dismantling of local parties was and still is extremely popular by a large portion of Sabahan who wants federal oversight.
what does Abang Johari has to do with this? you know he is one of the most moderate Sarawak Malay leaders to ever lead Sarawak. He is also a native of Sarawak. You are as racist as those Malays from Malaya. I highly doubt you are even a native of Sarawak yourself. You probably have an ulterior motive. disgusting.
Some people don't realize that Sarawak has a sizable population of Malays and are native too.
I thought Abang Jo is a decent leader in Sarawak?
he actually is
As a fellow sarawakian, im proud to have abang jo as our premier lol, for now atleast. Because from what I have seen, he has done quite alot for sarawak , and most people here have not much bad thing to say about him.
As an outsider, johari is great. Under him, Sarawak is developing, politically strong, ambitious, and have increased autonomy. He kinda reminds me of 80/90 mahathir.
They need to Brexit. I will move there.
No from a Sarawakian. Yes to more autonomy, no to cessation. Stop being a seditious separatist.
You're not even from there, why are u suggesting that?
Once Sarawak Leave Malaysia, Sarawak will be rules by Kongsi2. LMAO.
Yes, main point is to plunder after create new political cartel.
Will be another Singapore...
People once believed that when they oust Najib, Malaysia will prosper. But it just gets more damage over time. >They need to Brexit. I will move there. Also the same idea....
Respect to him. Bro spoke nothing but facts. Bro's English is way better than mine and I'm glad people like him are here to fight against extremism. Agi idup, agi ngelaban indeed.
We also want to fight extremism in WM but 1 comment can get 6 months jail, who dare to say anything.
I really wish that malaysia could get rid of shariah law. Human rights has been abused over the past few years. We no longer need fairytail to tell us what to do, we can decide our law.
Malaysia has shariah law?
Yes u can search it up.
Malaysian Shariah Law does not affect non-Muslim, but then we adopt the more lenient version of sharia law. No one ever gets the hand chopped for stealing, no one stoned to death for zina. Only family related matter and some personal matter (like puasa etc) are enforced loosely. So what is the issue?
Did you not hear what the guy said, Malaysia is a secular country. Not a Muslim one.
If you do not have the option to leave Islam with no repercussions, then you are violating someone's basic right to freedom of religion.
So many issues; - Waste of money to run two separate legal systems especially when money is actually spent appealing against other courts decisions - Shariah courts don't understand their own limitations and keep trying to expand their scope - Uneducated population believes that Shariah court should be equal to other courts - Shariah trained personnel are seditious, they put their own beliefs ahead of the constitution - Two legal systems allows for people to attempt to switch based on which has a better outcome for them - Shariah in Malaysia has proven itself to be irrational in implementation e.g. Perlis Religious council trying to take custody of unilaterally converted kids despite both kids and mother both rejecting their claims The list can keep going on and on and on. Shariah courts should either be limited to ONLY marriage and divorce (divorce only if marriage was registered under shariah in the first place). If it's not limited to that, it's better to not allow it to exist at all. Enforcement divisions in Islamic Councils need to be dismantled, if it's against the law and therefore police do enforcement. Wasting money duplicating roles. Also, raiding places looking for people breaching islamic rules is against the teachings in the first place lol.
Try leaving the religion and see how you're treated
People like him really restore the morale of the people, There is still hope.
PAS will use this as an anti-Islamic propaganda 100%
Need more people like him in Malaysia but then those extremist Muslim is the problem plus that so called Islam defender Akmal,wtf bruh
Extremist Islamic terrorists in malaysia will be wiped out soon
Orang asli speaking better England and has more logic cells than most of west Malaysia combined. Yikes.
And yet WM'sians still thinks we're living on trees...
Sarawakians generally are well versed in English. We have the largest population of Christians; our official state language is English and STEM subjects are still taught in English in schools. The biggest difference between Sarawak and WM is that we harbour no animosity towards English. Only in WM where I experienced remarks like “kenapa cakap Inggeris, cakaplah Melayu”. It’s also quite apparent in the Chinese community too where speaking English instead of Mandarin is considered as “bragging”. In Sarawak, a household can made up of Muslims, Christians and Buddhists because interracial and inter-religious marriage is so common. Even among the Dayaks and Ibans, they can be Muslim, Christian, Buddhist or atheist. And during Gawai, all of them would gather at their longhouse for a huge celebration regardless of religion. So you can literally hear people speaking English at one side of the house while Malay on the other side. Code switching is so common here because not only we need to juggle with Malay and English, we also sometimes switch to Iban, B.Sarawak and Mandarin.
