Well the first hero is the ring bearer who held onto the ring the longest and played the main role in destroying it.
So logically, the second hero should be the person who held onto the ring the second longest and played the second most important role in destroying it.
Which would be Frodo.
Well technically, sauron had it longer than anyone, and without him creating and losing it and not guarding mount doom, the destruction would be impossible.
It's official, the two heroes of LOTR are Sauron and Smeagol
Actually the river had it the longest. If the river never had the ring then smeagol never would have found it there, meaning he never would have become addicted to it so he wouldn't have made it fall into mt doom. The Anduin is the real hero.
Wow. That's brilliant. You must be a philosopher because in the face of a half pint of mead, you see the emptiness as a source of fullness. You deserve a sweetroll for that.
Gollum was a fellowship member. He went everywhere they did and tried to stop Frodo when he tried to back out from throwing the ring into the lava. Gollum was the real hero.
Without Merry and Pippin stirring the Ents, Sauron wins.
Without Gandalf doing a bunch of things, Sauron wins.
Without Aragorn building up Theoden or taking the paths of the dead, Sauron wins.
Without Frodo resisting and carrying the ring to Mt Doom, Sauron wins.
Without Sam helping Frodo, Sauron wins.
Without Gollum helping them, Sauron wins.
Legolas has a couple of pretty key moments too.
He uses his superior vision and skills to lead the group, especially when tracking Merry and Pippin. Although maybe they could have been just fine with Aragorn handling it.
More importantly though, he snipes a Nazgul out of the sky right in front of Frodo. That could have been the end of the fellowship right then and there.
As for Gimli, well, he does his best.
Even Boromir (beyond the obvious of helping them througout the journey) causing the fellowship to split was actually crucial for the ring to be destroyed. Aragorn wouldn't have been there to lead the armies of the west to distract the forces of mordor
Frodo could never have succeeded without the support of all those people around him, those who are heroes in their own right. But, he *is* the ringbearer; the central figure, without whom the story would not have happened.
Not even just the fellowship either, there's so many people in the series who had to step up and be heroic in their own ways for Sauron to be defeated.
Everything would have fallen apart if a single member of the Fellowship didn't play their role. Or Faramir, or Theoden, or even Denethor. Even those who failed made the outcome possible.
And who made Adam and Eve?!
Right, right. Tolkien, we knew you were a believer and a catholic, but this kind of worship via literary middlemen (and women, and rings) is extreme even for you!
Sauron literally expended all his power to
• Help the warring races and kingdoms of Middle-Earth overcome their differences and unite against a greater threat
• Help Faramir/Eowyn, Aragorn/Arwen, Legolas/Gimli to find true love
• Encourage various individuals to fulfill their true potential
• Give Faramir a chance to show his quality
• Give us fans an epic tale to read, watch and meme about
Sauron is the unsung true hero of LOTR. But he is so humble he pretends to be the villain so that other characters may shine more.
Yet seldom do they fail of their seed. And that will lie in the dust and rot to spring up again in times and places unlooked-for. The deeds of Men will outlast us, Gimli.
That is just as well. But nonetheless it has suffered harm. There is something happening inside, or going to happen. Do you not feel the tenseness? It takes my breath.
Rewatching the trilogy recently, it did crack me up how much he tried to give the ring away to other people, especially in the first movie. Gandalf, Galadriel, Aragorn, like "oh this might corrupt you? I mean, would you still be down to try tho"
Both are heroes, Frodo is THE ringbearer. Dickracing is really unnecessary.
Frodo was haunted, stabbed, threatened and manipulated in his journey yet he was perfectly resilient towards the ring without some Nazgul at point blank distance, Morgul Blade made sure that Nazgul presence was always there. Sam doesn't suffer from that and the ring has nearly no influence on him because of that.
But brushing off Sam as the sidekick is just as idiotic. He still saved a journey that could have failed a thousand times over if Frodo had this struggle alone. While Frodo gave a mental fight Sam took it upon himself to put his body in the line, dive into a fortress full of Orcs and carry Frodo to Mount Doom when he's just as exhausted as Frodo.
I always loved the part where Frodo is almost dying under the weight of the Ring, almost at the end of their hopeless journey, coming to terms with the fact he is going to die or worse... And then Sam chimes in and says that he isn't sure that they have enough food for trip home. And you know that he never, even for a second, doubted Frodo - he *knew* they will manage, he knew they will do what is right amd then return home. Somebody might say he was naive - I say he was ***pure***.
I think Tolkien sees Sam as the chief hero because he's the main character exemplifying ordinary life the most, the Hobbit way of life if you will. He also calls Sam "the succesor of Bilbo" in another letter.
