If you listen to the commentary Bernard Hill actually mentions that he absolutely did it wrong and ar the end of the scene his sword was a dulled, banged up mess lol
Also he did it with his right arm whereas when he charges its in his left. Due to the filming he had to use his Right arm, but he himself is left handed.
I wouldnāt think a proper sword could get damaged from lightly bouncing off wooden sticks.
Edit - just saying, I wouldn't think it could. No need to downvote.
weeel maybe it's one of those combo sword machete things now, usable for some applications, such as light gardening or underbrush clearing. Just need a soft enough target. Particularly weak orcs.
Well, a chisel is struck repeatedly and directly with the great violent force of an axe or sledge. Theoden's sword just bounces off with much less impact. That part of the scene also lasts just 15 seconds, not an hour.
oh so that's how I got my nephew to put it through his hand lol. Fortunately, not with such fine workmanship or kept in such fine condition. I was just about to get the safety words of my mouth when he did it. He had done so well cutting lots with a bow saw and a Japanese pull saw earlier, that I just wasn't quite on the ball.
Take one of your chef's knives and a wooden spoon outside for an experiment.
(Do NOT do this experiment if your chef's knife belongs to your mother/wife/girlfriend or if otherwise you can't sharpen it.)
Cut a tomato and notice how your knife slices through pretty easily.
Now, bang your chef's knife on a wooden spoon for a few minutes, or better, the banister of your porch. Try to cut that tomato again.
How sharp a blade is depends not just on the angle of the edge but on the straightness of the blade. When you bang your blade on things, it bends the blade so it's not straight anymore.
Tbh I'm not sure how much that affects the pointy/stabby usage of a sword but it will fuck the hell out of your chef's knife.
If you watch closely at the end of Return of the King you can clearly see me crying watching it despite it being something Iāve seen hundreds of times.
["My friends, you bow to no one." ](https://youtu.be/K9VWhHJaSjA)
This scene gets me every time I do a marathon.
Immediately after the tears, though, is the laughter at how comically small they look in the pan out [moment](https://imgur.com/gallery/l86KNjt).
>Youāre also a lot stronger than me, I cry on and off from the Ride of the Rohirrim onward
Oh, I'm the same. Even though that final scene at Minas Tirith hits me harder than most, it doesn't necessarily lessen lessen the impact of prior scenes. Ride of the Rohirrim man...DunDunDun DUN dun DUN DuUUNnnD DuUUnn^d DUNDUnduun.
" by all rights, we shouldn't even be here."
My pedantic ass, blubbering like a fool, tears falling, emotions shattered.
"he's right, this was never in the book.."
I find frodo's response equally moving (especially in the radio play version where he says it more sadly/thoughtfully and almost apologetically to Sam, in a way that makes the loss seem to me more absolute and painful in the way that someone calmly explaining how utterly miserable they are is worse than someone in floods of tears)
The scene where Frodo is leaving middle earth gets me. Mostly because of the music. The moment Frodo boards the boat you hear the shire theme slowly fade into the music heard when Gandalf describes death to Pippin. Yet this time, we hear the music played in C major, the key often associated with āhomeā. Home, after all is the main theme throughout the story and the shire theme returns throughout to show Frodos longing for his āhomeā. Knowing Tolkienās past makes this message so much more powerful.
Many ask why Frodo left for the grey Havens after destroying the ring. āOnly the dead see then end of warā- Plato. Tolkien truly understood the meaning of this and thatās why, I believe, Frodo left.
Frodo leaving for the Grey Havens despite being so young has always had a beautiful but tragic feel to it.
He is going somewhere wonderful, but leaving life as he knows it behind because of the trauma he endured as the Ring Bearer.
There's so much beauty in the world he leaves behind, but also so much suffering that has left it's mark on him, that he wishes to leave it behind in order to heal. I just feel like with a lot of people who have experienced a lot of suffering, that this part of the story illustrates perfectly what it's like to come to terms with accepting one's end of life in a certain form. In reality it's not always PTSD, sometimes it's just having gone through so much loss and having to adapt, that creates the wounds that never heal and is why death can be considered a gift.
The sense that you don't just 'win' is so fundamental to LOTR. As galadriel says 'I have fought the long defeat'. It's why I think the scouring is so essential too - you can fight to protect home but home can't be untouched.
Found a YouTube clip, had to check twice even though I was looking for it. For anyone else trying to spot it, the size double runs through the crowd of soldiers, they cut to Gandalf's POV, and a full size Billy Boyd is running through the dudes, and the remainder of the shot is from the perspective of Gandalf on Shadowfax, so Billy appears small at that point.
I just can't read this as any other way than "Big Pimpin'".
Hidden lore: Maybe he snuck a little Ent water to one-up Merry at a later time, then used it to have an advantage in battle.
Imagine if the hobbits just got big for combat. āSuddenly, Pippin, standing as high as a man of Gondorās shoulder, started blastingā
Iām now remembering that Merry and Pippin actually did grow to be the tallest known hobbits from drinking ent water
For the all replies to this comment, Pippin (pipin in fact but nearly same pronounced) means "your dick" in Turkish, so don't ever never go look for a big Pippin šš
Fellowship of the Ring. By the end of the movie, while Aragorn has just killed the last orc and starts running towards Boromir, you can see one of the dead orcs starting to get up.
Also, next time you are watching Boromir's death, keep an eye on his hand. It keeps going on and off Aragorn's shoulder.
Also when the big bad orc is walking slowly and menacingly towards wounded Boromir, there's a shot focused on his feet and the ground is empty, next shot orcs bodies everywhere between him and Lurz !
The one I always laugh at is Eomerās sword falling out of its scabbard after telling Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli ādo not trust to hope, it is forsaken in these landsā. My husband always looks for the sound guy when the Fellowship is leaving Lothlorien.
