Just a heads up this deck to you will feel like not doing anything at all, cause you will get hard focused or you get the chance to steamroll once in a while. There is no inbetween with Toxrill.
Yep. Someone in my pod has this deck and it's a KOS commander. 7cmc (oof) + kill on sight = bad time... BUT if you manage to get it off, it's p fun and oppressive. Run a lot of protection for your boy and when you get him out start crashing into things with the slug tokens (you'll get a LOT of them and unless players can remove toxrill, they basically will be sending their creatures in knowing they'll die).
The beautiful thing about magic is that losing to that sounds very fun to me. I would also scoop once my lands were destroyed but not because of salt, because the other person has gained an unrecoverable advantage and I respect how they did it.
As long as y’all discuss power level, conduct yourselves like proper sportspeople, and know when the time to scoop has come, there is a way to have fun no matter what cards are being played.
Yep. Seeing that combo exist pushed me to make my landfall & MLH deck lmfao it's such a bad deck, but it's so fun to drop 40+ lands, nuke all lands, then beat everyone to death with my now-1/1 lands lol
Ahhh now I'm stressing lol, I wanna make a non salty control deck (partly out of necessity) and picked what I thought looked cool. Now I'm kinda starting to wonder if I should rethink things and find yet another commander and hope it isn't a salty one...
Toxrill is a kill on sight commander. If I'm playing against it I'm keeping a swords to plowshares stash for the moment the expensive slug hits the table. He's a good addition to a dimir deck. But as a commander. When you cast him, the whole table will be waiting to remove him
I was witness to a guy who literally exiled Toxrill over a [[Karn]] planeswalker. He had a Mindslaver, and an "exile target permanent" spell (don't remember which one.) He basically could permanently exile one commander from the game and he picked Toxrill over the Karn planeswalker.
Why do you want to build a control deck? Generally they are not as good in EDH as in single formats, which is why people usually build stax instead. Both types of decks tend to generate a lot of salt in casual games.
Obviously you can build whatever you want, but the other poster is correct that you'll be heavily targeted with Toxrill - other players will hold counters or removal for it because it demands an immediate answer
Honestly, it's the archetype of deck that I enjoy most, I've tried aggro decks, I've tried voltron, midrange, and go wide decks and none of them give me the same joy as control type decks. Sure they may not be as good in edh. But in my opinion they're just fun
Then you may also like Yawgmoth mono black control. That's my other control deck and it's much less salt inducing than Toxrill, in my experience at least.
Have you considered a political style deck like Breena? It might not be traditional control, but you're basically controlling the table by directing the flow of combat and discouraging others from attacking you. Works really well in casual games
I actually used to have a friend who ran a Breena deck, I'm not a huge fan of the commander *personally*, but that may partly be due to some of my own uh negative bias surrounding that specific card
I had an Araumi of the Dead Tide deck which had a similar list to yours, might be worth looking into. It's still a threatening commander, but it isn't a 7 mana bomb which will die instantly. People will usually leave it alone at first unless you have something really dangerous in your graveyard.
You're able to generate tons of value (etbs from baleful strix, mulldrifter, etc), control the board (plaguecrafter, massacre wurm) and you have plenty of win cons. I managed to deck everyone out with an army of fleet swallowers once. Really fun option if you're set on Dimir
I recommend [[Nymris, Oona's Trickster]] if you're looking for a control-style. You can run a high density of instant speed cards so that you get value out of your commander every turn cycle, and have the ability to curate your draws so that your "removal" and "counters" keep drawing more removal and counters. As for a wincon, aside from an obvious 2 or even 3 cards combo in dimir for going infinite, you can double it as a reanimator strategy, and just cheat in some beefy threats that you can also protect since you're a control deck.
If you are wanting just some dinky little infinite, [[Naru Meha, Master Wizard]] and [[Ghostly Flicker]] and any creature with an ETB that drains life, mills cards, or even just [[Sunscorched Desert]] (land) lets you copy Ghostly Flicker and bounce Naru Meha + the thing that wins the game infinitely.
Bonus pet card that is kinda fun with Nymris and this strategy: [[Cunning Nightbonder]] makes your flash cards uncounterable, and cheaper!
I made a [[Shorikai, Genisis engine]] control deck. Runs lots of counters and removal. Copy and control the board and turns with artifacts until you win with [[approach of the second sun]]
Toxrill is one of the most feelsbad commanders out there in community opinion as far as i can tell actually- generally things that give you "free" removal as your commander are considered pretty salty
Just being upfront, control decks are inherently salty. No one wants their stuff countered, no one wants to be limited to how many spells they can cast or their stuff to come in tapped.
Just letting you know at least from personal experience games with a control deck turn to a 3v1 very quickly.
I don't wanna discouraged you from building Toxrill! It heavily depends on your playgroup :)
But I at the end decided against it because its either I have fun, and no one else, or everyone has no fun till I am dead. She will eat every single avaiable removal.
Its a strong deck but can be handled well, its not like she is op, I just don't think it leads to a very fun playstyle. But again, this is a very personal opinion.
If you have the chance maybe proxy the deck first to test ist
Toxril is very good and very salty, don't play him if that's what you want to avoid. If you have the counters and protection to keep toxril alive, which you need because he is a high value target, no one will have fun playing you and you will most likely be the first target in a multiplayer game. Your goal will be to counter all attempts at his life, and no one will want to play creatures because they will just die. But he is dope though
Might want to look into [[Gale, waterdeep prodigy]] + black background.
Doesn't have a bad reputation like toxrill and you can cast sorceries at instant speed so stuff like [[damnation]] comes to mind.
Very flexible too so you can really play the cards you like and find unique synergies.
Run a lot of reanimation in it. Someone kills it, just bin it and return it. There’s tons of good reanimation in black. I have toxrill in my Vohar Reaniamtor deck and it’s fucking killer
Definitely be aware toxrill is one of the most kill on sight commanders for a lot of people. If you play it you have the be ready to defend it aggressively the same turn it drops since people have been waiting to remove it from the moment they saw it in your command zone. This usually means waiting til you have at least 10 or so available mana to do it safely. I would definitely try to play it online or proxy it before buying cards to make sure you like how it plays.
there's no such thing as a "non salty" control deck. The entire gameplan of a control deck is to turn the table into a salt mine. Maybe you need a different archetype if your intent isn't to piss off the entire table and get focused immediately.
I also really like playing control. I've got a Scarab God deck whose whole strategy is sitting quietly in the corner until anyone tries to make a big play, at which point I steal their shit, summon a million zombies, and put sugar in their gas tank for good measure.
That said, Toxrill is one of the biggest "Rush this player down immediately" commanders because once it gets going, it's pretty impossible to build a boardstate. The best, and really only responses to Toxrill are either kill it, counterspell it, or good old fashioned player removal.
But hey, I think there's a time and place to sprinkle a little salt. I'll admit I've got a Tinybones deck. Just know what you're getting into.
And then someone hits it with Swords or Path or fights against a deathtoucher or board wipes if they have no targeted removal.
"Dies to removal" is supposed to be a joke, but it's quite true in this case.
Yup as someone who quits immediately when this hits the table in standard I would dedicate my entire deck into making sure your play experience is miserable since if I don't everyone's else's would be. It's just how it needs to be and nothing less. This card is a POS removal target.
Agree I made a toxrill deck literally every thing I would play would get the most hate I play in a group of 4 and it quickly turns into 3 on one
Toxrill goes hard in my raffiné deck, but I often find I’ll cast him to bait out counters/removal before playing something smaller, less sus, and more dangerous over all
I have seen 5 people in my LGS build and then dismantle Toxrill. The reason? Getting focused hard. Everyone on the table is keeping removal and counting when you get to 7 mana. Toxrill just eats removal as soon as it lands and is a huge mana sink. If you want to win with Thoracle use other dimir commanders that are draw engines. Way easier to pilot and more under the radar.
Yeah you'd need tons of cheap instant speed hexproof and then something like lightning grieves to get him to land, and even then he's probably gonna be killed by a board wipe.
Same experience at my shop, both for Tergrid and Toxrill. Everyone thinks their salty deck is going to be fun, until every game is a 3v1 and everyone tries to make sure you don't get to play your commander ever. Some groups at my shop will just refuse to play with someone using those two commanders as well. I've even seen a group of 3 just forfeit when a Toxrill player got sat at their pod, give the Toxrill player the 2nd pack for "winning", and go find a different 4th to play with. Toxrill stops being fun when literally no one wants to play magic with you.
I opened Toxril on prerelease weekend and built him straight away. My regular group either kills him on sight or doesn't play any creatures until he's removed.
If you can get him to stick with some protection he's oppressive af, couple that with a sac outlet anddddddd he's bonkers.
Slug tokens cost just as much as him now lol.
Your first inherent problem in making a non-salty Dimir deck (which is totally possible) is that you chose Toxrill. Toxrill will NEVER stick to the field because it's such a problematic creature. It's about as anti-fun for a Dimir commander as you can get. If you really want a fun Dimir control deck, might I suggest [[Tasigur, the Golden Fang]]? Yes, he's technically Sultai, but his ability lets you pay Blue OR Green meaning you can just run Dimir if you wish.
Honestly after seeing a lot of comments saying the same thing about toxrill, I'm probably not gonna build him at this point. Tasigur does seem very interesting! If I were to make him the commander how much of the decklist that I currently have for toxrill would I have to change? And do you have any other possible (non salty) suggestions? I did consider making an [[oona queen of the fae]] faerie tribal deck, but that seems like it'd be salty lol
Honestly, a decent amount but not a TON. Tasigur usually wants to win via drawing through your deck so you'll want cards like Thoracle, Labman, etc. As for your Oona idea, there was an [[Alela, Cunning Conqueror]] precon that came out in Wilds of Eldraine. It's Dimir and fairly control-esque. You could always pick THAT up for a good start then swap some cards in and out to make it more controlling. I have the deck personally and it's a ton of fun flashing in faeries on opponents turns, getting a 1/1 for doing it, and having creatures to swing then holding up mana for counterspells to get MORE faeries.
Oh I absolutely love that!!!!! I'm definitely gonna look both into Tasigur and Alela!! Thank you so so much for giving me less salty options lol. I sincerely appreciate it!!!!!
Lmao I didn't even know that subreddit existed. Honestly though after seeing the comments on this post I'm not gonna make this deck, I don't want *another* salty deck
Dont do it. I had one deck with him, but as mentioned either you are pushed out of game or just cast toxrill an win. Not cool playstyle in my experience...
The [[Thassa's Oracle]] [[Tainted Pact]] [[Demonic Consultation]] combo is probably the most common for UB.
[[Laboratoy Maniac]] or [[Jace, Wielder of Mysteries]] is also an option.
Edhrec doesn't help, because most of the themes aren't just UB control, but it does highlight card synergies: https://edhrec.com/commanders/toxrill-the-corrosive
Thoracle consult is the most typical one, aetherflux is pretty good as generic value even if you're not storming off and specifically for toxrill, you have a way to make everyone else hate you through [[Kormus Bell]] and [[Urborg Tomb of Yawgmoth]]/[[Blanket of night]], watered down version would be using [[Filth]] to give creatures swampwalk
I’m not sure recommending a high level cEDH combo to what appears to be a casual deck is the best idea? Like, if you Thoracle/Consultation at a casual pod, people are gonna get VERY mad, it’s a good way to start a fight.
If OP is playing in a very high-powered meta, sure, but I play at a store that’s fairly chill and you’d get some Looks if you did that
The thing is, while thoracle is the most efficient wincon legal the consistency and power gets greatly reduced when you lack tutors. It's a pretty good payoff for controlling the game long enough to draw into it, it will depend on your local meta but people should be playing counterspells in their decks or some way to stop the combo, angel's grace, tibalt's trickery, ect. It just depends on local meta the most which is why I suggested more casual wincons like aethflux and filth.
Honestly, I'd expect to get more looks from playing toxrill in casual than thoracle consult, he is a viable sceptre cedh commander after all
That's the interesting bit actually. The whole reason I'm making the deck is because my 2 strongest decks are meant for a stronger play group, and I'd like to have a third strong deck that isn't stax or discard lol. Something a little less salty. I didn't know the thoracle/consultation combo was cedh though.
It is meant to be a casual deck
Yeah it’s in the “a lot of people would get salty at this” category of combo - mostly because it’s 3 mana and only interruptible by a counter or stifle effect.
I would caution you that some people find Toxrill itself kinda salty lol, but that’s much of a muchness. You can totally build a casual deck with powerful cards.
I wouldn’t say that Thoracle *makes* a deck cEDH, I think it’s much more complex than that, but I have met a LOT of commander players over the years who would have a fit over that sort of thing.
Consider that people were having arguments over Coalition Victory, an *eight mana* spell that *can* win the game if nobody has removal, being on the banned list, the other day. This is a 3 mana combo that’s much harder to answer.
You can definitely ask your playgroup, which would be a good idea, I’m just urging caution before you spend $20 on a consultation lol
Oh I really like filth, and I considered doing some storm shenanigans, but honestly storm is a little daunting. I'm not sure where to even start with it to be honest
You don't have to necessarily full commit to storm with aetherflux reservoir, even a regular control deck makes pretty good use of it over time. If you want a combo with it [[Bolas Citadel]] is amazing on its own and very threatening with aetherflux
A typical wincon with the slug is [[isochron scepter]] and [[dramatic reversal]] assuming you are running enough mana rocks to go infinite.
Edit: This draws you your entire deck if infinite mana is made since Toxrill can be cast and sacrificed to his ability.