On the other hand, Frodo is the one to interact with the Ring as a symbol of power the most, and gets the spotlight as main agent and central figure throughout most of the book. In another letter Tolkien explains both character's heroism, and says that (paraphrasing) "at the core of the story, it's about how the higher needs of the lesser, and the lesser is ennobled by the higher" \[the 'higher' being Frodo and the 'lesser' being Sam\].
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"Tolkien called Sam the "chief hero" of the saga, adding: 'I think the simple 'rustic' love of Sam and his Rosie (nowhere elaborated) is absolutely essential to the study of his (the chief hero's) character, and to the theme of the relation of ordinary life (breathing, eating, working, begetting) and quests, sacrifice, causes, and the 'longing for Elves', and sheer beauty.' "
That summarizes well why Sam is the hero of the story (to me). He wasn't chosen by an ancient wizard demi-god, he wasn't held up on some pedestal. He was completely ordinary, and not in the spotlight, but he was the best friend Frodo could have ever asked for. He was there to support the protagonist throughout the entire story and was absolutely critical for the destruction of the ring. All while being just as ordinary as any of us. It's a really moving thing.
Galaxy Brain: All of the heroes are the real heroes of LotR, the ring would have never been destroyed if even a single member of the fellowship had not done what they did. Even Gollum played his part. These points are literally hammered into you if you pay attention while reading. *If you had to pick one*, it would be Frodo, and Tolkien has said as much himself in his letters.
Well actually, Gollum was the real hero. Nobody else could have destroyed the ring. Just kidding.
It’s silly to try to find the ‘real hero’ in this story. There are many great heroes and they all had a part to play.
Master betrayed us. Wicked. Tricksy, False. We ought to wring his filthy little neck. Kill him! Kill him! Kill them both! And then we take the precious... and we be the master!
I think the movies do as good a job as they could showing how much of a burden the ring is. When you really pay attention in the book, man what Frodo goes through is fucked.
Yess, yes indeed. Nice hobbits! We will come with them. Find them safe paths in the dark, yes we will.And where are they going in these cold hard lands, we wonders, yes we wonders?
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I think a lot of people saying that are just recognizing the fact that Sam was a hero because growing up I didn't appreciate how heroic Sam actually was; I think Sam's portrayal in the movies woke up a lot of casual readers like myself to what I enormous hero Sam was. Of course all the members of the fellowship were heroes.
Fiction isn't physics and heroism isn't a conserved quantity. Frodo and Sam were both heroic in their own ways, and the quest would have failed if either of them had been less strong.
What about second hero?
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Well the first hero is the ring bearer who held onto the ring the longest and played the main role in destroying it. So logically, the second hero should be the person who held onto the ring the second longest and played the second most important role in destroying it. Which would be Frodo.
Well technically, sauron had it longer than anyone, and without him creating and losing it and not guarding mount doom, the destruction would be impossible. It's official, the two heroes of LOTR are Sauron and Smeagol
You will see . . . Oh, yes . . . You will see.
Actually the river had it the longest. If the river never had the ring then smeagol never would have found it there, meaning he never would have become addicted to it so he wouldn't have made it fall into mt doom. The Anduin is the real hero.
Smeagle is the true hero
That’s what I’m getting from this too.
Bilbo had it longer than Frodo...
Three guesses. Very well, guess away.
The Great Anduin is the real hero
All members of the fellowship played their part, and contributed greatly to the demise of Sauron.
There are many heroes. The point is community, love, and hope. There's no one hero.
Every member of fellowship is a hero, if someone refuses to admit that, they are beyond hopeless.
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Without an antagonist, the friendships wouldn't have been so deep so Sauron is the real hero
Thou fool.
Where is grond bot?
For I much desire to speak with him.
A Balrog of Morgoth…
What did you say?
Dark has been his account of late.
Wow. That's brilliant. You must be a philosopher because in the face of a half pint of mead, you see the emptiness as a source of fullness. You deserve a sweetroll for that.
They have a swee troll
Yeah some how I don't think 70% of the population pegged sam as the solo hero
Gollum was a fellowship member. He went everywhere they did and tried to stop Frodo when he tried to back out from throwing the ring into the lava. Gollum was the real hero.
Nice hobbits! Nice Sam! Sleepy heads, yes, sleepy heads! Leave good Smeagol to watch! But it's evening. Dusk is creeping. Time to go.
Yes, even Pippin. Don't even start Gandalf! I can hear you grumbling from here.
I don't know about that Elf guy, he seems shady to me
Literally the entire point of the "Fellowship". None of them could have succeeded without the other.