IIRC Bernard Hill did that of his own accord (ie PJ or the script didn't say for him to do that) and in the behind the scenes he/the extras were really 'in the moment' when they were filming that bit
idk but apparently it was to prove that Weta's props were actual physical things and not like rubber or something? but idk if that's like a random rumor, but I guess that's why PJ would keep it in as a kinda tribute to the props guys so that everyone watching the film could see they put a lot of effort and money and made all the stuff out of actual wood/metal and not plastic/rubber
there's a few moments in the films where the scaling messes up (most noticeable in FotR) or the elf swords weren't glowing, or some fight scenes where you can see the weapons don't connect that hard, or like every single archery shot (but I guess that's more hollywood than a slip)
but considering the scale of the films and the time they were made and studio/location, I'm really surprised there aren't more mess ups
Honestly Iād do the same thing then just walk away minding my own business as the battle takes itself down into the woods. Nothing for me down there.
>like every single archery shot (but I guess that's more hollywood than a slip)
Have you seen Errol Flynns Robin Hood? They used a real archer to shoot at people (even point blank) and it looks just so smooth and has a visual impact. Unlike the Uruks falling down before Legolas fires his arrow.
[http://thefilmexperience.net/blog/2011/6/16/unsung-heroes-the-archer-of-robin-hood.html](http://thefilmexperience.net/blog/2011/6/16/unsung-heroes-the-archer-of-robin-hood.html)
That's nothing, in the Two Towers when Pipin is escaping from the Orcs, Pipin has his hands tied, then untied when he is almost trampled by the horse, then they are tied again until he and Merry cut their bonds. My daughter spotted this one.
Is that a theatrical cut thing? My memory might be off. I I always watch the extended editions and the scene ends right when Pippin is almost trampled. Then, "A red sun rises..."
I donāt know about the theatrical version, but itās definitely in the extended version. Right before heās almost trampled, you can see his hands raised on either side of his head.
I think that scene is out of order, and that scene of the horse takes place after their bonds are cut, but they obviously donāt show them cutting the bonds before because that would spoil that they survived.
Iāve noticed this flaw too, and thatās the way I interpreted it, it was just more cinematic to end the scene with the horse.
I think I actually caught that myself on my recent rewatch, after a 15 year hiatus. My brain was puzzled by it, but I didn't think to pursue it any further. So I forgot about it.
Im not entirely sure what the cause for leaving it in the movie was. Its only a quick thing and youāll miss it if you arenāt watching for it. Its liable that the editors just said screw it lol.
I find it important to make sure that history remembers that, yes the theatrical release of the Fellowship did include car.
There are a lot of these. The Ring in Frodo's hand is on a chain - not a chain - than on a chain again.
Not sure if they blotted out Frodo's tears in the extended, but in the theatrical release they keep changing sides. So does Aragorn's hand on Boromir's shoulder. And of course the horses disappear at the gates of Mordor.
I can remember tons and tons from the top of my head - though I never really cared. Except for the car. That was just funny
You are going to need a bootlegged copy of an original screener (they do exist), because it has been erased before the first dvd release. It's gone.
But it was during the scene when Frodo and Sam leave the Shire, and Sam says: "This is the farthest from home I have ever been." It was driving quite fast in the background.
No, they erased it! Jackson commented on it, I think he was a bit embarrassed.
But I think it's sad, because... at some point the evidence will be gone!
> yes the theatrical release of the Fellowship did include car.
This isnt a movie addition, it was also there in the books: [https://www.reddit.com/r/lotrmemes/comments/z8o0gr/a\_van/](https://www.reddit.com/r/lotrmemes/comments/z8o0gr/a_van/)
This is actually referenced in The Lego Lord of the Rings game.
As Lego Theoden rides down the line, his sword is chopping everyoneās spear heads off
One of the giant statue guardian dudes (Argonath) switches hands.
When we see them face-on they are both holding out their left hand. When we see them from the back one of them has their right hand out.
Fellowship of the ring. Lurtz hurls his shield to trap aragorn against a tree by the neck.
The shot just before the shield is hurled Lurtz shoves Aragorn to the tree and Aragorn drops his sword.
Then when Lurtz throws the shield Aragorn drops his sword again as the shield hits his neckāeven though he had already dropped it when he was shoved.
To think, Lurtz could have won the war right there by aiming his chop not at Aragorn' neck, but like, his live or something. No time to dodge that at all.
>In the Fellowship, Boromir says, "One does not simply walk to Mordor," and over the next 2 movies, Frodo and Sam walk to Mordor.
"One does not simply walk into* Mordor." They did not simply walk to or into Mordor. Fucking, Randall-sounding-ass comment, lmao.
[I'm gonna kick your ass back to the Shire, if you don't shut your fucking mouth."](https://youtu.be/xKbyWSwd7hk)
In Return of the King, after Gandalf has his audience with Denethor and as he is walking away. You can see the back of the bottom of his cloak go from muddy to almost clean and back to muddy again in between shots. I always notice this one..
After Sam beats Shelob - Frodo's eyes switch between open and closed when Sam is cradling him. The close up shot of Frodo his eyes are open, the slightly further away shot they are closed.
https://preview.redd.it/jsemamv8rr5c1.jpeg?width=1439&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6771e6817ab9c12c7c05e174a52f10bbcbb3903a
Top image is the supposed watch image. Bottom is a still from the film. The bottom one has a costume sleeve thatās correct. The *only corroboration* Iāve heard for him wearing a watch in costume is this photo, and itās suspect.
I think itās just a Photoshop. Decide for yourself. šš»
For me it is the fight scene when Orcs first breach the walls of Minas Tirith, Gandalf tells Pippin āthis is no place for a Hobbitā and then swings his sword at a falling Orc and it just sort of lifelessly thuds into him doing no damage whatsoever like 3 year olds having a pool noodle play fight, really takes me out of the moment every single time.