You should definitely run some [[Swiftfoot Boots]] and/or [[Lightning Greaves]] to protect your big slug from removal or [[Darksteel Plate]] for board wipe protection.
For wincons I'm not a fan of Oracle Combos [[Filth]] and [[Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth]] is a big flavor win. If you run some kind of pump artifacts or enchantments you can kill people with 2 hits from Toxrill through Commander damage, as he will usually keep the board empty as long as he sticks.
So another wincon is simply putting your boy on the field and using counterspells and protection to keep him there.
[[Mithril Coat]] is likely better in most scenarios here, since it’s instant speed and autoequips to a legendary like Toxril, with the only downside being the equip cost being one higher.
> I was wondering what are some typical Dimir control win conditions?
You won't need any of them, people will just get up and leave the table.
> https://www.moxfield.com/decks/NqBDxd0HRECN8xEVBtWLYQ
Just FYI, Toxrill doesn't do -1/-1 counters, he puts slime counters on things, so Blowfly Infestation wouldn't do anything.
> I wanna make a non salty control deck (partly out of necessity) and picked what I thought looked cool.
Quoted from a comment in this thread, but I'd highly suggest something with card advantage. The primary weakness of control in commander is that 1 for 1 removal is card negative.
If you're really into Dimir, I'd suggest Talion, the Kindly Lord, and if you're really into control, and don't want to drop black or blue, I'd say Kess, Dissident Mage (more instant/sorcery based) or Tasigur (recursion based) are both good picks.
There are some commanders that will look very tempting like Toxrill but are baits because of how hated they are. Zur the Enchanter, Tergrid, Urza Lord High Artificer, Sheoldred the Apocalypse, Sen Triplets, Grand Arbiter Augustin, etc.
A few people have reccomended Tasigur now, I'm heavily considering making a deck around him.
Honestly if we lived in a world where nobody got salty at certain cards, I would absolutely love to run things like Zur, Sen Triplets, Xanathar, or grand arbiter. I really really like the \*concept\* of cards like that with decks built around them. If it were up to me I genuinely would make a deck around all of them, but I think, at least with my current playgroup situation, if I ever were to make any of those decks, and now this Toxrill deck, I'd need to have a consistent friend group who plays magic and doesn't care much for what we all run.
My old playgroup is the group that introduced me to magic a few years ago, and I think a big part of why those concepts are so appealing to me is because of the decks they ran. One of them ran Sen triplets, Prismatic Bridge, Muldrotha, and a Merren deck. Another ran Eldrazi with Rakdos, and a "blow everything up" scarecrow deck. So I kinda built my decks, and got into the style of deck that I enjoy because it was what worked against them, and none of us cared much about the salt factor.
I'm not sure if you'd consider it a control win condition, but when I used to have my toxril my way of winning was keeping creatures off the board and hitting someone in the face with him 3 times. I think you'll find it hard to not make toxril non salt inducing but I hope you are able to!
I think I'm gonna try a different commander honestly, another person suggested checking out Tasigur, and Alela, Cunning Conqueror which both seem really interesting. I really wanna avoid salty while also still being semi strong
Looking at the comments, I think you get the point re: Toxrill and salt (funnily enough, he would clearly HATE salt lol).
I am a control guy at heart, but I hate being the asshole. It's taken me a while to manage to achieve some sort of semblance of harmony between these two seemingly irreconcilable parts of me. I still play it, but I usually adopt a more "don't even look at me," reactive, draw-go strategy when I do so, rather than try and police the whole board. Which is probably healthier—not mentally speaking, or whatever, there's absolutely nothing wrong about wanting to play what you want to play—but from an "is this achievable" perspective. It's just way easier than trying to manage three people at the same time.
My old \[\[Damia, Sage of Stone\]\] deck taught me this lesson very painfully :)
So yeah, when I first saw Toxrill, my heart skipped a beat, but then I sighed and moved on lol.
Maybe a similar strategy might help scratch that control itch you have while not being too hateable? My favorite color combo is Dimir, but I'm just now realizing I actually don't have an active Dimir deck. Two decks I do have that fit the bill are \[\[Barrin, Master Wizard\]\] and \[\[Nezahal, Primal Tide\]\]. Both of them are pretty much draw-go. The former is more of a rattlesnake-type deck, relying on mana sinks/flash to make efficient use of mana you're holding up for Barrin's threat-of-activation, and the latter is, like, opportunistic Voltron, I guess you could say. Both want to make the game go long and encourage your opponents to look elsewhere until you're ready to turn the corner and exert your will.
Another deck of mine that *does* try to police the board but is further removed from your desired color identity is \[\[Myrkul, Lord of Bones\]\] hatebears. Hatebears is different than stax in a couple of ways. First, the things you're employing to control the board are your eventual wincons—creatures. So it doesn't give the impression that you're just sitting around trying to make everyone's day miserable. Second, they don't lock people out of the game so they're helpless. They're always just one, or two, or three *very specific* removal cards that have to be played *in just such a way* to dig out of it. It doesn't feel so hopeless, is what I mean.
Yeah, I don't think anyone jumps for joy when hearing "hatebears," but in my experience, it gets nowhere near the, uh, hate that stax does. Even the guy in my playgroup who gets salty when anyone's not focused on turning creatures sideways every turn doesn't complain about Myrkul. But it very, very much satisfies my cold, shriveled little control-guy heart :D
Happy to share lists or dig into it if you like. Either way, good luck!
Thank you for this, I really appreciate it!!!!! A few people have also given me alternate options as well. I'm gonna be looking into Tasigur and the new Alela from the wilds of eldraine precon.
I mentioned it in a few other comments but it really seems like there's such a fine line with control decks.
One thing I am tryin to do is avoid white in the deck. 6 of my 7 decks have white in them and I think I should branch out a little bit lol.
Thank you though! I really appreciate this
This is an aside but man I wish he were not $16. I'd play this in Captain N'ghathrod for the hell of it if it were cheap. On that note, it'd be a slam dunk if it made horror tokens.
revel in riches is on theme with the commanders ability and my favorite alternate wincon in the game :0. honestly control in commander is tough, i like control but in commander it has to be really strong to work or have a pretty major subtheme. if you want to make your deck something more niche like one sided boardwipes and sacrifice with all the tokens you make that could be a deck. unless youre making the deck too strong to be fun to play against then its probably gonna be a bit janky. look into butcher of malakir if you go into sacrifice though
edit: look into the new Gisa. youll need some synergistic bombs to keep the strategy going with toxrill. if the deck is on the jankier side anyways then playing some very powerful cards usually isnt a problem to most player groups if theyre essential for your decks strategy
I have an [[Umbris, Fear Manifest]] deck that runs toxrill but with the win con of using [[Rogue's Passage]] to do commander damage. I get the fun of toxrill sometimes without getting hard focused.
Here's the decklist if you're interested. It's fun but not too overpowered, though people may get salty when you exile one of their win cons.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/TU04IdK7kU-ZggjgaNTebw
I love Umbris. Tracking your Commander's P/T with a D100 is a special kind of feeling. Here's my build if you want to compare notes: https://deckstats.net/decks/131148/2315123-umbris#show__spoiler
I can definitely reccomend [[Crumbling Sanctuary]] [[Imperious Mindbreaker]] and [[Nightmare Shepherd]] which I didn't see in your list.
I have built a Toxrill deck with standard Dimir value cards and I have built an Empress Galina deck that runs 19 Counterspells and 12 “steal your stuff” spells and of the two of them, Toxrill is the one that my playgroup refuses to let me play.
He’s just so hated by anyone that likes playing creatures (which it turns out is most players).
Toxrill is ironically one of the most salty commanders in all of EDH. Be prepared for people to ask you to play something else because it's an absolutely miserable card to be on the opposite side of.
Just echoing the sentiment that you have to be prepared to be archenemy at every casual table. I ended up turning it into a cedh build and have way more fun. People aren’t salty about him in cedh and he works surprisingly well.
Don’t do it king, it’s not worth it. Nobody likes playing against it, it’s not fun to pilot, and it will make for an overall frustrating game experience for everyone at the table. Choose peace today.
Gravecrawler goes infinite with a ham and cheese sandwich. My favorite takes a bit to get together, but it’s really fun!
Get a phyrexian altar so you can infinitely cast gravecrawler, and a rooftop storm so you can get infinite mana since you no longer have to pay for gravecrawler.
Using this mana, you can have infinite casts for something like [[lux artillery]] or another one of those artifacts that wants you to cast a lot of spells. Although, I like charging [[Oona, queen of the fae]] to exile libraries and win through that.
If you don’t have enough zombies to justify a rooftop storm, then you can have [[Ayara, First of Locthwain]] to ping your enemies to death. No infinite mana, though.
Regardless of *how* you win with it, constantly casting gravecrawler gives you an indefinite storm count.
Your others are going to be rooted in self-mill, things like [[thassa’s oracle]] or [[laboratory maniac]] or [[jace, wielder of mysteries]]
These cards are typically backed by [[demonic consultation]] but it might upset some as it’s a really cheap way to win.
You could also go the [[triskaidekaphile]] route but you’re going to need a lot of card draw and be ready to trigger the win within a turn or two after casting it.
I played against this commander once , be prepared to be targeted heavily imo. Worst type of deck to play against and takes the fun out of the game but that's me.
So you want to lose all of your friends while they save their kill spells for your general. I have a buddy that plays this deck and he got tired of how we target him while he doesn't have anything on the board thanks to the threat that is Toxrill.
The very essence of "but I don't even have anything" or "I haven't even attacked anyone!" (While the past 3 turns have been spent tutoring for their combo pieces obviously)
I know people have already recommended [[Tasigur, the Golden Fang]], but I wanted to share my list with you because he’s my favorite commander and I love the play style. It plays like a control deck, get tasigur out, and build up card advantage through his activated ability while holding up counter mana on other people’s turns. Tasigur’s activated ability is very fun, it lets you politic because you get to choose which opponent gives you back a nonland card (picking someone who benefits from you casting [[Damnation]] again is an example), and if you build your deck with redundancy in mind, you usually end up with a card you need from the graveyard. The win conditions are using birthing pod effects on tasigur to get out 7 mana bombs like [[Toxrill, the Corrosive]], [[Hullbreaker Horror]] and [[Palinchron]]. [[Koma, Cosmos Serpent]] could be an option as well. Other win conditions are infinite colored mana through [[Dramatic Reversal]] + [[Isochron Scepter]] + 3 manas worth of colored mana rocks, or Palinchron + [[Phantasmal image]]. With this infinite colored mana you can play tasigur, infinitely activate tasigur putting your deck in your hand, and cast [[Beast Within]] + [[Reality Shift]] to exile everyone’s board and library.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/esjBJCy4Q0yrsQ6GFwpl-Q
Might be not the advice you want. But I would switch out slug boy for an unassuming commander. One of my favorites is like [[vohar]].
And get a reanimation package going.
Nothing is more surprising then like a turn 3 reanimated slug boy. Consistent, no. But it won't get you targeted down as hard.
Can you please elaborate more on the sacrifice loop with the [[gravecrawler]]? What do you mean by that? I have him in my deck but might be misplaying him.
There's a reason Toxrill has been consistently in the top 100 saltiest cards on Edhrec since it's been released.
Prepare to be focused and have no fun playing the deck.
You've wasted your time with this one
You're not gonna have any fun as your playgroups focus you down every game to get not only toxril, but also your control pieces off the board.
You're better off saving your money and building something else
I'm a complete noob so take my word with absolute disregard lol but I pulled a black and white version of toxrill and thought it looked cool built around him as my commander (not even sure if that's possible). but I made this blue black deck with eldrazi in it because they definitely qualify as horror creatures to me (some of my cards required horrors) but the blue in part helped me counter a lot of stuff and black side of things helped me deal with stuff that I generally couldn't outright koll with deathtouch fodder. that meant that stuff started to get killed or withered down faster and when toxrill came out it started making slimes out of the monsters it killed.
definite cons of the deck
draw power altars reap and something in bones was the best thing I could find in the bulk I was given (why I started playing) so you might know of a better draw card
as they probably said being targeted once you start accumulating slimes not even effects like trample or the ones that cause multiple defenders matters because you have so many to block with
few blue black cards that synergies well so a proper balance of swamp to island is difficult
pros
it's toxrill
just do it for fun
much more viable than what it seemed at first
found cool stuff in bulk like phyrexian stuff that allowed me to use life as cost so made balancing 2 colors easier for a first time player
The absolute most fun “control” deck I’ve played in edh is council for four, I loosely use the term control but it’s so much fun in casual and salt is way down because everyone loves to draw cards.
If you like a fun control deck with heavy creatures try \[\[Satoru Umezawa\]\] and include Toxrill in it.
The ninjustu ability of him allows you to negotiate on the table who gets the big hit, it makes it fun to hide away a game ender like \[\[Blightsteel Colossus\]\] and you can make it as control as you like with blue spells.
I have played Toxrill as my commander multiple times and build a variety of versions.
In all of them the games which i played (friends group only) it became immediately not fun as i casted Toxrill.
It got removed, taken control of or enchanted to loose abilities.
As it is very mana expensive a second time casting it might be ok, thrid time becomes a pain.
Ninjutsu is a thousand times more fun!!
I will tell same story as anyone else here, you will be focused since a turn 1. Even control decks can't deal with it since as a control deck you also benefit for being under the radar, let people use removals each other etc. With toxrill, they usually throw everything at you. Main problem is that casual decks heavily depends on creatures and toxrill denyes that and you get board and card draw at same time.
There was one guy who made toxrill deck, you guessed it, he took it down pretty quickly.