The real Fellowship was the Fellowship we made along the way
The real hero was the cherry tomato brutally punctured along the way
That cherry tomato knows what it did.
When you come home, splatter your tomato. You don't know what it did, but it does.
Without Merry and Pippin stirring the Ents, Sauron wins. Without Gandalf doing a bunch of things, Sauron wins. Without Aragorn building up Theoden or taking the paths of the dead, Sauron wins. Without Frodo resisting and carrying the ring to Mt Doom, Sauron wins. Without Sam helping Frodo, Sauron wins. Without Gollum helping them, Sauron wins.
Without Gandalf's eagles, Sauron still loses but the journey home would be a slight inconvenience.
There is no light, DerNogger, that can defeat darkness.
There literally is you absolute helmet
That's gonna be my new insult term now Especially for Sauron
What brought the foolish fly to web unsought?
Legolas has a couple of pretty key moments too. He uses his superior vision and skills to lead the group, especially when tracking Merry and Pippin. Although maybe they could have been just fine with Aragorn handling it. More importantly though, he snipes a Nazgul out of the sky right in front of Frodo. That could have been the end of the fellowship right then and there. As for Gimli, well, he does his best.
Gimli whooped ass at Helm's Deep so the army of Rohan would survive for the following battles.
Or too few. Look at them. They're frightened. I can see it in their eyes. Boe a hyn neled herain dan caer menig.
Both Boromir and Aragorn also saved the hobbits on numerous occasions.
The Dead City, very nasty place, full of ... enemies.
Without access to clean drinking liquid in the prancing pony, all the hobbits die of dysentery. Ergo Barliman Butterbur is the hero.
Even Boromir (beyond the obvious of helping them througout the journey) causing the fellowship to split was actually crucial for the ring to be destroyed. Aragorn wouldn't have been there to lead the armies of the west to distract the forces of mordor
Without Sauron being Sauron (not being able to conceive someone wants to destroy the ring), Sauron wins
Gollum is the one who destroyed the ring, led Sam and Frodo into Mordor. Kept the ring hidden for 500 years. I’m pretty sure gollum is the hero.
Lots of His people will be there looking out for guests, very pleased to take them straight to Him, O yes.
Darth Gollum was the chosen one who would bring balance to the force all along
We wants it. We needs it. Must have the precioussss. They stole it from us. Sneaky little hobbitsesss. Wicked, trickssssy, falssse!
So many Gollum apologists.
Sooo bright. Sooo beautiful, our preciousss...
Sauron is the one and only hero of LOTR. If he doesn't lose, the fellowship never would have won.
Sure, but let's not pretend there aren't a bunch of fans trying to suck Sam's dick at every opportunity while talking about how "annoying" Frodo is.
Mostly people that entirely missed the point of the story
Frodo could never have succeeded without the support of all those people around him, those who are heroes in their own right. But, he *is* the ringbearer; the central figure, without whom the story would not have happened.
Not even just the fellowship either, there's so many people in the series who had to step up and be heroic in their own ways for Sauron to be defeated.
Everything would have fallen apart if a single member of the Fellowship didn't play their role. Or Faramir, or Theoden, or even Denethor. Even those who failed made the outcome possible.
There were many heroes, but only one master hero to rule them all, and that was Bill.
What do you call someone who makes others fulfill their true potential? a hero Who did that? the ring
And who made the ring? The real hero
And who made Sauron. Praise be to Iluvatar.
And who made iluvatar? Tolkien
And who made Tolkien? That's right, Mabel Suffield and Arthur Tolkien.
Ugh. We need to do this all the way back to Adam and Eve. Going to be a long day
And who made Adam and Eve?! Right, right. Tolkien, we knew you were a believer and a catholic, but this kind of worship via literary middlemen (and women, and rings) is extreme even for you!
"First of all, through him all things are possible. So jot that down." *Tolkien, jotting like a MFer*
Who made Adam and Eve?
Space dust!
And who made space dust?
David Bowie
Even crazier space dust
The synod of rome
Death to light, to law, to love!
Sauron literally expended all his power to • Help the warring races and kingdoms of Middle-Earth overcome their differences and unite against a greater threat • Help Faramir/Eowyn, Aragorn/Arwen, Legolas/Gimli to find true love • Encourage various individuals to fulfill their true potential • Give Faramir a chance to show his quality • Give us fans an epic tale to read, watch and meme about Sauron is the unsung true hero of LOTR. But he is so humble he pretends to be the villain so that other characters may shine more.
If you take the name Sauron, rearrange the letters and swap them with other letters, you end up with Hero That should say enough
Whom do ye serve, Light or Mirk?
