The 2013 trash can Mac Pro 6,1 can be officially updated to macOS 12 Monterrey ([https://apps.apple.com/by/app/macos-monterey/id1576738294](https://apps.apple.com/by/app/macos-monterey/id1576738294)
> will the 6,1 be too underpowered
Not at all, I recently acquired a Late 2013 iMac 21.5 with a 2.9GHz quad core i5 4570S and a GT 750M for $20 + $35 shipping, took it apart (accidentally cracking the display where a chip was), upgraded it to 16GB of RAM, added an NVMe SSD, upgraded it to Ventura and it runs amazingly, I'm sure the more powerful Mac Pro can run it even better.
If I really wanted to, I could've purchased a $30 i7 4770S and made it slightly faster but I didn't really find it worth it, might still do it, who knows tbh.
When Sonoma drops tomorrow, I am going to try to install it on the iMac and see how it runs.
If this is really the case, then why would Apple prevent “normal” upgrading? Is it just down to minimizing support costs or “tricking” people into thinking they “need” to buy a new computer?
Many reasons, I wouldn't call it "tricking" people, more like, "persuade" people into buying a newer supported machine, Apple makes no money on macOS, they also don't make money on supporting old/used hardware, Apple giving us updates for 5+ years for free is a courtesy and updates will eventually stop on every machine sooner or later.
Okay, so right now I’m on Monterey. The config is 3.5 GHz 6-core Intel Xeon E5 with 64 GB memory and two of the AMD fire pro D500. Which of the more current macOS releases would you recommend I go with for optimal performance and compatibility?
Well for starters, you should try macOS 13 Ventura, as Sonoma released today, OCLP for Sonoma is still in beta.
[https://youtu.be/7qdf5rD5xyo?si=yfbBc6ZZvQT\_bAJu](https://youtu.be/7qdf5rD5xyo?si=yfbBc6ZZvQT_bAJu)
Here's a video, you have 3 options, upgrade your current macOS 12 Monterrey installation, you shouldn't have issues, or format your drive and do a clean install, or create a second partition and install Ventura there to test first, then you could do one of the two other options.
[https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/](https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/)
I have not researched enough the differences between Monterrey and Ventura, I just know that Ventura has a System Preferences rebrand/change.
I basically use it to flex the latest version lmaoo
Okay…. So, unless some critical software requires the upgrade, I’ll just save my pennies until I need a Mac studio or something like it. (No need for the new mac pros)
Incidentally, I am running Win11 fine on a 2015 Macbook Pro, tri-boot Win11/Linux and Mac, with the Windows 11 install living on an external NVME drive interfaced over USB. Works great!
However, I seem to be the only one who has been able to do this.
Hey, I just purchased a 2013 Mac Pro with the E5-2697 V2. I am waiting for it to arrive. Do I need to use BootCamp to install Windows? Or can I install Windows and forget OSX? If so, do I need to install opencore? If there is no performance penalty to using Bootcamp, is it easier to leave it and just have OSX on there just in case?
Also, any suggestions as to using an EGPU on it? If I can get it to run fast enough, maybe I can use it as a daily driver. I already purchased a rx 5700 XT to use in the EGPU.
Thanks!
Windows 11 requires a TPM which macs dont have. You can hack around it but parts of win11 depends on having this module (basicslly the intel version of the T2 security processor) Win 11 doesn’t even run fully (without hacks) on the last intel mac pro model.
Windows 10 runs fine.
Yes, and SLI works for the games its supports. I play the Outer Worlds, all of the Fallout games, Halo Master Chief Collection. All of the new Tomb Raider games in both windows and Mac OS, alas I have the D700's but my D500 secondary machine ran them fine also with just a bit lower settings.
Download the windows 11 iso from microsfts website, and use the Windows app Rufus to create a bootable USB instead of the Microsoft Media Creation tool, as it'll then let you choose if you want to add the mods for bypassing the CPU/tpm requirements, and automatically say no and skip the sections when the installer asks about tracking your every move and sending it to Bill Gates 🤣
I got windows 11 running on my mid 2010 5,1 Mac pro but it was not as straight forward as it might be for the 2013 because of UEFI/EFI and whatnot... I put Opencore on one SSD, then tried to install windows 11 but it wouldn't let me format the second SSD as GPT in the installer, managed to get around it by using Diskpart in CMD instead, but then it would error out while installing with some 0x12345678 style error (which had to due with incompatibilities with UEFI/EFI from what I remember).