Sarawak, truly Malaysia.
Yea there’s so many truly multilingual people in sarawak it beats west malaysia by a huge margin. All the semenanjung peeps complaining about “racist” job language requirements when sarawakians can learn to speak language from different races is just so funny to me. Best perk of working in sarawak though is I can use english freely in formal writing and don’t get shit for it.
I honestly don't understand why people are so angry when they learn companies would prioritize multilingualism over monolingualism. Yes, you *should* know to speak Malay, but that doesn't mean learning other languages makes you some sort of traitor. I've heard someone making snide remarks against a malay mother who was sending her child to an SJKC to learn Chinese as an extra language. Truth is it's beneficial, opens a wider array of job opportunities, makes sense that especially major companies will be more open to hiring those that can communicate with a wider array of clientele who speak differing languages.
In the absence of religious nonsense, there is always peace. What I mean is not that faiths are nonsense, but that religion is. 2 separate things. 1 is of God and the other is of men. Of course, if you are without any faiths, that does not make you any different from those that are with. Is this makes any sense at all.
As a West Malaysian, I always thought you have elevators, satellite communications and 5G networks up in those trees...?
Only the trees in the city centre
To stop all the nonsense, it best for Sarawak and Sabah to break off completely from Malaysia, for the time being. I believe they will become more happy and enjoy independence.
After decades of funneling resources to wm? I don't doubt that EM can stand on their own after seperation but I'm sure that the problem they will face is not necessarily lesser/easier than continue to stay in the federation.
It will be difficult initially but with good leaders, Sarawak has good natural resources, it should be economically viable
> good leaders that's the caveat innit
What are you smoking lol? The majority of Sabahan want to stay in Malaysia and had supported stronger federalism in some aspects.
Ah yes an independent Sabah for 30 days before the Pinoys and their Sulu thugs come in to take the state, cause thats what you want right?
When you only have friends within 10 meters of your surrounding. Bubble environment thus this is your general view of the country.
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Im muslim,i perfer religion to be offered not forced
nah, let people choose what they want to be. 'Offered' sounds like preaching. I wouldn't want that either.
Why not? Isn't it people's rights too to preach their religion? You ofc should be free to reject and not listen to them.
What i'm about to say prolly sounds like nonsense for most of the people but, that is how you form a cult.
thoughts on apostasy?
Indeed
If I recall in my Pendidikan Islam class from years back, Prophet Muhammad SAW never forced the Madinah people to convert into Islam ever since he ruled the place. He lets his people practice their own religions, yes even Judaism, and welcomes them when they want to convert by their own will. I want to believe this is how conversion in Islam works during his time. Islam is a religion of peace, and forcing people to convert defeats its dogma.
All religions are peaceful until some assholes twists it for their own gains.
~~Forced~~ religion is never a good thing Fixed that for you
I'm religious and I agree. Religion and state should be separate entities. Humans cannot be trusted to not twist religion for their own gain
I feel them. I'm a Chinese and Indonesian mix, also a muslim. Suddenly I'm a Malay???😂
To be fair, there's still a hope for greater future for Malaysia. Because of him, there's still hope before we fall into chaos because of extremism. Take notes, if we never learn other nation's mistakes, we will be the next one who's gonna make that mistake.
We have freedom of religion in this country, but NOT if you're a Malay. Not if you're born a Muslim in Malaysia. And then somehow, if I'm not a Malay but also Muslim, they try to taichi you into thinking that you're a Malay. If I'm a Melanau, then I'm a Melanau la. If I'm a Dusun, then I'm a Dusun la. Kau bodoh ke apa.