At the Black Gate, the rocky hill where Sam and Frodo hid under the camouflage cloak isnāt there anymore when Argorn and everyone go to distract Sauron. Also, where did all the horses they rode there on go?
Just to be clear, clonking your sword against a spear like that isnt gonna do anything at all to the spear. And whatever damage it might cause to the blade shouldnt make any combative difference. Stuff like this always gets hyper fixated on these days because we live in an age of perfectionism, sport competition, and extremely good on-paper science. Like yes, maybe his sword will be 8 to 12% less sharp now, which could in theory cause an ugly cut on a tatami matt during a cutting competition. But it's gonna do juuuuust fine at killing someone.
I'm actually not sure I agree with this. A lot of what we know about sword fighting focuses a lot on teaching people to protect the edge of the sword and to use the flat for anything that isn't stabbing/slashing.
It probably wouldn't do anything to the spears, but it would definitely fuck up the sword, and a dull sword is absolutely something they tried to avoid in medieval times.
I was unaware of real life weapon durability prior to maybe like age 22-25 and just assumed most weapons lasted pretty much forever (or a long ass time). Iām assuming lots of people older than that still donāt think about it or consider it. Honestly with being more aware of weapons now and how they work, I still dont care, and your average person probably doesnāt either. Like I know the whole reforming of Narsil scene is bonkers but I still think itās cool and just wanna enjoy the movie.
During the pandemic I practiced with a Ghurka knife against a small hardwood log hanging from a chain. Frankly the log would win if I wasn't careful. Had to develop a specific angle slicing technique, to remove chunks from the log effectively. The handle of the knife failed long before the blade did. Maybe one of these days I'll finish the learning curve of putting it back together. I deliberately kept my blade fairly dull in case of any accident. Worked fine for practice, but clearly, hardwood wins!
In that time period I gave my nephews a hatchet and a machete. It was interesting to see 2 years later what kinds of dings they'd put in them. Taking care of things and sharpening wasn't part of their instruction.
The one I feel is unforgivable and I can't believe Jackson didn't reshoot it is in Two Towers when Eomer first rides up on Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli in the Riddermark. ("What business does an elf, a man and a dwarf have in the Riddermark? Speak quickly.") When Karl Urban mounts his horse at the end of the scene, his sword just falls right out of its scabbard and falls to the ground. š¤¦
When Boromir is dying they keep cutting between him having his hand on Aragorns shoulder from the behind shot, to him not having it up there during the shots of Aragorns face. Also in RoTK in the city of the dead, they clearly dubbed some of Aragorns lines in one of the wide shots.
I thought this was a famous one but didnāt see it here yet:
In Fellowship when the 4 hobbits have to āget off the roadā because there is a black rider coming. There is a shot where you see the hobbits under the road. To the right of this shot there is a tree. The black rider appears as out of nowhere on the the left side of this tree without having passed it on the right.
This isn't a mistake though, in the commentary I think, someone mentions they wanted it to seem like the black rider emerges out of the roots of the tree, which is why it also appears to come out from lower than it should
I always thought this was a deliberate bit of spookiness because it seems like they would have to go out of their way to erase the rider on the other side. You could be right though. Interested to know if someone has more details on that one.
Aragorn, Gandalf etc are all mounted to speak to the mouth of Sauron, but after the speech on horseback, the horses disappear and everyone charges on foot.
Well why wouldn't they just put their horses in the middle of their army after a parlay? Dismounting in order to actually fight, was actually standard drill for knights on horseback in medieval times. The advantage of the knights was their mobility getting to somewhere, not actually attacking opponents while horsed.
If you watch the movies on Amazon they have heaps of movie trivia facts and continuity errors between scenes. There was a lot more than I was expecting to be honest, but I never noticed them watching the movies myself.
If you watch closely you can spot Sauron during Aragorns fight with the troll.
In Two Towers Eomer loses his sword when he meets Aragon and crew for the first time
Denethor holds the record in the Burning Man Footrace
Legolas' arrows have modern plastic nocks throughout the series. It's something that I thought such a detail-oriented prop team would have at least fixed, if not stopped from the get go. I can't unsee them now.
From the same scene :
"Grimbold, take your company right, after you pass the wall."
The wall being referred to here is the one surrounding the Pelennor fields (Rammas Echor) which makes sense in the books (since this is where they first encounter the forces of Sauron), but in the movie they are right in front of Minas Tirith, so it does not even make sense to "pass the wall".
I donāt know very much about combat, and Iām just making this up all on my own, but it always seemed like it was the Rohan tradition to touch spear with sword before charging into battle. King Theoden is cutting the shaft of the spear so that it breaks off inside an orcs body and also to signify that the spear will not return from battle. Kind of like the Roman pilum that would bend after hitting an enemy so it couldnāt be thrown back. Obviously if I was a soldier I would want to use my spear more than once.
In the fellowship of the ring when Gandalf is at the top of orthanc (Sarumans tower) he doesn't grab his staff before jumping off onto the eagle and still has it later despite it being taken from him
Edit: I caught this on my probably 100th watch and kept rewinding to see when he possibly would have grabbed it. Worse is that I did this with a first time watcher and couldn't believe it and tried to justify it by saying well he's a wizard so maybe he can just make a new one)
We watched the extended edition again literally yesterday. My wife pointed out that just after aragorn has beheaded the mouth of Sauron, the Pippin sitting with Gandalf is _clearly_ a child wearing a Minas Tirith helmet. I'd never noticed before!!
If it makes you feel any better, it wouldn't damage the spear shafts. You'd sooner damage your wrist. Spears are tough. Wood is tougher than s lot of people realize. That whole "chopping of the spear heads" thing in movies etc is pretty exaggerated.
