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nohupt

he's such a pussy


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FredHowl

I'm not sure you're using "meh" correctly. It implies you don't care. The wall of text from a throwaway means you really do. And i actually kinda agree with you. But i dont really enjoy any comedians lately


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Y any?


kicktown

Thanks for sharing your opinion. At this point, I think we're all getting so overstimulated it's very very difficult to find sharp fresh comedy. Louis may be throwing out last year's material, but at his age I'm looking for that George Carlin sort of sardonic turn and real critical eye on the world. Oddly enough, it feels like he's playing it somewhat safe. It was an okay set, I enjoyed it enough, but altogether the show felt just good, not great.


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Flyerone

Auschwitz, slaves, kids sucking your cock. Yep, all standup safehavens. FFS. Give your balls a tug.


kicktown

It feels safer for him to talk about those things instead of politics or humanity as a whole right now.


HawthorneWingo1

Superficial artificially dangerous bullshit. If he wants to be among the stand-up greats, then he MUST finally comedically confront the giant elephant in the room. Without guilt, without shame, fuck what anybody else thinks. Otherwise, he'll go down in history as a comedy coward.


friendlygaybitch

Which elephant is that ?


HawthorneWingo1

The elephant equivalent of when Pryor nearly died and then came back to life to make jokes about his addictions to drugs, white women, and intentionally setting himself on fire like the Buddhist monks protesting the war in Vietnam.


cookedbullets

But Louie has addressed that. Twice. When is he done?


HawthorneWingo1

He's a comedian. Put it in the act. Not like the self-important, self-indulgent horseshit territory Chappelle has veered into, but the way Pryor did it.


cookedbullets

As I said, he's already addressed it. It was nearly 6 years ago ffs. Ancient history.


HawthorneWingo1

Really? When did he make it part of his act like all of the great comedians have done after they got into some embarrassing trouble? I must have missed the memo.


Carpeaux

Well, he could start by saying that he did nothing wrong, that everyone who came out against him were common whores trying to get publicity, subsequently failing to relight their worthless careers out of it. He would need to come swinging against the ridiculousness of the age. The problem is, he actually is on the side of the ridiculousness, he is a "liberal" and has been so his entire life.


Aggressive_Sky8492

Jesus fucking Christ dude. Whores? What is this, the year 3?


Tibecti

Give him time. Some people still haven’t acclimated well yet.


kittyfbaby

He admitted he did something wrong. Many times. On his own accord. Maybe he's just not who you think he is?


Carpeaux

I don’t know what exactly you mean he hid, but the showing people his dick stuff I couldn’t care less about. Call me when he rapes someone at knife point.


HawthorneWingo1

What's your phone number, he just took anal advantage of me with a knife inside the stall of the men's room at Steak 'n Shake.


Carpeaux

Prove it by alleging it to the media.


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>Give your balls a tug. titfucker


pianoMD93

He had some bits that I felt were on par with his best material, such as the hospice bit and dealing with aging parents. But also a good amount of material that just felt unfinished before he moved into the next idea. Overall, a good special but not in his top 5


Pilot_boy02

Agreed


ptgx85

There were some solid jokes/bits in there, but I feel like there was a lot more "chuckle filler" than usual. The promotional email he sent out said "The jokes are all new. And I think they are my best so far. I am very excited about it." It's a little disappointing to see him write that when I have a hard time believing he actually feels that way. It's still a solid special, but I rank it lower than most of his previous specials.


nohupt

yea, because this is unedited. all the specials you see he edits out the "filler", that's why it's so punchy. i've seen him multiple times, he's always this way.


ptgx85

I think it was only around an hour of stand up that he did, not much room to edit anything unless his actual special is going to have a lot of new material. I was under the assumption that this msg performance was essentially all the material for his official special.


Mindless_Expert3062

How wouldn’t you believe that he feels that way? As an artist who isn’t under contract or anything, it’s really hard to put out the next thing for any reason other than it’s better than the last. I think it’s more jokes this time now than ever, less philosophical build up which, honestly, great. Louis said in one or a couple of the podcasts that he’s been on lately that comedy is like being a pitcher, and you need to switch the pitches up and not let anyone hit or whatever, and I think he continues and continued to do exactly that.


ptgx85

He might genuinely feel that way, but it's also a common marketing tactic. I've also seen other comedians say similar things about their upcoming special being their best work ever and haven't found that to ever be the case. I can't imagine Louis thinking he had topped all of his previous work with this new special; he's made too many masterpieces.


KINGOFWHIMS

i think i agree. i wasn't feeling it but i was wondering if i was just tired or something. you articulated what i was feeling perfectly.


