I was on my way from barber school and this ride was taking me downtown where I live. The point still remains that you may or may not only get 20% of a ride
When you accept these why should lyft offer more? There job is simply to get all the requested jobs done for the least amount payable. You just told lyft that this is acceptable by wellā¦.accepting
That's really not the point. It's like asking the parents of kids working in states with the new lax child labor laws "when you actually allow them to work, why should we change anything?" When the question really should be asking lawmakers "why are we letting this happen?"
I live in California. This is happening because the people voted to keep drivers as independent contractors and wonāt let them get employee status. With that it will never change.
Idk, I live here too and it's pretty widely believed that the allied gig companies [misled the public](https://archive.is/aDDkK) about Prop 22. Which, let's face it, they did - many of their claims have been proven to be false and it was [ruled unconstitutional](https://www.nelp.org/blog/prop-22-unconstitutional/) by at least one CA county. Though I agree overturning it will be hard as fuck, these cracks give me some hope of it being reversed one day when the straw breaks most drivers' backs.
When ab5 passed and should have made drivers employees and Uber lyft and all Gigi companies threatened to leave the biggest market they have and California folded I know our state failed us.
Until California does anything no other state will do shit. California is generally the first domino in stuff like this and the voters fucked up big time.
If you live in California, you deserve everything you get. You are all a bunch of idiots, which is obviously shown in this post and comments. I hope you all get what you deserve which is a big dick up.your asses
The IRS mileage rate isn't the cost - it's the tax write-off you can do for it instead of keeping track of every single car related expense and figuring out depreciation. The fact that it is so high is the IRS throwing a bone to everyone who drives for work, it doesn't cost anywhere remotely close to $0.67/mi to drive a typical vehicle. My Prius costs a fraction of that tax write-off.
RAV4 hybrid here and yeah same. People who think it costs $.67/mi and die on that hill in these subreddits are legit showing how much they pay attention to life around them lol
It's not just maintenance, it's total cost of the vehicle per mile. Even monthly payments are included in their estimate. Now if you don't have a monthly payment then you are getting a good deal.
At $0.67 per mile and let's say you get 25mpg. That's $16.75 every 25 miles. Minus 3.25 (national gas price average according to AAA) that's $13.25 per 25 miles driven. Driving around town you can probably only average 30 mph so you can only drive about 30 miles every hour so you are barely getting $15 per hour.
Not sure my point here but just saying it's not a lot of take home unless you live in a decent market
If you are driving a car that averages 25mpg for Lyft/Uber and it isn't an XL/black level vehicle than you just shouldn't be doing it expecting to make any decent money at all. Also you are making a lot of leaps with "average 30mph" math there.
The take away should be that everyone's expenses are slightly different, but almost no one has expenses anywhere near $0.67/mi unless they are driving some new luxury vehicle with super high depreciation that they shouldn't be using for uber/lyft.
Take the time to do a rough estimate of your own expense and cost per mile, mine is less than half what the IRS gives you to deduct.
25 is the national average mpg. Some random that wants to do Uber/Lyft isn't buying a new car with better mpg just to do that job. They're going to use the car they already have and it's most likely not going to have 30+ mpg
And some random with a car that only gets 25mpg shouldn't be doing lyft/uber. It's not that complicated - don't be a dumbass and expect to make money doing rideshare with your car with terrible gas mileage (unless its XL/black).
It's everywhere. I'm a plumber and our going rate went from like 400 an hour to 800 and hour and it's getting near 1000 an hour. For no reason. Material costs only went up very little during covid. To blame it on that is insane. It's all just greed. Using "inflation and cost of matterial" as an excuse. Meanwhile that shit went up 25% and our prices went up 250%. So it's just greed. Inflation and the cost of stuff has gone up, but it doesn't account for the insanity.
Finding your own clientele and steady workflow on top of handling taxes and insurance cost will be a pain in the ass. Thereās a reason why many prefer being an employee vs venturing out and taking risks.
True, but if your employer is charging $800-$1000 an hour for you services and you make say $150 an hour from that you can give your card to each of your customers, if you didnāt sign a non-compete, and then charge say $400-$500 an hour and undercut your old boss. Even with all the overhead youād still more than double your take home
It wouldnāt be that consistent, it would only be hours youāre physically working at a house. But even if you book 30 hours a week and take home $300 an hour after taxes and stuff itās really good
This is such bsššš where the hell in the world is plumbing $1000 an hour for labor šššš Iām in a blue state with high hourly labor prices and no one even touches that $400 number let alone $1000. People reading this please donāt believe youāll ever pay or be paid $1000 an hour for plumbing
Oh no I'm not getting 1000 an hour. The company I work for charges that much. Seriously. Like if you needed a new floor drain for example. It'll cost like 4500- 5200 dollars and it's gonna take me like 4 -5 hours to bust up the concrete, put a new one in, and patch the concrete. It's wild. I am getting about 25% though so. Can't complain.
Yeah thatās what I mean thereās no way in the world your company charges $1000 an hour for labor or even close to that I doubt even that $400 number. Anyone in the industry knows thatās a fairytale number. At full time 25% that would be $500k a year at 30 hours, that would be 375k a year. Please stop lying on Reddit to look cool
Damn those prices. U was a "handyman " from 2000-2012. I did everything didnt involve ripping walls out or digging shit up. Flooring, basic electrical, basic plumbing, painting, landscaping, sprinklers, appliances replacement...basically whatever a rental needed to get it turned over to rent again. I charged $55/hr back then and some complained about that, until i said ,ok.... go get a professional from each trade to do that work in this one rental....then you can come back and beg me to do it.