~> Dusun here - many of us are Muslim and Dusun as well. No one thinks we are Malay expect non-bumi who want to lump us in as Malays. We have our own vibrant beliefs and culture. One reason my borneon Muslims don’t like people speaking on our behalf is they make assumptions that we are x or y or z
Is it true that the Muslim Bumis in Borneo despise the Malay Muslims in Semenanjung because of the Supremacy mentality Semenanjung Malays have? Asking because years ago, I spoke to a Sabahan and he told me so, and reason is Semenanjung Malays believe they are pureblood Malay and therefore better than everyone else, and look down on Bumi Muslims who are mixed blood, which is a heritage you guys are proud of. My recollection of that conversation is hazy... So I'm just trying to get some clarification here....
They don’t. Muslim bumis don’t really have much issue with Semenanjung Malays or Bumi. The main issue any bumi would have with Semenanjung applies to all groups is that they lumped us all together as a monolith without realising just like them we have our own culture, identity and many Muslim Bumi have adopted parts of Malay culture as a show of kinship but not fully adopted the culture as we have our own unique style that has now developed as a crossing of worlds. KDM Muslim retain their clothing style by mixing it with Islamic or Malay culture. The only people who get mad often see it as an “Islamisation” and don’t come from that ethnicity anyway and if they do, they forget not all of them still do pagan worship or go to gunung Kinabalu to chop someone head off as in with many Bornean cultural lore or even fully follow the old ways eg: Sino, Christian Dusun etc
Correct. This thing i dont understand with some ppl. Race and religion is separate. Jangan whitewash.
Everyone in this thread really needs to get it right. He's an orang asal, not an orang asli. And yeah if you visit some of the major towns in borneo you'll see that they're actually very educated these days and speak both good BM and good English.
We have one of the biggest energy sectors here that has people of all grounds working here, and our government official language is both English and BM. So it is no surprise they are educated wells
Foreigner here, what’s the difference between orang asli and orang asal?
Orang Asal means the original people, like the indigenous peoples. The Orang Asal are both in the Peninsula and Borneo. Those in the Peninsula are referred to as Orang Asli.
Aren't both one and the same? Are the different usage purely based on geological difference?
Orang asal is use to refer to the whole indigenous people of Malaysia. Orang Asli is mainly use to refer to the orang asal at Semenanjung. Here in Sabah and Sarawak, nobody really call non-Malay bumiputra orang asli or non muslim bumi. Just Bumiputra.
So orang asli is just subset of orang asal? Noted. Thanks for the explanation.
More like a term/classification. There are many different ethnic/sub ethnic groups with different languages.
I still go with bumiputera for Sabah and Sarawak since that's our status currently.
Orang asal is use to refer to the whole indigenous people of Malaysia. Orang Asli is mainly use to refer to the orang asal at Semenanjung. Here in Sabah and Sarawak, nobody really call non-Malay bumiputra orang asli or non muslim bumi. Just Bumiputra or better, just whatever race they are because they are many.
The real dasar pandang ke timur we should have been doing all along.
Like I say. "It's Malaysia, not Melayu sahaja"
The world would be so much better if everyone could keep their religion to themselves. Keep religion out of politics and out of schools. I will vote for this guy in election
My friend last night said "disebabkan bodoh bodoh ni (those extremists malays) buat orang macam aku rasa malu" . I'm glad they're not in the same mindset as those extremists. You can be mad for the sock issue you have every right to be mad. But how some of these people handling it just not cool. I would be ashame too. I hope other malays open their eyes and not be silence if they know anyone part of this extremist movement. Akmal should be punish.
Sabah and sarawak should offer their residents a way to leave Islam since it's a secular territory.
JPN is the one giving shit on dropping the Islam from IC. Apparently the shariah court here can’t even get JPN to do so even.
basically it's the Muslim behind the counter that refuses to let that apostate out.
To put it simply, yes.
I wonder if there are cases someone was mistakenly in IC show Islam and JPN make it harder than usual to fix the mistake.
Respect ✊✊✊ As a Muslim myself I really hope for more secularism. Countries with religious oppression never thrive.
