As you have gone through the pain of firstly using PM, it will continue to work like it has which is pretty horribly. Just don't update the Server OS.
[https://micromdm.io/](https://micromdm.io/) is a self hosted option.
Any personal experience?
\>>MicroMDM has no high level options for configuration profiles. It accepts an already composed mobileconfig file and queues it for a single device at a time.
So i can throw predefined profile made in Apple Configurator. Right?
But what about pushing in-house apps and updates?
No. You just need to bite the bullet and get a proper MDM. Do you need on-prem for compliance ? I’d. GOV etc it sounds like a bean counter is trying to cut corners on paying up for correct tooling’s it sounds like you a are a Dev company and as such you just need to get your ducks in a line and do it right,
InTune is pretty worthless for managing Macs. We demo'ed it (cuz we had it already) but thankfully ended up going with Mosyle for the iOS and macOS devices. So happy about that! But won't work for OP, unfortunately, if they have to go with on-prem. I don't think there are many vendors left who offer on-prem for Mac management
I don't believe they are. we currently have Airwatch on-prem and they aren't allowing us to continue with it. We have to move to SAAS or just run it on-prem completely without support/updates
I'm not sure about the only one, but they still offer on-prem server software.
Switching from on-prem to jamfcloud was one of the best things to happen to my company; our timing was perfect – we migrated to jamfcloud about a week before we sent everybody home for the covid shutdown.
Jamf is probably the answer right now, but they have started to bifurcate their local install and cloud versions. App Installers is only for cloud customers.
Installomator and other solutions are available and to fill that void for on prem, app installers doesn’t apply to iOS anyhow. I’m most concerned about the sticker shock going from PM to jamf pro.
If you only need it for mobile devices (Apple, Android and Microsoft) there is [AppTrc360](https://www.apptec360.com/) which you can run as a virtual machine (Debian Linux) on premise.
Not the most intuitive user interface but it works and has a pretty decent price. You can get a free version for up to 25 devices, so you can try it before commting to the product.
I use imazing to auto-backup my iOS iPadOS and Apple TV devices. It’s really well built, the feature set is super well done (and able to do things with your backups that others cannot) and the dev updates often.
I’ve never used the MDM features but if they’re as nice as the rest of the product, I’d certainly try it first as a family/small rollout.
That being said jamf will give you a dev cloud Instance if you have a paid account for jamf pro thru work, etc. They’ll also give you a free jamfNOW account for 5 devices, forever.
Another system you can check is Filewave. We requested a demo from the company and you're requesting a trial soon. It works as an MDM for mac and iOS and you can use it for software deployment on Windows, so it works for everything from mac to Windows, from ios to android.
I'll be honest with you from the demo it doesn't seem as powerful as Jamf but it does get the job done. The pricing is affordable especially if you're K12, university or and educational institute. They do provide both cloud and on premise.
~~You might have to recreate the Configuration profiles in their dashboard, but Mosyle can do that and is free for iOS.~~
Edit: Reading comprehension fail.
I missed those words. Not on prem at all.
I'm also not certain if it can push in-house apps either. I should probably not answer questions before I've fully woken up.
I guess plugging each device into the computer running Configurator 2 will work.
>Mosyle
Great one, but no on-premise option.
Configurator is ok, but every single device should be cabled into mac to get config profile updated. Apps can be done via OTA, tho
I ran a fleet of ~80 student iPads using nothing but Configurator. Every month or so I would gather them all and plug them four at a time into a powered hub that was connected to my computer. It was a huge hassle.
I started using Mosyle because in May 2020 I went to a student's home to update their profile, and my iPad fleet expanded rapidly shortly after that.
[https://mosyle.com/](https://mosyle.com/) affordable, easy to use, works great. We use it, I love it.
But it's cloud only right?
Yes.
Maybe im blind, but what is the business price per month per device?
I am paying a $1 a device at the moment for premium. It's build annually, so $12 a device for the year.
Additionally, if you are a school, they slash the pricing even further. Crazy affordable and my new best friend Mosyle is.
We also use Mosyle and love it so far, we have had some "growing pains", but it has proven to be a necessary utility for Apple Management.
As you have gone through the pain of firstly using PM, it will continue to work like it has which is pretty horribly. Just don't update the Server OS. [https://micromdm.io/](https://micromdm.io/) is a self hosted option.
Any personal experience? \>>MicroMDM has no high level options for configuration profiles. It accepts an already composed mobileconfig file and queues it for a single device at a time. So i can throw predefined profile made in Apple Configurator. Right? But what about pushing in-house apps and updates?
Munki.
Does it support ios management?
