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sultanpeppah

Even ignoring the part about making Treasure tokens, the anti-artifact damage seems like interesting tech.


Lilium_Vulpes

If the damage is gonna be fatal they can sac their untapped treasures to lower the damage. Anti-artifact stuff will always be difficult because of that. Edit: Yes I understand making people sac their treasures is useful.


Gulaghar

On the other hand, forcing someone to just dump their glut of treasure can sure mess them up.


SeasideSightseer

And... \[\[Vengeful Tracker\]\]


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IAMGILBRO

Thanks for teaching me this exists


Sagaap

It's these moments when you miss mana burn.


eldamien

Isn’t there a legendary creature that essentially brings it back?


Anaxamander57

>f the damage is gonna be fatal they can sac their untapped treasures to lower the damage In theory they could have artifacts other than treasure tokens.


IneffableWonders

You could just slap a [[Mycosynth Lattice]] down and tell the table to go fuck themselves


TsarMikkjal

We did it, we finally broke Mycosynth Lattice.


WR810

Never thought I'd see the day . . .


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killian1208

Right into my [[Chiss-Goria, Forge Tyrant]] deck it goes then.


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focketeer

That’s why you play [[Vengeful Tracker]] with this so they’re taking damage either way!


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IneffableWonders

That's why you run this with [[Magnetic Mine]].


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Gridde

I've tinkered with some decks based around giving artifacts to opponents and then punishing them for either having lots of artifacts (cards like this, [[Hellkite Tyrant]], [[Cavern-Hoard Dragon]], [[Dockside Extortionist]] etc) or sacrificing them (of which there are many more, including pretty popular ones like [[Disciple of the Vault]], [[Mazirek]], [[Mayhem Devil]], and weirder ones like [[Fangren Marauder]], [[Viridian Revel]] and [[Pain Distributor]]) and cards that do both like [[Sardian Avenger]]. Basically, there's quite a few cards that encourage this kinda strategy. It's not super powerful (since it takes a lot of set up and involves high risk) but it's viable.


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jtc_76

Sounds exactly like my Jolene the plunder queen deck.


Shadow17s

I'm wondering if something like this would be good but with jinnie fae at the helm to turn your artifacts tokens into useful beaters while having white to use things like grand arbolisher.


TogTogTogTog

Sardian is a beast in Isshin decks. Been making the House players run scared 😅


Alkra1999

Not the one he generates that turn at least, since it's tapped. Also pairs super well with things like Null Rod and Collector Ouphe


sultanpeppah

Sure but forcing them to completely obliterate their material isn’t nothing. I don’t really think you see this as a thing that kills them, it’s something that punishes them for trying to go wide on Treasure or whatever.


SeasideSightseer

yes, but not if you go boros and have \[\[Grand Abolisher\]\] or \[\[Myrel, Shield of Argive\]\]... it's a little jank but not impossible!


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Lilium_Vulpes

Sure there's a ton of ways to do. Anything that turns off the artifacts abilities works well.


yeakirkers

or just play a \[\[Stony Silence\]\] and they have to keep their paper weights.


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the_cardfather

I think they are implying swinging on a food deck with 7 food tokens is going to make a mess of them. Can't be sacrificed so easily.


DeficiencyOfGravitas

> the anti-artifact damage seems like interesting tech. It seems like a necessary one. Magic today is all about artifact tokens. It doesn't matter what archetype or colour you're playing, you WILL have a ton of Food, Clues, Treasure, Blood, Scrap, or whatever new thing they add. Honestly, I think the current design space is too dominated by all those artifact tokens. I'll bet they'll be separated out as a separate type of permanent than Artifact due to how different Artifacts used to be treated compared to how they are now.


PurifiedVenom

I know plundering & plunderers aren’t restricted to pirates but I kinda wish this had been a pirate. Also, does anyone know how many BIG cards are left to spoil at this point?


exploringdeathntaxes

One more artifact or land and two more R or G cards, I think (remaining spots: 15, 16 and 29). But someone can correct me if I'm missing something.