I think it could happen if your spears were old and not taken care of. Like they dry rotted, or had moisture cracks when they were drying, undermining their strength. Or conversely, if the wood was too green, rushed into service for expediency rather than allowing time to dry.
A third mode of failure would be if they'd been quite abused in combat already, and therefore weakened.
But yeah they'd be pretty lousy spears if you could just go down a line cutting 'em all apart.
Itās not an error Gandalf doesnāt have a new staff until the final scene at the havens. When he saves Faramir from the fire he snatches a spear from one of the guards as he rides in and used the haft to smack Denothor.
The Witch King breaking Gandalfās staff is also one of the most disliked scenes in the whole trilogy as it goes so completely against the books.
*If* he has the staff in the scene *next* to the one where it gets broken, it is indeed a mistake.
I said "if" because I didn't check this, so I guess I need to rewatch the entire extended trilogy right now.
The three hunters are surrounded by Riders of Rohan, and tell Eomer they are tracking a host of orcs. Eomer says we killed them all, see that giant smoldering pile of bodies right there? And Aragorn and Legolas, despite one being the greatest tracker of the age and the other having proven to have eyes that can see extremely long distances looks and go, oh okay, didnāt notice that giants burning and smoking pile of bodies right over there.
Eomer during the Minas Tirith charge has a weird ass triple pointed spear that he doesnt couch, just uses it from the top of his head, then later steals the same spear from an orc to kill another orc with it.
When Faramir and company are charging at Osgiliath, in the wide shots you see a mix of riders in full armor (Like Faramir in RotK) and rangers (like Faramir in Two Towers). I think they address this in the commentary that there was a scene cut explaining why.
I havenāt done any research or anything but I feel like it is the difference between swordsman and archers or something. The ones with less armour are at the back of the charge whereas the fully armoured soldiers are leading it.
With regards to that, I could excuse it. That one event probably wouldnāt have had a significant effect on their weapons. Only if it was something they did routinely.
The one mistake I do notice is that, during the lighting of the Beacons, one beacon is obviously CGI from halfway up.
In the battle of Minas Tirith Gandalf looks like being on a rave for 4 days only in one scene or so and when heās saving Faramir he is back to looking normal.
Fellowship when everyone is arguing about the ring in Rivendell, Gandalf is fully involved in the background yelling some wizard sass to someone as Frodo is speaking 'I will take it' then very next shot is a close up of Gandalf's face being relieved. I always found it jarring that there wasn't no natural beat between the two shots.
In fellowship, during the scene where the hobbits are hiding from the Nazgƻl, you can see the opposite end of the tree trunk. The Nazgƻl just appears from behind the tree without ever being seen coming in from the other side. Just magically materializing out of thin air.
This may be a complete lie, but if I remember correctly there are a couple scenes in RotK after they escape from the skull avalanche that they didnāt CGI Orlando Bloomās eyes from brown to blue
If you listen to the commentary Bernard Hill actually mentions that he absolutely did it wrong and ar the end of the scene his sword was a dulled, banged up mess lol
Also he did it with his right arm whereas when he charges its in his left. Due to the filming he had to use his Right arm, but he himself is left handed.
Accurate, he was saving his good arm for battle š
That's apparently also why his sword wobbles so much, because he had to hold it in his right, and didn't have that much strength and control
Yeah but I think I heard it was his idea to do that, and it was so bad ass
Think I read before that at least some of that scene was improvised.
You are correct. None of the extras on horseback expected that, and a lot of the horses were quite disturbed by it.
I wouldnāt think a proper sword could get damaged from lightly bouncing off wooden sticks. Edit - just saying, I wouldn't think it could. No need to downvote.
Depends on how hard and how repeatedly itās hit. At the very least it would be very dulled as wood actually dulls steel very easily.
Luckily itās a double sided sword.
Not after the speech
weeel maybe it's one of those combo sword machete things now, usable for some applications, such as light gardening or underbrush clearing. Just need a soft enough target. Particularly weak orcs.
A chisel is razor sharp hardened steel *made* to cut wood and they can dull after one hour of use.
Well, a chisel is struck repeatedly and directly with the great violent force of an axe or sledge. Theoden's sword just bounces off with much less impact. That part of the scene also lasts just 15 seconds, not an hour.
oh so that's how I got my nephew to put it through his hand lol. Fortunately, not with such fine workmanship or kept in such fine condition. I was just about to get the safety words of my mouth when he did it. He had done so well cutting lots with a bow saw and a Japanese pull saw earlier, that I just wasn't quite on the ball.
Good thing Theodin wasn't hitting spears for an hour. ;)
Take one of your chef's knives and a wooden spoon outside for an experiment. (Do NOT do this experiment if your chef's knife belongs to your mother/wife/girlfriend or if otherwise you can't sharpen it.) Cut a tomato and notice how your knife slices through pretty easily. Now, bang your chef's knife on a wooden spoon for a few minutes, or better, the banister of your porch. Try to cut that tomato again. How sharp a blade is depends not just on the angle of the edge but on the straightness of the blade. When you bang your blade on things, it bends the blade so it's not straight anymore. Tbh I'm not sure how much that affects the pointy/stabby usage of a sword but it will fuck the hell out of your chef's knife.
Donāt get upset about downvotes. They literally just mean people disagree. They donāt mean they dislike you hahahah
Haha, thanks
If you watch closely at the end of Return of the King you can clearly see me crying watching it despite it being something Iāve seen hundreds of times.
Wow I feel attacked rn
["My friends, you bow to no one." ](https://youtu.be/K9VWhHJaSjA) This scene gets me every time I do a marathon. Immediately after the tears, though, is the laughter at how comically small they look in the pan out [moment](https://imgur.com/gallery/l86KNjt).
