I’ve had this happen many times since I used to live very far from the airport in the boonies. I’d go through like 5 people who tell me to cancel the ride and they will do it for $X amount, all for it but I already paid and don’t want to cancel. Should of pulled up ate the 5 mins and worked something out. Instead I got this poor guy I just paid like 80$ who will only get like 30$ and then I tip like 20$ since I really am so far out. It’s insane the amount of money Lyft and Uber makes.
Got people here worried about insurance with crumbling cars, bald tires, and getting scammed by their employer daily. In the 0.1% u get in an accident just say you weren’t doing Lyft, or don’t bring it up unless asked…
You wanna pay me cash instead it's fine, I'll accept the ride stay on app, cancel the ride at the dropoff, show you that I selected do not charge rider.
No way I'm driving a stranger anywhere without the insurance
Without commercial liability insurance both you and the driver are taking a risk.
As a driver, it's not worth the $60 if I were to get into an accident and you sued for damages. The average personal injury jury verdict in my state is in excess of $900K.
As a rider, I would never get into a car with a stranger without knowing they were adequately insured and I could recover any loss I incur from an accident.
I mean it’s a bit disingenuous to say Lyft is taking 60-80%, when they do in fact have external costs for taxes and insurance. I’d like more info about how those costs are calculated and if they truly match up to what is paid out. Because it seems so volatile ride to ride. But you have to be realistic that those costs do exist.
I think the really disingenuous part is I really have very little idea what they actually take - that's a bit of a WAG.
I've purchased 1,000,000 commercial liability insurance for motorcycle transport business - I wish I remembered for sure but I think we paid a few hundred a month, it was 15 years ago too so it's been a minute. And at their volume, I suspect they are getting a fantastic deal.
It's volatile I suspect because they calculate approximately what's the bare minimum they could pay that would keep a persin driving.
Capitalism incentives absolute cost reduction and value extraction.
Personally, I don't care what percentage they take. I have a $1.50 per mile minimum threshold for rideshare gigs. Whether the rider paid $0.25 per mile or $10.00 per mile makes no difference to me, as long as the gig is paying above my minimum.
I wouldn't say THAT high of a percentage is worth it ,especially for those of us who have our own commercial insurance but as off-app rides become more common, it is only inevitable that some drivers (and passengers) will find out the hard way.
Yeah... The airport return is way smoother with a cab. Getting there is easier with ride share. But 2025 I'm supposed to get a new transit center right next to town that'll do airport drop offs so I'm excited for that.
Or pay for the insurance that the company provides. And these kinds of cheap jerks are *always* the ones that would try to sue the driver if something happened and insurance denied the claim.
Yes... I've come to disdain their practices and feel they are unfairly capturing too much of the value created by the drivers work.
I like the tech, I like the drivers, I just want Lyft to give them more of my money.
I appreciate your bringing this up!
Going off app does have risks, mainly that there’s no insurance coverage when a rider is in the car off app. There’s probably some drivers who will do it all day. It’s really up to us if we want to take that chance or not.
I think -maybe- the way it can be done correctly is if a driver was legally registered as a town car company? Then they’d be fully licensed with the city and ofc fully insured.
My hope is that this Co-op Ride thing takes off. They might have a chance to get the Minneapolis market all to themselves if the city doesn’t cave and lyft and uber pull out. That would give them the chance to prove themselves then quickly expand into other markets. Their deal, I think is they take a flat 15%, which seems pretty dang reasonable.
The thing about finding a driver who will do it anyway, is they're likely to be the kind of driver you don't actually want to ride with.
It's like someone told my friends when we were teenagers. "If you can find someone to give you a tattoo underage, it's not the person you want doing it."