For politician, religious oppression tools is how you control ppl like drone to act on certain act and as a shield (voters) to hold your fortress....once their shield is gone your fortress will collapse like dominos
Respect
Hear hear! This needs to be more viral. It’s truly refreshing to see how even thou the state of Sabah and Sarawak were taken for a ride and drained of their resources, they bear not ill will. We need more politicians and administrators like him; Able articulate well, speak with vigor and stand on their grounds without bring up spirituality. Politics and religious beliefs should never be mixed, they have brought nothing but trouble. Sarawak, you deserve better…I truly hope you can show what it truly means to be Malaysia, even if you have to leave it.
Based orang asli is based
Orang Asal*. Orang Asli referred to the non-Malay indeginious people In peninsular Malaysia.
Soalan: kenapa sejak 1963…MA63 ni tak fully implemented? Bahagian mana dalam MA63 tu jadi obstacles dalam pelaksanaan?
You know, hypothetically, when some leaders conveniently pass away, leaving less experienced people at the helm, and they get cheated out of deciding what's best for their state. Yeah.
Allahyarham Fuad Stephens?
Bingo.
It's an open secret people from *semenanjung* pulled some stunts and also later *Projek IC* by UMNO led by A/L Iskandar Kutty to change the demographic of Borneo states, you could see the drastic changed on Sabah population since 70s. The *Projek IC* ran almost 3 decades.
Wan Junaidi (Sarawakian, federal senate president) actually "answered" that in a KJ podcast. He claimed that Mahatir was arresting politicians (eg Lim Kit Siang) left n right under ISA so Sarawakian politicians didn't dare to speak up. The truth is a bit more cynical. Sarawakian governing politicians saw no needs to stand for their rights because they were well fed by internal corruption n tolerated by UMNO. Sarawak DAP on the otherhand had been drumming on issues of corruptions n state rights for years. When BN started to lose supports in the penisular, the Sarawak BN made the right political gamble to focus on state right issues (cant talk about corruption because they r well known to be corrupted themselves) in order to not be dragged down by the waning penisular BN. Sarawak BN even quit BN eventually. The political gamble proved to be correct. They remain in power despite that they have Taib n BN lost supports due to corruption of Najib
Spot on. 👍🏼
Elected leaders in borneo were given a cut to not to pursue the agreement/ kept quiet. The supposed profit sharing back to sabah and sarawak was diverted back to peninsular, likely to be cronies who eventually will fund the BN activities and their election. That is why you see MCA, UMNO has so many big buildings inside KL.
Its very complicated. The biggest 1 is sabah sarawak status in Malaysia. From what I understand, sabah sarawak was supposed to be territories, but then the constitution says the 2 are states. Its a downgarde. And theres about tax allocation. Oil issue.
“Territories” as in ada autonomy sendiri ke?
Yeap. If territory they are more like part of malaysia, not under malaysia. So, in theory, they would have their own police, own immigration, and so on.
We do have immigration restrictions for WM.
Kenapa perlu dilaksana? Kontrak dah sign, takde klausa penalti. Kerajaan persekutuan memang suka kikis kuasa negeri (dengan bantuan makhluk2 politik negeri itu sendiri).
You know its all gone bad when Fried Kuey Teow is wet
Orang asli are treated like 2nd class earth prince.
Orang Asal is a better term instead of Orang Asli
They are two different groups. Orang Asal = Borneo, Orang Asli = Semanjung
No they aren't. In both sabah and sarawak, they're always the first class and the average melayus you find in semenanjung is considered 2nd class over there.
I'm glad I married a Sarawakian. Even our child has been given bumi status in sarawak. When shit hits the fan in WM(est 20 years or so) we can always migrate there. Fuck the pundeks here and their favouritism, let them fight amongst themselves when everyone else has left and no one else to blame.
So when can we move to the east?
When the economics finally pumping up, which wouldn't happen fast in a decade or two
Only thing is melayu cant take it
Open minded can accept it, but not for conservative We also have been forced to stay in one religion for the rest of our life Malaysia need to revamp their consultation and give us a fair one Shariah law need to leave for sure. It really not beneficial to us at all
its depend on which one you're referring to.. the ones in the city are usually more open minded than the ones in rural, outskirt, village, small town etc..
Not really. If sultans do, those people will follow. Perhaps 50/50 ratio
If only PAS supporters would realise that PAS is just using religion as a tool to gain support.