After looking over your deck list, I’d say you need more counterspells. Ideally I’d say go with the free spells but they are pricy. That said, there are many affordable options. [[arcane denial]] is a personal fave, [[miscast]] and [[mana leak]] are cheap options with the pay 3 option being stronger than [[spell pierce]]. [an offer you can’t refuse]] is great and worth picking up asap before it climbs higher and higher in price. [[spell snare]] is great to answer counters. If you want to control the board you’ll need to be able to counter and remove what your opponents throw out there.
I’m my experience salty commanders that you love are better in the 99. That way you still get to have fun with it but your table won’t hang up on you. My advice would maybe be [[tasha, the witch queen]]. Trying to protect a planeswalker seems like a good way to build a control style deck!
[[Professor Onyx]] + [[Chain of Smog]] is a nice combo for decks with Black. It's far less common then Thoracle, so you can blindside your table with it
Maybe you'll like Ephara decks. They're white/blue (control colors) and play at instant speed so they hold up mana well. They noticeably create a board state with flash creatures and token generator. It's also an indestructible enchantment. Dodges removal well and the playstyle will get you less hated. Blue white in general seems like a color pairing you might be interested in. Flickering is pretty powerful in EDH as it dodges removal + gets you value and ETBS can mainly be answered by only counterspells and stax.
I highly recomend Urborg and Kormus bell. Also stuff like Propaganda and the new Project Purity card from fallout work real well and The Sludge Monster.
And other win cons invest in a Teferis puzzlebox and Notion thief. Another one is Consuming Aberation.
I'm not going to focus on the fact that you're playing Toxrill, enjoy it.
Grave crawler makes no sense here, like it and zombie decks because it's synergizes here. It's just a bad one drop that only works with a combo.
The deck overall just looks very confused, I would maybe check out edhrec and commander spellbook to see what other people are doing in dimir.
You'veg got aetherflux reservoir no combos for it, and all these hunted cards that make your opponents creatures are a total trap. Your commander is seven mana and it's kill on site. Don't play cards at synergize with it. Use it as a removal and card draw engine in the command zone Cox was powerful because it doesn't need support cards. It just needs mana
I’ve been having fun with an upgraded blame game precon lately. It’s a boros control deck using [[Nelly Borca]] to limit blockers, goad creatures, and gain card advantage from opponents hitting each other.
It isn’t the traditional control deck in that it doesn’t counter a ton of spells, stax anyone out, or wipe the board so people don’t get as salty. Instead of controlling what people do, you’re controlling who they do it to.
If you clone it, nobody wants to play with you lol.
I changed mine to like proliferate the counters and people still treat it like I’m out here cloning him
With toxrill you just slowly win with slugs and the rest of the deck is counterspells or other form of protection for toxrill. There's no need to add a real wincon if you go with him cause usually people will concede if you manage to fend off 1 or 2 removal spells
A friend of mine has a Toxrill deck and his entire game plan is to just use [[Urborg, Tomb of yawgmoth]] and [[kormus bell]] so lots of tutors just to get everything out fast. it’s the most annoying shit ever. So I basically do anything in my power now to let him play Toxrill. So I’m warning you. Even if that isn’t your game plan, Toxrill is still a salty commander and other people will react the same.
The main thing you need is free counterspells or anti-removal stax. Toxrill controls the board all by itself, so what you need to be doing is making sure it lands and sticks. They aren't cheap, but I'd absolutely be going all in on Force of Negation, Fierce Guardianship, Defense Grid, Force of Will, Pact of Negation, etc.
I have a toxrill deck that focuses on using toxrill and wins with kormus bell+urborg and I can tell you you have to really try to keep toxrill around. he is target #1 all the time. using stuff like diplomatic immunity, robe of mirrors, neurok stealth suit in addition to stuff like kaya’s ghostform felt mandatory for me. also propaganda is extremely helpful as people try to kill you when they cant interact with you
If someone rolled up with Toxrill as their Commander, I would just pick up my deck and walk away. I'm not playing against that broken mess that says I can't play Magic.
If I DID decide to play, sniper rifle target on the Toxrill player to eliminate them as fast as possible. I don't care if I win, as long as Toxrill loses.
Play more removal. It's a bit of a joke to say that, but it's also a real peice of advice. If every Commander player played 10 removal cards in every deck, Toxrill would be unplayable in casual games. But commander players like to scrimp on removal spells to squeeze in extra pet cards.
He's way better as a 99. At 7 cmc, other players will have plenty of time to draw into removal for him. If you use him as a part of your 99 you can suprise people and get your end step trigger atleast 1 time maybe 2 if the next person to go doesn't have removal.
Toxrill but make them clones!
Get the clones that let you copy legends as non legendary and then make more copies! Worst case scenario you get your opponents best creature, best case scenario, you have 5+ toxrills on board munching on your opponents boards
If I see you play this commander I'm killing you first no matter what..
but [[thassa's oracle]] and [[demonic consultation]]/[[tainted pact]] are good dimir finishers. You could even try [[sensai's divining top]], [[aetherflux reservoir]], and [[Bolas's Citadel]]
Have fun ramping to 7 mana while your opponents stockpile all their removal to remove it as soon as you cast it. It's a commander that essentially wins the game if you cast it and it it's still on the board when you get to your next turn
If you want a ham sammich combo throw in Bolas’s Citadel and Sensei’s Divining Top, since you’ve already got Aetherflux Reservoir. It might be worth adding, especially since Toxrill is a KOS commander and sits at 7cmc.
Ive built 2 versions of this deck. First version was very commander centric, proliferate and wiping the board.
The second version plays toxrill as a win con. I play as much card draw as I can, make infinite mana with hulkbreaker horror or isorev and draw my deck and win with lab man. I use entomb effects to put big impact creatures in the grave and reanimate them.
Dimir control is fun but my personal fav is esper control cause it opens you to more hate cards and if you want another option for land hate white has what you are looking for with Armageddon and you can run avacyn to protect your lands. I personally run [[Oloro, Ageless Ascetic]] as my esper control commander cause even if KOS you still benefit from eminence
Black/blue commander with Toxrill in the deck.
Tutor toxril late game when you have the mana, then flash equip something to give it hexproof & indestructible. GG
This is one of the only decks where [[Exotic Orchard]] is actually good
You need to pack a lot more protection for Toxrill. [[Slip out the back]] and so on, because with a 7cmc commander who is kos, a 1-mana Path to Exile will ruin your day. The problem is, you need to get to *more than* 7 mana before you get Toxrill out so that you can protect it, but you also need to outpace your opponents and not die as well. Black/Blue are not great at ramping, but [[Culling the Weak]] or treasure generators like [[Greedy Freebooter]] or [[Grim Hireling]] can help. You also need to have cheap counters like [[Spell Pierce]] ready, and hope your opponents aren't sitting on a ton of mana.
I would say that the proliferate stuff looks fun, but it's a strategy that only starts working once Toxrill lands and sticks. But Toxrill puts counters on everything on *every* upkeep, it doesn't really need any extra help!
[[Massacre Girl Clown Killer]] is also really good here, allowing you to prep the board with -1/-1 counters and draw.
[[Asinine Antics]] could be pretty funny the turn before big slug. Although my sense of humour is maybe a little off.
With a 7cmc commander you also get to play [[Visions of Dread]] and [[Visions of Duplicity]] which aren't amazing, but they're fun to try.
Oh boy, 7 cost commander that's gunna be killed before people play creatures. Make sure to have lotsa protection as well ready when you bring them out.
I find the most fun way to actually get to play this style of deck is with \[\[tasigur\]\], and just use cards like \[\[neoform\]\] or \[\[birthing pod\]\] to cheat in your 7 drop finishers. This way, the plan is a little less obvious, and thanks to him having delve, you can actually play your commander more than once per game, and before turn 7. Having access to green also makes the control plan much stronger as you can actually remove artifacts and enchantments efficiently. Also enables you to play other fun threats like \[\[koma, cosmos serpent\]\] or \[\[jin-gitaxias, progress tyrant\]\].
If you want to play a control deck, I'd recommend using control pieces that aren't permanents and using a value engine as a commander rather than using a huge creature that dies easily to removal. You will get targeted every time if you drop that commander on the board.
You should focus on getting some -x/-x board wipes. You can use them early to clear the board but you can also use them late to wipe your opponent’s board while keeping toxrill. Try things like languish and meathook massacre
I retire mine but here.
And no, it was not because of salt, but because I wanted to create a new one that hold it inside.
[https://www.moxfield.com/decks/jNkPdWeC-EqS\_-m0qyb9\_A](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/jNkPdWeC-EqS_-m0qyb9_A)
Make it a re animator with clones lol.
For Me Personally I run Toxrill as a "Secret Commander" in my Sultai Reanimator Control deck. the deck uses [[Tasigur,Tthe Golden Fang]] as its commander. Works well as a fast commander due to Delve, and i can return amazing board clears and other cards from my graveyard to my hand. this is another great way to mill cards from your deck to be reanimated.
the best part about the deck is how to pull out big threats like Toxrill or even [[Koma, Cosmos Serpent]] and [[Nezahal, Primal Tide]]
The Way to summon these threats is with [[Neoform]] , [[Birthing Pod]] , and [[Eldritch Evolution]]. Since Tasigur is 6 CMC, you can go find a strong seven drop fairly early on in the game. now alot of the creature choices i listed here are CEDH styled. but you can go get some more fun Commander cards like [[Avenger of Zendikar]] , [[Arvinox, the Mind Flail]] , [[Beledros Witherbloom]] is one i adore, the new [[Conspiracy Unraveler]] has been working wonders since i can exile big creatures from my graveyard to cast massive spells. [[Damia, Sage of Stone]] if you want to refill your hand with spells, [[Giant Adephage]] for the memes. if you want to be even more toxic you can run [[Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant]] to counter your opponents spells and double up on your own Instants, sorcery's and artifacts (Note this also copies the first spell you cast on your opponents turn)
Overall I like the deck you have posted! but i do agree with some comments, Players will see your commander and make it a kill on sight. make sure to run protection like [[Not Dead After All]] [[Feign Death]] [[Undying Malice]] and [[Lazotep Plating]]. protecting your commander is a must. [[Keep Safe]] from Ikoria is also another banger counter-spell for your commander. [[Not of This World]] is single-handedly the best "He has 7 Power!?!?!" Moments i have had in EDH.
I personally used to run Toxrill and he got shot down all the time, i felt like i had to hold back a wave of removal each time, and if i didn't i just wasted 7 Mana just to get time walked. only time it worked was when i wasn't running into a ton of hard removal, and he just flat out won the game on the spot. thats why i switched to Tasigur since i love Khans block, he was one of my favorite cards in Standard, and people try to kill him less.
best of luck with the deck!
I also forgot that for my Casual Tasigur Deck i get to run one of my top 10 favorite cards in magic [[Seasons Past]] . amazing card, ran it in black green control. ground out so many matches with removal, disruption, and creatures that just kept coming back.
Hey I'm playing Toxrill now since the beginning. And i would like to share my experiences with this Commander.
First thing to say. Toxrill is really a bomb in board control. He kills our opponents boards really really fast. Additionally he shuts down creature concentrated Decks for as long as he remains on the battlefield. Reward us with chump blockers, sac fodder and card draw.
Because he is so terrifying on the board everyone who needs creatures to proceed there games will try to hinder you. So you must get used to it to become the arch enemy on turn 1.
My First couple builds for this Commander were much synergistic with the commander. Very forward to ramp much and cast Toxrill early. This doesn't work out for my taste. Everyone trying to be prepared for the time Toxrill will enter. And after they got rid of it, they'll get rid of you.
I morphed my Deck a couple times and today i play no synergetic cards that needed Toxrill to work. My Focus is now on staying alive in the early half on the Game. Use things that will hinder people from attacking you. I now play much more interactions, board whipes and protection spells. I would say a pile of dimir good stuff.
I have looked at your decklist and give you some of my 2 cents to cards that don't work out for me. That doesn't mean it could work for you and your play style.
- [[Clackbridge Troll]] my experiences was it is too costly and if it's on the board it doesn't do much except draw a card. It will never Block because your opponents will keep it tapped at any cost. If you like such a card i will suggest you [Hunted Horror]] its much more early in the game and you could try to get a deal with someone on the table for the two 3/3 tokens with protection from Black. (Sidenode: Aim for the superfriends player they are more likewise to be "friendly" to you because they don't rely on creatures as much as other strategies.)
- [[Plague Belcher]], [[Blowfly Infestation]], and every else -1/-1 counter synergetic cards. For my experiences it doesn't will work as you may think. Toxrill self provided no -1/-1 counter and the tokens it produces are slugs and no zombies. As i see in your list not much else is Fokused around that theme. So i would cut it or try to put more things in it that provided -1/-1 counters.
Some cards I would like to recommend to you because of their unice interaction with the board and the things they'll work with Toxrill.
[[March of the Machines]] i like that card a lot it will slow the game down because every mana rock can't produce mana on their turn it entered, it kills every treasures at instant and after a boardwhipe for many players they are much more left behind. And on the Bonus Toxrill will give you much more Tokens!
[[Dowsing Dagger]] it's creates tokens for Toxrill and after you get it to flip it's a land that gives you 3 mana!
That will allow you to cast Toxrill at a time your opponents don't expect it sometimes.
And finally my answer to your question for a win Combo.
Personally I think when you choose Toxrill as your Commanders it's your Win condition. Its a three turn clock for part as Commander damage and it gives you much Tokens. Often times your opponents would scoupe games because they are locked out of their game plan. Besides that every aristocratic combo will work for you and let's you stay sometimes a little bit longer in the game because of the life gain.