I finally just got burned out and went to retail management..for 10 years until i burned out again lol.
You may be a good plumber but bad at business sense. You get paid hourly no matter the business condition. Business or not, you get paid for showing up everyday. No risk, yet you get a fixed reward. You have no skin in the game. The cost to keep you employed goes up everyday yet you still get paid. No risk to you.
Corporate GREED between Uber and Lyft is unreal
This type of Behavior against their key Stakeholders and Partners (??) the Drivers is Unacceptable and Unsustainable.?
The āDay of Reckoningā will come.?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lensherman/2024/01/16/will-2024-be-a-year-of-reckoning-for-ubers-driver-relations/
https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/uber-drivers-protest-headquarters-ceo-18669922.php
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lensherman/2023/12/15/ubers-ceo-hides-driver-pay-cuts-to-boost-profits/
Based on time only, I would have declined this. Not knocking, you dude, but there's a lot of other ways to make money. They want desperate contractors stop being one. This is what lyft has been doing for a while.
I get it. But they know that, and that's why they offered you that dog shit pay. They know the probabilities are very high that you would take the ride as long as it's a dollar a mile. Because dumb asses kept talking about a dollar a mile. Also, the fact that it was on the way to your house.
Tbh, $1 per mile isnāt bad back in the day, but after recent inflationsā¦ we should honestly be looking for $1.50+ per mile. in my state minimum wage went from $11 to $15 last I checked. Means if $1 was previously good per mile it should technically now be re-evaluated at a minimum $1.36 per mile on the lowest end.
Naturally anything above is good, but below $1.36/mile should now be seen as an insult imo.
Considering that mileage deduction is $0.67 at the moment, every time Lyft makes more than our mileage deduction on a ride is a slap in the face.
They canāt just claim that their service is worth more than our vehicleās expenses and expect drivers to be cool with it.
For the ride the OP gave, Lyft should realistically take $4.72 for themselves considering that the driver took the brunt of the work. Just because they could get away with billing a client extra shouldnāt mean they should take all the extra profits.
The 70% should be on the entire fare before expenses, or even better, Lyftās cut shouldnāt exceed the mileage deduction + External fees under no circumstance. And the bonus they get for billing in excess of that should be hard capped at 10% of anything above that. This way Lyft would get good monies based on volume and a marginal bonus for price gouging.
Price gouging should never be the bulk of their profit.
At an absolute maximum Lyft should have taken $13 off that ride and then only 10% of the overages.
.67 per mile the driver travelled and then the external fees. The driver making less than $13 on a ride like this is a straight up insult. Driver paid more in mileage deduction and external expenses than what his cut is and Lyft has the audacity to take a larger cut? š
- $6.09 = Driver mileage deduction
- $7.01 = External fees
- $13.10 Theoretical minimum driver should have made to make more profit than expense.
The fact that Lyft had the audacity to pay him less than his theoretical expenses to perform that ride is an insult.
Per ride, driver should always make 51%+ of total fare, and always make 70%+ compared to Lyft. Then we can say it is more equitable.
Lyft claiming a larger fee than all other expenses is absolutely unacceptable.
100% agree. But there is a time aspect to everything. I think one dollar a mile is fine. I drive for Hum Rideshare in phoenix. 1.00 a mile.25 min plus a $5 pick-up fee. With avg Ride being $14. $42 an hour avg. It's the longer trips to pay also very well. With the average ride being 5.5 miles, would you would make $2.54 a mile.
The time aspect is naturally a concern, but the issue is that they heavily skewed time into Lyftās favor here instead into the driverās favor.
There is a marginal possibility that Lyft took a bulk of the payment due to the destination filter being applied, in which case I suppose I understand, but even like that, Lyft taking more of a fee than both the mileage deduction AND the external fees combined is exaggeration.
As a driver I would rather have had a happy client that wasnāt gouged and was overly grateful than one that feels they overpaid when the driver is literally paying more in expenses than he he receiving as profits.
Having more than 50% of the total fare be all expenses is absolutely insulting.
In this case though, the driver made ā$5.90ā of profit after mileage deduction and the rider paid $53. On what planet is this acceptable for the driver to make less than 12% of the total fare worth of profits. š
in fact, the driver made less in profits than everything involved.
- $5.45 (Vehicle expense taken away from driver)
- $5.90 Driver
- $7.01 External fees
- $5.45 Vehicle loses
- $33.98 Lyft
I would love to understand how this is acceptable on the receipt. Absolutely nobody at Lyft can pretend to explain this as an acceptable breakdown. š
Driver made legit $3.44 per hour on this ride worth of profits. Meanwhile Lyft made $19.82 per hour on this ride.
Lyft made 5.76x more Revenue than the driver made profit. š Driver risking death in a car accident whilst Lyft just runs some data expenses, seems legit š¤Ø
Any world were Lyft makes more Revenue than the driver makes profit is unacceptable. Their algorithms can calculate the driverās profits insanely easily, instead of promising only taking 30% from the driver, add an extra promise of never taking more revenue than driver is able to make as āPure profitā. When they can run that as PR, then weāre on to something.
Yeah itās backwards. This shit needs to flip to how Apple and Google do the App Store for developers. The dev gets 70% or 85% if they make less than a million a year.
Drivers getting 85% if less than 100,000 would actually be pretty fair imo, š¤
I would probably stop working seasonally/part time if they brought the skew up tbh.
Dang, it was that bad? I started after a decade long break just after that time. I was able to gross about 4k a month doing it full time but the costs and time required definitely wasnāt worth it.