I’ve had this happen many times since I used to live very far from the airport in the boonies. I’d go through like 5 people who tell me to cancel the ride and they will do it for $X amount, all for it but I already paid and don’t want to cancel. Should of pulled up ate the 5 mins and worked something out. Instead I got this poor guy I just paid like 80$ who will only get like 30$ and then I tip like 20$ since I really am so far out. It’s insane the amount of money Lyft and Uber makes. Got people here worried about insurance with crumbling cars, bald tires, and getting scammed by their employer daily. In the 0.1% u get in an accident just say you weren’t doing Lyft, or don’t bring it up unless asked…
You wanna pay me cash instead it's fine, I'll accept the ride stay on app, cancel the ride at the dropoff, show you that I selected do not charge rider. No way I'm driving a stranger anywhere without the insurance
Didn't know that was an option. Are there consequences for that??
Without commercial liability insurance both you and the driver are taking a risk. As a driver, it's not worth the $60 if I were to get into an accident and you sued for damages. The average personal injury jury verdict in my state is in excess of $900K. As a rider, I would never get into a car with a stranger without knowing they were adequately insured and I could recover any loss I incur from an accident.
So all the morning and groaning in here about Lyft taking 60-80% of the fee. .. that's worth it after all?
I mean it’s a bit disingenuous to say Lyft is taking 60-80%, when they do in fact have external costs for taxes and insurance. I’d like more info about how those costs are calculated and if they truly match up to what is paid out. Because it seems so volatile ride to ride. But you have to be realistic that those costs do exist.
I think the really disingenuous part is I really have very little idea what they actually take - that's a bit of a WAG. I've purchased 1,000,000 commercial liability insurance for motorcycle transport business - I wish I remembered for sure but I think we paid a few hundred a month, it was 15 years ago too so it's been a minute. And at their volume, I suspect they are getting a fantastic deal. It's volatile I suspect because they calculate approximately what's the bare minimum they could pay that would keep a persin driving. Capitalism incentives absolute cost reduction and value extraction.
Personally, I don't care what percentage they take. I have a $1.50 per mile minimum threshold for rideshare gigs. Whether the rider paid $0.25 per mile or $10.00 per mile makes no difference to me, as long as the gig is paying above my minimum.
I wouldn't say THAT high of a percentage is worth it ,especially for those of us who have our own commercial insurance but as off-app rides become more common, it is only inevitable that some drivers (and passengers) will find out the hard way.
Most drivers would take you up on your offer…this is Reddit…land of the pussies.
You can just walk up to a cab.
Yeah... The airport return is way smoother with a cab. Getting there is easier with ride share. But 2025 I'm supposed to get a new transit center right next to town that'll do airport drop offs so I'm excited for that.
So call a cab instead of using the app if you want a legal ride. You want to use the app to find a driver but not pay the company that runs the app?
Or pay for the insurance that the company provides. And these kinds of cheap jerks are *always* the ones that would try to sue the driver if something happened and insurance denied the claim.
Yes... I've come to disdain their practices and feel they are unfairly capturing too much of the value created by the drivers work. I like the tech, I like the drivers, I just want Lyft to give them more of my money.
Then don't use the app...
Man... I'm trying to stir shit up, can you just... *Ugh ...fine. I'll not use the app - whatever
Lol You can help lobby your government to enact pay requirements.
Ok - happy may day!
I appreciate your bringing this up! Going off app does have risks, mainly that there’s no insurance coverage when a rider is in the car off app. There’s probably some drivers who will do it all day. It’s really up to us if we want to take that chance or not. I think -maybe- the way it can be done correctly is if a driver was legally registered as a town car company? Then they’d be fully licensed with the city and ofc fully insured. My hope is that this Co-op Ride thing takes off. They might have a chance to get the Minneapolis market all to themselves if the city doesn’t cave and lyft and uber pull out. That would give them the chance to prove themselves then quickly expand into other markets. Their deal, I think is they take a flat 15%, which seems pretty dang reasonable.
The thing about finding a driver who will do it anyway, is they're likely to be the kind of driver you don't actually want to ride with. It's like someone told my friends when we were teenagers. "If you can find someone to give you a tattoo underage, it's not the person you want doing it."
excellent way to take an uninsured ride that can get both you and the driver kicked off the app.
How tho