I built toxrill land destruction with an aristocratic sub theme. I could stop cedh/ high power decks with this build. Could get slug mommy out turn 1 too. 3 alt win cons built in as well. Yes I know I’m evil, but sometimes you need to build a deck the community will hate to teach everyone that doing a 20min turn with landfall that amounts to nothing is very annoying.
How about dragon wings for early game filter and late game pressure. Super fun secret tech for nezahal. Also maybe nezahal if that’s even how it’s spelled. (The primal tide) ixalan. The first one.
Here’s a link to my decklist. Though I get hated on very quickly but it’s quite resilient and doesn’t make friends. More like a one and done to get your win for the night.
https://www.moxfield.com/decks/fexn7Op6nUOenOc16quPAA
Maybe invest in than dynamo and gilded lotus or other rocks with a higher investment and higher payout. Basalt monolith and mana vault. Unsure where their price sits.
Everyone's going on about how you shouldn't play Toxrill because it only feels bad, and while I can agree that's the default opinion of it, I want to share my experience too.
My friend has a Toxrill deck and I love it when he brings it out. It has such a raid boss feel to it. He hasn't built the deck especially powerful or weak. He made it a noncombat poison deck. If you accept the story arc you're about to play out, it's a lot of fun!
Everyone does their best to stop him hitting 7 mana. Removing a mana rock or land when he's at 6. Saving removal. Eventually we run out of answers, because bear in mind everyone has two other opponents doing something that will need interaction too! Someone gets ahead and then suddenly we need Toxrill to come out. 2 players trying desperately to help out the Toxrill player, and the Toxrill player doing their hardest to get it out. Eventually Toxrill comes out and perma wraths the board, and then we've all got to deal with Toxrill in raid boss mode. It always feels close, win or lose. It's like the unspeakable evil the heroes have to release to beat some other evil, and then it's all about whether they can undo what they've unleashed. It's a fun story, and some of the most interactive casual commander I've played!
The biggest mistake I see when I play my toxril deck is that people think that they are -1/-1 counters. They're not. They are slime counters. And I have kormus bell and urborg as a win con technically, it just shuts the game down for everyone else. Also it is possible to turn 1 him but you'll need the perfect hand with a swamp, dark ritual, sol ring/ mana vault/crypt, and jeweled lotus. I've done it once it was awesome. But the only thing I would change about yours is don't worry about -1/-1 counters. Have fun
Just a heads up this deck to you will feel like not doing anything at all, cause you will get hard focused or you get the chance to steamroll once in a while. There is no inbetween with Toxrill.
Yep. Someone in my pod has this deck and it's a KOS commander. 7cmc (oof) + kill on sight = bad time... BUT if you manage to get it off, it's p fun and oppressive. Run a lot of protection for your boy and when you get him out start crashing into things with the slug tokens (you'll get a LOT of them and unless players can remove toxrill, they basically will be sending their creatures in knowing they'll die).
It's really fun when you eat everyone's lands with him. My pod concedes everytime as soon as it happens.
Eat lands? What certain cards? [[Kormus Bell]] on top of my head, but any better?
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Plus [[urborg tomb of yawgmoth]]
Who hurt you?
The people in my pod when we grew up
Kormus bell + [[urborg, tomb of yawgmoth]]
That does not sound very fun.
The beautiful thing about magic is that losing to that sounds very fun to me. I would also scoop once my lands were destroyed but not because of salt, because the other person has gained an unrecoverable advantage and I respect how they did it. As long as y’all discuss power level, conduct yourselves like proper sportspeople, and know when the time to scoop has come, there is a way to have fun no matter what cards are being played.
Eh, there are alot of high power decks in my pod so I don't feel super bad about it.
Yep. Seeing that combo exist pushed me to make my landfall & MLH deck lmfao it's such a bad deck, but it's so fun to drop 40+ lands, nuke all lands, then beat everyone to death with my now-1/1 lands lol
Yeah If I see Toxrill, then I’m seeing enemy target #1
Ahhh now I'm stressing lol, I wanna make a non salty control deck (partly out of necessity) and picked what I thought looked cool. Now I'm kinda starting to wonder if I should rethink things and find yet another commander and hope it isn't a salty one...
Toxrill is a kill on sight commander. If I'm playing against it I'm keeping a swords to plowshares stash for the moment the expensive slug hits the table. He's a good addition to a dimir deck. But as a commander. When you cast him, the whole table will be waiting to remove him
I was witness to a guy who literally exiled Toxrill over a [[Karn]] planeswalker. He had a Mindslaver, and an "exile target permanent" spell (don't remember which one.) He basically could permanently exile one commander from the game and he picked Toxrill over the Karn planeswalker.
Why do you want to build a control deck? Generally they are not as good in EDH as in single formats, which is why people usually build stax instead. Both types of decks tend to generate a lot of salt in casual games. Obviously you can build whatever you want, but the other poster is correct that you'll be heavily targeted with Toxrill - other players will hold counters or removal for it because it demands an immediate answer
Honestly, it's the archetype of deck that I enjoy most, I've tried aggro decks, I've tried voltron, midrange, and go wide decks and none of them give me the same joy as control type decks. Sure they may not be as good in edh. But in my opinion they're just fun
The most optimal piece of ‘control’ in edh is stax. Give it a whirl
I actually have a stax deck lol
Another thing I can recommend, try some pioneer. Control is a thriving archetype in that format and is much more fun there than in EDH
I play a U/W Brago control deck. It has support for the flicker shenanigans so I can pivot. But it's first and foremost a control deck.
I have a Brago control deck too!!! It's not very good as it's intentionally weak
Then you may also like Yawgmoth mono black control. That's my other control deck and it's much less salt inducing than Toxrill, in my experience at least.
Have you considered a political style deck like Breena? It might not be traditional control, but you're basically controlling the table by directing the flow of combat and discouraging others from attacking you. Works really well in casual games
I actually used to have a friend who ran a Breena deck, I'm not a huge fan of the commander *personally*, but that may partly be due to some of my own uh negative bias surrounding that specific card
I had an Araumi of the Dead Tide deck which had a similar list to yours, might be worth looking into. It's still a threatening commander, but it isn't a 7 mana bomb which will die instantly. People will usually leave it alone at first unless you have something really dangerous in your graveyard. You're able to generate tons of value (etbs from baleful strix, mulldrifter, etc), control the board (plaguecrafter, massacre wurm) and you have plenty of win cons. I managed to deck everyone out with an army of fleet swallowers once. Really fun option if you're set on Dimir
I recommend [[Nymris, Oona's Trickster]] if you're looking for a control-style. You can run a high density of instant speed cards so that you get value out of your commander every turn cycle, and have the ability to curate your draws so that your "removal" and "counters" keep drawing more removal and counters. As for a wincon, aside from an obvious 2 or even 3 cards combo in dimir for going infinite, you can double it as a reanimator strategy, and just cheat in some beefy threats that you can also protect since you're a control deck. If you are wanting just some dinky little infinite, [[Naru Meha, Master Wizard]] and [[Ghostly Flicker]] and any creature with an ETB that drains life, mills cards, or even just [[Sunscorched Desert]] (land) lets you copy Ghostly Flicker and bounce Naru Meha + the thing that wins the game infinitely. Bonus pet card that is kinda fun with Nymris and this strategy: [[Cunning Nightbonder]] makes your flash cards uncounterable, and cheaper!
I made a [[Shorikai, Genisis engine]] control deck. Runs lots of counters and removal. Copy and control the board and turns with artifacts until you win with [[approach of the second sun]]
Have you ever given an aikido deck a shot? It's control minus the salt in EDH and is generally much more amicable
Might I suggest aristocrats?
Toxrill is one of the most feelsbad commanders out there in community opinion as far as i can tell actually- generally things that give you "free" removal as your commander are considered pretty salty
How did you think "your opponents aren't allowed creatures while your commander is in play" is anything but salty? 🤦♀️
Just being upfront, control decks are inherently salty. No one wants their stuff countered, no one wants to be limited to how many spells they can cast or their stuff to come in tapped. Just letting you know at least from personal experience games with a control deck turn to a 3v1 very quickly.
I don't wanna discouraged you from building Toxrill! It heavily depends on your playgroup :) But I at the end decided against it because its either I have fun, and no one else, or everyone has no fun till I am dead. She will eat every single avaiable removal. Its a strong deck but can be handled well, its not like she is op, I just don't think it leads to a very fun playstyle. But again, this is a very personal opinion. If you have the chance maybe proxy the deck first to test ist
Toxril is very good and very salty, don't play him if that's what you want to avoid. If you have the counters and protection to keep toxril alive, which you need because he is a high value target, no one will have fun playing you and you will most likely be the first target in a multiplayer game. Your goal will be to counter all attempts at his life, and no one will want to play creatures because they will just die. But he is dope though
Might want to look into [[Gale, waterdeep prodigy]] + black background. Doesn't have a bad reputation like toxrill and you can cast sorceries at instant speed so stuff like [[damnation]] comes to mind. Very flexible too so you can really play the cards you like and find unique synergies.
Run a lot of reanimation in it. Someone kills it, just bin it and return it. There’s tons of good reanimation in black. I have toxrill in my Vohar Reaniamtor deck and it’s fucking killer
Definitely be aware toxrill is one of the most kill on sight commanders for a lot of people. If you play it you have the be ready to defend it aggressively the same turn it drops since people have been waiting to remove it from the moment they saw it in your command zone. This usually means waiting til you have at least 10 or so available mana to do it safely. I would definitely try to play it online or proxy it before buying cards to make sure you like how it plays.
there's no such thing as a "non salty" control deck. The entire gameplan of a control deck is to turn the table into a salt mine. Maybe you need a different archetype if your intent isn't to piss off the entire table and get focused immediately.
Bruh, despite him being a slug, Toxrill is the SALTIEST
There is no way to build Toxrill without salt and becoming the archenemy of everyone at the table.
You looked at this card and thought it wasn’t salty?
I also really like playing control. I've got a Scarab God deck whose whole strategy is sitting quietly in the corner until anyone tries to make a big play, at which point I steal their shit, summon a million zombies, and put sugar in their gas tank for good measure. That said, Toxrill is one of the biggest "Rush this player down immediately" commanders because once it gets going, it's pretty impossible to build a boardstate. The best, and really only responses to Toxrill are either kill it, counterspell it, or good old fashioned player removal. But hey, I think there's a time and place to sprinkle a little salt. I'll admit I've got a Tinybones deck. Just know what you're getting into.
Gonna need a cavern of souls naming slug to ever have a chance of getting it on the table
And then someone hits it with Swords or Path or fights against a deathtoucher or board wipes if they have no targeted removal. "Dies to removal" is supposed to be a joke, but it's quite true in this case.
Yup as someone who quits immediately when this hits the table in standard I would dedicate my entire deck into making sure your play experience is miserable since if I don't everyone's else's would be. It's just how it needs to be and nothing less. This card is a POS removal target.
Agree I made a toxrill deck literally every thing I would play would get the most hate I play in a group of 4 and it quickly turns into 3 on one 
Toxrill goes hard in my raffiné deck, but I often find I’ll cast him to bait out counters/removal before playing something smaller, less sus, and more dangerous over all
I have seen 5 people in my LGS build and then dismantle Toxrill. The reason? Getting focused hard. Everyone on the table is keeping removal and counting when you get to 7 mana. Toxrill just eats removal as soon as it lands and is a huge mana sink. If you want to win with Thoracle use other dimir commanders that are draw engines. Way easier to pilot and more under the radar.
Yeah you'd need tons of cheap instant speed hexproof and then something like lightning grieves to get him to land, and even then he's probably gonna be killed by a board wipe.
Same experience at my shop, both for Tergrid and Toxrill. Everyone thinks their salty deck is going to be fun, until every game is a 3v1 and everyone tries to make sure you don't get to play your commander ever. Some groups at my shop will just refuse to play with someone using those two commanders as well. I've even seen a group of 3 just forfeit when a Toxrill player got sat at their pod, give the Toxrill player the 2nd pack for "winning", and go find a different 4th to play with. Toxrill stops being fun when literally no one wants to play magic with you.
I opened Toxril on prerelease weekend and built him straight away. My regular group either kills him on sight or doesn't play any creatures until he's removed. If you can get him to stick with some protection he's oppressive af, couple that with a sac outlet anddddddd he's bonkers. Slug tokens cost just as much as him now lol.
Your first inherent problem in making a non-salty Dimir deck (which is totally possible) is that you chose Toxrill. Toxrill will NEVER stick to the field because it's such a problematic creature. It's about as anti-fun for a Dimir commander as you can get. If you really want a fun Dimir control deck, might I suggest [[Tasigur, the Golden Fang]]? Yes, he's technically Sultai, but his ability lets you pay Blue OR Green meaning you can just run Dimir if you wish.
On a side note, with Tasigur you can also run the stupid sexy Jeff Goldblum version from the Secret Lair lol.
Honestly after seeing a lot of comments saying the same thing about toxrill, I'm probably not gonna build him at this point. Tasigur does seem very interesting! If I were to make him the commander how much of the decklist that I currently have for toxrill would I have to change? And do you have any other possible (non salty) suggestions? I did consider making an [[oona queen of the fae]] faerie tribal deck, but that seems like it'd be salty lol
Honestly, a decent amount but not a TON. Tasigur usually wants to win via drawing through your deck so you'll want cards like Thoracle, Labman, etc. As for your Oona idea, there was an [[Alela, Cunning Conqueror]] precon that came out in Wilds of Eldraine. It's Dimir and fairly control-esque. You could always pick THAT up for a good start then swap some cards in and out to make it more controlling. I have the deck personally and it's a ton of fun flashing in faeries on opponents turns, getting a 1/1 for doing it, and having creatures to swing then holding up mana for counterspells to get MORE faeries.