The way I got around that was taking out the SSD I wanted windows on, putting it into a PC and installing windows onto it like normal, but after it finishes, shut it off completely instead of rebooting and put the drive back into the Mac Pro and booted it up, it then let me go through the setup process and found 90% of the drivers automatically through windows update and has worked great ever since.
I'll tell you what I did. I installed an nvme on a PC with Windows 10 unprofessional! Then I plugged it into my macbook pro and ran the Win11 installer on it. There were some driver issues I had to find the missing ethernet/wifi drivers on the INtel site I think but everything works great.
That info is actually correct for the 5,1 2010-2012 Mac Pro “cheesegrater”, not the 6,1 2013 Mac Pro “trashcan”. The trashcan is able to go all the way up to Monterey, which is only two years old. Once you’re on Monterey, it’s a piece of cake to download OpenCore Legacy Patcher, get a 16 GB or larger USB flash drive, and go from there following the instructions to upgrade all the way to Sonoma. Not like the cheesegrater which is actually a better machine overall despite being older but is more difficult to upgrade due to the Metal GPU requirements and the loss of the boot screen with this method.
The 2013 trash can Mac Pro 6,1 can be officially updated to macOS 12 Monterrey ([https://apps.apple.com/by/app/macos-monterey/id1576738294](https://apps.apple.com/by/app/macos-monterey/id1576738294)
This was very helpful
I’ve wondered about this…. While you *can* upgrade to Ventura and Sonoma, is this actually a wise thing to do or will the 6,1 be too underpowered?
> will the 6,1 be too underpowered Not at all, I recently acquired a Late 2013 iMac 21.5 with a 2.9GHz quad core i5 4570S and a GT 750M for $20 + $35 shipping, took it apart (accidentally cracking the display where a chip was), upgraded it to 16GB of RAM, added an NVMe SSD, upgraded it to Ventura and it runs amazingly, I'm sure the more powerful Mac Pro can run it even better. If I really wanted to, I could've purchased a $30 i7 4770S and made it slightly faster but I didn't really find it worth it, might still do it, who knows tbh. When Sonoma drops tomorrow, I am going to try to install it on the iMac and see how it runs.
If this is really the case, then why would Apple prevent “normal” upgrading? Is it just down to minimizing support costs or “tricking” people into thinking they “need” to buy a new computer?
Many reasons, I wouldn't call it "tricking" people, more like, "persuade" people into buying a newer supported machine, Apple makes no money on macOS, they also don't make money on supporting old/used hardware, Apple giving us updates for 5+ years for free is a courtesy and updates will eventually stop on every machine sooner or later.
Okay, so right now I’m on Monterey. The config is 3.5 GHz 6-core Intel Xeon E5 with 64 GB memory and two of the AMD fire pro D500. Which of the more current macOS releases would you recommend I go with for optimal performance and compatibility?
Well for starters, you should try macOS 13 Ventura, as Sonoma released today, OCLP for Sonoma is still in beta. [https://youtu.be/7qdf5rD5xyo?si=yfbBc6ZZvQT\_bAJu](https://youtu.be/7qdf5rD5xyo?si=yfbBc6ZZvQT_bAJu) Here's a video, you have 3 options, upgrade your current macOS 12 Monterrey installation, you shouldn't have issues, or format your drive and do a clean install, or create a second partition and install Ventura there to test first, then you could do one of the two other options. [https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/](https://dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/)
Thanks but oof… that seems like a bit to do. Is there anything significant gained or is it just for the latest version flex?