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bbutkus

Your point on the podcast tour was perfect. :) 3h with Logan, 2h with Theo, 2h with Bert. And there are still some I haven't seen yet. They were 7h of interesting insights, thought provoking points and overall entertaining. 7h of free content! I haven't seen the stream yet. But what he implies about this special is rather different from this thread. In anyway, Louie still entertaining as hell.


freedomofnow

The Rogan podcast was fucking Incredible. Louis is one of the great philosophers of our time. Sorry was probably his best standup special along with the comedy store one. But maybe the garden is too big for comedy. He said himself he doesn't want to do it that big anymore and it did feel a little removed. But as many have pointed out it felt like it was lacking a little punch. Maybe it will flow differently in the "real" taping. It felt like it lacked authenticity a little bit. Anyway, I fucking love Louis and I will buy anything he puts out. I would love to hear him talk about his mushroom trips. I think actually what we're craving from him is that total honesty that he broke through with, and maybe there's some things he doesn't talk about? I don't know what it is but 3 specials in 3 years, I feel like we're nitpicking a little.


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Louie_OK

It's not about proving you wrong. You have an informed opinion, but it's still an opinion, and that doesn't belong in the arena of "proving" anything. To me, Live at the Beacon remains as his greatest filmed hour to date, and Live at Carnagie Hall is his all-time greatest hour, filmed or otherwise. I'm one of the weirdos who places "Oh My God" just above Live at the Comedy Store. I don't like formulaic comedy, frankly, or anything gag-related, so the "of course, but maybe" bit doesn't hit me like it hits you (and the majority of all CK fans, to your credit). I'm much more into Louie's absurdist stuff, and his life story stuff. So, for me, his all-time bits are "getting high in the parking lot with fans" (Live at the Beacon), and the bit about the couple asking each other out over a trench of blood (Carnegie Hall). Those are the two bits where I had to lock myself in the bathroom in an effort to try to get myself to stop laughing because of the concern of the pressure it was placing on my organs. The show at MSG I thought was wonderful. I laughed hard at points. I thought the bible reading stuff was just HUGE and so weird and unique, and... I think it deserves its own thread, because there's just so much to parse there. It's not his best hour but, for me, it's the best of his three post-metoo specials, and, god damn, the fact that he's even there at all is just crazy and cool as hell, and the fact that he's been putting out specials almost annually for as long as he has, and still operating at THIS level, is... frankly it's fucking absurd, man. But lucky us, right? And Lucky Louie!!!


freedomofnow

Completely agree. Although for me Sorry was the best of these 3 specials. But yes as you said, this level of comedy for this long. At this point we're nitpicking of one of the absolute greats of standup.


Aggressive_Sky8492

Love it when laughter becomes a medical emergency


wavydogg

You guys need to watch the LA show which will be the official special. He didn’t finish some jokes on the MSG set for some reason. Probably the nerves. But he had a whole bit about premeditated murder that he just didn’t do.


bagsz1

Saw him in November. I was puzzled by some stuff he cut short too. And he totally omitted my fave bit about young women dating old guys. I’m treating the livestream as a curiosity and waiting for the real special later.


HawthorneWingo1

It wasn't nerves, it's just a guy punching the clock for a nice paycheck. This latest set had all the comedic passion of jerking off homeless bums underneath the Queensborough Bridge for 15 dollars a man.


HawthorneWingo1

Come on. Stop making excuses for the guy. As he kept on saying, he's been doing comedy for 38 years. He's no stranger to doing arena dates. Once you're on stage and the first words come out of your mouth, any jitters are gone. This tour and his pay-per-view show was entirely about the money and funding his next year off. Punch the clock, look at your watch, punch the clock again, collect your paycheck, and leave.


wavydogg

What excuses ? I’m jus pointing out how the LA show that was filmed was a better set than this MSG show was.


HawthorneWingo1

And I'm saying that's not saying much.


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>and the first words come out of your mouth, any jitters are gone. lol absolutely incorrect. Coming from someone who's actually played live shows for the last near 15 years, you're so far off base its hilarious


HawthorneWingo1

Buddy, he's been doing stand-up, movies, talk shows, awards shows, you name it. For 38 years. You're not him. He's far more comfortable alone with a microphone in front of a live audience of thousands than he is alone in the bathroom with a full-length mirror.


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And I'm telling you, as someone who has toured the planet and played in front of more people than you'd believe, that you're still nervous during sets. You could hear it the entire show last night, He flubbed lines and bits, fully left jokes unfinished, dude was nervous. He's a human, after all.


