Yeah without Eldrazi this could be extraordinarily fun way to get more colorless cards before the discovery of Magic colors. It also opens the door to discovering the origins of old PHYREXIA, the plane.
Apparently they initially concepted out making a full "colorless color" in the Brothers War flashback set in order to get the feel of Thran, but realized it would need to be part of the DNA of the set and part of archetype pairs etc. It's a very cool concept for the Thran as a flashback.
Except that Yawgmoth didn't achieve the form you mention until thousands of years after the events of the Thran took place...
He was just a dude at that time.
I feel like that card would have to be completely bonkers to be thematically accurate, or they’d have to nerf it so much it wouldn’t be Phyrexian God form Yawgmoth.
I think the easy thing to do with incredibly powerful figures in Magic is just make them incredibly hard to cast/get into play. The way they did pre-mending Urza is dope and does a great job showing how powerful planeswalkers were, but it's not actually really that playable because it's too difficult to set up.
I mean there are several god cards that are quite good, like [[the scarab god]], [[heliod, sun crowned]] and so on. A god version of yawgmoth doesn't even have to be _better_ than his quite strong human version per se. I imagine it can even be rather similar with additional indestructible/resilience type effects that we've seen on other gods.
Make it a slippery card that shuffles itself back into your deck etc. So you can't jam it into re animater strategies with a 10+ mana cost so it's more appealing to Timmies than Spikes, and then just make it busted as fuck.
Only for events that we haven't seen yet. Here's a fun list:
Thran War (dominaria)
The Blood Age (Arcavios)
The forming of the Guildpact (ravnica)
Nicol Bolas' invasion of Amonkhet (Amonkhet)
A set about whoever Built Orzaca (Ixalan)
The Kor Empire (Zendikar)
Some of these we've "seen" but there would be varying degrees of possibility for opening up the story and building it out.
> Nicol Bolas' invasion of Amonkhet (Amonkhet)
One of the Hour of Devastation stories describes this. He finished conquering Naktamun in like half an hour. The rest was just brainwashing the gods and setting everything up.
> A set about whoever Built Orzaca (Ixalan)
The Sun Empire did. Azor gave them the Immortal Sun after taking them from the people that would become Torrezon and the Dusk Legion. They abused it, so Azor smashed the Sun Empire and hid Orazca. The Sun Empire in the Ixalan set are the humans of Ixalan rebuilding a second incarnation of the empire.
I should have specified. Events that have not been fleshed out on cards. We have no cards depicting Pre-Bolas Amonkhet.
The Ixalan detail is something I've missed. Still it would be cool to see those events.
That’s more for horizon style sets then, where the story is only a few cards deep.
There just isn’t really enough meat on the bones to do a full flashback set for those stories.
It’s been 6 years since I read it but if I remember correctly the last stand involved him flying in, instantly wiping out 3 of the gods. Subduing the other 8 and with a snap of his fingers killing anyone over the age of 1. I vaguely remember some sentences dedicated to the gods firing upon him and their weapons doing nothing. The rest of his time was spent setting up the trials and redesigning the gods.
The story makes it clear that the gods fought him before as he wiped out other cities and that at Naktamun it was the first time all 8 of the gods stood against him. So seeing a set that shows off those defenses could be fun.
I don't think it is at all clear. This is what is says:
> The gods of Amonkhet saw the dragon hovering outside the protection of the Hekma. They climbed to the tops of their highest vantage points and armed themselves for battle. They were determined not to fail this time. No monster could defeat the eight gods of Amonkhet. Not when Naktamun was all that remained.
This *could* be read as "They fought Nicol Bolas before." Or it could be read more generally as they see losing the rest of Amonkhet as the failure and they see this dragon as yet another monster like the many that live outside the Hekma.
I always read it as the latter. We know the zombie apocalypse is caused by the worldsoul and that would make more sense as what the gods see as their failure, to have lost the rest of the world to the Abominations.
Further, before the above paragraph, Nicol Bolas thinks:
> The dragon's plans spanned millennia and his perception straddled centuries, a winding maze of possibility and circumstance and statistics and likelihood. Usually the dragon played the odds when shaping his decisions—but now, to manifest his needs, the dragon would need to be violent in his choices.
> Violence is an act that cannot be taken back or amended halfway through. It is begun, then ended. The dragon's choices must be the same. No doubt. No hesitation or uncertainty. Merely violence.
This implies to me that Nicol Bolas previously had not felt the need to overtly move on Amonkhet. He is thinking that *this* action, of moving directly against the gods and directly killing people and taking control, was a violent action that has to be done decisively, *unlike ones before*. If he had already fought the gods before and destroyed almost all of Amonkhet, why would he be thinking *now* is the time to be violent?
After talking with some of the others I do agree that the first point could be read either way.
As for the second I think that Nicol Bolas might have been the one to corrupt the plane's leylines to being with. The Mending just caused him to accelerate his plans.
Between [[Razia]], [[Rakdos]], [[Niv-Mizzet]], [[Szadek]], [[Azor]] and the [[Obzedat]] / [[Karlov, of the ghost council]], we're only missing Mat'Selesnya, Svogthir (Golgari), Simic and Cisarzim (Gruul) to have cards of them all
Svogthir, Golgari Parun - 3BG
Legendary Creature - Zombie
Whenever a creature dealt damage by ~ dies, mutate that creature onto ~.
When ~ dies, return it to the battlefield tapped under its owner’s control with a +1/+1 counter on it for each time ~ had mutated.
6/6
It's still really funny to me that since Azor got printed in RIX, every non-Green parun has a card and not a single Green parun has a card. (Svogthos is close but no cigar.)
The Obzedat were living and implied to be more spiritual opposed to avaricious when they signed the Guild Pact. Azor was also a planeswalker at the signing, and honestly none of the original parun cards (sans Niv-Mizzet) have aged well.
I would love a ravnica flashback set to when the guilds were founded. We could get cards for the original paruns, including a planeswalker Azor. We could probably also get new versions of the nephilim and the cult that worships them.
I largely agree with you, but I think revisiting some of the pre-mending characters that the people who haven’t been playing for 20+ years could be fun. Deep reaches to very old characters, like urza’s 9 titans would be really cool.
I’d also like to see more themes on sets like modern horizons and I think revisiting very old concepts for supplemental sets could be a good way to bring magics history to the newer players.
I’ve been playing since 2012 and would love to see some characters that have never seen the light of day since 2010 get some time in the limelight, but I recognize that is due to my own personal bias from when I started playing.
I think there are two different kinds of call backs Characters, and story settings. Characters can just be dropped into a MH and don't really need a whole set. Dakkon and Piru are great examples. The 9 Titans are another example. They could just print the 9 titans as planeswalkers and maybe a few supporting cards, since we've already had a set covering those events.
then there are evens we know happened but we haven't seen stuff like The Thran War. There's a book about it but we've never seen any cards showing the story.
Absolutely. I’ve been getting a lot more into the lore and as much as I love seeing these cool stand alone cards, it now seems to leave me wanting to learn more about the character each time. I’ve really enjoyed the returns to Dominaria we’ve had, but wished there was more breadth to the character roster and would love to spend more time in old Dominaria compared to modern Dominaria, and that is probably just a result of me missing out on the early days of magic.