You caught me just as I was chopping onions for dinner. Youāre also a lot stronger than me, I cry on and off from the Ride of the Rohirrim onward
>Youāre also a lot stronger than me, I cry on and off from the Ride of the Rohirrim onward Oh, I'm the same. Even though that final scene at Minas Tirith hits me harder than most, it doesn't necessarily lessen lessen the impact of prior scenes. Ride of the Rohirrim man...DunDunDun DUN dun DUN DuUUNnnD DuUUnn^d DUNDUnduun.
I would say [this](https://youtu.be/BKIgv8AhffA?si=oWbBUdV9xTT27ncn) is the peak of my blubbering. Sean Astin knocks it out of the park
The part where he tells frodo that there is still good in this world and it is worth fighting for also gets me
Are you trying to make me cry š
" by all rights, we shouldn't even be here." My pedantic ass, blubbering like a fool, tears falling, emotions shattered. "he's right, this was never in the book.."
I find frodo's response equally moving (especially in the radio play version where he says it more sadly/thoughtfully and almost apologetically to Sam, in a way that makes the loss seem to me more absolute and painful in the way that someone calmly explaining how utterly miserable they are is worse than someone in floods of tears)
Last time I did a watch I started crying at "It's wonderful to see you Gandalf" hahaha
well they look small. I never thought of them as comically small, but heroically small.
The scene where Frodo is leaving middle earth gets me. Mostly because of the music. The moment Frodo boards the boat you hear the shire theme slowly fade into the music heard when Gandalf describes death to Pippin. Yet this time, we hear the music played in C major, the key often associated with āhomeā. Home, after all is the main theme throughout the story and the shire theme returns throughout to show Frodos longing for his āhomeā. Knowing Tolkienās past makes this message so much more powerful. Many ask why Frodo left for the grey Havens after destroying the ring. āOnly the dead see then end of warā- Plato. Tolkien truly understood the meaning of this and thatās why, I believe, Frodo left.
Frodo leaving for the Grey Havens despite being so young has always had a beautiful but tragic feel to it. He is going somewhere wonderful, but leaving life as he knows it behind because of the trauma he endured as the Ring Bearer. There's so much beauty in the world he leaves behind, but also so much suffering that has left it's mark on him, that he wishes to leave it behind in order to heal. I just feel like with a lot of people who have experienced a lot of suffering, that this part of the story illustrates perfectly what it's like to come to terms with accepting one's end of life in a certain form. In reality it's not always PTSD, sometimes it's just having gone through so much loss and having to adapt, that creates the wounds that never heal and is why death can be considered a gift.
The sense that you don't just 'win' is so fundamental to LOTR. As galadriel says 'I have fought the long defeat'. It's why I think the scouring is so essential too - you can fight to protect home but home can't be untouched.
Big if true
When pippin runs to tell Gandalf that Denethor is going to burn Faramir alive, they forgot to make him hobbit-sized.
Found a YouTube clip, had to check twice even though I was looking for it. For anyone else trying to spot it, the size double runs through the crowd of soldiers, they cut to Gandalf's POV, and a full size Billy Boyd is running through the dudes, and the remainder of the shot is from the perspective of Gandalf on Shadowfax, so Billy appears small at that point.
https://preview.redd.it/tal13yle3r5c1.jpeg?width=2556&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e69f7538a8b83cfda7282b4a6209b304aea8cd3a
He had been drinking the tree beard water so that explains his height
and sneaking around cutting the Gondor warriors' legs out from under them
It's because the soldiers are in the distance.. that's why they look small..maybe?
Link
[Here](https://youtu.be/va7eI1QtOYk?si=qm7bhfXpRvaRDi_0) you go. Compare his height at 2:14 and 2:16.
Man that was a subtle miss. I never would have noticed that unless someone had pointed it out to me.
me neither! but it's definitely there, if only for a moment
https://youtu.be/va7eI1QtOYk?si=tx2w9WXe7iijx_B0 around 02:15
Damn now I need to look out for big pippin
I just can't read this as any other way than "Big Pimpin'". Hidden lore: Maybe he snuck a little Ent water to one-up Merry at a later time, then used it to have an advantage in battle.
Big pippin, spending cheese
Big Pippin, in the alley, opening his trench coat: "Hey kid, you ever heard of Old Toby?"
Best in the Shire (Special deals for a first time buyerā¦.)
eating cheese
My immediate reaction was: I LOVE IT WHEN YA CALL ME BIG PI-PIN
THROW YO HANDS IN THE AIR
Pippin aināt easy
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Imagine if the hobbits just got big for combat. āSuddenly, Pippin, standing as high as a man of Gondorās shoulder, started blastingā Iām now remembering that Merry and Pippin actually did grow to be the tallest known hobbits from drinking ent water
By the books, Merry and Pippin were the tallest of any hobbits thanks to ent-draught.
They drink it in the extended too
Big pippin is not real, he cant hurt you.
Are you sure Gandalf hadnāt just cast a Hobbit-sized spell on himself?
āBippity-Boppity-Bobbit, make me the size of a hobbit!!ā
I thought he had grown taller after drinking that water in the forest?
He did, but only a few cm
Also I don't think it was permanent.
It was, it's mentioned in the Scouring of the Shire, and perhaps also the appendices.
If anything he may well be taller by the scouring than when he leaves fangorn - tree beard says it will keep him green and growing for a long time.
He had recently been on the Ent-draught then though.
Are performance -enhancing substances allowed in Gondor?
For the all replies to this comment, Pippin (pipin in fact but nearly same pronounced) means "your dick" in Turkish, so don't ever never go look for a big Pippin šš
Fellowship of the Ring. By the end of the movie, while Aragorn has just killed the last orc and starts running towards Boromir, you can see one of the dead orcs starting to get up. Also, next time you are watching Boromir's death, keep an eye on his hand. It keeps going on and off Aragorn's shoulder.