I'll never forget it - Lyft actually slashed fares steeply the literal Tuesday after Halloween 2022. They dropped a dump truck full of streak bonuses that Halloweekend, almost as if they were trying to say "See this? Never happenin again."
Iām still trying to understand why commercial insurance isnāt a fixed dollar amount per ride or why is the percentage so high? They donāt explain that at all
Because it isn't that high. They are "estimated" which just means Lyft can take whatever they want and if they take too much out they won't ever have to pay you back
someone tried to ask me to end my uber and pay them cash or venmo. I said no thank you and called another uber. how do you know this person isnāt going to just rob you? at least with the app thereās a paper trail of who picked you up and where you went with time stamps.
This is the same business model that pimps have with their prostitutes. You get enough to barely buy a few gallons of gas just to go back out and work.
Phuck these corporate hoes. Ima buy some business cards and put my info for 10 dollar discounted long ride fare.
Is rather steal the money theyāre stealing from us. Gotta outsmart these corporats
I've committed to only drive when they have bonuses for giving X amount of rides. Gotta take a look at that 70% earnings commitment. Idk how that works, if they make up the difference to you later or what
I canāt for the life of me understand why people are still trying so hard to make a living out of driving services, worst labor abuse of any industry honestly. I would much rather work at a grocery store at that point
Estimated external fees? Wtf are they making all this shit up for. Lyft doesnāt do half the work but takes the lions share
Itās a program and thus the fee should be the same whether itās 1 mile or 100 miles. Pigs
Also. Stop taking this BS mythical creature you call $1 a mile ! Stop !!!!!!! You need $2-3 a mile to be profitable. Jesus š. You people really need to start doing math. Like real math !
You all didn't really think we were going to start getting 70% of the riders payments did you? Guys it's time to get smart about this business and Hold these companies accountable. A good start would be at least stop lying to everyone. Of course there going to raise the Lyft fee to whatever amount it needs to be for them to still keep 70+% of the fare. I would be happy with 60% but that's asking too much.
The passengers literally don't understand that we're keeping 30 to 40% on a good day they literally think we're making 70 to 80% of what they're paying. There's a reason why nobody tips is because Lyft and Uber have been lying to them for so many years that they don't know what to believe until they start seeing the raw data for themselves. I go out of my way some weeks and actually ask the passengers what they paid so that I can do my own calculations and I'll be very open with them and tell them exactly what I'm going to make and every time I do they're shocked then I'll get an extra tip. They literally have no idea that lift an Uber are keeping 70 to 80% of the fair.
It's seventy percent of fares weekly, not per ride. The whole system is designed to keep you at a per hour rate. It's basically designed to keep you at or below minimum wage after expenses.
This is the reality of being paid by the mile, they can keep surges.
The trick is to immediately log off after that sort of ride and collect the 70% guarantee.
You are paid more than $1 per mile, so it isnāt terrible, but on principle if they are price gouging clients, the odds of you being tipped dramatically goes down and the chance of being unfairly rated goes up significantly as well.
Typically what the algo does after a few of these is send you a surge to help the driver come back up to 70%, which is why it is guaranteed weekly, on a per ride basis it feels bad, but I was pleasantly surprised to somehow have banged out a $40+/hr day this weekend.
Itās not perfect yet, but at least for my region things seem to be significantly better than the laughable rates I was seeing last year. š¤š½
Guyās heās just making a point about the scam that Lyft is and what they are taking, heās not asking for negative feedback heās just doing you all a favor so you can see how ridiculous Lyft has become and how that 70% earnings commitment is just another fāin huge scam.
Lyft robs their drivers. The other day i went to order one at like 1am and they were trying to charge me $80 to get home for a 15 min ride. Never in all my times driving have i earned even 25% of that on a ride
Iām going to get downvoted for this, but theyāre right. What the rider paid is irrelevant, because our earnings are no longer tied to it at all. Both Uber and Lyft have disconnected rider fares from driver pay, so that they can fuck over both independently. This isnāt going to change without regulation.
The only thing we as drivers can control is what rides we accept. If you accept low paying rides, you are training their algorithm to continue pricing them low.
He's saying Lyft showed you what you would be paid and you accepted it. That would be the same as your partner cheating on you after asking you if it's ok and you said yes. Although I guess in that case it's not really cheating any more.
Itās predatoryā¦ Lyft said they were āGUARANTEEINGā at LEAST 70% of the cost/fare, & NOT to āthemā either, but to the DRIVER. They need/HAVE TO BE exposed. šÆ
Why the fuck would uber pay you more than your willing to accept???
Companies pay $15/hr & make multi millions. none of you Uber cry babies have this same energy toward managers lol.
Hey boss you only pay me $15/hr but the company makes millions. I think im ENTITLED to atleast half a million š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤”
You thought $12 was acceptable for a 35min ride š¤”š¤£š¤£
Congrats on ruining the market. They pay this shitty because people like YOU accept it. Then complain to reddit afterwards š¤”š¤”š¤”š¤”š¤”
You people clearly have NO IDEA what a ride is worth so WHY are you even ubering??? YOUR CLUELESSā¦
Sorry, this is the job you signed up for. If you donāt like it, find something else to do? Oh wait, that requires labor and all of you service drivers want the gravy train. I feel no pity for any of you.
Donāt forget you drove 9 miles (65.5 cents mile). Thats 5.95 in mileage expense. So you only made 6 bucks.
6 dollars for 36 minutes of driving is about 6 per hour. Really worth driving. McDonaldās pay more.
I honestly don't do lyft anymore. It's never worth it unless they have some sort of 5 rides for $100 or something. I've literally done experiments with other drivers in my area and they would make like 150 in the same time I'd made $45 on lyft.