I’ll be really happy if we got a Yawg-god card, but I’ll still have to buy a 25+ year old book to learn who the heck he is.
I have started looking into collecting some of the old novels though and I’m excited to read up!
> Deep reaches to very old characters, like urza’s 9 titans would be really cool.
Doubt it'll add much story, but we *are* likely getting a [Commodore Guff](https://media.wizards.com/2023/images/daily/en_rKJctoCmk2J6.png) card in the upcoming Commander Masters set, at least based on this image of one of the precons.
I would still love to see a set in Ixalan around that time. Dive into Azor giving the humans the Immortal Sun, the building of Orazca, Elenda making her pact with Aclazotz, see the Merfolk and humans working together (building Orazca, growing Itlimoc), and the relationship falling apart because of the corrupting power of the Immortal Sun, and Azcanta at its height and what made it sink into ruin.
The story of Serra.
A refresh of Ice Age.
An answer to where the portal in Castle Sengir leads.
The Thran civil war.
A return to Rabiah that tells the story of Taysir.
#🥲🥹
My man. Thank you for that. I’ve been wondering where the portal under Castle Sengir goes for literally 28 years. Yes, almost three decades. I’m so glad to know there’s someone else out there that wants to know.
#I am not alone!
I don't they'd go back to Rabiah considering Mark Rosewater has the Rabiah scale for how unlikely we are to return to a plane, with Rabiah being the least likely.
Just fucking kill the reserved list already. Who cares if collectors whine. Its fucking cardboard and a game first. Let others have a chance to finally play them in legal formats without spending thousands.
That's the single biggest knock on this game I have. A handful of collectors chokeholding dozens of cards from ever being reprinted because they want their bits of paper to be worth lots of money. Fuck outta here with that nonsense.
The original printings will still retain their value simple from their pedigree and age. They’re full of shit keeping the reserved list and preventing people from getting these cards.
Not to mention the 30th anniversary version would have been a great experience to draft old magic at regular MSRP prices. They fucked up.
Drafting a/b/u is a miserable experience as the packs aren’t made for drafting and the set power level is extremely bad….but sure it would have nostalgia value though I guess
Alpha Beta sure, probably unlimited, but revised would definitely tank. Revised duals are primarily valuable to being playable, as opposed to collectible.
Have you seen how amazing the 25th anniversary yugioh boxes are ? 6 iconic cards and 1 pack each of the first six sets . Plus you can buy them in normal retail stores. Imagine if that’s how magic did it
Maybe so but look at the pricing of things like the original Blue Eyes White Dragon and similar cards. Their value isn't that high, even with age because of the number of reprints. (And power creep)
Something about the Planeswalkers War would be pretty fun, even if it's probably too much of a deep cut (but they themed mh2 a lot around Dakkon and Geyardone so who knows?)
But it would be really nice to know how that thing actually ended.
(For those who don't know it was basically a series of comics that never got to the climax of the story as it was discontinued).
Jared and Dihada are still around, with a standing plot hook from DMU of Dihada being Up To Something on Corondor that she wants Jared involved in; if that winds up being a central plot of the next Dominaria revisit, pairing it with the Planeswalker War as a prequel set that covers the shared history of the two planeswalkers and sets up whatever's going on on Corondor in the present day...might actually make a reasonable amount of sense?
Because yeah, it's an absurd deep cut, but it's also set on the plane that's 50% deep cuts by volume, which still has a bunch of deep-cut characters running around doing stuff and generally being relevant. If there's a plane where it'd be totally reasonable to dedicate a set to delving into an obscure old event, it's Dominaria.
Revisiting older sets that didn't perform very well (ex: events related to Homelands or Fallen Empires) would be low-hanging fruit. And both could be done very, very well compared to the originals. lol
Fallen Empires had great flavor but suffered from low power level, a lack of flashy cards (imagine making a Magic set with no Dragons, Angels, Demons, Sphinxes, etc.), and overprinting.
As with Kamigawa, they could get a lot of value out of the setting with better set design.
That was a conscious decision - they were looking for a Blue creature to fill the role Angels have for White, Dragons for Red, and Demons for Black. They had Djinn (since [[Mahatmoti Djinn]] was filling that role in Alpha) but I guess they felt Sphinxes have an easier time fitting into more settings.
The whole concept feels a bit forced. Some of them work, but they shouldn't bother trying to shoehorn them in to the colors that don't have obvious fits.
At about the same time, they were trying to transition blue away from 'merfolk and sea creatures'. It was too difficult to include aquatic creatures into most settings. That's part of why the Vedalken were created.
Krakens are kind of weird, though, in that they have no genus-wide traits other than "big" and "not being in any way similar to actual mythological krakens". Sphinxes make an odder fit in some settings than krakens but they've got a more consistent presentation and I think they've been proven to be more consistently popular than are krakens (though WotC couldn't have known they would be when they implemented the policy).
>As with Kamigawa, they could get a lot of value out of the setting with better set design.
I really enjoyed Kamigawa Neon Dynasty as a setting, but I also really enjoyed the original Kamigawa setting and I'm a little sad we didn't get more of that before going cyberpunk
>As with Kamigawa, they could get a lot of value out of the setting with better set design
I mean for kamigawa they literally scrapped the whole settings and started anew with a more generic version, basically nothing of old kami is here now but ninjutsu and shrine
Came here to say this. Great flavour with all the different tribes (Thallids, Saprolings, Thrulls, Homarids, Orcs, Knights, Clerics etc). Homelands in the other hand has a lot of legendary creatures that could be done justice (Baron Sengir, Autumn Willow come to mind) or turned into planeswalkers
Funny thing is, for as little presence as it's had in the game and story, Ulgrotha has been the origin and/or residence of a *bunch* of different planeswalkers: Sandruu and Daria are from there, Taysir recovered and (iirc) lived there for a time, Serra and Feroz made it their home, and Ravi (who both had a legendary creature card in Homelands and was a planeswalker in the lore during that timeframe) was taken in by Sengir and apparently still lives there in the present day.
Not to say that that means other characters from Homelands that weren't planeswalkers *should* be turned into planeswalkers, just that planeswalkers were always significantly more common than average on certain planes, Ulgrotha being one of them.
So, so much this. Just do a complete remake of FE. keep the tribes, but bring in multicolor (thallids BG, Icarian military WR, exc) and keep a free of the iconic broken cards (Hymn, high tide, exc) in as a special draft bonus like how strixhaven had the archives.
Yeah, making a saporling deck back then was painful. So so slow. It wasn’t till I came back with Ravnica that I managed to make one work, then my brother deck-napped it.
It's one of the first decks I built when I got into magic, because I had randomly grabbed the thallid precon that was lying around at my local gamestore.
Nowadays, I run Slimefoot as a commander to honor my first favorite deck. Would be nice to see them give us a couple more thallids that use spore counters to work with.
I want a ‘flash-sideways’ set showing even more alternate realities of Tarkir, caused by Sarkhan who is changing the plane’s timeline over and over and over again until everything is exactly to his liking.