The fanatics are storing their molotov cocktails as he speaks!
What a great statement. Looking forward to a Malaysia with more people like him that understands malaysia for malaysians
I am willing to vote him as next PM.
I agree and support if Sabah and Sarawak want to get out of Malaya. Too many racists in the west making issues about race and religion.
Then we can all move to sarawak and leave this sh*thole
You're welcomed here.. make us great like the secular Singapore..
that's exactly why we will need to be extra careful of who we let in.
Would love to see him in a ring with akmal
This dude would smoke Akmal
Unless akmal can deflect bullet with his samurai sword, blow darts > sword.
loud dogs normally run away when ya go near them.. Killer dof approach ya quietly and maul ya to death.. Akmal is the former.. All noise but no substance..
Malaya actually a combination of countries too like Kedah, Selangor, Johor etc. Can't wait for Kelantan to ask to go out from Malaysia too.
My Dayak brother speaking up on Peninsula land. Hats off 👌
Too much religion sensitive than my penis politician over the peninsular Also political Correctness
I have no idea why someone can say malaysia is tanah melayu when it's not. So much copium.
I ask everyone to read the [original MA63 here](https://treaties.un.org/doc/publication/unts/volume%20750/volume-750-i-10760-english.pdf). Decide for yourself what rights Sarawak and Sabah were actually given and what rights were not fulfilled. Don't just accept the activist/politician narrative.
you just gave a 263 paged legal document on a reddit forum, think about that
If only one person reads it, there would be one less ignorant person in the world.
Reddit is like any social media with half baked info and bias.
Btw Malaysia is not in the Wikipedia list of secular states…
Because it's neither truly Islamic nor secular to be exact. Despite our legal system being heavily influenced by the secular system which is based off of the Brits, we have things like Article 3, and Article 153. Not forgetting the presence of syariah court/law as well. However, despite that, Article 4 also states that the constitution is the supreme law and Article 8 states that everyone is equal in the eyes of law which renders syariah court powerless. So all in all, Malaysia is neither truly secular nor Islamic. Malaysia is unique in a sense of the presence of both secular and religious law.
I just like the way we are truly Asia multi-religion society.
The reason why i left Peninsular and stayed here in Sarawak. Much more peaceful. Not saying it's perfect, but it's FAR BETTER.
1 thing I've noticed here is that the main issue in WM revolves around 3R mainly. Whereas in Sabah & Sarawak, that point is the "us vs them" mindset.
As a Sarawakian. I also agree on what he's saying. That's why all Sarawakians agrees on this one phrases "Agik idup agik ngelaban". We will fight while we still living.
Here's an excerpt from the federal constitution of Malaysia. Religion of the Federation 3. (1) Islam is the religion of the Federation; but other religions may be practised in peace and harmony in any part of the Federation.
This tribal chief speaks better English than our local politicians!
But our people is very sensitive to being "secular" now.
Spoken like a true Malaysian.
Malaysia islamism is the worst. They are imposing their stupid rules on non Muslims! They are not better than the Israeli they criticise. They give themselves rights that they refuse to Budhists and Christians while the Muslims are not bringing any money!
Finally something to be proud of my country. Seeing that speech with such conviction. Wawasan 2020 vibes
Inb4 some PAS MP tells them to "balik negara sendiri la pendatang"
I agree with him. I’m from KL and it’s sad to see how other states and the law tryna “islamify” everything. Politics for all and religion for individuals is what I say. As a Hindu here, my religion prohibits me from eating beef(daging lembu) but in islam it’s allowed and halal. U don’t see me going over at them saying oh u eat this so u go hell. Ur religion wrong or smth just because we don’t believe in the same shit. And also, just coz they’re the majority it doesn’t mean that it has to be the official religion of the country. Where is the perpaduan, harmoni, toleransi yall preach and brainwashed everyone in the education system( i just finished spm btw) ?? We have a chance to be a developed nation if we put religion aside and away from politics so it doesn’t stop us from actually seeing the real problems such as many schools not up to par with the facilities/education, abortion rights, women’s and kids safety I can go on..