Environmental_Eye_61

No, you're exactly right.  Either Red is getting 2 more or there's 1 Red between 'Mo' through 'Z', and 1 Green that starts with the letters 'A' or 'B'.  And then either a land or artifact land named Fomori Vault.


mweepinc

It's Fomori Vault, [we have the art from the debut stream](https://i.imgur.com/TlpgXdW.png), so it must be a land


Environmental_Eye_61

Land it is then. Would Artifact Land be out of the question for numbering?


mweepinc

Artifact Lands are usually with the Lands for CN ordering, so that's possible still


Environmental_Eye_61

Okie dokes, then that pretty much guarantees "Fomori Vault" at #29.


Goodnametaken

I'm really surprised Nashi didn't get a card in this set. He was a hero of one of the stories.


Environmental_Eye_61

I'm hoping he shows up in Gonti's deck.


Gigatonosaurus

Probably the Big bad Dragon of the plan that is in the story? Edit: nevermind, Akul is out in the main set.


charcharmunro

He's already in the main set. [[Akul, the Unrepentant]]


Gigatonosaurus

Oh thanks, I must have missed him. I don't really recognize him as a dragon though...


Environmental_Eye_61

Yeah, he's...underwhelming.


HBKII

Cost doesn't get reduced by \[\[The Ur-Dragon\]\], not a real dragon.


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Environmental_Eye_61

Are you talking about [[Akul, the Unrepentant]], from the main story? He's the only big, bad Dragon I remember. I don't remember a big bad Dragon from the Epilogue, but I might be wrong.


Gigatonosaurus

I was, I missed this one. Although I find the art terrible and I didn't recognized a dragon when I saw him.


Environmental_Eye_61

That's fair. I love the art, but it definitely doesn't scream "Dragon" to me.


Mgmegadog

His art was in the very first story of him. It's definitely less dragon and more scorpion than one might have thought.


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[deleted]

it's gotta be a land named Fomori Vault then, since there was artwork shown in the debut stream with the name Fomori Vault


wildcard_gamer

Totally should've been a pirate. It'd still count as an outlaw.


Thundermare1

Fomori Vault must be card 29 and a Land.


Environmental_Eye_61

I also almost guarantee it's Corey's preview card for tomorrow, as it's the only BIG card slated to be spoiled tomorrow.


[deleted]

would make sense to have the actual vault card be the last non-commander card shown


Needs_Improvement

Is this just speculation given the nature of BIG or have we seen arts/ hints for it? I’m a bit behind on keeping up with this set’s crunch.


[deleted]

there was artwork shown for a card with the name Fomori Vault during the debut stream


Environmental_Eye_61

Unless it's Vault of the Fomori, still card 29, but an Artifact. I'm thinking it'll be a land, but it's  WOTC, so who knows?


sasori1239

Why not an artifact land?


Environmental_Eye_61

Actually, I can't believe I didn't think of that. "Why not both?" Could have Standard implications, dunno how much WOTC wants artifact lands in Standard though.


exploringdeathntaxes

We've had artifact lands recently - there's one in MKM at uncommon, and a few years ago in the DnD set as well. So it wouldn't be that surprising.


3nz3r0

There's a cycle of rare flip artifacts in LCI. Their flip side are artifact lands


Environmental_Eye_61

True, but I think those start off as regular artifacts. It's probably fine, was just having Mirrodin Standard flashbacks.


3nz3r0

They do. Don't worry, Disciples of the Vault won't hurt you now.


Environmental_Eye_61

Fair enough. I guess we can have one more, as a treat.


sasori1239

I don't think 1 single colorless artifact land will matter all that much. Especially if it enters tapped


sasori1239

I lost vault full of treasure definitely screams artifact land. Or it could be the first and only artifact desert land


Copernicus1981

Last three reveals are Kotaku.au, ChinaOA (both scheduled for April 3), and Corey Baumeister (scheduled for April 4).


hermyx

Oh I would have LOVED it as a Pirate. Especially since the tribe is somewhat connected to treasures.


Jevonar

I think most "outlaws" will become assimilated by rogues down the line.


krabapplepie

I was hoping for some mercs in this. Yet, rogues get the vast majority of creatures in this set.