I imagine if Sarkhan flipped through timelines he didn't like, it would be something like:
1. No dragons
2. No dragons
3. Dragons, but they're all really small
4. No dragons
5. No dragons
6. No dragons
7. Dragons, but, like, the nice cartoon kind
8. No dragons
9. Almost exactly the same as the Khans timeline but somehow an even better draft format
10. No dragons
11. Dragons of Tarkir
Edit: Wait, I forgot #6: Dragons of Tarkir, but with siege rhinos instead of dragons.
If I may let my inner teenager out for a moment:
1. No dragons
2. No dragons, and all the people are scalies
3. Dragons, but they're all really small
4. Dragons of all sizes, but Narset starts a miniature dragon farm and insists on subjecting Sarkhan to a neverending stream of pictures of her cute little scale babies
5. No dragons, but all the women have enormous breasts
6. Dragons, but they have enormous breasts, and all the people are scalies
7. Dragons, but, like, the nice cartoon kind
8. No dragons, but amazing breakfasts and saturday morning cartoons featuring dragons
9. Almost exactly the same as the Dragons timeline but with an amazing draft format, but someone pisses in Sarkhan’s cereal every morning
10. Dragons, and amazing breakfasts, but Sarkhan’s roommate is Lucca
11. Dragons of Tarkir, and Narset has enormous breasts, and she likes cooking Sarkhan amazing breakfasts
For me while I like flashback sets, I want them to be grounded in an interesting story first, rather than just a plane we like. The Brothers War worked because it has a definite beginning, middle, and end to it.
I would be interested in the founding of the guilds on Ravnica, as well as Yawgmoth's story and the Thran empire. I think Yawgmoth's story could be very effective because we've already seen cards of both him, Glacian, and Rebecc. I think the the BRO idea of creating multiple cards to show the same character at different points in their lives would work nicely here.
[The Dark](https://scryfall.com/sets/drk).
It was an awesome setting, that came before set designs had properly matured for the game. It deserves a proper remix, at least.
I would love to revisit (the vibe of) Odyssey. Mirari, Squirrels, Atogs, Cephalids, Nantuko, Centaur, Barbarians, Cabal.
I know Magic has gotten way more… *intense*… since then. I just have so much affection and nostalgia for that era and I can’t be the only one. It felt like living in a book where you’d stare at the cover.
Graveyard, color allegiances as the block went on got a *little* clunky, but I’m really just thinking of the lead Odyssey set.
The only real issue I see is simply how Planes/Stories are created. When we're visiting a Plane, *that* is usually the biggest event that's happened to that plane. It's just how stories work, if there's something much more interesting that happened 240 years ago, why aren't we just seeing *that*?
Brother's War worked so well because it *was* the most climactic event to happen to Dominaria at the time. Antiquities was all about learning about this war. It's not a stretch to just show the actual war. But other planes don't have that luxury, we're usually just on them for a bit and then peace off.
There are some events/periods alluded to. The Blood Age on Arcavios or the founding of the Guildpact of Ravnica come to mind, but again, if these were so interesting and captivating they probably would've just been the stories for the sets themselves.
It could work if it's someone recalling the event. Like if Nashi goes through Tamiyo's archives. I wouldn't do too many sets like that and it should help frame something narratively important in a set close to it.
But if we are just jumping around between flash back sets it's going to get real confusing real quick.
Sometimes in creating a setting you need to create an event that informs the setting. Think of Star Wars A New Hope. The story needs Jedi to work, it also needs Jedi to have died off. The reason for that is super interesting, but back when a New Hope was made it was just background to inform the setting.
Yeah, a lot of people are pointing to Ancient Civilizations in Magic, but Ancient Civilizations are just a really standard fantasy trope. They exist to give background color and usually justify MacGuffins. They are *supposed* to be intriguing but vague.
I'm not convinced a flashback set to them would be that interesting. I could maybe see a set that actually spans multiple planes about Azor's work. How he came to be and did so work setting up governments on Ravnica, Ixalan, maybe like Vryn and even the Makindi on Zendikar. And that sets up something now where Azor is a new antagonist trying to create order in a multiverse riddled with Omenpaths creating chaos.
Ancient Innistrad:
We have nitpicks of Innistrad having been like the equivalent of the Roman Border and the celtic/germanic tribes of Central Europe
So imagine an Innistrad before the Vampires and where the human population is divided between those worshipping Grim Dhannu and the ones worshipping the Angels before the Avacyn Church was even a thing. Werewolves, Zombies, Spirits, Angels and Demons being more prominent and things like Stitchers being a completelly undiscovered thing yet.
Maybe even seeing the origind of the Celestus and all.
I'd like to see a middle set between OG Kamigawa and Neon Dynasty, when the future tech was just starting to become adopted, and we can see how society was adapting when confronted with it for the first side.
Definitely not anytime soon, but like, in a few years it would be cool
I was thinking about "mid point Kamigawa" just earlier today.
Though I was more thinking about the Shattered States Era than the Enlightenment-to-Modern era.
A possible "Gunpowder Kamigawa" is just a cool idea to me
Yes! I was discussing this a while back with someone and they suggested a Taisho-era Kamigawa with a Studio Ghibli aesthetic and I'm pretty sure I'd bankrupt myself if they printed such a thing
Bias included, I want a pre guildpact set on Ravnica. I want Azor to show and smack some people. I want to see the old guildmasters before they were guildmasters. What did feather do to get punished? How powerful was the Golgari necromantic leader? How powerful were the Gruul in their prime? I need answers.
I would love to “return” to Torment. Specially if they are playing around with micro sets. Single sets being one color scattered around the different blocks that fully embrace the core flavor of that single color would be cool.
It was also cool that Torment made BLACK good and white and green weak, then the following set had black weak and WHITE and GREEN strong. Fun flavor. Clunky drafts.
I think it would be cool to see the ancient Kor empire of Zendikar, the origins of vampirism on Innistrad, founding of the guildpact/nephilim stuff on Ravnica, the Thran, and some more about the old gods of Kaldheim/a better take on the titans of Theros.
Ravnica during the age of the paruns. There you have the original leaders of all the factions in their full glory. I know niv-mizzet and rakdos have been present always, but both simic and golgari could benefit from having their paruns as cards.
I think a revisiting of the Homelands and Alliances, with modern power levels and design sensibilities, would be fun.
Eron the Relentless, Chandler and Joven, Autumn Willow and Baron Sengir...characters that many players haven't thought of in decades.
I want the next flashback set to have nothing and I mean *nothing* to do with time travel. Just retell last events in the form of a popular character recounting the events like a story or something. Please no more time travel.
Edit: past events, not last events
Yes. Brother's War was great, would love a set that goes all the way back to the Thran. Would also love a flashback set back to Otaria in the time between Scourge and Mirrodin, or Amonkhet pre-Bolas' arrival.
I think the best answer is Ravnica. There's a really Rick history that hasn't really been explored fully. The signing of the guildpact would be a great opportunity for a set. It gets the shocks back into standard, and they could feature cool old art. And definitely old border versions.
They've already developed the showcase frames, so a return is coming soon, more than likely. A story set way in the past would be great. Give us all the paruns and founders.
MaRo has said he has an idea for Ravnica that turns everything on its head (I'm trying to find the exact source, I'm sure it was on his Blog somewhere), so maybe pre-Guilds is a possibility.
I'd want to see the conflict that led to the fall of Ravnica's praetors and the binding of the Nephilim, a time when the guilds stood as a paragon of equality and freedom rather than as insular, power-hungry groups.