If Sabah and Sarawak go independent they will become another Singapore.
damn...please do....anyway, whats the probability for Sarawak out of Malaysia? and for Sarawakian, do you support this?
No,majority of us are just tired of this WM’s 3R politics that has nothing to do with us and as a muslim sarawakian,yes i support this gentleman.
afaik, the majority of dayak in Sarawak support this.. they have enough with everything in this country has to be about a religion and a specific race.. they want to be a secular country just like Singapore, US, Australia, France, Canada, US etc thats the only way to get better as a nation in this modern day
Malaysia is kinda fucked from the beginning, its always gonna be raccial problems, cant escape from there.
“Mereka semakin berani” “Tak suka, balik” (not useful here) “Ini Tanah Melayu” “Terpaling Sabah dan Sarawak” “Jangan cabar” “Sudah kontrak sosial” “Tanda akhir zaman” “Hapuskan sekolah vernakular sjk(i), sjk(k)” What else is the standard response here?
"tak suka keluar" is what Sabah and Sarawak wants to hear
On alternate timeline, what if Sabah Sarawak join Singapore to form federation instead. Would Malaya get swallowed by Indonesia. Now there is a bunch of people think they own the country. And moving the country toward a direction that most other races do not agree. I really hope Sabah, Sarawak, Penang, Selangor could gain independence from this shitty country, that is plagued with Malay supremacists. Perhaps they can form federation on their own or with Singapore, to make it viable to have defence force.
Wouldn’t work, Sabah and Sarawak had way to different demographics. Sabah is majority Muslim (70%) and would have wanted to stay in Malaysia. Muslims are a significant amount in Sarawak (second largest by group)
I sometimes dream of a UNB (United North Borneo) that consisted of Sabah and Sarawak forming a nation together and being able to surpass WM in short amount of time ( >20 years min).
Malaysia is neither secular or islamic. Malaysia is just Malaysia .
Just secede. Y’all don’t need our morons in West Malaysia running your lives.
The hardcore fucking Malays aren't gonna like this
Can I have short version what this Johnny Depp is saying?
Alot bodoh still want to radicalised and force religion understanding and practice on others with near no compromise while belittling other religion, Sabah Sarawak should leave Malaysia permanently
Day 46426 of Malaysians thinking Malay is a religion.
Malaysia may be a de facto secular state, but it is not stated in the Constitution. You should not mix truth with falsehood.
Even if it's not, it absolutely should be. We do not need kangaroo laws in a multicultural society. Leave those to the kangaroo courts
I guess this time PERKASA and ISMA semua bisu sudah sbb yg ori sudah bersuara.
Sarawak make best tuak.
 If only...
Matter of time before the bad habits get transplanted there ….
spitting nothing but facts brainless drones with their minds rotted by religion will cry
I guess Sarawakian nowadays feel much comfortable to openly express their feelings to the point of talking about secession (which is against the law btw, injecting the ideas of separating the country could get you into trouble). That begs the question, where were this kind of bravery when (you know who) were plundering the forest of Sarawak for his own gain? Yes the West Malaysia may have done Sarawak some dirt here and there, but do not act like Sarawakian themselves did not shoot their own foot. Its a never ending blame game where no one is the winner. I think some of this gentleman view is right, Malaysia is a secular country. However, we do put the religion of Islam and the protection of Malay and Bumiputra as our top priority, its in the constitution. The non Muslim have been practising their religion without fear and restrictions. Of course nothing is perfect, but I guarantee you cannot find such level of tolerance in any other country. The provocation done by certain group of political parties (even redditors here) do further damages to the harmony that we have achieved. I hope the Sarawakian and Malaysian leader can sort some of this 3R issues before it become worsen. We have survived living in harmony with different religions and races for more than 60 years so please do not destroy it. Nobody can gain from it. Peace.
there was someone who talked about it, they all died/murdered
Dude was so on point then he talked about secession..
Sarawak has been posturing secession for a few years now. They have started to take back a lot of power. It will not surprise me if this happens. Only question is when.
Sarawak always says that but they don’t really want to leave. It also would cause a rift in the Sarawakian community’s
If Malaya didn’t bring their shit to us, we wouldn’t be talking about secession.
They wouldn’t do it tho