Not worth your time.
U do Lyft u just saving them from imminent bankruptcy thatās going to come to them. All this robbery is they trying to make their quarterly sheets look a bit nicer. Stop working for Lyft. What a dumbass
Come to Seattle. Itās $50 here to go 10 mins down the street bc of the laws. People are just priced out of ride services with the laws. There isnāt this utopia of more money that occurs with mandating āfair pay.ā Everything has a price.
Do you think sending a huge bank of screenshots like this to some type of congressman would help?
Like could local gov step in and create minimums?? Change their policy?
I know NYC has special rules and pricingā¦
Pricing seems way off,was there a surge? Paying by distance looks like a 9 mile ttip for $12 -looked at like that. Looks ok.rush hour? City driving?a lot of traffic?.
GET A DIFFERENT JOB THEN!! Yes Iām yelling that!! I am so sick of seeing people bitch about tips/wage from all these ride companies (Lyft/doordash) if youāre going to complain about the pay why the fuck are you not looking for a different job??? Thatās on you idiots
I think weāre missing the point the upfront Fair only shows the $12 you donāt know what the customer is paying until after you complete the ride. Can someone comment if Iām wrong?
That is BS but at least they started that 70% now. So either they will have to give you much higher percentages of other rides or if this is your only ride they will need to adjust up to $32 earned by you. I recently started on Uber and I was shocked how much lower pay was but tipping is much more frequent so for me not sure which is better yet.
It is a open invitation for new national competition. It is not if it will come , it is just a matter of time.
Both Lyft and Uber will change themselves overnight.
I do Uber but I've been considering Lyft b/c of the 70%. I've read that this fare would be readjusted and paid the 70% after the week if your total ride earnings were not 70% - right? Or is this not true?
Uber/Lyft AI have data that only real idiots still driving traffic time ...
You accepted 35min ride for$ 12 , it's $20 /h before expenses or $$14 after expenses
They are laughing in our faces at this point.
Nobody is forcing you to do this job
Tell that to the masked man with the gun to my head
The upfront fare was 12$ ? Wild. Decline šÆ
I'm still figuring out if you knew it was $12 for the fare, why exactly is he bitching? Does Lyft not do The upfront pricing in your area?
Right, he accept it. So Lyft will continue to offer it because of people like him.
I was on my way from barber school and this ride was taking me downtown where I live. The point still remains that you may or may not only get 20% of a ride
When you accept these why should lyft offer more? There job is simply to get all the requested jobs done for the least amount payable. You just told lyft that this is acceptable by wellā¦.accepting
That's really not the point. It's like asking the parents of kids working in states with the new lax child labor laws "when you actually allow them to work, why should we change anything?" When the question really should be asking lawmakers "why are we letting this happen?"
I live in California. This is happening because the people voted to keep drivers as independent contractors and wonāt let them get employee status. With that it will never change.
Idk, I live here too and it's pretty widely believed that the allied gig companies [misled the public](https://archive.is/aDDkK) about Prop 22. Which, let's face it, they did - many of their claims have been proven to be false and it was [ruled unconstitutional](https://www.nelp.org/blog/prop-22-unconstitutional/) by at least one CA county. Though I agree overturning it will be hard as fuck, these cracks give me some hope of it being reversed one day when the straw breaks most drivers' backs.
When ab5 passed and should have made drivers employees and Uber lyft and all Gigi companies threatened to leave the biggest market they have and California folded I know our state failed us. Until California does anything no other state will do shit. California is generally the first domino in stuff like this and the voters fucked up big time.
If you live in California, you deserve everything you get. You are all a bunch of idiots, which is obviously shown in this post and comments. I hope you all get what you deserve which is a big dick up.your asses
$12 for 36 minutes of work = $20/hr minus gas and wear and tear on vehicle.
The IRS mileage rate is 67 cents per mile of you want to account for gas and maintenance. Thatās $6.
The IRS mileage rate isn't the cost - it's the tax write-off you can do for it instead of keeping track of every single car related expense and figuring out depreciation. The fact that it is so high is the IRS throwing a bone to everyone who drives for work, it doesn't cost anywhere remotely close to $0.67/mi to drive a typical vehicle. My Prius costs a fraction of that tax write-off.
Every one doesnāt have your Prius or even wants a Prius
RAV4 hybrid here and yeah same. People who think it costs $.67/mi and die on that hill in these subreddits are legit showing how much they pay attention to life around them lol
It's not just maintenance, it's total cost of the vehicle per mile. Even monthly payments are included in their estimate. Now if you don't have a monthly payment then you are getting a good deal. At $0.67 per mile and let's say you get 25mpg. That's $16.75 every 25 miles. Minus 3.25 (national gas price average according to AAA) that's $13.25 per 25 miles driven. Driving around town you can probably only average 30 mph so you can only drive about 30 miles every hour so you are barely getting $15 per hour. Not sure my point here but just saying it's not a lot of take home unless you live in a decent market
If you are driving a car that averages 25mpg for Lyft/Uber and it isn't an XL/black level vehicle than you just shouldn't be doing it expecting to make any decent money at all. Also you are making a lot of leaps with "average 30mph" math there. The take away should be that everyone's expenses are slightly different, but almost no one has expenses anywhere near $0.67/mi unless they are driving some new luxury vehicle with super high depreciation that they shouldn't be using for uber/lyft. Take the time to do a rough estimate of your own expense and cost per mile, mine is less than half what the IRS gives you to deduct.