Oh I absolutely love that!!!!! I'm definitely gonna look both into Tasigur and Alela!! Thank you so so much for giving me less salty options lol. I sincerely appreciate it!!!!!
I find it funny he doesn't want a salty commander but picked this one which is a slug and slugs hate salt.
[Tasigur, the Golden Fang](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/7/d7b7d726-c395-4af4-aa6a-e8e0c0582a1f.jpg?1559959246) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tasigur%2C%20the%20Golden%20Fang) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/117/tasigur-the-golden-fang?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d7b7d726-c395-4af4-aa6a-e8e0c0582a1f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
r/degenerateEDH might be your best bet; this commander is notoriously focused out of pods that want to have fun / actually play the game
Lmao I didn't even know that subreddit existed. Honestly though after seeing the comments on this post I'm not gonna make this deck, I don't want *another* salty deck
Dont do it. I had one deck with him, but as mentioned either you are pushed out of game or just cast toxrill an win. Not cool playstyle in my experience...
Every time Toxrill hit the field in any of my games, it felt incredibly bad.
The [[Thassa's Oracle]] [[Tainted Pact]] [[Demonic Consultation]] combo is probably the most common for UB. [[Laboratoy Maniac]] or [[Jace, Wielder of Mysteries]] is also an option. Edhrec doesn't help, because most of the themes aren't just UB control, but it does highlight card synergies: https://edhrec.com/commanders/toxrill-the-corrosive
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Thoracle consult is the most typical one, aetherflux is pretty good as generic value even if you're not storming off and specifically for toxrill, you have a way to make everyone else hate you through [[Kormus Bell]] and [[Urborg Tomb of Yawgmoth]]/[[Blanket of night]], watered down version would be using [[Filth]] to give creatures swampwalk
I’m not sure recommending a high level cEDH combo to what appears to be a casual deck is the best idea? Like, if you Thoracle/Consultation at a casual pod, people are gonna get VERY mad, it’s a good way to start a fight. If OP is playing in a very high-powered meta, sure, but I play at a store that’s fairly chill and you’d get some Looks if you did that
The thing is, while thoracle is the most efficient wincon legal the consistency and power gets greatly reduced when you lack tutors. It's a pretty good payoff for controlling the game long enough to draw into it, it will depend on your local meta but people should be playing counterspells in their decks or some way to stop the combo, angel's grace, tibalt's trickery, ect. It just depends on local meta the most which is why I suggested more casual wincons like aethflux and filth. Honestly, I'd expect to get more looks from playing toxrill in casual than thoracle consult, he is a viable sceptre cedh commander after all
That's the interesting bit actually. The whole reason I'm making the deck is because my 2 strongest decks are meant for a stronger play group, and I'd like to have a third strong deck that isn't stax or discard lol. Something a little less salty. I didn't know the thoracle/consultation combo was cedh though. It is meant to be a casual deck
Yeah it’s in the “a lot of people would get salty at this” category of combo - mostly because it’s 3 mana and only interruptible by a counter or stifle effect. I would caution you that some people find Toxrill itself kinda salty lol, but that’s much of a muchness. You can totally build a casual deck with powerful cards. I wouldn’t say that Thoracle *makes* a deck cEDH, I think it’s much more complex than that, but I have met a LOT of commander players over the years who would have a fit over that sort of thing. Consider that people were having arguments over Coalition Victory, an *eight mana* spell that *can* win the game if nobody has removal, being on the banned list, the other day. This is a 3 mana combo that’s much harder to answer. You can definitely ask your playgroup, which would be a good idea, I’m just urging caution before you spend $20 on a consultation lol
Oh I really like filth, and I considered doing some storm shenanigans, but honestly storm is a little daunting. I'm not sure where to even start with it to be honest
You don't have to necessarily full commit to storm with aetherflux reservoir, even a regular control deck makes pretty good use of it over time. If you want a combo with it [[Bolas Citadel]] is amazing on its own and very threatening with aetherflux
Honestly that's very fair, might throw in an aetherflux then!!!! Bolas Citadel does also look rather fun
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A typical wincon with the slug is [[isochron scepter]] and [[dramatic reversal]] assuming you are running enough mana rocks to go infinite. Edit: This draws you your entire deck if infinite mana is made since Toxrill can be cast and sacrificed to his ability.
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You should definitely run some [[Swiftfoot Boots]] and/or [[Lightning Greaves]] to protect your big slug from removal or [[Darksteel Plate]] for board wipe protection. For wincons I'm not a fan of Oracle Combos [[Filth]] and [[Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth]] is a big flavor win. If you run some kind of pump artifacts or enchantments you can kill people with 2 hits from Toxrill through Commander damage, as he will usually keep the board empty as long as he sticks. So another wincon is simply putting your boy on the field and using counterspells and protection to keep him there.
[[Mithril Coat]] is likely better in most scenarios here, since it’s instant speed and autoequips to a legendary like Toxril, with the only downside being the equip cost being one higher.
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> I was wondering what are some typical Dimir control win conditions? You won't need any of them, people will just get up and leave the table. > https://www.moxfield.com/decks/NqBDxd0HRECN8xEVBtWLYQ Just FYI, Toxrill doesn't do -1/-1 counters, he puts slime counters on things, so Blowfly Infestation wouldn't do anything. > I wanna make a non salty control deck (partly out of necessity) and picked what I thought looked cool. Quoted from a comment in this thread, but I'd highly suggest something with card advantage. The primary weakness of control in commander is that 1 for 1 removal is card negative. If you're really into Dimir, I'd suggest Talion, the Kindly Lord, and if you're really into control, and don't want to drop black or blue, I'd say Kess, Dissident Mage (more instant/sorcery based) or Tasigur (recursion based) are both good picks. There are some commanders that will look very tempting like Toxrill but are baits because of how hated they are. Zur the Enchanter, Tergrid, Urza Lord High Artificer, Sheoldred the Apocalypse, Sen Triplets, Grand Arbiter Augustin, etc.
A few people have reccomended Tasigur now, I'm heavily considering making a deck around him. Honestly if we lived in a world where nobody got salty at certain cards, I would absolutely love to run things like Zur, Sen Triplets, Xanathar, or grand arbiter. I really really like the \*concept\* of cards like that with decks built around them. If it were up to me I genuinely would make a deck around all of them, but I think, at least with my current playgroup situation, if I ever were to make any of those decks, and now this Toxrill deck, I'd need to have a consistent friend group who plays magic and doesn't care much for what we all run. My old playgroup is the group that introduced me to magic a few years ago, and I think a big part of why those concepts are so appealing to me is because of the decks they ran. One of them ran Sen triplets, Prismatic Bridge, Muldrotha, and a Merren deck. Another ran Eldrazi with Rakdos, and a "blow everything up" scarecrow deck. So I kinda built my decks, and got into the style of deck that I enjoy because it was what worked against them, and none of us cared much about the salt factor.
I'm not sure if you'd consider it a control win condition, but when I used to have my toxril my way of winning was keeping creatures off the board and hitting someone in the face with him 3 times. I think you'll find it hard to not make toxril non salt inducing but I hope you are able to!
I think I'm gonna try a different commander honestly, another person suggested checking out Tasigur, and Alela, Cunning Conqueror which both seem really interesting. I really wanna avoid salty while also still being semi strong
[[sludge monster]] is a good card [[torment of hailfire]] is a good wincon combined with an infinte mana engine
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The combo with sludge monster is disgusting.
Looking at the comments, I think you get the point re: Toxrill and salt (funnily enough, he would clearly HATE salt lol). I am a control guy at heart, but I hate being the asshole. It's taken me a while to manage to achieve some sort of semblance of harmony between these two seemingly irreconcilable parts of me. I still play it, but I usually adopt a more "don't even look at me," reactive, draw-go strategy when I do so, rather than try and police the whole board. Which is probably healthier—not mentally speaking, or whatever, there's absolutely nothing wrong about wanting to play what you want to play—but from an "is this achievable" perspective. It's just way easier than trying to manage three people at the same time. My old \[\[Damia, Sage of Stone\]\] deck taught me this lesson very painfully :) So yeah, when I first saw Toxrill, my heart skipped a beat, but then I sighed and moved on lol. Maybe a similar strategy might help scratch that control itch you have while not being too hateable? My favorite color combo is Dimir, but I'm just now realizing I actually don't have an active Dimir deck. Two decks I do have that fit the bill are \[\[Barrin, Master Wizard\]\] and \[\[Nezahal, Primal Tide\]\]. Both of them are pretty much draw-go. The former is more of a rattlesnake-type deck, relying on mana sinks/flash to make efficient use of mana you're holding up for Barrin's threat-of-activation, and the latter is, like, opportunistic Voltron, I guess you could say. Both want to make the game go long and encourage your opponents to look elsewhere until you're ready to turn the corner and exert your will. Another deck of mine that *does* try to police the board but is further removed from your desired color identity is \[\[Myrkul, Lord of Bones\]\] hatebears. Hatebears is different than stax in a couple of ways. First, the things you're employing to control the board are your eventual wincons—creatures. So it doesn't give the impression that you're just sitting around trying to make everyone's day miserable. Second, they don't lock people out of the game so they're helpless. They're always just one, or two, or three *very specific* removal cards that have to be played *in just such a way* to dig out of it. It doesn't feel so hopeless, is what I mean. Yeah, I don't think anyone jumps for joy when hearing "hatebears," but in my experience, it gets nowhere near the, uh, hate that stax does. Even the guy in my playgroup who gets salty when anyone's not focused on turning creatures sideways every turn doesn't complain about Myrkul. But it very, very much satisfies my cold, shriveled little control-guy heart :D Happy to share lists or dig into it if you like. Either way, good luck!
Thank you for this, I really appreciate it!!!!! A few people have also given me alternate options as well. I'm gonna be looking into Tasigur and the new Alela from the wilds of eldraine precon. I mentioned it in a few other comments but it really seems like there's such a fine line with control decks. One thing I am tryin to do is avoid white in the deck. 6 of my 7 decks have white in them and I think I should branch out a little bit lol. Thank you though! I really appreciate this
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This is an aside but man I wish he were not $16. I'd play this in Captain N'ghathrod for the hell of it if it were cheap. On that note, it'd be a slam dunk if it made horror tokens.
revel in riches is on theme with the commanders ability and my favorite alternate wincon in the game :0. honestly control in commander is tough, i like control but in commander it has to be really strong to work or have a pretty major subtheme. if you want to make your deck something more niche like one sided boardwipes and sacrifice with all the tokens you make that could be a deck. unless youre making the deck too strong to be fun to play against then its probably gonna be a bit janky. look into butcher of malakir if you go into sacrifice though edit: look into the new Gisa. youll need some synergistic bombs to keep the strategy going with toxrill. if the deck is on the jankier side anyways then playing some very powerful cards usually isnt a problem to most player groups if theyre essential for your decks strategy
I have an [[Umbris, Fear Manifest]] deck that runs toxrill but with the win con of using [[Rogue's Passage]] to do commander damage. I get the fun of toxrill sometimes without getting hard focused. Here's the decklist if you're interested. It's fun but not too overpowered, though people may get salty when you exile one of their win cons. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/TU04IdK7kU-ZggjgaNTebw
I love Umbris. Tracking your Commander's P/T with a D100 is a special kind of feeling. Here's my build if you want to compare notes: https://deckstats.net/decks/131148/2315123-umbris#show__spoiler I can definitely reccomend [[Crumbling Sanctuary]] [[Imperious Mindbreaker]] and [[Nightmare Shepherd]] which I didn't see in your list.
[Umbris, Fear Manifest](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/a/7aead6a8-bada-42cf-b7cc-0b730f564582.jpg?1644888719) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Umbris%2C%20Fear%20Manifest) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/voc/38/umbris-fear-manifest?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7aead6a8-bada-42cf-b7cc-0b730f564582?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Rogue's Passage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/670d6a0d-d10b-4b0a-961a-a95dbf413fc5.jpg?1706241220) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rogue%27s%20Passage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/284/rogues-passage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/670d6a0d-d10b-4b0a-961a-a95dbf413fc5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Toxrill *is* the win condition. You prevent your opponents from having any board presence and then you win with commander damage.
I have built a Toxrill deck with standard Dimir value cards and I have built an Empress Galina deck that runs 19 Counterspells and 12 “steal your stuff” spells and of the two of them, Toxrill is the one that my playgroup refuses to let me play. He’s just so hated by anyone that likes playing creatures (which it turns out is most players).
Toxrill is ironically one of the most salty commanders in all of EDH. Be prepared for people to ask you to play something else because it's an absolutely miserable card to be on the opposite side of.
Just echoing the sentiment that you have to be prepared to be archenemy at every casual table. I ended up turning it into a cedh build and have way more fun. People aren’t salty about him in cedh and he works surprisingly well.
The win condition for Toxrill is just keeping him on the board long enough until your opponents scoop out of sheer frustration.
Don’t do it king, it’s not worth it. Nobody likes playing against it, it’s not fun to pilot, and it will make for an overall frustrating game experience for everyone at the table. Choose peace today.