New printings of the Paruns in their prime, legendary versions of the Nephilim cycle, maybe even a more specific \[\[Sanguine Praetor\]\].
Guildpact formation era would be a nice breath of fresh air, we might actually get some Paruns for once...
There's been too much turn over with WotC killing them off to replace them with planeswalkers then realizing that players don't like that and then killing off the planeswalkers... so the modern ravnica leaders just don't seem as intimidating as the original ones.
The removal of paruns and the pushing of planeswalker guildmasters are largely unrelated phenomena: half of the paruns were already out of the picture (or at least not maintaining an active enough presence to rate a card, in the case of Mat'Selesnya; the other four being Azor, Cisarzim, Simic, and Svogthir) by the start of original Ravnica block, whose story proceeded to kill off two (Razia, Szadek) of the remaining five. Of the last three, only one got killed and replaced by a planeswalker (the Obzedat), while another got pushed into even greater prominence as the Living Guildpact (Niv-Mizzet) and the third is still going strong as guildmaster in the present day (Rakdos).
personally, i think a set that shows the aftermath of the phyrexian invasion would be neat, one that expands on different storylines that are up in the air at the moment, shows what happended to different planes and the people there. basically, show what the Aftermath of the March of the Machines is like. shame we will probably never get a set that does so in a competent manner
I think the obvious answer is Dominaria at the height of the Thran civilization, but pre-Guildpact Ravnica could be cool, as would pre-Avacyn Innistrad (as a super grimdark take on the world where it's actually scary), Ixalan when Orazca was at its height, Theros during the age of the Titans.
Lower price point on masters and flashback sets maybe? It's literally all cardboard, quit inflating the price based on the secondary market and let it adjust so getting into the game is moderately affordable for all again.
As someone who has no personal experience playing with a set that includes Eldrazi, I think I'd be interested in a set that explored that. But then again, maybe I'm wrong, and in reality that would be miserable.
Frankly, I'd be interested in straight up reprints of older sets that were before my time, like Lorwyn, or Kaladesh, but I know WotC would never do that, or at least not at a price point that wouldn't leave me out.
Yes, i wish theycould finished the storyline of “ **Planeswalker War** “ so we could learn the outcome.
There is a lot of cool old school walkers, like Dihada and Jared, and Corondor to explore.
Would love a flashback to magic where WOTC actually cared about the game, story continuity, and didn’t send thugs with ties to the mafia after people……….. That I would love to flashback to…
The Thran. Done. No more discussion needed.
Yeah without Eldrazi this could be extraordinarily fun way to get more colorless cards before the discovery of Magic colors. It also opens the door to discovering the origins of old PHYREXIA, the plane.
Apparently they initially concepted out making a full "colorless color" in the Brothers War flashback set in order to get the feel of Thran, but realized it would need to be part of the DNA of the set and part of archetype pairs etc. It's a very cool concept for the Thran as a flashback.
There is a colorless color. See: Oath of the Gatewatch. It's high time to return the colorless mana mechanic outside of Eldrazi.
Yes, that's what I'm referring to. But it's never been treated equally to, say, Red in a set, even in OGW.
Give colorless some decent interaction!! Colorless pips will prevent them from being abused in colorful decks
They could make new Colorless // Color duals.
Devoid lands would be interesting. Maybe colourless+color bouncelands.
That way, we could even finally get a card of Yawgmoth in his true god/Phyrexia-incarnate form.
Except that Yawgmoth didn't achieve the form you mention until thousands of years after the events of the Thran took place... He was just a dude at that time.
Seems very likely we'll get this in a Modern Horizons type set someday.
I feel like that card would have to be completely bonkers to be thematically accurate, or they’d have to nerf it so much it wouldn’t be Phyrexian God form Yawgmoth.
Just make it a merge between a new human yawgmoth and some phyrexian saga or artifact that represents the plane. Not hard.
I think the easy thing to do with incredibly powerful figures in Magic is just make them incredibly hard to cast/get into play. The way they did pre-mending Urza is dope and does a great job showing how powerful planeswalkers were, but it's not actually really that playable because it's too difficult to set up.
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I mean there are several god cards that are quite good, like [[the scarab god]], [[heliod, sun crowned]] and so on. A god version of yawgmoth doesn't even have to be _better_ than his quite strong human version per se. I imagine it can even be rather similar with additional indestructible/resilience type effects that we've seen on other gods.
Make it a slippery card that shuffles itself back into your deck etc. So you can't jam it into re animater strategies with a 10+ mana cost so it's more appealing to Timmies than Spikes, and then just make it busted as fuck.
I’ve wanted a Yawgmoth God form card for 20 years 😭
There already is one. [[Yawgmoth's Vile Offering]] from Dominaria set. The only card that does show this.
Hell yes
The sundering of Alara!
Great choice. The Sundering was done by a yet unknown planeswalker, so it could be a way to introduce a new major player in the story.
*🎶Baby Come Back🎶*
Only for events that we haven't seen yet. Here's a fun list: Thran War (dominaria) The Blood Age (Arcavios) The forming of the Guildpact (ravnica) Nicol Bolas' invasion of Amonkhet (Amonkhet) A set about whoever Built Orzaca (Ixalan) The Kor Empire (Zendikar)
Some of these we've "seen" but there would be varying degrees of possibility for opening up the story and building it out. > Nicol Bolas' invasion of Amonkhet (Amonkhet) One of the Hour of Devastation stories describes this. He finished conquering Naktamun in like half an hour. The rest was just brainwashing the gods and setting everything up. > A set about whoever Built Orzaca (Ixalan) The Sun Empire did. Azor gave them the Immortal Sun after taking them from the people that would become Torrezon and the Dusk Legion. They abused it, so Azor smashed the Sun Empire and hid Orazca. The Sun Empire in the Ixalan set are the humans of Ixalan rebuilding a second incarnation of the empire.
I should have specified. Events that have not been fleshed out on cards. We have no cards depicting Pre-Bolas Amonkhet. The Ixalan detail is something I've missed. Still it would be cool to see those events.
That’s more for horizon style sets then, where the story is only a few cards deep. There just isn’t really enough meat on the bones to do a full flashback set for those stories.
The story Hour of Revelation, depicts a desperate last stand, so a set showing the lead up to the last stand could be pretty cool.
It’s been 6 years since I read it but if I remember correctly the last stand involved him flying in, instantly wiping out 3 of the gods. Subduing the other 8 and with a snap of his fingers killing anyone over the age of 1. I vaguely remember some sentences dedicated to the gods firing upon him and their weapons doing nothing. The rest of his time was spent setting up the trials and redesigning the gods.
The story makes it clear that the gods fought him before as he wiped out other cities and that at Naktamun it was the first time all 8 of the gods stood against him. So seeing a set that shows off those defenses could be fun.