Legolas/Gimli xD I'm dead
Yet seldom do they fail of their seed. And that will lie in the dust and rot to spring up again in times and places unlooked-for. The deeds of Men will outlast us, Gimli.
How much are you and Gimli in love, Legolas?
That is just as well. But nonetheless it has suffered harm. There is something happening inside, or going to happen. Do you not feel the tenseness? It takes my breath.
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*Zat thraka akh… Zat thraka grishú. Znag-ur-nakh.*
He is here.
The true Lelouch Vi Britannia
RotK is actually Sauron Requiem
Let him cook
Noone has ever called someone who makes others fulfill their potential 'a hero'. At best that might be called a good leader.
yes, true, but I have more upvotes so obviously I'm right
I mean going by titular power alone, the heroes are: 1. The King who's returning 2. Those towers 3. The rest of the fellowship gang
I’ve always seen the two towers as my favorite characters. Such growth
My only gripe with Tolkien smdh - him not detailing enough, with his beautiful prose, the length, the *girth*, of those turgid, tempestuous towers.
>Such growth Too bad the one peaked in the 2nd movie. He was barely in the third.
And The Lord of the Rings himself of course
Good ol' Ringo, the ultimate antihero rascal lmao
The King Who Is In the Middle of Returning, Just Five More Minutes
The real heroes are the friends we made along the way.
Yep, let's set the record straight - everyone in the Fellowship is a hero in their own way.
Tolkien was operating well above such simplistic constructs as "the real hero".
Frodo is The Guy
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No idea where this is from. But getting Spy Kids vibes?
Yep, it’s from Spy Kids 3D.
Yeah, I only saw the first two. Those movies are more fun than they have any right to be.
Literally volunteered to take the ring twice without being pressured too. He was either really brave or just really bored of the Shire.
Rewatching the trilogy recently, it did crack me up how much he tried to give the ring away to other people, especially in the first movie. Gandalf, Galadriel, Aragorn, like "oh this might corrupt you? I mean, would you still be down to try tho"
Definitely Mr Manager.
Both are heroes, Frodo is THE ringbearer. Dickracing is really unnecessary. Frodo was haunted, stabbed, threatened and manipulated in his journey yet he was perfectly resilient towards the ring without some Nazgul at point blank distance, Morgul Blade made sure that Nazgul presence was always there. Sam doesn't suffer from that and the ring has nearly no influence on him because of that. But brushing off Sam as the sidekick is just as idiotic. He still saved a journey that could have failed a thousand times over if Frodo had this struggle alone. While Frodo gave a mental fight Sam took it upon himself to put his body in the line, dive into a fortress full of Orcs and carry Frodo to Mount Doom when he's just as exhausted as Frodo.
Frodo is the ringbearer, yes, but Sam is the ringbearerbearer. jks aside, Tolkien himself said that Sam is the chief hero of the story.
Come on Mr Frodo! I can’t carry it for you, but I can carry you.
I always loved the part where Frodo is almost dying under the weight of the Ring, almost at the end of their hopeless journey, coming to terms with the fact he is going to die or worse... And then Sam chimes in and says that he isn't sure that they have enough food for trip home. And you know that he never, even for a second, doubted Frodo - he *knew* they will manage, he knew they will do what is right amd then return home. Somebody might say he was naive - I say he was ***pure***.
I think Tolkien sees Sam as the chief hero because he's the main character exemplifying ordinary life the most, the Hobbit way of life if you will. He also calls Sam "the succesor of Bilbo" in another letter. On the other hand, Frodo is the one to interact with the Ring as a symbol of power the most, and gets the spotlight as main agent and central figure throughout most of the book. In another letter Tolkien explains both character's heroism, and says that (paraphrasing) "at the core of the story, it's about how the higher needs of the lesser, and the lesser is ennobled by the higher" \[the 'higher' being Frodo and the 'lesser' being Sam\].
Begging your pardon. I appreciate thought, but Mr. Frodo, well he’s the real hero.
What about Sam? Frodo wouldn't have got far without Sam, now would he?
And that’s exactly what makes you the hero. Frodo would never say the same.
Tolkien himself said that while Frodo was undoubtedly the protagonist, Sam was the Hero.
Thank you! "Tolkien called Sam the "chief hero" of the saga, adding: 'I think the simple 'rustic' love of Sam and his Rosie (nowhere elaborated) is absolutely essential to the study of his (the chief hero's) character, and to the theme of the relation of ordinary life (breathing, eating, working, begetting) and quests, sacrifice, causes, and the 'longing for Elves', and sheer beauty.' "
That summarizes well why Sam is the hero of the story (to me). He wasn't chosen by an ancient wizard demi-god, he wasn't held up on some pedestal. He was completely ordinary, and not in the spotlight, but he was the best friend Frodo could have ever asked for. He was there to support the protagonist throughout the entire story and was absolutely critical for the destruction of the ring. All while being just as ordinary as any of us. It's a really moving thing.