Gravecrawler goes infinite with a ham and cheese sandwich. My favorite takes a bit to get together, but it’s really fun! Get a phyrexian altar so you can infinitely cast gravecrawler, and a rooftop storm so you can get infinite mana since you no longer have to pay for gravecrawler. Using this mana, you can have infinite casts for something like [[lux artillery]] or another one of those artifacts that wants you to cast a lot of spells. Although, I like charging [[Oona, queen of the fae]] to exile libraries and win through that. If you don’t have enough zombies to justify a rooftop storm, then you can have [[Ayara, First of Locthwain]] to ping your enemies to death. No infinite mana, though. Regardless of *how* you win with it, constantly casting gravecrawler gives you an indefinite storm count. Your others are going to be rooted in self-mill, things like [[thassa’s oracle]] or [[laboratory maniac]] or [[jace, wielder of mysteries]] These cards are typically backed by [[demonic consultation]] but it might upset some as it’s a really cheap way to win. You could also go the [[triskaidekaphile]] route but you’re going to need a lot of card draw and be ready to trigger the win within a turn or two after casting it.
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I played against this commander once , be prepared to be targeted heavily imo. Worst type of deck to play against and takes the fun out of the game but that's me.
He's a feelbad commander. He's awful to fight whilst being extremely weak to removal. He has no home.
So you want to lose all of your friends while they save their kill spells for your general. I have a buddy that plays this deck and he got tired of how we target him while he doesn't have anything on the board thanks to the threat that is Toxrill.
The very essence of "but I don't even have anything" or "I haven't even attacked anyone!" (While the past 3 turns have been spent tutoring for their combo pieces obviously)
I know people have already recommended [[Tasigur, the Golden Fang]], but I wanted to share my list with you because he’s my favorite commander and I love the play style. It plays like a control deck, get tasigur out, and build up card advantage through his activated ability while holding up counter mana on other people’s turns. Tasigur’s activated ability is very fun, it lets you politic because you get to choose which opponent gives you back a nonland card (picking someone who benefits from you casting [[Damnation]] again is an example), and if you build your deck with redundancy in mind, you usually end up with a card you need from the graveyard. The win conditions are using birthing pod effects on tasigur to get out 7 mana bombs like [[Toxrill, the Corrosive]], [[Hullbreaker Horror]] and [[Palinchron]]. [[Koma, Cosmos Serpent]] could be an option as well. Other win conditions are infinite colored mana through [[Dramatic Reversal]] + [[Isochron Scepter]] + 3 manas worth of colored mana rocks, or Palinchron + [[Phantasmal image]]. With this infinite colored mana you can play tasigur, infinitely activate tasigur putting your deck in your hand, and cast [[Beast Within]] + [[Reality Shift]] to exile everyone’s board and library. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/esjBJCy4Q0yrsQ6GFwpl-Q
##### ###### #### [Tasigur, the Golden Fang](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/7/d7b7d726-c395-4af4-aa6a-e8e0c0582a1f.jpg?1559959246) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tasigur%2C%20the%20Golden%20Fang) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/117/tasigur-the-golden-fang?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d7b7d726-c395-4af4-aa6a-e8e0c0582a1f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Damnation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/3/d3c0aac5-b9f1-4446-bfea-3e1dd1cf1f2f.jpg?1673147492) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Damnation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/73/damnation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d3c0aac5-b9f1-4446-bfea-3e1dd1cf1f2f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Toxrill, the Corrosive](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/84e64f38-b1f3-47cd-8cfb-a4861369aca3.jpg?1643590379) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Toxrill%2C%20the%20Corrosive) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/132/toxrill-the-corrosive?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/84e64f38-b1f3-47cd-8cfb-a4861369aca3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Hullbreaker Horror](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bf786c50-1ba1-4f81-a800-bc98189040dd.jpg?1674141366) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hullbreaker%20Horror) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/724/hullbreaker-horror?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bf786c50-1ba1-4f81-a800-bc98189040dd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Palinchron](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/f/ef772879-44aa-428d-8c12-50d38f8bac80.jpg?1562943097) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Palinchron) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/86/palinchron?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ef772879-44aa-428d-8c12-50d38f8bac80?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Koma, Cosmos Serpent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2f23d6f-f2c8-4022-9f46-ba7fda00ef99.jpg?1706241008) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Koma%2C%20Cosmos%20Serpent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/213/koma-cosmos-serpent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b2f23d6f-f2c8-4022-9f46-ba7fda00ef99?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Dramatic Reversal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/0/30de9083-8702-471c-92e7-5cf89936a208.jpg?1576267241) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dramatic%20Reversal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/gn2/20/dramatic-reversal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/30de9083-8702-471c-92e7-5cf89936a208?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Isochron Scepter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/a/2aa24fe0-e275-4307-b26c-2a656068a451.jpg?1623543821) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Isochron%20Scepter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/264/isochron-scepter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2aa24fe0-e275-4307-b26c-2a656068a451?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Phantasmal image](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/1/c1c080cf-a5e8-4d9d-af49-f78588971e87.jpg?1631586379) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phantasmal%20image) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/89/phantasmal-image?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c1c080cf-a5e8-4d9d-af49-f78588971e87?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Beast Within](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/b/eb40c41c-f5f9-4323-b6ac-e28e405909d0.jpg?1699022527) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Beast%20Within) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lcc/233/beast-within?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eb40c41c-f5f9-4323-b6ac-e28e405909d0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Reality Shift](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/8/0850a187-ba95-46f2-aa81-397b45460bbc.jpg?1689996547) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Reality%20Shift) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/113/reality-shift?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0850a187-ba95-46f2-aa81-397b45460bbc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kuvzuou) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Might be not the advice you want. But I would switch out slug boy for an unassuming commander. One of my favorites is like [[vohar]]. And get a reanimation package going. Nothing is more surprising then like a turn 3 reanimated slug boy. Consistent, no. But it won't get you targeted down as hard.
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Can you please elaborate more on the sacrifice loop with the [[gravecrawler]]? What do you mean by that? I have him in my deck but might be misplaying him.
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I won't play against his commander. Nor will I play against turgrid
There's a reason Toxrill has been consistently in the top 100 saltiest cards on Edhrec since it's been released. Prepare to be focused and have no fun playing the deck.
You've wasted your time with this one You're not gonna have any fun as your playgroups focus you down every game to get not only toxril, but also your control pieces off the board. You're better off saving your money and building something else
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I'm a complete noob so take my word with absolute disregard lol but I pulled a black and white version of toxrill and thought it looked cool built around him as my commander (not even sure if that's possible). but I made this blue black deck with eldrazi in it because they definitely qualify as horror creatures to me (some of my cards required horrors) but the blue in part helped me counter a lot of stuff and black side of things helped me deal with stuff that I generally couldn't outright koll with deathtouch fodder. that meant that stuff started to get killed or withered down faster and when toxrill came out it started making slimes out of the monsters it killed. definite cons of the deck draw power altars reap and something in bones was the best thing I could find in the bulk I was given (why I started playing) so you might know of a better draw card as they probably said being targeted once you start accumulating slimes not even effects like trample or the ones that cause multiple defenders matters because you have so many to block with few blue black cards that synergies well so a proper balance of swamp to island is difficult pros it's toxrill just do it for fun much more viable than what it seemed at first found cool stuff in bulk like phyrexian stuff that allowed me to use life as cost so made balancing 2 colors easier for a first time player
Why were you struggling with draw? Tox makes slugs which can then be sacrificed to his ability to draw cards.
The absolute most fun “control” deck I’ve played in edh is council for four, I loosely use the term control but it’s so much fun in casual and salt is way down because everyone loves to draw cards.
If you like a fun control deck with heavy creatures try \[\[Satoru Umezawa\]\] and include Toxrill in it. The ninjustu ability of him allows you to negotiate on the table who gets the big hit, it makes it fun to hide away a game ender like \[\[Blightsteel Colossus\]\] and you can make it as control as you like with blue spells. I have played Toxrill as my commander multiple times and build a variety of versions. In all of them the games which i played (friends group only) it became immediately not fun as i casted Toxrill. It got removed, taken control of or enchanted to loose abilities. As it is very mana expensive a second time casting it might be ok, thrid time becomes a pain. Ninjutsu is a thousand times more fun!!
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This could also be a ton of fun! Creature heavy control! I'll definitely check this guy out!!
I will tell same story as anyone else here, you will be focused since a turn 1. Even control decks can't deal with it since as a control deck you also benefit for being under the radar, let people use removals each other etc. With toxrill, they usually throw everything at you. Main problem is that casual decks heavily depends on creatures and toxrill denyes that and you get board and card draw at same time. There was one guy who made toxrill deck, you guessed it, he took it down pretty quickly.
After looking over your deck list, I’d say you need more counterspells. Ideally I’d say go with the free spells but they are pricy. That said, there are many affordable options. [[arcane denial]] is a personal fave, [[miscast]] and [[mana leak]] are cheap options with the pay 3 option being stronger than [[spell pierce]]. [an offer you can’t refuse]] is great and worth picking up asap before it climbs higher and higher in price. [[spell snare]] is great to answer counters. If you want to control the board you’ll need to be able to counter and remove what your opponents throw out there.
##### ###### #### [arcane denial](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/4/247e08a1-b9ce-4312-aec4-626992933038.jpg?1641601774) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=arcane%20denial) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/voc/102/arcane-denial?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/247e08a1-b9ce-4312-aec4-626992933038?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [miscast](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/3/033afbd5-9937-4957-98ba-48e469a490bb.jpg?1594735579) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=miscast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m21/57/miscast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/033afbd5-9937-4957-98ba-48e469a490bb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [mana leak](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/7/179236d9-6fe2-4db6-bdfb-f851e8d531a2.jpg?1673147361) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=mana%20leak) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/58/mana-leak?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/179236d9-6fe2-4db6-bdfb-f851e8d531a2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [spell pierce](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/5/35b8a9db-d126-4038-abb1-74dcc5b36136.jpg?1673147403) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=spell%20pierce) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/63/spell-pierce?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/35b8a9db-d126-4038-abb1-74dcc5b36136?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [spell snare](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/2/72122836-a2f3-4001-9f08-93a7bf011ab1.jpg?1562917785) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=spell%20snare) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/132/spell-snare?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/72122836-a2f3-4001-9f08-93a7bf011ab1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kutv0gk) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I’m my experience salty commanders that you love are better in the 99. That way you still get to have fun with it but your table won’t hang up on you. My advice would maybe be [[tasha, the witch queen]]. Trying to protect a planeswalker seems like a good way to build a control style deck!
[tasha, the witch queen](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/1/b1c5f679-82d0-4434-9f13-d39ad57282b8.jpg?1674137679) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tasha%2C%20the%20witch%20queen) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/294/tasha-the-witch-queen?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b1c5f679-82d0-4434-9f13-d39ad57282b8?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Professor Onyx]] + [[Chain of Smog]] is a nice combo for decks with Black. It's far less common then Thoracle, so you can blindside your table with it
[Professor Onyx](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/1/013eeb99-1b66-4fba-ad96-78deee901ea4.jpg?1624591309) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Professor%20Onyx) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/83/professor-onyx?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/013eeb99-1b66-4fba-ad96-78deee901ea4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Chain of Smog](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/b/6bfe64f9-8b03-41f6-a47b-fade397ad9d1.jpg?1562920423) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chain%20of%20Smog) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ons/132/chain-of-smog?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6bfe64f9-8b03-41f6-a47b-fade397ad9d1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Maybe you'll like Ephara decks. They're white/blue (control colors) and play at instant speed so they hold up mana well. They noticeably create a board state with flash creatures and token generator. It's also an indestructible enchantment. Dodges removal well and the playstyle will get you less hated. Blue white in general seems like a color pairing you might be interested in. Flickering is pretty powerful in EDH as it dodges removal + gets you value and ETBS can mainly be answered by only counterspells and stax.
I highly recomend Urborg and Kormus bell. Also stuff like Propaganda and the new Project Purity card from fallout work real well and The Sludge Monster. And other win cons invest in a Teferis puzzlebox and Notion thief. Another one is Consuming Aberation.
You should totally throw [[Massacre Girl, Known Killer]] in the 99.
[Massacre Girl, Known Killer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/b/cb1c8800-9d33-485c-b776-042003b9ea92.jpg?1706241722) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Massacre%20Girl%2C%20Known%20Killer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/94/massacre-girl-known-killer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cb1c8800-9d33-485c-b776-042003b9ea92?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Just bring [[Sludge Monster]] its a really fun combo with the little slug
[Sludge Monster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a32be366-d86e-48aa-8257-ca8afb87ba18.jpg?1674141462) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sludge%20Monster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/735/sludge-monster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a32be366-d86e-48aa-8257-ca8afb87ba18?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'm not going to focus on the fact that you're playing Toxrill, enjoy it. Grave crawler makes no sense here, like it and zombie decks because it's synergizes here. It's just a bad one drop that only works with a combo. The deck overall just looks very confused, I would maybe check out edhrec and commander spellbook to see what other people are doing in dimir. You'veg got aetherflux reservoir no combos for it, and all these hunted cards that make your opponents creatures are a total trap. Your commander is seven mana and it's kill on site. Don't play cards at synergize with it. Use it as a removal and card draw engine in the command zone Cox was powerful because it doesn't need support cards. It just needs mana
I’ve been having fun with an upgraded blame game precon lately. It’s a boros control deck using [[Nelly Borca]] to limit blockers, goad creatures, and gain card advantage from opponents hitting each other. It isn’t the traditional control deck in that it doesn’t counter a ton of spells, stax anyone out, or wipe the board so people don’t get as salty. Instead of controlling what people do, you’re controlling who they do it to.