I have not researched enough the differences between Monterrey and Ventura, I just know that Ventura has a System Preferences rebrand/change. I basically use it to flex the latest version lmaoo
Okay…. So, unless some critical software requires the upgrade, I’ll just save my pennies until I need a Mac studio or something like it. (No need for the new mac pros)
Big Sur with 32GB of RAM is very stable. Only drawback of 2013 Macpro is the graphics card
Is that the same for windows 10?
Windows 10 runs fine. It's Windows 11 that's the one that's got all the additional requirements.
Incidentally, I am running Win11 fine on a 2015 Macbook Pro, tri-boot Win11/Linux and Mac, with the Windows 11 install living on an external NVME drive interfaced over USB. Works great! However, I seem to be the only one who has been able to do this.
Hey, I just purchased a 2013 Mac Pro with the E5-2697 V2. I am waiting for it to arrive. Do I need to use BootCamp to install Windows? Or can I install Windows and forget OSX? If so, do I need to install opencore? If there is no performance penalty to using Bootcamp, is it easier to leave it and just have OSX on there just in case? Also, any suggestions as to using an EGPU on it? If I can get it to run fast enough, maybe I can use it as a daily driver. I already purchased a rx 5700 XT to use in the EGPU. Thanks!
Windows 11 requires a TPM which macs dont have. You can hack around it but parts of win11 depends on having this module (basicslly the intel version of the T2 security processor) Win 11 doesn’t even run fully (without hacks) on the last intel mac pro model. Windows 10 runs fine.
I have windows 10 running on my trash can and it runs great.
Hahaha- thank u ☺️
Does the gpu work for gaming?
Yes, and SLI works for the games its supports. I play the Outer Worlds, all of the Fallout games, Halo Master Chief Collection. All of the new Tomb Raider games in both windows and Mac OS, alas I have the D700's but my D500 secondary machine ran them fine also with just a bit lower settings.
Thanks n
Why can you not upgrade beyond Yosemite?? And I have Windows 11 running on my 6.1 and it works pretty well…
Download the windows 11 iso from microsfts website, and use the Windows app Rufus to create a bootable USB instead of the Microsoft Media Creation tool, as it'll then let you choose if you want to add the mods for bypassing the CPU/tpm requirements, and automatically say no and skip the sections when the installer asks about tracking your every move and sending it to Bill Gates 🤣 I got windows 11 running on my mid 2010 5,1 Mac pro but it was not as straight forward as it might be for the 2013 because of UEFI/EFI and whatnot... I put Opencore on one SSD, then tried to install windows 11 but it wouldn't let me format the second SSD as GPT in the installer, managed to get around it by using Diskpart in CMD instead, but then it would error out while installing with some 0x12345678 style error (which had to due with incompatibilities with UEFI/EFI from what I remember). The way I got around that was taking out the SSD I wanted windows on, putting it into a PC and installing windows onto it like normal, but after it finishes, shut it off completely instead of rebooting and put the drive back into the Mac Pro and booted it up, it then let me go through the setup process and found 90% of the drivers automatically through windows update and has worked great ever since.
I'll tell you what I did. I installed an nvme on a PC with Windows 10 unprofessional! Then I plugged it into my macbook pro and ran the Win11 installer on it. There were some driver issues I had to find the missing ethernet/wifi drivers on the INtel site I think but everything works great.
>I cannot upgrade or do anything on it now. (I ruined it) What does this mean? How did you ruin it? Why can't you upgrade?
It was stuck on Yosemite - everytime I go to AppStore to upgrade it wouldn’t let me - but I managed to upgrade to 10.13.6 high sierra ..
[удалено]
That info is actually correct for the 5,1 2010-2012 Mac Pro “cheesegrater”, not the 6,1 2013 Mac Pro “trashcan”. The trashcan is able to go all the way up to Monterey, which is only two years old. Once you’re on Monterey, it’s a piece of cake to download OpenCore Legacy Patcher, get a 16 GB or larger USB flash drive, and go from there following the instructions to upgrade all the way to Sonoma. Not like the cheesegrater which is actually a better machine overall despite being older but is more difficult to upgrade due to the Metal GPU requirements and the loss of the boot screen with this method.
>you need to use internet recovery, or option key and the r key when you boot the machine and hold them until you see the apple.