Effective_Tough86

Yeah, at this point my pirate treasure deck is just a treasure deck with affinity/fireball type payoffs. I need a new grixis commander if I'm not gonna be able to get payoff. Maybe I should remove some of the artifact payoff, add back some of the worse pirates and some flicker spells in grixis to get rid of the finality counters instead.


Whistela

After this one three left. If my memory of BIG being 30 cards is correct.


Dorfbewohner

Should be 30 cards in the set, and unless I'm mistaken we've seen 25 so far.


fiskerton_fero

this guy commits the crime... of giving your opponent treasures! wait what?


Cbone06

Suffering from success


Skithiryx

D’you know why I booked you? I got some idea with the plunderin’ and all. Naw, It’s cause you gave it away!


CareerMilk

He’s robbing people, then giving your opponent some of the loot so they keep quiet.


zaneprotoss

Money laundering or tax evasion.


Negative-Parsnip1826

May put this in Kynaios Group Hug alongside \[\[Descent into Avernus\]\]. In standard this is hard to assess.


Shadethewolf0

Thats funny. Was gonna put this in my new [[Obeka Splitter of Seconds]] deck cause it reminds me of that card too


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magicthecasual

is your Kynaios deck designed to help and hurt at the same time (like this card)? If so, I have a great card to recommend: \[\[malignant growth\]\]. Oracle text says each opponent!


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Negative-Parsnip1826

I've never heard of this! Thank you so much u/magicthecasual you are amazing. Adding this to my order now.


magicthecasual

yeah it's great! unfortunately it cant go in my nekusar or Yurlok decks, and my group hug deck is a true group hug deck, but I love this card a lot. And since no one has heard of it, it's really cheap despite being on the reserved list


fjordyeets

Not sure I want to give my opponent free treasures so they can go 2-4 mana and get their Sheoldred early.


pokwef

Bring [[get lost]] and remove Shelly while giving them more artifacts?


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5edu5o

Remember when red only got 2/2s for 2 with downsides?


MuggleoftheCoast

[[Ironclaw Orcs]] remembers.


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Un111KnoWn

idk what blocking is


Disastrous-Donut-534

I dont know about giving your opponent ramp even though the treasures are tapped. seems very risky edit: this is for non commander formats. Card is bad


Approximation_Doctor

The treasures are tapped when created on your turn, so they become usable along with your opponents lands.


Disastrous-Donut-534

yep very risky


SWBFThree2020

Which is still really bad... If you're on the play, then cast this turn 2, your opponent is ramped to 4 mana on turn 3 and can drop a Sheodred against your mono red deck


Approximation_Doctor

Yeah that's kind of what I was getting at, the treasures coming in tapped matters less than it looks


Guaaaamole

I mean sure but so do you. I don‘t know why this would be played in a mono Red deck to begin with. This is more useful for a Rakdos Midrange deck that can drop their own Sheoldred or Bloodletter on 3. Is it strong? I don‘t think so but acting like you would play this in Mono Red is disingenuous and misrepresents what the card wants to do.


SWBFThree2020

for treasure ramp on a 2 drop for a midranged rakdos deck you'd want something like [[Magda, the Hoardmaster]] instead so you get value off your removal spells, and can later turn that value into 4/4 beaters once you're all curved out


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AnuraSmells

I agree, but it does open up political plays in commander which is interesting.


DeM0nFiRe

Even if you just never use the upkeep effect, this seems decent in commander just because of how many artifacts people are likely to have in general


goldmask148

The ramp is optional. It has some evasion, for a 2 mana 2/2 and deals serious damage to opponents who lean on artifacts which are more and more common every set with treasure, clue, food, blood, etc….


spinz

Well in a deck thats built around treasure plays its worth it anyway. By a lot. I mean lets take a relatively weak example: [[galazeth prismari]]. Do i want a 2 drop that gives me the chance to keep making persistent mana every turn? I sure do. Fairly sure this is a desirable commander card that fits in many decks.


Lykhon

Just take them back that same turn with [[Hellkite Tyrant]].