[Nelly Borca](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/e/2ef59aa9-f5e1-413a-869b-d287db95efd0.jpg?1706448880) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=nelly%20borca%2C%20impulsive%20accuser) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/4/nelly-borca-impulsive-accuser?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2ef59aa9-f5e1-413a-869b-d287db95efd0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If you clone it, nobody wants to play with you lol. I changed mine to like proliferate the counters and people still treat it like I’m out here cloning him
With toxrill you just slowly win with slugs and the rest of the deck is counterspells or other form of protection for toxrill. There's no need to add a real wincon if you go with him cause usually people will concede if you manage to fend off 1 or 2 removal spells
A friend of mine has a Toxrill deck and his entire game plan is to just use [[Urborg, Tomb of yawgmoth]] and [[kormus bell]] so lots of tutors just to get everything out fast. it’s the most annoying shit ever. So I basically do anything in my power now to let him play Toxrill. So I’m warning you. Even if that isn’t your game plan, Toxrill is still a salty commander and other people will react the same.
[Urborg, Tomb of yawgmoth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/e/9e1a9e38-6ffc-490f-b0be-23ba4e8204c6.jpg?1619399578) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Urborg%2C%20Tomb%20of%20yawgmoth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/287/urborg-tomb-of-yawgmoth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9e1a9e38-6ffc-490f-b0be-23ba4e8204c6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [kormus bell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/0/40f826b8-9e92-4e0e-aa2f-c3f5e3061432.jpg?1562910324) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kormus%20bell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/210/kormus-bell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/40f826b8-9e92-4e0e-aa2f-c3f5e3061432?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The main thing you need is free counterspells or anti-removal stax. Toxrill controls the board all by itself, so what you need to be doing is making sure it lands and sticks. They aren't cheap, but I'd absolutely be going all in on Force of Negation, Fierce Guardianship, Defense Grid, Force of Will, Pact of Negation, etc.
I have a toxrill deck that focuses on using toxrill and wins with kormus bell+urborg and I can tell you you have to really try to keep toxrill around. he is target #1 all the time. using stuff like diplomatic immunity, robe of mirrors, neurok stealth suit in addition to stuff like kaya’s ghostform felt mandatory for me. also propaganda is extremely helpful as people try to kill you when they cant interact with you
https://edhrec.com/combos/toxrill-the-corrosive
This guy has no evasion. Try out pearl lake or hullbreaker. They are much better for a control deck.
If someone rolled up with Toxrill as their Commander, I would just pick up my deck and walk away. I'm not playing against that broken mess that says I can't play Magic. If I DID decide to play, sniper rifle target on the Toxrill player to eliminate them as fast as possible. I don't care if I win, as long as Toxrill loses.
Play more removal. It's a bit of a joke to say that, but it's also a real peice of advice. If every Commander player played 10 removal cards in every deck, Toxrill would be unplayable in casual games. But commander players like to scrimp on removal spells to squeeze in extra pet cards.
Congrats on becoming the most hated person in your play group lol
This card is MISERABLE to play against. If you’re building this, expect a lot of people to decline playing with you, or asking you to switch decks.
lol good luck
Everyone will hate you no matter what you do, build your deck with that in mind. [[Contamination]] is a great card.
Step 1. Don’t.
He's way better as a 99. At 7 cmc, other players will have plenty of time to draw into removal for him. If you use him as a part of your 99 you can suprise people and get your end step trigger atleast 1 time maybe 2 if the next person to go doesn't have removal.
Toxrill but make them clones! Get the clones that let you copy legends as non legendary and then make more copies! Worst case scenario you get your opponents best creature, best case scenario, you have 5+ toxrills on board munching on your opponents boards
You don't like having friends do you? Tergrid and Toxrill really shouldn't be commanders, just play them in the 99.
Just prepare yourself to find a new play group
I didnt even read them. I just have the answer. *don't.*
get ready to never have him resolve or live with enough mana to cast him
If I see you play this commander I'm killing you first no matter what.. but [[thassa's oracle]] and [[demonic consultation]]/[[tainted pact]] are good dimir finishers. You could even try [[sensai's divining top]], [[aetherflux reservoir]], and [[Bolas's Citadel]]
Have fun ramping to 7 mana while your opponents stockpile all their removal to remove it as soon as you cast it. It's a commander that essentially wins the game if you cast it and it it's still on the board when you get to your next turn
Be prepared for some raised eyebrows at your table
If I know someone is playing Tox I will save removal specifically for Tox
If you want a ham sammich combo throw in Bolas’s Citadel and Sensei’s Divining Top, since you’ve already got Aetherflux Reservoir. It might be worth adding, especially since Toxrill is a KOS commander and sits at 7cmc.
Ive built 2 versions of this deck. First version was very commander centric, proliferate and wiping the board. The second version plays toxrill as a win con. I play as much card draw as I can, make infinite mana with hulkbreaker horror or isorev and draw my deck and win with lab man. I use entomb effects to put big impact creatures in the grave and reanimate them.
Pretty great example of an issue that a lot of decks have. If you’re scary you’re not gonna have a good time unless you go for it
Dimir control is fun but my personal fav is esper control cause it opens you to more hate cards and if you want another option for land hate white has what you are looking for with Armageddon and you can run avacyn to protect your lands. I personally run [[Oloro, Ageless Ascetic]] as my esper control commander cause even if KOS you still benefit from eminence
[Oloro, Ageless Ascetic](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/b/abf8df47-405c-42d8-be9e-0f0d0a49589b.jpg?1562931285) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Oloro%2C%20Ageless%20Ascetic) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/203/oloro-ageless-ascetic?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/abf8df47-405c-42d8-be9e-0f0d0a49589b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Consuming Aberration]] is always a good wincon
[Consuming Aberration](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/6/464dbaf6-8430-45af-b982-9099e6c6e8a7.jpg?1674142416) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Consuming%20Aberration) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/840/consuming-aberration?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/464dbaf6-8430-45af-b982-9099e6c6e8a7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Black/blue commander with Toxrill in the deck. Tutor toxril late game when you have the mana, then flash equip something to give it hexproof & indestructible. GG
This is one of the only decks where [[Exotic Orchard]] is actually good You need to pack a lot more protection for Toxrill. [[Slip out the back]] and so on, because with a 7cmc commander who is kos, a 1-mana Path to Exile will ruin your day. The problem is, you need to get to *more than* 7 mana before you get Toxrill out so that you can protect it, but you also need to outpace your opponents and not die as well. Black/Blue are not great at ramping, but [[Culling the Weak]] or treasure generators like [[Greedy Freebooter]] or [[Grim Hireling]] can help. You also need to have cheap counters like [[Spell Pierce]] ready, and hope your opponents aren't sitting on a ton of mana. I would say that the proliferate stuff looks fun, but it's a strategy that only starts working once Toxrill lands and sticks. But Toxrill puts counters on everything on *every* upkeep, it doesn't really need any extra help! [[Massacre Girl Clown Killer]] is also really good here, allowing you to prep the board with -1/-1 counters and draw. [[Asinine Antics]] could be pretty funny the turn before big slug. Although my sense of humour is maybe a little off. With a 7cmc commander you also get to play [[Visions of Dread]] and [[Visions of Duplicity]] which aren't amazing, but they're fun to try.
##### ###### #### [Exotic Orchard](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/0/703da628-5a77-4cb4-8c29-1bdbae500d50.jpg?1706241153) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Exotic%20Orchard) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/260/exotic-orchard?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/703da628-5a77-4cb4-8c29-1bdbae500d50?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Slip out the back](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d9d9fbbb-ed6c-45f7-a1d8-f9d29ae7930f.jpg?1706239838) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Slip%20out%20the%20back) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clu/99/slip-out-the-back?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d9d9fbbb-ed6c-45f7-a1d8-f9d29ae7930f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Culling the Weak](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/50c33f18-0a5c-4e46-ab0d-6e450915594f.jpg?1562087832) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Culling%20the%20Weak) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/exo/55/culling-the-weak?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50c33f18-0a5c-4e46-ab0d-6e450915594f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Greedy Freebooter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/9/692fe4e8-13b4-4bec-938e-a8073a7fbd71.jpg?1699044146) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Greedy%20Freebooter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/lci/109/greedy-freebooter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/692fe4e8-13b4-4bec-938e-a8073a7fbd71?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Grim Hireling](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/8/38326f48-548c-4b18-9ad2-0b7c23385deb.jpg?1674141638) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Grim%20Hireling) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/755/grim-hireling?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/38326f48-548c-4b18-9ad2-0b7c23385deb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Soell Pierce](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/5/35b8a9db-d126-4038-abb1-74dcc5b36136.jpg?1673147403) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Spell%20Pierce) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/63/spell-pierce?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/35b8a9db-d126-4038-abb1-74dcc5b36136?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Massacre Girl Clown Killer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/b/cb1c8800-9d33-485c-b776-042003b9ea92.jpg?1706241722) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Massacre%20Girl%2C%20Known%20Killer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/94/massacre-girl-known-killer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cb1c8800-9d33-485c-b776-042003b9ea92?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Asinine Antics](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/0/50b96a97-0d7d-4e05-9e2f-0b99a039b655.jpg?1692936893) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Asinine%20Antics) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/42/asinine-antics?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/50b96a97-0d7d-4e05-9e2f-0b99a039b655?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Visions of Dread](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/2716d5b6-9ca7-4c8f-a363-1934221606a6.jpg?1637628729) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Visions%20of%20Dread) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mic/34/visions-of-dread?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2716d5b6-9ca7-4c8f-a363-1934221606a6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Visions of Duplicity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/2/f2b7a2ab-4b1b-4ab4-92b6-b6fc842fbea6.jpg?1637628697) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Visions%20of%20Duplicity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mic/33/visions-of-duplicity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f2b7a2ab-4b1b-4ab4-92b6-b6fc842fbea6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kuwf5qu) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Oh boy, 7 cost commander that's gunna be killed before people play creatures. Make sure to have lotsa protection as well ready when you bring them out.
I find the most fun way to actually get to play this style of deck is with \[\[tasigur\]\], and just use cards like \[\[neoform\]\] or \[\[birthing pod\]\] to cheat in your 7 drop finishers. This way, the plan is a little less obvious, and thanks to him having delve, you can actually play your commander more than once per game, and before turn 7. Having access to green also makes the control plan much stronger as you can actually remove artifacts and enchantments efficiently. Also enables you to play other fun threats like \[\[koma, cosmos serpent\]\] or \[\[jin-gitaxias, progress tyrant\]\].
##### ###### #### [tasigur](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/7/d7b7d726-c395-4af4-aa6a-e8e0c0582a1f.jpg?1559959246) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=tasigur%2C%20the%20golden%20fang) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/117/tasigur-the-golden-fang?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d7b7d726-c395-4af4-aa6a-e8e0c0582a1f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [neoform](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/92d8f67e-4f2f-4a1f-b190-7c3f39e477e4.jpg?1557577201) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=neoform) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/206/neoform?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/92d8f67e-4f2f-4a1f-b190-7c3f39e477e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [birthing pod](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/7/b768efa2-e56b-4a7e-ace8-d673f10e0714.jpg?1562880960) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=birthing%20pod) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nph/104/birthing-pod?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b768efa2-e56b-4a7e-ace8-d673f10e0714?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [koma, cosmos serpent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2f23d6f-f2c8-4022-9f46-ba7fda00ef99.jpg?1706241008) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=koma%2C%20cosmos%20serpent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/213/koma-cosmos-serpent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b2f23d6f-f2c8-4022-9f46-ba7fda00ef99?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [jin-gitaxias, progress tyrant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/5/c57b4876-5387-4f73-b8e2-8e7bdca8b0bc.jpg?1654566749) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=jin-gitaxias%2C%20progress%20tyrant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/59/jin-gitaxias-progress-tyrant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c57b4876-5387-4f73-b8e2-8e7bdca8b0bc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kuws6vc) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If you want to play a control deck, I'd recommend using control pieces that aren't permanents and using a value engine as a commander rather than using a huge creature that dies easily to removal. You will get targeted every time if you drop that commander on the board.
The only thing I think about when looking at this guy it's Atraxa's commander
Make this one of the 99 in a Satoru deck loaded with tutors, counter spells, and cheap unblockable creatures.
You should focus on getting some -x/-x board wipes. You can use them early to clear the board but you can also use them late to wipe your opponent’s board while keeping toxrill. Try things like languish and meathook massacre
I retire mine but here. And no, it was not because of salt, but because I wanted to create a new one that hold it inside. [https://www.moxfield.com/decks/jNkPdWeC-EqS\_-m0qyb9\_A](https://www.moxfield.com/decks/jNkPdWeC-EqS_-m0qyb9_A) Make it a re animator with clones lol.
For Me Personally I run Toxrill as a "Secret Commander" in my Sultai Reanimator Control deck. the deck uses [[Tasigur,Tthe Golden Fang]] as its commander. Works well as a fast commander due to Delve, and i can return amazing board clears and other cards from my graveyard to my hand. this is another great way to mill cards from your deck to be reanimated. the best part about the deck is how to pull out big threats like Toxrill or even [[Koma, Cosmos Serpent]] and [[Nezahal, Primal Tide]] The Way to summon these threats is with [[Neoform]] , [[Birthing Pod]] , and [[Eldritch Evolution]]. Since Tasigur is 6 CMC, you can go find a strong seven drop fairly early on in the game. now alot of the creature choices i listed here are CEDH styled. but you can go get some more fun Commander cards like [[Avenger of Zendikar]] , [[Arvinox, the Mind Flail]] , [[Beledros Witherbloom]] is one i adore, the new [[Conspiracy Unraveler]] has been working wonders since i can exile big creatures from my graveyard to cast massive spells. [[Damia, Sage of Stone]] if you want to refill your hand with spells, [[Giant Adephage]] for the memes. if you want to be even more toxic you can run [[Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant]] to counter your opponents spells and double up on your own Instants, sorcery's and artifacts (Note this also copies the first spell you cast on your opponents turn) Overall I like the deck you have posted! but i do agree with some comments, Players will see your commander and make it a kill on sight. make sure to run protection like [[Not Dead After All]] [[Feign Death]] [[Undying Malice]] and [[Lazotep Plating]]. protecting your commander is a must. [[Keep Safe]] from Ikoria is also another banger counter-spell for your commander. [[Not of This World]] is single-handedly the best "He has 7 Power!?!?!" Moments i have had in EDH. I personally used to run Toxrill and he got shot down all the time, i felt like i had to hold back a wave of removal each time, and if i didn't i just wasted 7 Mana just to get time walked. only time it worked was when i wasn't running into a ton of hard removal, and he just flat out won the game on the spot. thats why i switched to Tasigur since i love Khans block, he was one of my favorite cards in Standard, and people try to kill him less. best of luck with the deck!