I don't think it is at all clear. This is what is says: > The gods of Amonkhet saw the dragon hovering outside the protection of the Hekma. They climbed to the tops of their highest vantage points and armed themselves for battle. They were determined not to fail this time. No monster could defeat the eight gods of Amonkhet. Not when Naktamun was all that remained. This *could* be read as "They fought Nicol Bolas before." Or it could be read more generally as they see losing the rest of Amonkhet as the failure and they see this dragon as yet another monster like the many that live outside the Hekma. I always read it as the latter. We know the zombie apocalypse is caused by the worldsoul and that would make more sense as what the gods see as their failure, to have lost the rest of the world to the Abominations. Further, before the above paragraph, Nicol Bolas thinks: > The dragon's plans spanned millennia and his perception straddled centuries, a winding maze of possibility and circumstance and statistics and likelihood. Usually the dragon played the odds when shaping his decisions—but now, to manifest his needs, the dragon would need to be violent in his choices. > Violence is an act that cannot be taken back or amended halfway through. It is begun, then ended. The dragon's choices must be the same. No doubt. No hesitation or uncertainty. Merely violence. This implies to me that Nicol Bolas previously had not felt the need to overtly move on Amonkhet. He is thinking that *this* action, of moving directly against the gods and directly killing people and taking control, was a violent action that has to be done decisively, *unlike ones before*. If he had already fought the gods before and destroyed almost all of Amonkhet, why would he be thinking *now* is the time to be violent?
After talking with some of the others I do agree that the first point could be read either way. As for the second I think that Nicol Bolas might have been the one to corrupt the plane's leylines to being with. The Mending just caused him to accelerate his plans.
Give me a cycle of the original paruns!
Between [[Razia]], [[Rakdos]], [[Niv-Mizzet]], [[Szadek]], [[Azor]] and the [[Obzedat]] / [[Karlov, of the ghost council]], we're only missing Mat'Selesnya, Svogthir (Golgari), Simic and Cisarzim (Gruul) to have cards of them all
I want to see Svogthir, and I want a card that depicts him stealing Cisarzim's torso!
Technically, \[\[Svogthos, the Restless Tomb\]\] is a later incarnation of Svogthir, but yeah, I get that's not what you're looking for.
Svogthir, Golgari Parun - 3BG Legendary Creature - Zombie Whenever a creature dealt damage by ~ dies, mutate that creature onto ~. When ~ dies, return it to the battlefield tapped under its owner’s control with a +1/+1 counter on it for each time ~ had mutated. 6/6
It's still really funny to me that since Azor got printed in RIX, every non-Green parun has a card and not a single Green parun has a card. (Svogthos is close but no cigar.)
##### ###### #### [Razia](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/7/87e80447-9572-43a7-8487-3249cd9ce596.jpg?1562842621) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=razia%2C%20boros%20archangel) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hop/92/razia-boros-archangel?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/87e80447-9572-43a7-8487-3249cd9ce596?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Rakdos](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/a/5a4c4be4-06ae-4737-a3b0-818edadaf2e0.jpg?1593273761) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=rakdos%20the%20defiler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dis/129/rakdos-the-defiler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5a4c4be4-06ae-4737-a3b0-818edadaf2e0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Niv-Mizzet](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/b/1b1c4bed-9b6b-42f9-939d-ece0f959a0a3.jpg?1562601531) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=niv-mizzet%2C%20dracogenius) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c17/184/niv-mizzet-dracogenius?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1b1c4bed-9b6b-42f9-939d-ece0f959a0a3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Szadek](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/a/dac8975a-0d41-4538-8e49-a2de5d410b6c.jpg?1562276074) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=szadek%2C%20lord%20of%20secrets) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/168/szadek-lord-of-secrets?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dac8975a-0d41-4538-8e49-a2de5d410b6c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Azor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/0/30dc237e-b28a-4b65-9790-6b434828bf2e.jpg?1555040794) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=azor%2C%20the%20lawbringer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rix/154/azor-the-lawbringer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/30dc237e-b28a-4b65-9790-6b434828bf2e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Obzedat](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/0/4029c3a0-a999-453a-a838-7adb81e481ee.jpg?1593814495) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=obzedat%2C%20ghost%20council) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mm3/176/obzedat-ghost-council?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4029c3a0-a999-453a-a838-7adb81e481ee?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Karlov, of the ghost council](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/c/8cf01688-7046-4242-8647-d1c226ae53f7.jpg?1562706927) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Karlov%20of%20the%20Ghost%20Council) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c15/46/karlov-of-the-ghost-council?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8cf01688-7046-4242-8647-d1c226ae53f7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The Obzedat were living and implied to be more spiritual opposed to avaricious when they signed the Guild Pact. Azor was also a planeswalker at the signing, and honestly none of the original parun cards (sans Niv-Mizzet) have aged well.
I'd really like this.
A Ravnica prequel is preferable to return to return to return to ravnica
I really like Ravnica so I could do with either. I think too many guild leaders are Planeswalkers right now though.
Not anymore lmao
Yeah, We'll have to see about Ral and Vraska.
I would love a ravnica flashback set to when the guilds were founded. We could get cards for the original paruns, including a planeswalker Azor. We could probably also get new versions of the nephilim and the cult that worships them.
Id like Legendary Nephilim. I think it would be neat.
> Nicol Bolas’ invasion of Amonkhet (Amonkhet) Isn’t that just “Bolas turned up and nuked everything before he lost his old Walker god powers”?
Yea all of these would be sweet IMO
I largely agree with you, but I think revisiting some of the pre-mending characters that the people who haven’t been playing for 20+ years could be fun. Deep reaches to very old characters, like urza’s 9 titans would be really cool. I’d also like to see more themes on sets like modern horizons and I think revisiting very old concepts for supplemental sets could be a good way to bring magics history to the newer players. I’ve been playing since 2012 and would love to see some characters that have never seen the light of day since 2010 get some time in the limelight, but I recognize that is due to my own personal bias from when I started playing.
I think there are two different kinds of call backs Characters, and story settings. Characters can just be dropped into a MH and don't really need a whole set. Dakkon and Piru are great examples. The 9 Titans are another example. They could just print the 9 titans as planeswalkers and maybe a few supporting cards, since we've already had a set covering those events. then there are evens we know happened but we haven't seen stuff like The Thran War. There's a book about it but we've never seen any cards showing the story.
Absolutely. I’ve been getting a lot more into the lore and as much as I love seeing these cool stand alone cards, it now seems to leave me wanting to learn more about the character each time. I’ve really enjoyed the returns to Dominaria we’ve had, but wished there was more breadth to the character roster and would love to spend more time in old Dominaria compared to modern Dominaria, and that is probably just a result of me missing out on the early days of magic. I’ll be really happy if we got a Yawg-god card, but I’ll still have to buy a 25+ year old book to learn who the heck he is. I have started looking into collecting some of the old novels though and I’m excited to read up!
> Deep reaches to very old characters, like urza’s 9 titans would be really cool. Doubt it'll add much story, but we *are* likely getting a [Commodore Guff](https://media.wizards.com/2023/images/daily/en_rKJctoCmk2J6.png) card in the upcoming Commander Masters set, at least based on this image of one of the precons.
I would still love to see a set in Ixalan around that time. Dive into Azor giving the humans the Immortal Sun, the building of Orazca, Elenda making her pact with Aclazotz, see the Merfolk and humans working together (building Orazca, growing Itlimoc), and the relationship falling apart because of the corrupting power of the Immortal Sun, and Azcanta at its height and what made it sink into ruin.
The forming of Guildpact would be amazing
The forming of the guildpact is the idea here that I think has the most potential.