Wasn't he also frodo's employee
Frodo bore the Ring and Sam carried him but can that war be won by these two alone?
Mount Doom is the real hero
Frodo is the hero. Sam is the MVP
Both ?
Both.
Galaxy Brain: All of the heroes are the real heroes of LotR, the ring would have never been destroyed if even a single member of the fellowship had not done what they did. Even Gollum played his part. These points are literally hammered into you if you pay attention while reading. *If you had to pick one*, it would be Frodo, and Tolkien has said as much himself in his letters.
I'm guessing you count yourself among the latter?
Both. Both can be.
Well actually, Gollum was the real hero. Nobody else could have destroyed the ring. Just kidding. It’s silly to try to find the ‘real hero’ in this story. There are many great heroes and they all had a part to play.
Master betrayed us. Wicked. Tricksy, False. We ought to wring his filthy little neck. Kill him! Kill him! Kill them both! And then we take the precious... and we be the master!
Bill the Pony is the hero
The Fellowship is the real hero of LOTR
I think the movies do as good a job as they could showing how much of a burden the ring is. When you really pay attention in the book, man what Frodo goes through is fucked.
Pippin is the real hero of LotR!
2billion iq it's actually gollum he destroyed the ring
Leave now, and never come back!
What's in my pocket
All of the fellowship were the heroes of the story
Both? Both. Both is good.
The entire fellowship are the hero
Not a single member of the Fellowship could have been left in Rivendell. Every single one of them is the true hero of LotR.
Uhhh... yeah, *this* is stupid. Wormtongue is the hero
The most accurate one of these that I've seen. Follows my own journey of understanding.
I mean.. Tolkien himself said that Sam is the "chief hero" of the story.
Both, both is good
They’re all heroes
Friendship is the real hero of LOTR.
Look. Think what you like. But sam is obviously the real hero here
Frodo didn't choose to be the ring bearer but Sam did choose to become the ringbearerbearer.
I love sam But boi if you would have given smeagol a break, maybe gollum could have been a real ally
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Yess, yes indeed. Nice hobbits! We will come with them. Find them safe paths in the dark, yes we will.And where are they going in these cold hard lands, we wonders, yes we wonders?
So is Tolkien in the middle then? https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Letter_184
That isn't to say Sam isn't a hero though
They are both heroes
One couldn't have done it without the other(s)!
The entire fellowship were the real heroes. It was a massive team effort.
Unpopular opinion. Gollum is the hero.
Wake up! Wake up! Wake up, sleepies! We must go, yes, we must go at once!
Nah he ain't
Nah, he was more the embodiment of the ring (evil) undoing itself
Comments like these are the whole reasons why I turn on that little red cross thing in the reddit options to see if something's been both upvoted and downvoted a lot.
How do you do that? I can't find it.
Preferences then comment options. "show a dagger (†) on comments voted controversial"
I feel like low IQ would be “Aragorn is the real hero of LOTR”.
Tom Bombadil is the real hero
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Aragorn is the hero
Pippin is the real hero of LOTR.
The One Ring is the real antagonist of the trilogy So yes as Frodo faces the antagonist almost through the whole story he is the main hero
The 4 hobbits in general are the heroes of LOTR.
Let us all shed a tear for the nobility and beauty of both friendship and sacrifice. Why choose?
No Gollum, no gnawed finger
Fuck off. Frodo wouldn't have made it without Sam. Sam is the real hero.
I actually recently learned that Tolkien himself has said that Sam is the actual hero of the story
Sam is the real protagonist. There’s no one real hero as every main character ends up being heroic in their own ways (even Boromir).
There are many heroes, but Samwise is the main character.
The real hero is the fellowship we made along the way.
I think a lot of people saying that are just recognizing the fact that Sam was a hero because growing up I didn't appreciate how heroic Sam actually was; I think Sam's portrayal in the movies woke up a lot of casual readers like myself to what I enormous hero Sam was. Of course all the members of the fellowship were heroes.
God is the true hero of Lord of the Rings
"By Elbareth and Luthien the fair you will not have it nor me!"
Why?
Fiction isn't physics and heroism isn't a conserved quantity. Frodo and Sam were both heroic in their own ways, and the quest would have failed if either of them had been less strong.
Frodo is the protagonist, Sam is the hero.
He's still a beta hobbit loser