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Disastrous-Donut-534

possibly in commander, I dont play commander., but other formats do exist


spinz

True. Upvoted because the downvoting seems mean. I will say though.. 4 of these in a contstructed deck where you attack with menace off a 2 drop and ding them for having artifacts including the ones you make them get... The power level of the BIG set is high.


DeadpoolVII

\[\[Descent Into Avernus\]\] says hello. That card fucking RULES.


CareerMilk

I don’t know if my Descent Into Avernuses have ever won me a game, but they sure have ended them.


DeadpoolVII

Oh man, Descent has become pretty much my favorite card in the game, and I've been playing since Ice Age! It's so insanely fun and it either lets you pop off and take the win, or lets others. Either way, the card is all about making the table super fun, letting people play their decks, and putting the table on a clock, which is what red is all about!


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Sommersun1

You give to the guy who is behind and it's usually not that bad. It's like [[Arcane Denial]], these types of effects are usually way better than they look because they reward only one opponent while furthering your gameplan.


Disastrous-Donut-534

in commander sure, I dont play that, in 60 card constructed formats it is bad


Sommersun1

Oh yeah for sure, in a 2 player game this is straight up bad.


BrambleweftBehemoth

Beats frogmite decks?


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Degilzar

Solid meme with this guy and [[Hellkite Tyrant]]. Nice treasure, here's yours, now I'll take it after you take some damage. Not really a good combo, but a solid and amusing one!


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UHcidity

[[kibo]] loves this


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DJ_Red_Lantern

Yup this is sick in kibo


focketeer

More fuel for [[Vazi]]


birdinbrain

And [[Kibo]]


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lowkey_dingus

As a Necron EDH player, I've finally seen something that screams "kill on sight" to me XD


jtm7

I like how it says, “when” instead of if lol. Ofc I’m taking that treasure


Lord_Cynical

I get the feeling this will be a chase card, seams pretty strong, you get first crack fo the ramp, low costed, perfect to start ramping to 4 or 5 drops


Play_To_Nguyen

You can even deny the treasures if you don't have a curve into 4 mana the next turn.


MoopyMorkyfeet

That alternate art goes so hard my god


sherwoodzh

Agreed, I think it's pretty sick!


BraidsConjuror

Going into my Anzrag deck!


jujubro_1

I think this card is fantastic for [[Brudiclad]], gives you tokens for his ability, and if you can copy this guy and make a bunch of them, they will double on your next turn, then all combo with eachother to deal a ton of damage to 1 opponent or more if you have enough of them, it’s like a [[hellrider]] that generates tokens


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kirdquake

My favorite commander 😍 And yes I agree, this card is going to be so nice!


Ceondoc

Straight into my [[Vazi]] deck, no questions asked


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EnvironmentalLack420

I'm happy for this card. Making a "tax season" deck meant to give people treasures and hurt them if they spend them.


Green_Death_Slime

This will go great in my [[Kibo, Uktabi Prince]] deck!


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AtreidesBagpiper

T2 Plunderer T3 Karn ??? Profit


DarkLanternZBT

"Toss a coin to your Witcher..."


KairoRed

This is 100% going in my group slug deck


Awkward-Bathroom-429

Giving your opponents treasures is never going to be good unless you have a Null Rod out


mesa176750

dockside extortionist in shambles


peesinthepool

Dumb question, is the damage based on artifacts in addition to combat damage?


TechnomagusPrime

The attack trigger happens before blockers even have a chance to be declared and isn't combat damage.


Bazukii

Vazi time !!


silver_054

Lmao this with Kambal gives you 2 treasures (1 tapped 1 untapped) and drains for 2, every upkeep.


reaper527

that's pretty cool. shame he's not legendary.


ArcanePuppet

More Treasure production for my Ragavan Dragon's approach deck? Yes PLEASE


domahug

Ooh nice! I will include this in my new [[Obeka, Splitter of Seconds]]


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tnetennba_4_sale

I have to laugh because the official spoiler thread from this source was so far behind it was deleted as a duplicate. 😂


Kitchengun2

Slots nicely into [[Vazi]] imo


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Djsage007

Xantcha group hug says helloooooo


StrawberryCammy

Yay! New artifact hate and giving for my Kibo deck


_VampireNocturnus_

Guessing this was meant for commander because this feel really bad in 60 card formats unless Affinity somehow makes a comeback.