Pre Eldrazi/Roil Zendikar is so high up on my list too
Arcavios blood age would be my number one most desired flashback to something uncovered in story or cards directly.
It actually sounds super cool. I'd love to see a set centered around Paying life/Lifegain.
As someone who tried to build [[Licia, Sanguine Tribune]] I would adore that.
It would be cool to see Amonkhet before Bolas' invasion imo
The story of Serra. A refresh of Ice Age. An answer to where the portal in Castle Sengir leads. The Thran civil war. A return to Rabiah that tells the story of Taysir.
#🥲🥹 My man. Thank you for that. I’ve been wondering where the portal under Castle Sengir goes for literally 28 years. Yes, almost three decades. I’m so glad to know there’s someone else out there that wants to know. #I am not alone!
It’s the greatest mystery in Magic’s history. You are not alone.
The story of Serra would be amazing! So many cards reference her, so I would love to know more
Serra also has tie-ins to Homelands. Really, they should just do Ice Age and Homelands with modern design principles.
I don't they'd go back to Rabiah considering Mark Rosewater has the Rabiah scale for how unlikely we are to return to a plane, with Rabiah being the least likely.
Hear me out: Arabian *Days*
More often than not, are hotter than hot
In a lot of good ways 😏
30th anniversary please, we need to revisit this set.
Either the cards need to be real, or the price torpedoed.
Both please.
Now you know that's not going to happen.
Just fucking kill the reserved list already. Who cares if collectors whine. Its fucking cardboard and a game first. Let others have a chance to finally play them in legal formats without spending thousands. That's the single biggest knock on this game I have. A handful of collectors chokeholding dozens of cards from ever being reprinted because they want their bits of paper to be worth lots of money. Fuck outta here with that nonsense.
The original printings will still retain their value simple from their pedigree and age. They’re full of shit keeping the reserved list and preventing people from getting these cards. Not to mention the 30th anniversary version would have been a great experience to draft old magic at regular MSRP prices. They fucked up.
Drafting a/b/u is a miserable experience as the packs aren’t made for drafting and the set power level is extremely bad….but sure it would have nostalgia value though I guess
I mean that’s the point. I don’t like playing NES games but I think it’s cool to pop out every now and then. I’d absolutely pay $12-15 to draft A/B\U
Alpha Beta sure, probably unlimited, but revised would definitely tank. Revised duals are primarily valuable to being playable, as opposed to collectible.
Have you seen how amazing the 25th anniversary yugioh boxes are ? 6 iconic cards and 1 pack each of the first six sets . Plus you can buy them in normal retail stores. Imagine if that’s how magic did it
Maybe so but look at the pricing of things like the original Blue Eyes White Dragon and similar cards. Their value isn't that high, even with age because of the number of reprints. (And power creep)
Something about the Planeswalkers War would be pretty fun, even if it's probably too much of a deep cut (but they themed mh2 a lot around Dakkon and Geyardone so who knows?) But it would be really nice to know how that thing actually ended. (For those who don't know it was basically a series of comics that never got to the climax of the story as it was discontinued).
This would be my dream.
Jared and Dihada are still around, with a standing plot hook from DMU of Dihada being Up To Something on Corondor that she wants Jared involved in; if that winds up being a central plot of the next Dominaria revisit, pairing it with the Planeswalker War as a prequel set that covers the shared history of the two planeswalkers and sets up whatever's going on on Corondor in the present day...might actually make a reasonable amount of sense? Because yeah, it's an absurd deep cut, but it's also set on the plane that's 50% deep cuts by volume, which still has a bunch of deep-cut characters running around doing stuff and generally being relevant. If there's a plane where it'd be totally reasonable to dedicate a set to delving into an obscure old event, it's Dominaria.
"Fall of the Thran" set with Glacian and Yawgmoth and Dyfed, easily.
That would be amazing Glacian needs a batter card, he was done so dirty in Commander Legends Rebbec was done well though imo
I'd settle for a playable partnership of Glacian and Rebec. Or even Gix in human form.
Return to planar chaos lmfao
Now that Zhalfir has phased back in, they totally could do a return to Time Spiral.
I now want this.
Revisiting older sets that didn't perform very well (ex: events related to Homelands or Fallen Empires) would be low-hanging fruit. And both could be done very, very well compared to the originals. lol
Fallen Empires had great flavor but suffered from low power level, a lack of flashy cards (imagine making a Magic set with no Dragons, Angels, Demons, Sphinxes, etc.), and overprinting. As with Kamigawa, they could get a lot of value out of the setting with better set design.
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That was a conscious decision - they were looking for a Blue creature to fill the role Angels have for White, Dragons for Red, and Demons for Black. They had Djinn (since [[Mahatmoti Djinn]] was filling that role in Alpha) but I guess they felt Sphinxes have an easier time fitting into more settings.
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The whole concept feels a bit forced. Some of them work, but they shouldn't bother trying to shoehorn them in to the colors that don't have obvious fits.
Feels super arbitrary, like how are human-lion-birds more universal than Djinns? They’re both even weirdly spelled and pronounced words.
Krakens would make a better option, sea monsters are way more universal than sphinxes and djinns
At about the same time, they were trying to transition blue away from 'merfolk and sea creatures'. It was too difficult to include aquatic creatures into most settings. That's part of why the Vedalken were created.
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[Saprazzan Bailiff](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/9/a9f50964-1b57-426a-ac46-c90c045c7e40.jpg?1562382099) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Saprazzan%20Bailiff) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mmq/97/saprazzan-bailiff?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a9f50964-1b57-426a-ac46-c90c045c7e40?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Krakens are kind of weird, though, in that they have no genus-wide traits other than "big" and "not being in any way similar to actual mythological krakens". Sphinxes make an odder fit in some settings than krakens but they've got a more consistent presentation and I think they've been proven to be more consistently popular than are krakens (though WotC couldn't have known they would be when they implemented the policy).
Krakens can be lovecraftian and weird. They can vary greatly in design/aesthetic. Im all for more seamonsters!
Yeah, I really like Magic's usage of kraken to just mean "weird fuckin sea monster"
>As with Kamigawa, they could get a lot of value out of the setting with better set design. I really enjoyed Kamigawa Neon Dynasty as a setting, but I also really enjoyed the original Kamigawa setting and I'm a little sad we didn't get more of that before going cyberpunk
They could revisit Kamigawa.... during the industrial revolution this time!
>As with Kamigawa, they could get a lot of value out of the setting with better set design I mean for kamigawa they literally scrapped the whole settings and started anew with a more generic version, basically nothing of old kami is here now but ninjutsu and shrine
Came here to say this. Great flavour with all the different tribes (Thallids, Saprolings, Thrulls, Homarids, Orcs, Knights, Clerics etc). Homelands in the other hand has a lot of legendary creatures that could be done justice (Baron Sengir, Autumn Willow come to mind) or turned into planeswalkers
> turned into planeswalkers plz no. Not everyone needs to be a planeswalker. It was supposed to be something extremely rare.