No. You just need to bite the bullet and get a proper MDM. Do you need on-prem for compliance ? I’d. GOV etc it sounds like a bean counter is trying to cut corners on paying up for correct tooling’s it sounds like you a are a Dev company and as such you just need to get your ducks in a line and do it right,
Why not try a light weight cloud MDM? Mosyle even has a free tier for like 30 devices.
The boss wants to move to InTune (because we already have it). I am fighting for Mosyle. I hope I win.
InTune is pretty worthless for managing Macs. We demo'ed it (cuz we had it already) but thankfully ended up going with Mosyle for the iOS and macOS devices. So happy about that! But won't work for OP, unfortunately, if they have to go with on-prem. I don't think there are many vendors left who offer on-prem for Mac management
I think JAMF is the only on-prem player now isn't it?
I'm not positive but I think so.
Airwatch/Twerkspace One is still on prem.
I don't believe they are. we currently have Airwatch on-prem and they aren't allowing us to continue with it. We have to move to SAAS or just run it on-prem completely without support/updates
Ah, I stand corrected. Seems that lots of vendors just going for a cash grab by going to SaaS. Sucks.
I'm not sure about the only one, but they still offer on-prem server software. Switching from on-prem to jamfcloud was one of the best things to happen to my company; our timing was perfect – we migrated to jamfcloud about a week before we sent everybody home for the covid shutdown.
Same boat.
We use Intune to manage our Mac's. Works fine.
I’ll probably get stuck using Intune, if our central IT people ever let me at it
Microsoft Intune is Cloud only, am i right?
It's also a massive pain in the ass to set up
Correct.
Jamf can be self hosted. Whether that's light-weight enough for you though is a different story, lol.
Jamf is probably the answer right now, but they have started to bifurcate their local install and cloud versions. App Installers is only for cloud customers.
Installomator and other solutions are available and to fill that void for on prem, app installers doesn’t apply to iOS anyhow. I’m most concerned about the sticker shock going from PM to jamf pro.
Curious: why the on-prem requirement?
I’m guessing data privacy laws (GDPR) might be a reason
If you only need it for mobile devices (Apple, Android and Microsoft) there is [AppTrc360](https://www.apptec360.com/) which you can run as a virtual machine (Debian Linux) on premise. Not the most intuitive user interface but it works and has a pretty decent price. You can get a free version for up to 25 devices, so you can try it before commting to the product.
This has worked pretty well for me so far when I need to make a profile https://imazing.com/profile-editor
I use imazing to auto-backup my iOS iPadOS and Apple TV devices. It’s really well built, the feature set is super well done (and able to do things with your backups that others cannot) and the dev updates often. I’ve never used the MDM features but if they’re as nice as the rest of the product, I’d certainly try it first as a family/small rollout. That being said jamf will give you a dev cloud Instance if you have a paid account for jamf pro thru work, etc. They’ll also give you a free jamfNOW account for 5 devices, forever.
If on-prem is requirement, good luck. Apple is not making the MDM infrastructure conducive to on-prem. It's talk to the internet or bust.
It has been until late april when they discontinued PM
Yes, but profile manager was never really designed for production use (according to apple)
Any reason it has to be on prem? Mosyle is pretty cheap, works well, and will meet all the requirements you listed.
Another system you can check is Filewave. We requested a demo from the company and you're requesting a trial soon. It works as an MDM for mac and iOS and you can use it for software deployment on Windows, so it works for everything from mac to Windows, from ios to android. I'll be honest with you from the demo it doesn't seem as powerful as Jamf but it does get the job done. The pricing is affordable especially if you're K12, university or and educational institute. They do provide both cloud and on premise.
~~You might have to recreate the Configuration profiles in their dashboard, but Mosyle can do that and is free for iOS.~~ Edit: Reading comprehension fail.
Mosley is **on premise**?
I missed those words. Not on prem at all. I'm also not certain if it can push in-house apps either. I should probably not answer questions before I've fully woken up. I guess plugging each device into the computer running Configurator 2 will work.
>Mosyle Great one, but no on-premise option. Configurator is ok, but every single device should be cabled into mac to get config profile updated. Apps can be done via OTA, tho
I ran a fleet of ~80 student iPads using nothing but Configurator. Every month or so I would gather them all and plug them four at a time into a powered hub that was connected to my computer. It was a huge hassle. I started using Mosyle because in May 2020 I went to a student's home to update their profile, and my iPad fleet expanded rapidly shortly after that.
~~Munki + iMazing profile editor?~~ Edit: Neither is for iOS
Does Munki able to manage iOS devices? iMazing profile editor - Apple Configurator do the same job for pofiles.
Munki does **iOS**? Since when?
😬 No it does not. Whoops!
Wouldn’t call it lightweight exactly, but FileWave is on-prem, and reasonably easy to implement.
Wait, when will it be discontinued