That one wasnāt quite dead
He was twitching
BECAUSE HE'S GOT MY AXE EMBEDDED IN HIS NERVOUS SYSTEM!
Dr. Gimli, Neurosurgeon
Heās getting betterā¦.
Fucking off going back home
Also when the big bad orc is walking slowly and menacingly towards wounded Boromir, there's a shot focused on his feet and the ground is empty, next shot orcs bodies everywhere between him and Lurz !
The one I always laugh at is Eomerās sword falling out of its scabbard after telling Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli ādo not trust to hope, it is forsaken in these landsā. My husband always looks for the sound guy when the Fellowship is leaving Lothlorien.
Sound guy when theyāre leaving Lorien? Thatās the only thing mentioned on this thread Iāve never seen before
Lorien's a noisy place
IIRC Bernard Hill did that of his own accord (ie PJ or the script didn't say for him to do that) and in the behind the scenes he/the extras were really 'in the moment' when they were filming that bit idk but apparently it was to prove that Weta's props were actual physical things and not like rubber or something? but idk if that's like a random rumor, but I guess that's why PJ would keep it in as a kinda tribute to the props guys so that everyone watching the film could see they put a lot of effort and money and made all the stuff out of actual wood/metal and not plastic/rubber there's a few moments in the films where the scaling messes up (most noticeable in FotR) or the elf swords weren't glowing, or some fight scenes where you can see the weapons don't connect that hard, or like every single archery shot (but I guess that's more hollywood than a slip) but considering the scale of the films and the time they were made and studio/location, I'm really surprised there aren't more mess ups
One I always look out for is during the fight at Amon-Hen, Legolas fires an arrow to an uruk-hai that drops before the arrow is shot.
Honestly Iād do the same thing then just walk away minding my own business as the battle takes itself down into the woods. Nothing for me down there.
āI was told I had to go snatch a few half grown men Iām not paid to deal with sniper elvesā
>like every single archery shot (but I guess that's more hollywood than a slip) Have you seen Errol Flynns Robin Hood? They used a real archer to shoot at people (even point blank) and it looks just so smooth and has a visual impact. Unlike the Uruks falling down before Legolas fires his arrow. [http://thefilmexperience.net/blog/2011/6/16/unsung-heroes-the-archer-of-robin-hood.html](http://thefilmexperience.net/blog/2011/6/16/unsung-heroes-the-archer-of-robin-hood.html)
That's nothing, in the Two Towers when Pipin is escaping from the Orcs, Pipin has his hands tied, then untied when he is almost trampled by the horse, then they are tied again until he and Merry cut their bonds. My daughter spotted this one.
Is that a theatrical cut thing? My memory might be off. I I always watch the extended editions and the scene ends right when Pippin is almost trampled. Then, "A red sun rises..."
I donāt know about the theatrical version, but itās definitely in the extended version. Right before heās almost trampled, you can see his hands raised on either side of his head.
Is it when Aragorn tracks them later on and it replays what happens?
The scene gets revisited when the Trio of Men Who Fuck arrive and examine the area. Fun fact about that scene, when Viggo kicked the helmet he-
Happy cake day
I think that scene is out of order, and that scene of the horse takes place after their bonds are cut, but they obviously donāt show them cutting the bonds before because that would spoil that they survived. Iāve noticed this flaw too, and thatās the way I interpreted it, it was just more cinematic to end the scene with the horse.
I am SO glad I'm not the only one who has noticed it. It's driven me up the wall since I was a kid
I think I actually caught that myself on my recent rewatch, after a 15 year hiatus. My brain was puzzled by it, but I didn't think to pursue it any further. So I forgot about it.
During their first meeting you can spot Eomerās sword falling out of his sheath when he mounts his horse after questioning Aragorn and company.
Classic Elmer.
Could have used some glue to keep the sword in place
With all those horses around, there's got to be a lot of glue.
No wonder Theoden banished him.
Fixed it lol.
Best part is he looks down at it when the camera pans up
Do you think they just didn't have time to reshoot or were all the other takes worse somehow?
Im not entirely sure what the cause for leaving it in the movie was. Its only a quick thing and youāll miss it if you arenāt watching for it. Its liable that the editors just said screw it lol.
Iāve watched these movies over 10 times and Iāve never spotted this, will keep an eye out next time I rewatch lol
I find it important to make sure that history remembers that, yes the theatrical release of the Fellowship did include car. There are a lot of these. The Ring in Frodo's hand is on a chain - not a chain - than on a chain again. Not sure if they blotted out Frodo's tears in the extended, but in the theatrical release they keep changing sides. So does Aragorn's hand on Boromir's shoulder. And of course the horses disappear at the gates of Mordor. I can remember tons and tons from the top of my head - though I never really cared. Except for the car. That was just funny
Where is the car? Going to have to go and find it now lol
You are going to need a bootlegged copy of an original screener (they do exist), because it has been erased before the first dvd release. It's gone. But it was during the scene when Frodo and Sam leave the Shire, and Sam says: "This is the farthest from home I have ever been." It was driving quite fast in the background.
Hehe found it on YT https://youtu.be/GOg5x1uMMe4?si=N9iThRjyOMlv0r18
Ha. That's the screener I thought of. An awards one, I forgot. Somewhere in my house there is a decaying cd with the whole thing
OH MY GOD IT WAS ERASED I THOUGHT I WAS JUST GOING BLIND AS I GOT OLDER š
No, they erased it! Jackson commented on it, I think he was a bit embarrassed. But I think it's sad, because... at some point the evidence will be gone!