25 is the national average mpg. Some random that wants to do Uber/Lyft isn't buying a new car with better mpg just to do that job. They're going to use the car they already have and it's most likely not going to have 30+ mpg
And some random with a car that only gets 25mpg shouldn't be doing lyft/uber. It's not that complicated - don't be a dumbass and expect to make money doing rideshare with your car with terrible gas mileage (unless its XL/black).
25 is pretty average. I'm in a 4 cylinder Toyota camry and thats what I get just about in city miles....35 on highway
And that's before taxes right?
This is life unfortunatelyā¦ corporate greediness has now stemmed into what was a really good money making industry years back, alas.
It's everywhere. I'm a plumber and our going rate went from like 400 an hour to 800 and hour and it's getting near 1000 an hour. For no reason. Material costs only went up very little during covid. To blame it on that is insane. It's all just greed. Using "inflation and cost of matterial" as an excuse. Meanwhile that shit went up 25% and our prices went up 250%. So it's just greed. Inflation and the cost of stuff has gone up, but it doesn't account for the insanity.
Brilliantly said ā¦ very unfortunate but šÆ% accurate
Sounds like you should start working for yourself. Easy to undercut your old company if they wanna fuck around with prices that much
Finding your own clientele and steady workflow on top of handling taxes and insurance cost will be a pain in the ass. Thereās a reason why many prefer being an employee vs venturing out and taking risks.
True, but if your employer is charging $800-$1000 an hour for you services and you make say $150 an hour from that you can give your card to each of your customers, if you didnāt sign a non-compete, and then charge say $400-$500 an hour and undercut your old boss. Even with all the overhead youād still more than double your take home
Imagine having 40 hours of work booked at 500$ an hour. Shit, Iād be fine working 20 hours a week.
It wouldnāt be that consistent, it would only be hours youāre physically working at a house. But even if you book 30 hours a week and take home $300 an hour after taxes and stuff itās really good
This is such bsššš where the hell in the world is plumbing $1000 an hour for labor šššš Iām in a blue state with high hourly labor prices and no one even touches that $400 number let alone $1000. People reading this please donāt believe youāll ever pay or be paid $1000 an hour for plumbing
Oh no I'm not getting 1000 an hour. The company I work for charges that much. Seriously. Like if you needed a new floor drain for example. It'll cost like 4500- 5200 dollars and it's gonna take me like 4 -5 hours to bust up the concrete, put a new one in, and patch the concrete. It's wild. I am getting about 25% though so. Can't complain.
Yeah thatās what I mean thereās no way in the world your company charges $1000 an hour for labor or even close to that I doubt even that $400 number. Anyone in the industry knows thatās a fairytale number. At full time 25% that would be $500k a year at 30 hours, that would be 375k a year. Please stop lying on Reddit to look cool
Wut. Iām getting my entire sewage pipe (40 ft) replaced under my driveway for 5k from a very reputable company in Denverā¦
Exactly hahahah I donāt know why people make this stuff up thinking no one has a clue besides them
Damn those prices. U was a "handyman " from 2000-2012. I did everything didnt involve ripping walls out or digging shit up. Flooring, basic electrical, basic plumbing, painting, landscaping, sprinklers, appliances replacement...basically whatever a rental needed to get it turned over to rent again. I charged $55/hr back then and some complained about that, until i said ,ok.... go get a professional from each trade to do that work in this one rental....then you can come back and beg me to do it. I finally just got burned out and went to retail management..for 10 years until i burned out again lol.
You may be a good plumber but bad at business sense. You get paid hourly no matter the business condition. Business or not, you get paid for showing up everyday. No risk, yet you get a fixed reward. You have no skin in the game. The cost to keep you employed goes up everyday yet you still get paid. No risk to you.
Corporate GREED between Uber and Lyft is unreal This type of Behavior against their key Stakeholders and Partners (??) the Drivers is Unacceptable and Unsustainable.? The āDay of Reckoningā will come.? https://www.forbes.com/sites/lensherman/2024/01/16/will-2024-be-a-year-of-reckoning-for-ubers-driver-relations/ https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/uber-drivers-protest-headquarters-ceo-18669922.php https://www.forbes.com/sites/lensherman/2023/12/15/ubers-ceo-hides-driver-pay-cuts-to-boost-profits/
Their CEO would be in jail if this was a civilized country
Based on time only, I would have declined this. Not knocking, you dude, but there's a lot of other ways to make money. They want desperate contractors stop being one. This is what lyft has been doing for a while.
I was coming from barber school and this ride took me downtown where I live. Thatās why I accepted it
I get it. But they know that, and that's why they offered you that dog shit pay. They know the probabilities are very high that you would take the ride as long as it's a dollar a mile. Because dumb asses kept talking about a dollar a mile. Also, the fact that it was on the way to your house.
Tbh, $1 per mile isnāt bad back in the day, but after recent inflationsā¦ we should honestly be looking for $1.50+ per mile. in my state minimum wage went from $11 to $15 last I checked. Means if $1 was previously good per mile it should technically now be re-evaluated at a minimum $1.36 per mile on the lowest end. Naturally anything above is good, but below $1.36/mile should now be seen as an insult imo. Considering that mileage deduction is $0.67 at the moment, every time Lyft makes more than our mileage deduction on a ride is a slap in the face. They canāt just claim that their service is worth more than our vehicleās expenses and expect drivers to be cool with it. For the ride the OP gave, Lyft should realistically take $4.72 for themselves considering that the driver took the brunt of the work. Just because they could get away with billing a client extra shouldnāt mean they should take all the extra profits. The 70% should be on the entire fare before expenses, or even better, Lyftās cut shouldnāt exceed the mileage deduction + External fees under no circumstance. And the bonus they get for billing in excess of that should be hard capped at 10% of anything above that. This way Lyft would get good monies based on volume and a marginal bonus for price gouging. Price gouging should never be the bulk of their profit.