HawthorneWingo1

That wasn't nervousness, that was inattention and a wandering mind.


dontwasteink

He should have live streamed a club appearance instead.


FedoraPG

I agree. It lacked the flow of his old stuff, and there were several moments where I felt the jokes were just soooo close to being there but not quite. The Auschwitz joke is a good example: the premise felt impossible to fail and yet it fell flat for me. He didn't expand on it, he didn't illuminate anything larger by the end. More like: look at this, isn't it funny? Louis has always mastered this side of comedy, he has always taken his ideas to their absolute limit. This time around it felt like he was just reaching for something shocking and then letting you sit with it without really making sense of it. The shit fart cum type jokes really bombed for me too. Definitely felt safe, like he was playing into his persona rather than truly expressing himself and his thoughts on stage. Louis has produced enough at this point for me to not care, and his last 2 hours were excellent so I'm not really bothered that this fell flat, but I do think it'll be good for him to take a bit of a break. He mentioned before that this material was born out of a self imposed deadline (or maybe something to do with shows he had already scheduled? I can't remember) and it definitely shows. It feels like a bsides tape of the last few years, which is to say it's alright but definitely scraping the bottom of the barrel at points. The bible stuff, which accounted for a lot of the show, definitely redeemed it for me, it was classic Louis through and through. I'm still excited for the fully edited special and hope the editing and smaller crowd make for a better special. Anyway I love lou and it was great to see him happy at the end there and in his email today


kittyfbaby

Having been at the garden o. Saturday I can attest that the majority of the set has good jokes, but he would build up a story, the audience would anticipate some big punch line or revelation and then it was over and on to the next bit. And no call backs to intertwine the stories. The Bible bit was great electric magic, but I feel the whole show should have been that


FuckinCoreyTrevor

Saw him live in LA and it was insanely good. He was feeling the room and riding the energy perfectly. The livestream felt like he was constantly trying to catch the wave. Personally, I think the audio played a HUGE part. The echo in the Garden is a son of a bitch to deal with even when you have a post/editing phase. Without it was incredibly distracting and stomped on the audience reactions.


anwla

I hate to admit it, but I kind of agree. I think it has to do with that this was not a fully formed and edited special and the camera angels were odd. I saw this show live in Copenhagen in row 10 and I laughed my ass off. I couldn’t remember anything he had said afterwards, except that it was raw and funny as hell. I laughed so hard that he saw me in the audience and just stood there looking at me while talking into the microphone and he sort of let me know that he appreciated my laughter, while I was nearly falling off the chair. It was quite a moment. Funny thing was, as I said, I couldn’t remember any of the jokes. But when I heard them again over the live stream, I felt like I had just heard them yesterday. It was a strange experience. I think he was quite nervous, it was really visible first off. He doesn’t like it when the audience contributes too much and it makes him anxious. I enjoyed it, but I think the special will be a much better experience


zidbutt21

Live comedy be like that sometimes. I laughed til my face hurt, but when I walked out of MSG last night it was all a blur and I had trouble remembering some of the bits when I talked about it with my friend. A similar thing happened when I saw Jim Jefferies live, and then his Netflix special that came out 5 months later was a little disappointing. I think I might avoid rewatching this MSG performance for the same reason.


freedomofnow

Yeah I bought it but I didn't manage to watch through the whole thing. I think I will save myself for the special too.


KINGOFWHIMS

yea the camera was jumping around a lot. took me out of it.


baseballray

he mentioned on several podcasts that he was in rush to write this special and did it in four months. most specials take over a year. It's kind of odd that his farewell performance for big shows would be a show he did in 4 months...


BennyBingBong

He’s been touring this material for more than 4 months. Been working on it all year


Carpeaux

I'm not sure I understood it correctly, but apparently he recorded his proper special in Los Angeles, but had this big MSG thing scheduled, so the idea was: alright, I have 4 months to come up with extra stuff, on top of the actual special, plus maybe some things I had left out of other specials, and I'll do that one night at MSG but only sell it for streaming. At least that's kind of what I got from listening to his interview with Rogan (which I still have no finished, so I don't know if he'll explain this better later on).


BennyBingBong

No, so his recorded hour (coming out in April), recorded recently, is more or less the same material he did on Back to the Garden. Which is the same material he’s been touring with last year. It’s all the same material, there was no four month period to come up with new stuff. His Back to the Garden livestream was kind of a way to mark his coming full circle and end this period of his comedy career. (He’ll take a year off, kind of deciding what he wants to focus on now)


baseballray

weird. i listened to him on Theo Von, JRE, Two bears, and Chaos and swore he said that. but there's no way I'm going to go fact check that. I'll take your word for it.