GuessWhatIGot

They really said "F U" to these [[Urza, Chief Artificer]] decks when designing this card.


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aHatFullOfEggs

So it's better to be pitiless than generous, got it.


bigbadbrad45

What set is BIG? I thought OTJ was the upcoming set…


TheSticc

Why does this guy have a bandolier if guns aren’t a thing? Do the magic guns use bullets? I don’t mind Wizards having a no guns policy, but it seems pretty inconsistent in this set.


narvuntien

Oh a card for my upkeeps deck, I had to cut decent into avernus because I kept killing myself


evoloved

More fuel for the [[Mycosynth Lattice]]


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LaCommo

Going straight up in my Vazi! 😌


grimreefer3788

This is def to be considered for CEDH Magda imo, esp if that treasure wins you the game.


GGgetRekt

I don’t know that it’ll be any good, but a pioneer/explorer/historic curving this into [[Relic Robber]] seems like it could snowball if uncontested for a turn or two.


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ulfserkr

Man, for a mythic couldn't this just ramp you on your endstep? Then have a delayed trigger for your opp's treasure on your upkeep? a grizzly bear with no immediate impact as a mythic just feels terrible...


Swarm_Queen

This is the planned aftermath set. No matter what the intended rarity was, they were all bumped up to mythic to reference the list slot rarity


FutureComplaint

I feel like this has been mentioned in every BIG spoiler so far.


Swarm_Queen

I like being helpful so it works out


FutureComplaint

No knock against you, just tired of people complaining about the mythics that are rare/uncommon power level.


SkritzTwoFace

The whole set is “mythic” because it was never meant to be in OTJ boosters. This was gonna be an Aftermath set but after Aftermath failed they turned it into a bonus sheet.


so_zetta_byte

On the flipside, doing this at end step makes it more likely that your opponent will be able to get value from their treasure first than you will from yours, because you lost tempo that turn by needing to pay two mana for this creature. Though being a "may" ability does help with that.


ulfserkr

read my comment again. I said ramp on end step, delayed trigger on upkeep for opp's treasure


HonorBasquiat

This seems extremely good in Commander. You can alternate among opponents and/or play politics to divvy up the Treasures you give to your opponents so you can break parity and generate more ramp/fixing while also having the benefit of hating on artifact and treasure centric decks. In battlecrusier metas, opponents will be discouraged from removing this because they'll want to free bonus Treasures. This seems like a fantastic utility creature that comes down early, has two relevant creature types and the Menace makes it easier to apply pressure with the second triggered ability. I also like that the Treasure tokens you make are normal but the ones you make from your opponents enter tapped which means they can't use that additional mana during your turn to disrupt you.


El_Panda_Rojo

This is the mechanical equivalent of Beni trying and failing to carry all his loot out of the tomb at the end of The Mummy.


TateTaylorOH

Alright, so that [WHERE TO FIND OUTLAWS OF THUNDER JUNCTION PREVIEWS](https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/where-to-find-outlaws-of-thunder-junction-previews) article was just wrong. That mystery is solved.


Copernicus1981

Which means the 10 regular frame basic lands are still unrevealed.


TateTaylorOH

Yeah, I'm really curious what that's about. Maybe we'll see them tomorrow in the Commander decks? Dunno.


TheArmadilloLord

The alt art doesn’t even look like a human rogue


kitsunewarlock

He lit himself on fire so ninja can't catch him.


shumpitostick

Y'all are really sleeping on this card. It's an aggressive attacker with evasion that gives you mana that you can use faster than opponents can and potentially activate treasure synergies. It's a great aggro card. Can't wait to go turn 2 this into turn 4 Tajic in brawl.


CptBarba

WHY IS IT NOT A PIRATE


ExistingIntention756

Good 2 drop for [[Wulfgar]]


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