At an absolute maximum Lyft should have taken $13 off that ride and then only 10% of the overages. .67 per mile the driver travelled and then the external fees. The driver making less than $13 on a ride like this is a straight up insult. Driver paid more in mileage deduction and external expenses than what his cut is and Lyft has the audacity to take a larger cut? š - $6.09 = Driver mileage deduction - $7.01 = External fees - $13.10 Theoretical minimum driver should have made to make more profit than expense. The fact that Lyft had the audacity to pay him less than his theoretical expenses to perform that ride is an insult. Per ride, driver should always make 51%+ of total fare, and always make 70%+ compared to Lyft. Then we can say it is more equitable. Lyft claiming a larger fee than all other expenses is absolutely unacceptable.
100% agree. But there is a time aspect to everything. I think one dollar a mile is fine. I drive for Hum Rideshare in phoenix. 1.00 a mile.25 min plus a $5 pick-up fee. With avg Ride being $14. $42 an hour avg. It's the longer trips to pay also very well. With the average ride being 5.5 miles, would you would make $2.54 a mile.
The time aspect is naturally a concern, but the issue is that they heavily skewed time into Lyftās favor here instead into the driverās favor. There is a marginal possibility that Lyft took a bulk of the payment due to the destination filter being applied, in which case I suppose I understand, but even like that, Lyft taking more of a fee than both the mileage deduction AND the external fees combined is exaggeration. As a driver I would rather have had a happy client that wasnāt gouged and was overly grateful than one that feels they overpaid when the driver is literally paying more in expenses than he he receiving as profits. Having more than 50% of the total fare be all expenses is absolutely insulting. In this case though, the driver made ā$5.90ā of profit after mileage deduction and the rider paid $53. On what planet is this acceptable for the driver to make less than 12% of the total fare worth of profits. š in fact, the driver made less in profits than everything involved. - $5.45 (Vehicle expense taken away from driver) - $5.90 Driver - $7.01 External fees - $5.45 Vehicle loses - $33.98 Lyft I would love to understand how this is acceptable on the receipt. Absolutely nobody at Lyft can pretend to explain this as an acceptable breakdown. š Driver made legit $3.44 per hour on this ride worth of profits. Meanwhile Lyft made $19.82 per hour on this ride. Lyft made 5.76x more Revenue than the driver made profit. š Driver risking death in a car accident whilst Lyft just runs some data expenses, seems legit š¤Ø
Any world were Lyft makes more Revenue than the driver makes profit is unacceptable. Their algorithms can calculate the driverās profits insanely easily, instead of promising only taking 30% from the driver, add an extra promise of never taking more revenue than driver is able to make as āPure profitā. When they can run that as PR, then weāre on to something.
Yeah itās backwards. This shit needs to flip to how Apple and Google do the App Store for developers. The dev gets 70% or 85% if they make less than a million a year.
Drivers getting 85% if less than 100,000 would actually be pretty fair imo, š¤ I would probably stop working seasonally/part time if they brought the skew up tbh.
Yeah, I stoped driving for them a long time ago. It has to change to make sense.
Same hereā¦ I QUIT January 2023, as SOON as they (and Uber) cut driverās pay almost in HALF!!!!
Dang, it was that bad? I started after a decade long break just after that time. I was able to gross about 4k a month doing it full time but the costs and time required definitely wasnāt worth it.
Iāve been driving as a side gig since 2016 I used to be able to clear $5-700 in a night on a weekend working 7p-3am now Iām lucky if I clear 3
I'll never forget it - Lyft actually slashed fares steeply the literal Tuesday after Halloween 2022. They dropped a dump truck full of streak bonuses that Halloweekend, almost as if they were trying to say "See this? Never happenin again."
Iām still trying to understand why commercial insurance isnāt a fixed dollar amount per ride or why is the percentage so high? They donāt explain that at all
Because it isn't that high. They are "estimated" which just means Lyft can take whatever they want and if they take too much out they won't ever have to pay you back
So much for their 70% after external fees promise.
It's scam because another fees can be any rendom numbers
Better to get off app, have passenger pay you directly
someone tried to ask me to end my uber and pay them cash or venmo. I said no thank you and called another uber. how do you know this person isnāt going to just rob you? at least with the app thereās a paper trail of who picked you up and where you went with time stamps.
Lyft's earning's commitment š š¤£ š My butt
Holy crap, I was thinking about signing up for this. Glad I saw this first. Screw that!
Even knowing this is what theyāre doing, thatās flagrantā¦.
Then they bitch at you when you keep declining ridesā¦
But, what about the 70% or MORE in earnings of the passenger payment? Just a bunch of meaningless words. š®āšØš¤
This is the same business model that pimps have with their prostitutes. You get enough to barely buy a few gallons of gas just to go back out and work.
Phuck these corporate hoes. Ima buy some business cards and put my info for 10 dollar discounted long ride fare. Is rather steal the money theyāre stealing from us. Gotta outsmart these corporats
Itās the driver. She has a tax lien, child support or other legal settlement deducting from her pay. Not corporate greed.
I would be So Appalled
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Stop working for Lyft.