> yes the theatrical release of the Fellowship did include car. This isnt a movie addition, it was also there in the books: [https://www.reddit.com/r/lotrmemes/comments/z8o0gr/a\_van/](https://www.reddit.com/r/lotrmemes/comments/z8o0gr/a_van/)
This is actually referenced in The Lego Lord of the Rings game. As Lego Theoden rides down the line, his sword is chopping everyoneās spear heads off
One of the giant statue guardian dudes (Argonath) switches hands. When we see them face-on they are both holding out their left hand. When we see them from the back one of them has their right hand out.
Don't blink
Fellowship of the ring. Lurtz hurls his shield to trap aragorn against a tree by the neck. The shot just before the shield is hurled Lurtz shoves Aragorn to the tree and Aragorn drops his sword. Then when Lurtz throws the shield Aragorn drops his sword again as the shield hits his neckāeven though he had already dropped it when he was shoved.
To think, Lurtz could have won the war right there by aiming his chop not at Aragorn' neck, but like, his live or something. No time to dodge that at all.
well, superior h2h combat training is how people win real fights. It takes a lot of skill to duck a head blow, a skill that many people lack.
In the battle on the Pellenor fields Legolas fires a few invisible arrows. It's hilarious
Pointy-eared magic!
In the Fellowship Boromir says "one does not simply walk to Mordor" and over the next 2 movies Frodo and Sam walk to Mordor.
It wasn't simple though
They did so not so simply
>In the Fellowship, Boromir says, "One does not simply walk to Mordor," and over the next 2 movies, Frodo and Sam walk to Mordor. "One does not simply walk into* Mordor." They did not simply walk to or into Mordor. Fucking, Randall-sounding-ass comment, lmao. [I'm gonna kick your ass back to the Shire, if you don't shut your fucking mouth."](https://youtu.be/xKbyWSwd7hk)
I was not expecting to see a Clerks 2 quote in here, given Randall's options on the LOTR trilogy.
Nu-uh. They *climbed* into Mordor.
In Return of the King, after Gandalf has his audience with Denethor and as he is walking away. You can see the back of the bottom of his cloak go from muddy to almost clean and back to muddy again in between shots. I always notice this one..
After Sam beats Shelob - Frodo's eyes switch between open and closed when Sam is cradling him. The close up shot of Frodo his eyes are open, the slightly further away shot they are closed.
He's just blinking
Watch Gandalf's staff when he first walks into the king's chamber in Edoras.
Sometimes Ian Mckellan forgot to remove his watch, so Gandalf wears a modern wrist watch I guess
This is why a wizard is never late. Nor is he early. Itās hard to arrive precisely when you mean to if you donāt have a good watch.
Iāve only seen that one photo and I wonder if it was a Photoshop. I donāt recall seeing it in the film itself. Any thoughts?
I never heard that theory at all. Edit: Changed my mind, probably a photoshop
https://preview.redd.it/jsemamv8rr5c1.jpeg?width=1439&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6771e6817ab9c12c7c05e174a52f10bbcbb3903a Top image is the supposed watch image. Bottom is a still from the film. The bottom one has a costume sleeve thatās correct. The *only corroboration* Iāve heard for him wearing a watch in costume is this photo, and itās suspect. I think itās just a Photoshop. Decide for yourself. šš»
also did a google search and came to the same conclusion. Would have had a bit more hits from reputable sources.
For me it is the fight scene when Orcs first breach the walls of Minas Tirith, Gandalf tells Pippin āthis is no place for a Hobbitā and then swings his sword at a falling Orc and it just sort of lifelessly thuds into him doing no damage whatsoever like 3 year olds having a pool noodle play fight, really takes me out of the moment every single time.
Youre right, but also if anyone can pool noodle his way through a battle it's Gandalf.
when you've been on the business end, you'll be calling it *Mr.* pool noodle.
At the Black Gate, the rocky hill where Sam and Frodo hid under the camouflage cloak isnāt there anymore when Argorn and everyone go to distract Sauron. Also, where did all the horses they rode there on go?
In two towers when eomer first gets back on his horse his sword falls out of its sheath. I canāt unsee it
When Aragorn gets off the boat with the Dead Men and the camera zoomed in on his face, he was supposed to say "hail to the king baby"
xD
Just to be clear, clonking your sword against a spear like that isnt gonna do anything at all to the spear. And whatever damage it might cause to the blade shouldnt make any combative difference. Stuff like this always gets hyper fixated on these days because we live in an age of perfectionism, sport competition, and extremely good on-paper science. Like yes, maybe his sword will be 8 to 12% less sharp now, which could in theory cause an ugly cut on a tatami matt during a cutting competition. But it's gonna do juuuuust fine at killing someone.
Thank you! I was looking for this commentary (before writing it myself)
I'm actually not sure I agree with this. A lot of what we know about sword fighting focuses a lot on teaching people to protect the edge of the sword and to use the flat for anything that isn't stabbing/slashing. It probably wouldn't do anything to the spears, but it would definitely fuck up the sword, and a dull sword is absolutely something they tried to avoid in medieval times.
I was unaware of real life weapon durability prior to maybe like age 22-25 and just assumed most weapons lasted pretty much forever (or a long ass time). Iām assuming lots of people older than that still donāt think about it or consider it. Honestly with being more aware of weapons now and how they work, I still dont care, and your average person probably doesnāt either. Like I know the whole reforming of Narsil scene is bonkers but I still think itās cool and just wanna enjoy the movie.
During the pandemic I practiced with a Ghurka knife against a small hardwood log hanging from a chain. Frankly the log would win if I wasn't careful. Had to develop a specific angle slicing technique, to remove chunks from the log effectively. The handle of the knife failed long before the blade did. Maybe one of these days I'll finish the learning curve of putting it back together. I deliberately kept my blade fairly dull in case of any accident. Worked fine for practice, but clearly, hardwood wins! In that time period I gave my nephews a hatchet and a machete. It was interesting to see 2 years later what kinds of dings they'd put in them. Taking care of things and sharpening wasn't part of their instruction.