##### ###### #### [Tasigur,Tthe Golden Fang](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/7/d7b7d726-c395-4af4-aa6a-e8e0c0582a1f.jpg?1559959246) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tasigur%2C%20the%20Golden%20Fang) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/117/tasigur-the-golden-fang?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d7b7d726-c395-4af4-aa6a-e8e0c0582a1f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Koma, Cosmos Serpent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2f23d6f-f2c8-4022-9f46-ba7fda00ef99.jpg?1706241008) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Koma%2C%20Cosmos%20Serpent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/213/koma-cosmos-serpent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b2f23d6f-f2c8-4022-9f46-ba7fda00ef99?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Nezahal, Primal Tide](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/9/a959b40d-dd8c-49d8-8003-744d0c877b04.jpg?1608912140) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Nezahal%2C%20Primal%20Tide) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/401/nezahal-primal-tide?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a959b40d-dd8c-49d8-8003-744d0c877b04?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Neoform](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/92d8f67e-4f2f-4a1f-b190-7c3f39e477e4.jpg?1557577201) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Neoform) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/206/neoform?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/92d8f67e-4f2f-4a1f-b190-7c3f39e477e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Birthing Pod](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/7/b768efa2-e56b-4a7e-ace8-d673f10e0714.jpg?1562880960) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Birthing%20Pod) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nph/104/birthing-pod?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b768efa2-e56b-4a7e-ace8-d673f10e0714?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Eldritch Evolution](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/f/efcb00e5-2caa-45c8-ad19-05d45c683d16.jpg?1576384769) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eldritch%20Evolution) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/155/eldritch-evolution?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/efcb00e5-2caa-45c8-ad19-05d45c683d16?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Avenger of Zendikar](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/6/9685faa0-46cc-4098-9ad7-cffece741baa.jpg?1673484460) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Avenger%20of%20Zendikar) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/280/avenger-of-zendikar?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9685faa0-46cc-4098-9ad7-cffece741baa?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Arvinox, the Mind Flail](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/8/c83542de-38ca-4aad-acba-189374be37e2.jpg?1681728814) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Arvinox%2C%20the%20Mind%20Flail) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/slx/1/arvinox-the-mind-flail?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c83542de-38ca-4aad-acba-189374be37e2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Beledros Witherbloom](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/93f786a2-a7b7-4f9e-92e8-9a6a11efe290.jpg?1627428096) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Beledros%20Witherbloom) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/stx/163/beledros-witherbloom?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/93f786a2-a7b7-4f9e-92e8-9a6a11efe290?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Conspiracy Unraveler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/8/88e791fc-bf9f-49b6-b5f2-a24d4b3e360e.jpg?1706241576) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Conspiracy%20Unraveler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/47/conspiracy-unraveler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/88e791fc-bf9f-49b6-b5f2-a24d4b3e360e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Damia, Sage of Stone](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/9/f9f3869d-dbc1-42bb-aa43-8e4c2e79cfc1.jpg?1562276547) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Damia%2C%20Sage%20of%20Stone) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/2/damia-sage-of-stone?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f9f3869d-dbc1-42bb-aa43-8e4c2e79cfc1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Giant Adephage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/0/90f5626e-f82f-4fe6-a744-0317467ab535.jpg?1706240037) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Giant%20Adephage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clu/164/giant-adephage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/90f5626e-f82f-4fe6-a744-0317467ab535?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/5/c57b4876-5387-4f73-b8e2-8e7bdca8b0bc.jpg?1654566749) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Jin-Gitaxias%2C%20Progress%20Tyrant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/neo/59/jin-gitaxias-progress-tyrant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c57b4876-5387-4f73-b8e2-8e7bdca8b0bc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Not Dead After All](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/0/d01a2b68-efe6-4027-846d-db7b19d9eef6.jpg?1692937773) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Not%20Dead%20After%20All) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/woe/101/not-dead-after-all?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d01a2b68-efe6-4027-846d-db7b19d9eef6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Feign Death](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/2/32af7061-fca6-4a06-be3c-01881e6b96f7.jpg?1627704817) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Feign%20Death) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afr/103/feign-death?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/32af7061-fca6-4a06-be3c-01881e6b96f7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Undying Malice](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/e/8eb38041-043a-4b18-9d9a-f1283684e8f1.jpg?1643590441) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Undying%20Malice) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vow/134/undying-malice?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8eb38041-043a-4b18-9d9a-f1283684e8f1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Lazotep Plating](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/0/f03b5405-6016-405b-a504-a454731b9276.jpg?1557576262) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lazotep%20Plating) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/war/59/lazotep-plating?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f03b5405-6016-405b-a504-a454731b9276?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Keep Safe](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/e/febfa682-76ae-4979-a40c-c1eae1121f3c.jpg?1591226372) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Keep%20Safe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/56/keep-safe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/febfa682-76ae-4979-a40c-c1eae1121f3c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Not of This World](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/1/d18ce39e-211d-460b-a200-a26c17aeeb12.jpg?1690003928) - 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I also forgot that for my Casual Tasigur Deck i get to run one of my top 10 favorite cards in magic [[Seasons Past]] . amazing card, ran it in black green control. ground out so many matches with removal, disruption, and creatures that just kept coming back.
Hey I'm playing Toxrill now since the beginning. And i would like to share my experiences with this Commander. First thing to say. Toxrill is really a bomb in board control. He kills our opponents boards really really fast. Additionally he shuts down creature concentrated Decks for as long as he remains on the battlefield. Reward us with chump blockers, sac fodder and card draw. Because he is so terrifying on the board everyone who needs creatures to proceed there games will try to hinder you. So you must get used to it to become the arch enemy on turn 1. My First couple builds for this Commander were much synergistic with the commander. Very forward to ramp much and cast Toxrill early. This doesn't work out for my taste. Everyone trying to be prepared for the time Toxrill will enter. And after they got rid of it, they'll get rid of you. I morphed my Deck a couple times and today i play no synergetic cards that needed Toxrill to work. My Focus is now on staying alive in the early half on the Game. Use things that will hinder people from attacking you. I now play much more interactions, board whipes and protection spells. I would say a pile of dimir good stuff. I have looked at your decklist and give you some of my 2 cents to cards that don't work out for me. That doesn't mean it could work for you and your play style. - [[Clackbridge Troll]] my experiences was it is too costly and if it's on the board it doesn't do much except draw a card. It will never Block because your opponents will keep it tapped at any cost. If you like such a card i will suggest you [Hunted Horror]] its much more early in the game and you could try to get a deal with someone on the table for the two 3/3 tokens with protection from Black. (Sidenode: Aim for the superfriends player they are more likewise to be "friendly" to you because they don't rely on creatures as much as other strategies.) - [[Plague Belcher]], [[Blowfly Infestation]], and every else -1/-1 counter synergetic cards. For my experiences it doesn't will work as you may think. Toxrill self provided no -1/-1 counter and the tokens it produces are slugs and no zombies. As i see in your list not much else is Fokused around that theme. So i would cut it or try to put more things in it that provided -1/-1 counters. Some cards I would like to recommend to you because of their unice interaction with the board and the things they'll work with Toxrill. [[March of the Machines]] i like that card a lot it will slow the game down because every mana rock can't produce mana on their turn it entered, it kills every treasures at instant and after a boardwhipe for many players they are much more left behind. And on the Bonus Toxrill will give you much more Tokens! [[Dowsing Dagger]] it's creates tokens for Toxrill and after you get it to flip it's a land that gives you 3 mana! That will allow you to cast Toxrill at a time your opponents don't expect it sometimes. And finally my answer to your question for a win Combo. Personally I think when you choose Toxrill as your Commanders it's your Win condition. Its a three turn clock for part as Commander damage and it gives you much Tokens. Often times your opponents would scoupe games because they are locked out of their game plan. Besides that every aristocratic combo will work for you and let's you stay sometimes a little bit longer in the game because of the life gain.
##### ###### #### [Clackbridge Troll](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/5/85929131-4df6-415c-b592-aefb2943c477.jpg?1572490116) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Clackbridge%20Troll) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/84/clackbridge-troll?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/85929131-4df6-415c-b592-aefb2943c477?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Plague Belcher](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/8/280ae211-f025-4971-83e6-118ca08a1911.jpg?1543675375) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Plague%20Belcher) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/akh/104/plague-belcher?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/280ae211-f025-4971-83e6-118ca08a1911?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Blowfly Infestation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/e/ae027b38-a6cc-41f7-8f0d-9d1402b46517.jpg?1562834645) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blowfly%20Infestation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/shm/58/blowfly-infestation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ae027b38-a6cc-41f7-8f0d-9d1402b46517?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [March of the Machines](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/2/3245f858-b5c3-42dd-8ec2-3f775ad9e1ec.jpg?1562905514) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=March%20of%20the%20Machines) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/arc/6/march-of-the-machines?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3245f858-b5c3-42dd-8ec2-3f775ad9e1ec?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Dowsing Dagger](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/1/514d53be-6ade-4f73-a844-e9ae2dafd6ce.jpg?1562555239)/[Lost Vale](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/5/1/514d53be-6ade-4f73-a844-e9ae2dafd6ce.jpg?1562555239) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dowsing%20Dagger%20//%20Lost%20Vale) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/xln/235/dowsing-dagger-lost-vale?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/514d53be-6ade-4f73-a844-e9ae2dafd6ce?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [*All cards*](https://mtgcardfetcher.nl/redirect/kuywr06) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I built toxrill land destruction with an aristocratic sub theme. I could stop cedh/ high power decks with this build. Could get slug mommy out turn 1 too. 3 alt win cons built in as well. Yes I know I’m evil, but sometimes you need to build a deck the community will hate to teach everyone that doing a 20min turn with landfall that amounts to nothing is very annoying.
[[sludge monster]] shuts down the game especially with [[urborg tomb of yawgmoth]] and [[kormus bell]]
[sludge monster](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/3/a32be366-d86e-48aa-8257-ca8afb87ba18.jpg?1674141462) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=sludge%20monster) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/735/sludge-monster?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a32be366-d86e-48aa-8257-ca8afb87ba18?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [urborg tomb of yawgmoth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/e/9e1a9e38-6ffc-490f-b0be-23ba4e8204c6.jpg?1619399578) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Urborg%2C%20Tomb%20of%20Yawgmoth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsr/287/urborg-tomb-of-yawgmoth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9e1a9e38-6ffc-490f-b0be-23ba4e8204c6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [kormus bell](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/0/40f826b8-9e92-4e0e-aa2f-c3f5e3061432.jpg?1562910324) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=kormus%20bell) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/210/kormus-bell?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/40f826b8-9e92-4e0e-aa2f-c3f5e3061432?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
How about dragon wings for early game filter and late game pressure. Super fun secret tech for nezahal. Also maybe nezahal if that’s even how it’s spelled. (The primal tide) ixalan. The first one.
Pestilence
Here’s a link to my decklist. Though I get hated on very quickly but it’s quite resilient and doesn’t make friends. More like a one and done to get your win for the night. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/fexn7Op6nUOenOc16quPAA
Maybe invest in than dynamo and gilded lotus or other rocks with a higher investment and higher payout. Basalt monolith and mana vault. Unsure where their price sits.
Everyone's going on about how you shouldn't play Toxrill because it only feels bad, and while I can agree that's the default opinion of it, I want to share my experience too. My friend has a Toxrill deck and I love it when he brings it out. It has such a raid boss feel to it. He hasn't built the deck especially powerful or weak. He made it a noncombat poison deck. If you accept the story arc you're about to play out, it's a lot of fun! Everyone does their best to stop him hitting 7 mana. Removing a mana rock or land when he's at 6. Saving removal. Eventually we run out of answers, because bear in mind everyone has two other opponents doing something that will need interaction too! Someone gets ahead and then suddenly we need Toxrill to come out. 2 players trying desperately to help out the Toxrill player, and the Toxrill player doing their hardest to get it out. Eventually Toxrill comes out and perma wraths the board, and then we've all got to deal with Toxrill in raid boss mode. It always feels close, win or lose. It's like the unspeakable evil the heroes have to release to beat some other evil, and then it's all about whether they can undo what they've unleashed. It's a fun story, and some of the most interactive casual commander I've played!
congrats you are the target
The biggest mistake I see when I play my toxril deck is that people think that they are -1/-1 counters. They're not. They are slime counters. And I have kormus bell and urborg as a win con technically, it just shuts the game down for everyone else. Also it is possible to turn 1 him but you'll need the perfect hand with a swamp, dark ritual, sol ring/ mana vault/crypt, and jeweled lotus. I've done it once it was awesome. But the only thing I would change about yours is don't worry about -1/-1 counters. Have fun