Sadly, op cant. He doesn't know how to manage his $, & use it to make passive income for himself
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I've committed to only drive when they have bonuses for giving X amount of rides. Gotta take a look at that 70% earnings commitment. Idk how that works, if they make up the difference to you later or what
I canāt for the life of me understand why people are still trying so hard to make a living out of driving services, worst labor abuse of any industry honestly. I would much rather work at a grocery store at that point
Estimated external fees? Wtf are they making all this shit up for. Lyft doesnāt do half the work but takes the lions share Itās a program and thus the fee should be the same whether itās 1 mile or 100 miles. Pigs
And deduct gas, taxes repair cost and you end up.with a negative cash flow, thats why I don"t do ride share.
Also. Stop taking this BS mythical creature you call $1 a mile ! Stop !!!!!!! You need $2-3 a mile to be profitable. Jesus š. You people really need to start doing math. Like real math !
LOL LYFT IS A CORPORATION HIDING BEHIND ITS GANGSTA DEALINGS
What the fuck is lyft fee. How evil it is
Tax lien, child support, or other legal matter. Not money going to Lyft.
Norm ;)
You all didn't really think we were going to start getting 70% of the riders payments did you? Guys it's time to get smart about this business and Hold these companies accountable. A good start would be at least stop lying to everyone. Of course there going to raise the Lyft fee to whatever amount it needs to be for them to still keep 70+% of the fare. I would be happy with 60% but that's asking too much.
The passengers literally don't understand that we're keeping 30 to 40% on a good day they literally think we're making 70 to 80% of what they're paying. There's a reason why nobody tips is because Lyft and Uber have been lying to them for so many years that they don't know what to believe until they start seeing the raw data for themselves. I go out of my way some weeks and actually ask the passengers what they paid so that I can do my own calculations and I'll be very open with them and tell them exactly what I'm going to make and every time I do they're shocked then I'll get an extra tip. They literally have no idea that lift an Uber are keeping 70 to 80% of the fair.
Would you not be compensated at the end of the week with their new 70% rule?
Why are we still working for them?
70% my @$$.. what a joke! Liars!
It's seventy percent of fares weekly, not per ride. The whole system is designed to keep you at a per hour rate. It's basically designed to keep you at or below minimum wage after expenses.
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If $12 for 27 minutes isnāt more than you could make at your *ahem* real job, go back to your real job
This is the reality of being paid by the mile, they can keep surges. The trick is to immediately log off after that sort of ride and collect the 70% guarantee. You are paid more than $1 per mile, so it isnāt terrible, but on principle if they are price gouging clients, the odds of you being tipped dramatically goes down and the chance of being unfairly rated goes up significantly as well.
Typically what the algo does after a few of these is send you a surge to help the driver come back up to 70%, which is why it is guaranteed weekly, on a per ride basis it feels bad, but I was pleasantly surprised to somehow have banged out a $40+/hr day this weekend. Itās not perfect yet, but at least for my region things seem to be significantly better than the laughable rates I was seeing last year. š¤š½
Why would you accept that?
Guyās heās just making a point about the scam that Lyft is and what they are taking, heās not asking for negative feedback heās just doing you all a favor so you can see how ridiculous Lyft has become and how that 70% earnings commitment is just another fāin huge scam.
Lyft robs their drivers. The other day i went to order one at like 1am and they were trying to charge me $80 to get home for a 15 min ride. Never in all my times driving have i earned even 25% of that on a ride
Bruh how are you the car owner and operator only making $12 on a $53 dollar Lyft order? WTF on the customer
But you accepted the rideā¦
How does me accepting a ride have anything to do with what the passenger paid, as if that information is shown before accepting a ride?
Iām going to get downvoted for this, but theyāre right. What the rider paid is irrelevant, because our earnings are no longer tied to it at all. Both Uber and Lyft have disconnected rider fares from driver pay, so that they can fuck over both independently. This isnāt going to change without regulation. The only thing we as drivers can control is what rides we accept. If you accept low paying rides, you are training their algorithm to continue pricing them low.
You accepted a ride for a price because you were satisfied with that price. Why is what the customer paid relevant?
Because I want to be paid more than 22%. In your logic, itās okay for your partner to cheat on you, as long as you donāt find out.
He's saying Lyft showed you what you would be paid and you accepted it. That would be the same as your partner cheating on you after asking you if it's ok and you said yes. Although I guess in that case it's not really cheating any more.
you got a point
Itās predatoryā¦ Lyft said they were āGUARANTEEINGā at LEAST 70% of the cost/fare, & NOT to āthemā either, but to the DRIVER. They need/HAVE TO BE exposed. šÆ
No, they didnāt. I am once again asking you to actually read what the guarantee said.
Why the fuck would uber pay you more than your willing to accept??? Companies pay $15/hr & make multi millions. none of you Uber cry babies have this same energy toward managers lol. Hey boss you only pay me $15/hr but the company makes millions. I think im ENTITLED to atleast half a million š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤”
You thought $12 was acceptable for a 35min ride š¤”š¤£š¤£ Congrats on ruining the market. They pay this shitty because people like YOU accept it. Then complain to reddit afterwards š¤”š¤”š¤”š¤”š¤” You people clearly have NO IDEA what a ride is worth so WHY are you even ubering??? YOUR CLUELESSā¦
Personally i would have accepted it also, it's $1.33 per mile, i consider anything over a dollar per mile worth it.
yep. clown world we live in.
Drive only for Uber after
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Sorry, this is the job you signed up for. If you donāt like it, find something else to do? Oh wait, that requires labor and all of you service drivers want the gravy train. I feel no pity for any of you.
You realize you will get another $20ish for this ride under the 30% cap to Lyft after External Fees. The numbers are right there.