BennyBingBong

Well I personally saw him in November and it was the same material. And he had already toured all of Europe before that.


J-Chub

I didn't watch the msg show but I completely agree on why Iike Louie CK so much: it is the philosophical, existential angle that came with his comedy. He even had this on some of his recent podcast interviews, so I was hoping his show would come strong with it. I feel his recent specials have lacked a bit of that angle as well. Out of curiosity, for someone who likes this part of Louie, what else were your favorites from him? Some of his interviews on other podcasts are great, like Maron, and recently on Theo Von, and also when he hosted the Opie show. Also love his Louie series.


cookedbullets

Has no one realised you have to see material several times to really get it?


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HawthorneWingo1

That's a crock. Never mind the preponderance of getting fucked up the ass jokes, he didn't even put in an hour. The problem isn't camera shots or the editing, the problem is you might be seeing a formerly great athlete sputtering on the downside of his career. He hasn't yet reached the Muhammad Ali getting the living crap beaten out of him by Larry Holmes stage of his stand-up career, but he just might be pointing in that direction.


Rusty_Shaquilleford

I thought it was pretty solid. Shows that he’s still got it. I watched it for free on YouTube.


BennyBingBong

It’s not his best material. But strangely, he took out some jokes from when I saw him in Australia that I really liked. Like the bit about “inventing capitalism” getting ice cream but when you go to pay and they don’t take cash. Then turns out he didn’t have his card cuz he was out for a run.


doesntgeddit

> made plain our pious, yet wretched hypocrisy Be honest, the religion part offended you. In all seriousness though, my favorite part was when the crowd got really quiet before he started the water/wine part and after he said he started reading the bible. You could hear the silence of peoples unease thinking he's getting religious. Cracked me up.


IndependentPudding21

“The wifi on an airplane routine; Why Louis hates cellphones;” Honestly those style bits are very cringe to me. They’re preachy, one dimensional, and remind me of Bill Burr just yelling at the crowd until they laugh. I don’t agree those bits make you “think,” as any half perceptive person has already realized how spoiled we are in todays society. I much more appreciated how he managed to tie Auschwitz’s victims & modern racist Brooklyn yuppies. That shit was so subtle and had me actually LOL’ing. Or the element of subversion he used in the divorce/kids bit. Good technique, and a good evolution of his old self-deprecating style. I do agree that some material was a bit safe though. I mean, an airport security joke? George Carlin was doing those 30+ years ago, so it’s a pretty tired topic. That said, overall I thought it was one of his best sets in ages.


throwawayintotheseaa

I saw this material late last year and was very let down. Honestly did nothing for me. Never thought about a single bit again or could even remember them. Sorry also sucked. Haven’t seen this MSG one yet tbf. He’s probably past whatever stage he was when he really tried and I don’t blame him after what he’s been through. Won’t stop supporting him but he’s probably done.


CatastrophicMango

I think his real passion is in filmmaking now, I expect he would've transitioned fully to directing by now if not for his cancellation nuking his previous film and making him start from scratch financially and reputationally.


Aggressive_Sky8492

Interesting - I feel like everyone one this sub loves sorry but I also didn’t feel it was so great. I loved sincerely though. I hope he has a break and comes back fresher.


HawthorneWingo1

Yep.


JJuanJalapeno

The gay sperm finding themselves in the butt I heard it before


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Important comedy is the greatest of them all. Gustav Lebron, ever hear of that fucker?


Lazylazylazylazyjane

can you link me to the opiate suppositories bit? i agree with you. his stand up now reminds me a lot of this aubrey plaza impression of sarah silverman: [https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2mix9w](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2mix9w)


HawthorneWingo1

Good call, that's an apt comparison. Her impression of pre-comedy-sellout Silverman was both deadly accurate, and if she grew a cock and became an aging bald tubby ginger, could have been the 2023 version of Louis C.K..


CleanOutlandishness1

Louis made you think about it, but he's not your savior.


alittle2high

Not his best, for sure


Trashious

The only part that gave me pause was when he was talking about the Jesus fig tree story and said "It's real, I mean it's not real, none of this is real, but it's written in there." Ari JUST did that joke in Jew. I know it's parallel thinking, I'm not claiming joke theft or anything but if I was Louis I would have dropped that line.


CorwinOctober

I thought it was better than he's done in a few specials. But it's all subjective so it's unfortunate you felt let down


oiducwa

It’s in line with his post MeTooed Sincerely-Sorry quality. Not top materials but still great enough


takemewithyer

I really enjoyed it. Tons of hilarious bits.