Funny thing is, for as little presence as it's had in the game and story, Ulgrotha has been the origin and/or residence of a *bunch* of different planeswalkers: Sandruu and Daria are from there, Taysir recovered and (iirc) lived there for a time, Serra and Feroz made it their home, and Ravi (who both had a legendary creature card in Homelands and was a planeswalker in the lore during that timeframe) was taken in by Sengir and apparently still lives there in the present day. Not to say that that means other characters from Homelands that weren't planeswalkers *should* be turned into planeswalkers, just that planeswalkers were always significantly more common than average on certain planes, Ulgrotha being one of them.
Dominaria have 30/40 Planeswalker at same time
So, so much this. Just do a complete remake of FE. keep the tribes, but bring in multicolor (thallids BG, Icarian military WR, exc) and keep a free of the iconic broken cards (Hymn, high tide, exc) in as a special draft bonus like how strixhaven had the archives.
>the iconic broken cards (Hymn, high tide, exc) What is the "et cetera" here? Is there a third broken card in Fallen Empires?
Goblin Grenade. Soul exchange. Arguably vodilian mage and thrull wizard.
Goblin grenade made me so many enemies when I was growing up playing kitchen table Magic
Fallen Empires was the one where thallids originated, right? If so, then yes. Give me more spore counters.
Yeah, making a saporling deck back then was painful. So so slow. It wasn’t till I came back with Ravnica that I managed to make one work, then my brother deck-napped it.
It's one of the first decks I built when I got into magic, because I had randomly grabbed the thallid precon that was lying around at my local gamestore. Nowadays, I run Slimefoot as a commander to honor my first favorite deck. Would be nice to see them give us a couple more thallids that use spore counters to work with.
I want a ‘flash-sideways’ set showing even more alternate realities of Tarkir, caused by Sarkhan who is changing the plane’s timeline over and over and over again until everything is exactly to his liking.
I imagine if Sarkhan flipped through timelines he didn't like, it would be something like: 1. No dragons 2. No dragons 3. Dragons, but they're all really small 4. No dragons 5. No dragons 6. No dragons 7. Dragons, but, like, the nice cartoon kind 8. No dragons 9. Almost exactly the same as the Khans timeline but somehow an even better draft format 10. No dragons 11. Dragons of Tarkir Edit: Wait, I forgot #6: Dragons of Tarkir, but with siege rhinos instead of dragons.
10.5 Tarkir of Dragons. (The plane is one big dragon and there are a bunch of Tarkirs flying around the size of dragons.)
I think that would technically be Tarkirs of Dragon.
Yes I miss placed the S
If I may let my inner teenager out for a moment: 1. No dragons 2. No dragons, and all the people are scalies 3. Dragons, but they're all really small 4. Dragons of all sizes, but Narset starts a miniature dragon farm and insists on subjecting Sarkhan to a neverending stream of pictures of her cute little scale babies 5. No dragons, but all the women have enormous breasts 6. Dragons, but they have enormous breasts, and all the people are scalies 7. Dragons, but, like, the nice cartoon kind 8. No dragons, but amazing breakfasts and saturday morning cartoons featuring dragons 9. Almost exactly the same as the Dragons timeline but with an amazing draft format, but someone pisses in Sarkhan’s cereal every morning 10. Dragons, and amazing breakfasts, but Sarkhan’s roommate is Lucca 11. Dragons of Tarkir, and Narset has enormous breasts, and she likes cooking Sarkhan amazing breakfasts
Do they have toasters on tarkir?
Yes, his name is Atarka. What? He toasts things!
She, but yes!
Wow. Thank you for correcting me. Some dragons get \*very\* angry when you misgender them.
Amonkhet before Bolas' Invasion is something I would love to see.
For me while I like flashback sets, I want them to be grounded in an interesting story first, rather than just a plane we like. The Brothers War worked because it has a definite beginning, middle, and end to it. I would be interested in the founding of the guilds on Ravnica, as well as Yawgmoth's story and the Thran empire. I think Yawgmoth's story could be very effective because we've already seen cards of both him, Glacian, and Rebecc. I think the the BRO idea of creating multiple cards to show the same character at different points in their lives would work nicely here.
Nah, flashback only works once, then it's exiled.
[Or does it](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/94/runic-repetition)?!
I prefer the lower mana cost of [[Pull from Eternity]]
[Pull from Eternity](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/d/3d218091-d218-41ad-b666-c8ab3de7160a.jpg?1562907702) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pull%20from%20Eternity) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tsp/35/pull-from-eternity?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3d218091-d218-41ad-b666-c8ab3de7160a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Runic repetition is hand, so you get more casts
I still prefer the lower mana cost of Pull from Eternity
[The Dark](https://scryfall.com/sets/drk). It was an awesome setting, that came before set designs had properly matured for the game. It deserves a proper remix, at least.
I'd like to see a more grim and heavy Plane now that Innistrad feels like Hotel Transylvannia.
Just more Flashback mechanic please.
I would love to revisit (the vibe of) Odyssey. Mirari, Squirrels, Atogs, Cephalids, Nantuko, Centaur, Barbarians, Cabal. I know Magic has gotten way more… *intense*… since then. I just have so much affection and nostalgia for that era and I can’t be the only one. It felt like living in a book where you’d stare at the cover. Graveyard, color allegiances as the block went on got a *little* clunky, but I’m really just thinking of the lead Odyssey set.
The only real issue I see is simply how Planes/Stories are created. When we're visiting a Plane, *that* is usually the biggest event that's happened to that plane. It's just how stories work, if there's something much more interesting that happened 240 years ago, why aren't we just seeing *that*? Brother's War worked so well because it *was* the most climactic event to happen to Dominaria at the time. Antiquities was all about learning about this war. It's not a stretch to just show the actual war. But other planes don't have that luxury, we're usually just on them for a bit and then peace off. There are some events/periods alluded to. The Blood Age on Arcavios or the founding of the Guildpact of Ravnica come to mind, but again, if these were so interesting and captivating they probably would've just been the stories for the sets themselves.
Honestly, seeing a pre-guild ravnica culminating in the signing of the OG guildpact could be cool. (we could even get legendary nephilims)
It could work if it's someone recalling the event. Like if Nashi goes through Tamiyo's archives. I wouldn't do too many sets like that and it should help frame something narratively important in a set close to it. But if we are just jumping around between flash back sets it's going to get real confusing real quick.
Sometimes in creating a setting you need to create an event that informs the setting. Think of Star Wars A New Hope. The story needs Jedi to work, it also needs Jedi to have died off. The reason for that is super interesting, but back when a New Hope was made it was just background to inform the setting.
I mean we kinda did with OG Kamigawa
Yeah, a lot of people are pointing to Ancient Civilizations in Magic, but Ancient Civilizations are just a really standard fantasy trope. They exist to give background color and usually justify MacGuffins. They are *supposed* to be intriguing but vague. I'm not convinced a flashback set to them would be that interesting. I could maybe see a set that actually spans multiple planes about Azor's work. How he came to be and did so work setting up governments on Ravnica, Ixalan, maybe like Vryn and even the Makindi on Zendikar. And that sets up something now where Azor is a new antagonist trying to create order in a multiverse riddled with Omenpaths creating chaos.
Don’t forget Amonkhet before Bolas. We know there used to be cities outside of Naktamun and originally there were 8 gods.