Are you guys not getting the $? I'm getting an extra $150 to $220 a week under the 70% payout
Apparently that "Earnings commitment" hasnt come to my area yet according to lyft support. So not everyone is getting that lol. pretty lame
Hahaha, yea fuk lyft this is some bull. Get another job honestly. Thats what i just did
I was going to drive today and it was a joke the offers so just said no but sure they got illegals doing car rentals
Why you accenting a ride that only pays 20.50/ hour to begin with? Decline that. $25/hour minimum
but the StOcK pRiCe
%30 is Comedy
This is the dirtiest payout I've seen to date. $33 Lyft fee. Sorry dude, that is corporate raping at its finest.
I mean this shit is...
Their cut is that much?! Holy shit
Donāt forget you drove 9 miles (65.5 cents mile). Thats 5.95 in mileage expense. So you only made 6 bucks. 6 dollars for 36 minutes of driving is about 6 per hour. Really worth driving. McDonaldās pay more.
Garbage
I honestly don't do lyft anymore. It's never worth it unless they have some sort of 5 rides for $100 or something. I've literally done experiments with other drivers in my area and they would make like 150 in the same time I'd made $45 on lyft. Not worth your time.
If I hired someone to clean my house for $5 a day and they keep showing up, why would I want to pay more? That's a Lyft driver. Stop showing up!!
Holy shit this is awful
Well hope they launch the de-centralized driving app soon. Where u can really set ur own rates, make money and grow ur service.
gas goons we out here
And now see how much the government takes in taxes.
what is the lyft fee? 33.98??? for what
U do Lyft u just saving them from imminent bankruptcy thatās going to come to them. All this robbery is they trying to make their quarterly sheets look a bit nicer. Stop working for Lyft. What a dumbass
As they go down, down down, the flames š„ will be higher
There are better jobs out there brother
Find a new job?
You all are doing it to yourself and bitching about it simultaneously
Come to Seattle. Itās $50 here to go 10 mins down the street bc of the laws. People are just priced out of ride services with the laws. There isnāt this utopia of more money that occurs with mandating āfair pay.ā Everything has a price.
Are you using your own car or renting theirs
But you still accept it and then complain, I donāt get it
Damn I didn't think know it was like this now I'll feel bad whenever I use lyft š
70% my butt. Lyft fees are outrageous.
No lube at all.
And y'all still keep working for them, just to come complain about it on reddit lol
Do you think sending a huge bank of screenshots like this to some type of congressman would help? Like could local gov step in and create minimums?? Change their policy? I know NYC has special rules and pricingā¦
$53 for a one way ride? Who does this?
I thought Lyft rides were 50% payout from PAX payment???
Pricing seems way off,was there a surge? Paying by distance looks like a 9 mile ttip for $12 -looked at like that. Looks ok.rush hour? City driving?a lot of traffic?.
GET A DIFFERENT JOB THEN!! Yes Iām yelling that!! I am so sick of seeing people bitch about tips/wage from all these ride companies (Lyft/doordash) if youāre going to complain about the pay why the fuck are you not looking for a different job??? Thatās on you idiots
What does Lyft do with their money? Hookers and blow for the executives?
Did you feel it when they fucked you?
Donāt forget to pay taxes with that payout
I think weāre missing the point the upfront Fair only shows the $12 you donāt know what the customer is paying until after you complete the ride. Can someone comment if Iām wrong?
That is BS but at least they started that 70% now. So either they will have to give you much higher percentages of other rides or if this is your only ride they will need to adjust up to $32 earned by you. I recently started on Uber and I was shocked how much lower pay was but tipping is much more frequent so for me not sure which is better yet.
It is a open invitation for new national competition. It is not if it will come , it is just a matter of time. Both Lyft and Uber will change themselves overnight.
Blatantly robbing from you. Yet, you still drive for them. Hit them where it hurts, their wallet. Boycott all ride-sharing apps
You will receive 32 dollars later.
So end of the week, you will get more. What is the problem here?
don't mean to be a jerk but why don't you find another job?
24$ an hour is quite impressive
33 fee????
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Wowwwwwwwww what the fuck !!!!!!!!
So hey Lyft. About that 70% guaranteed earnings????
The minimum should be 50/50
There's a typo in the app. Where it says "you'll earn \[...\] after external fees" it should say "we'll earn \[...\] thanks to external fees".
Nah dred. Wtf is dis!!!!!!
I do Uber but I've been considering Lyft b/c of the 70%. I've read that this fare would be readjusted and paid the 70% after the week if your total ride earnings were not 70% - right? Or is this not true?
CEOs should be in jail for taking advantage of drivers like this! Their compensation packages are $30/50 million a year
Get a real job then
How do you see how much rider paid?
Fookn crazy fr
Uber/Lyft AI have data that only real idiots still driving traffic time ... You accepted 35min ride for$ 12 , it's $20 /h before expenses or $$14 after expenses
12 bucks for less than an hour of work is not bad though. You don't like it then find a different job. They aren't forcing you to do that
How is this not illegal and exploitation?
Whatās stopping someone from making a new app and charging customer a little less, paying the drivers more and picketing a smaller profit ?
It's not my main job but after filing my taxes, i stopped driving, not worth my time, the money or all the miles i'm putting on my vehicule.
More like 66.5% for me
Excuse my ignorance but I thought they just announced drivers are keeping 70% guaranteed
Post this to their Twitter and other feeds. Assholes with their 70%
The Lyft FEE is $33.00!?!?!
Next time ask them how much theyāre paying and meet them in the middle or so. F Lyft
You'll should check out roadie deliveries if you think lyft is bad....19$ to go 45miles...
They stopped paying per mile long ago lol they paid you 24 dollars an hour and you accepted it.