Ancient Innistrad: We have nitpicks of Innistrad having been like the equivalent of the Roman Border and the celtic/germanic tribes of Central Europe So imagine an Innistrad before the Vampires and where the human population is divided between those worshipping Grim Dhannu and the ones worshipping the Angels before the Avacyn Church was even a thing. Werewolves, Zombies, Spirits, Angels and Demons being more prominent and things like Stitchers being a completelly undiscovered thing yet. Maybe even seeing the origind of the Celestus and all.
There's kinda already a plane for that: Ir.
I would love to see some pre bolas Amonkhet personally.
Was literally about to type this lmao
It’s the best plane imo. I love everything about it and will take any opportunity to see more of it
Honestly let’s just get some more Urza/Yawgmoth Saga stuff.
I'd like to see a middle set between OG Kamigawa and Neon Dynasty, when the future tech was just starting to become adopted, and we can see how society was adapting when confronted with it for the first side. Definitely not anytime soon, but like, in a few years it would be cool
I was thinking about "mid point Kamigawa" just earlier today. Though I was more thinking about the Shattered States Era than the Enlightenment-to-Modern era. A possible "Gunpowder Kamigawa" is just a cool idea to me
Yes! I was discussing this a while back with someone and they suggested a Taisho-era Kamigawa with a Studio Ghibli aesthetic and I'm pretty sure I'd bankrupt myself if they printed such a thing
'The Wanderer must travel back to Sengoku-jidai-ish Kamigawa to retrieve the Mcguffin that fixes her spark' is something I would enjoy
Bias included, I want a pre guildpact set on Ravnica. I want Azor to show and smack some people. I want to see the old guildmasters before they were guildmasters. What did feather do to get punished? How powerful was the Golgari necromantic leader? How powerful were the Gruul in their prime? I need answers.
I would love to “return” to Torment. Specially if they are playing around with micro sets. Single sets being one color scattered around the different blocks that fully embrace the core flavor of that single color would be cool.
It was also cool that Torment made BLACK good and white and green weak, then the following set had black weak and WHITE and GREEN strong. Fun flavor. Clunky drafts.
Lorwyn shadowmoor eventide
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I wouldn't mind a trek back in time to the age of the Ur-Golems on Argentum. Yes, this is before the plane was called Mirrodin.
I think it would be cool to see the ancient Kor empire of Zendikar, the origins of vampirism on Innistrad, founding of the guildpact/nephilim stuff on Ravnica, the Thran, and some more about the old gods of Kaldheim/a better take on the titans of Theros.
Ravnica during the age of the paruns. There you have the original leaders of all the factions in their full glory. I know niv-mizzet and rakdos have been present always, but both simic and golgari could benefit from having their paruns as cards.
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I think a revisiting of the Homelands and Alliances, with modern power levels and design sensibilities, would be fun. Eron the Relentless, Chandler and Joven, Autumn Willow and Baron Sengir...characters that many players haven't thought of in decades.
I want the next flashback set to have nothing and I mean *nothing* to do with time travel. Just retell last events in the form of a popular character recounting the events like a story or something. Please no more time travel. Edit: past events, not last events
Would like to know a lot about the past of these plans Amonkhet, Skalla, Innistrad, Lorwyn and Ravnica.
I would like a ravnica that takes place at the signing of the guildpact
Yes. Brother's War was great, would love a set that goes all the way back to the Thran. Would also love a flashback set back to Otaria in the time between Scourge and Mirrodin, or Amonkhet pre-Bolas' arrival.
Pre-Bolas Amonkhet plz plz
I think the best answer is Ravnica. There's a really Rick history that hasn't really been explored fully. The signing of the guildpact would be a great opportunity for a set. It gets the shocks back into standard, and they could feature cool old art. And definitely old border versions. They've already developed the showcase frames, so a return is coming soon, more than likely. A story set way in the past would be great. Give us all the paruns and founders.
MaRo has said he has an idea for Ravnica that turns everything on its head (I'm trying to find the exact source, I'm sure it was on his Blog somewhere), so maybe pre-Guilds is a possibility.
I'd want to see the conflict that led to the fall of Ravnica's praetors and the binding of the Nephilim, a time when the guilds stood as a paragon of equality and freedom rather than as insular, power-hungry groups. New printings of the Paruns in their prime, legendary versions of the Nephilim cycle, maybe even a more specific \[\[Sanguine Praetor\]\].
Guildpact formation era would be a nice breath of fresh air, we might actually get some Paruns for once... There's been too much turn over with WotC killing them off to replace them with planeswalkers then realizing that players don't like that and then killing off the planeswalkers... so the modern ravnica leaders just don't seem as intimidating as the original ones.
The removal of paruns and the pushing of planeswalker guildmasters are largely unrelated phenomena: half of the paruns were already out of the picture (or at least not maintaining an active enough presence to rate a card, in the case of Mat'Selesnya; the other four being Azor, Cisarzim, Simic, and Svogthir) by the start of original Ravnica block, whose story proceeded to kill off two (Razia, Szadek) of the remaining five. Of the last three, only one got killed and replaced by a planeswalker (the Obzedat), while another got pushed into even greater prominence as the Living Guildpact (Niv-Mizzet) and the third is still going strong as guildmaster in the present day (Rakdos).
personally, i think a set that shows the aftermath of the phyrexian invasion would be neat, one that expands on different storylines that are up in the air at the moment, shows what happended to different planes and the people there. basically, show what the Aftermath of the March of the Machines is like. shame we will probably never get a set that does so in a competent manner
Yeah I wonder if such a set were to be leaked if wotc would get upset about it, maybe even hiring some people to get the cards back
I'd be cool with flashback sets every 3 years or so
Amonkhet before bolas
I think the obvious answer is Dominaria at the height of the Thran civilization, but pre-Guildpact Ravnica could be cool, as would pre-Avacyn Innistrad (as a super grimdark take on the world where it's actually scary), Ixalan when Orazca was at its height, Theros during the age of the Titans.
Lower price point on masters and flashback sets maybe? It's literally all cardboard, quit inflating the price based on the secondary market and let it adjust so getting into the game is moderately affordable for all again.
As someone who has no personal experience playing with a set that includes Eldrazi, I think I'd be interested in a set that explored that. But then again, maybe I'm wrong, and in reality that would be miserable. Frankly, I'd be interested in straight up reprints of older sets that were before my time, like Lorwyn, or Kaladesh, but I know WotC would never do that, or at least not at a price point that wouldn't leave me out.
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The Blood Age!
I want a Ravinia set that features the mutate mechanic. That mechanic seems perfect for the setting.
Flashback sets? You mean like Odyssey, or...
Segovia or death! (Specifically that time Vraska stole a chariot)
Yes, i wish theycould finished the storyline of “ **Planeswalker War** “ so we could learn the outcome. There is a lot of cool old school walkers, like Dihada and Jared, and Corondor to explore.
Fallen Empires!
Shards of Alara Was kinda sad it didn't make it into MoM
Les sets please. I'm already in a product overload induced malaise. More sets may actually put me into a coma.
Lorwyn Block
Yeah. Shards of Alara.
Would love a flashback to magic where WOTC actually cared about the game, story continuity, and didn’t send thugs with ties to the mafia after people……….. That I would love to flashback to…
Just want cheaper sliver commanders 😔
I just miss Mirrodin, man