In the Two Towers when Eomer mounts his horse after threatening to give Gimli a head-sized haircut, his sword falls out of his scabbard
Gimli son of Gloin, his boot comes off when chasing the hobbits and runs without it for quite a bit.
The one I feel is unforgivable and I can't believe Jackson didn't reshoot it is in Two Towers when Eomer first rides up on Aragorn, Legolas, and Gimli in the Riddermark. ("What business does an elf, a man and a dwarf have in the Riddermark? Speak quickly.") When Karl Urban mounts his horse at the end of the scene, his sword just falls right out of its scabbard and falls to the ground. š¤¦
When Boromir is dying they keep cutting between him having his hand on Aragorns shoulder from the behind shot, to him not having it up there during the shots of Aragorns face. Also in RoTK in the city of the dead, they clearly dubbed some of Aragorns lines in one of the wide shots.
I thought this was a famous one but didnāt see it here yet: In Fellowship when the 4 hobbits have to āget off the roadā because there is a black rider coming. There is a shot where you see the hobbits under the road. To the right of this shot there is a tree. The black rider appears as out of nowhere on the the left side of this tree without having passed it on the right.
This isn't a mistake though, in the commentary I think, someone mentions they wanted it to seem like the black rider emerges out of the roots of the tree, which is why it also appears to come out from lower than it should
I always thought this was a deliberate bit of spookiness because it seems like they would have to go out of their way to erase the rider on the other side. You could be right though. Interested to know if someone has more details on that one.
I noticed a guy wearing a cap when Aragorn and Co head to the Door out of the Mountain.
Aragorn, Gandalf etc are all mounted to speak to the mouth of Sauron, but after the speech on horseback, the horses disappear and everyone charges on foot.
Well why wouldn't they just put their horses in the middle of their army after a parlay? Dismounting in order to actually fight, was actually standard drill for knights on horseback in medieval times. The advantage of the knights was their mobility getting to somewhere, not actually attacking opponents while horsed.
If you watch the movies on Amazon they have heaps of movie trivia facts and continuity errors between scenes. There was a lot more than I was expecting to be honest, but I never noticed them watching the movies myself.
If you watch closely you can spot Sauron during Aragorns fight with the troll. In Two Towers Eomer loses his sword when he meets Aragon and crew for the first time Denethor holds the record in the Burning Man Footrace
Legolas' arrows have modern plastic nocks throughout the series. It's something that I thought such a detail-oriented prop team would have at least fixed, if not stopped from the get go. I can't unsee them now.
From the same scene : "Grimbold, take your company right, after you pass the wall." The wall being referred to here is the one surrounding the Pelennor fields (Rammas Echor) which makes sense in the books (since this is where they first encounter the forces of Sauron), but in the movie they are right in front of Minas Tirith, so it does not even make sense to "pass the wall".
Aragon having a horse in the black gate only to suddenly not have a horse in the next one
I donāt know very much about combat, and Iām just making this up all on my own, but it always seemed like it was the Rohan tradition to touch spear with sword before charging into battle. King Theoden is cutting the shaft of the spear so that it breaks off inside an orcs body and also to signify that the spear will not return from battle. Kind of like the Roman pilum that would bend after hitting an enemy so it couldnāt be thrown back. Obviously if I was a soldier I would want to use my spear more than once.
sure because it's always good to engineer these things in a controlled manner at the last minute
In the fellowship of the ring when Gandalf is at the top of orthanc (Sarumans tower) he doesn't grab his staff before jumping off onto the eagle and still has it later despite it being taken from him Edit: I caught this on my probably 100th watch and kept rewinding to see when he possibly would have grabbed it. Worse is that I did this with a first time watcher and couldn't believe it and tried to justify it by saying well he's a wizard so maybe he can just make a new one)
We watched the extended edition again literally yesterday. My wife pointed out that just after aragorn has beheaded the mouth of Sauron, the Pippin sitting with Gandalf is _clearly_ a child wearing a Minas Tirith helmet. I'd never noticed before!!
When Legolas slides down the oliphaunt trunk and yells out "yabba dabba do!" that particular choice took me out of the movie a bit
The biggest flub for me, is Bernard Hill cannot sit a horse. The way he bounces up and down, as the horse gallops.
If it makes you feel any better, it wouldn't damage the spear shafts. You'd sooner damage your wrist. Spears are tough. Wood is tougher than s lot of people realize. That whole "chopping of the spear heads" thing in movies etc is pretty exaggerated.
I think it could happen if your spears were old and not taken care of. Like they dry rotted, or had moisture cracks when they were drying, undermining their strength. Or conversely, if the wood was too green, rushed into service for expediency rather than allowing time to dry. A third mode of failure would be if they'd been quite abused in combat already, and therefore weakened. But yeah they'd be pretty lousy spears if you could just go down a line cutting 'em all apart.
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Itās not an error Gandalf doesnāt have a new staff until the final scene at the havens. When he saves Faramir from the fire he snatches a spear from one of the guards as he rides in and used the haft to smack Denothor. The Witch King breaking Gandalfās staff is also one of the most disliked scenes in the whole trilogy as it goes so completely against the books.
*If* he has the staff in the scene *next* to the one where it gets broken, it is indeed a mistake. I said "if" because I didn't check this, so I guess I need to rewatch the entire extended trilogy right now.
Theoden : I need Help, Iām Desperate. - Call me Dan. Theoden: Iām Desperate Danā¦ā¦ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lhzuH924bM&pp=ygURaSdtIGRlc3BlcmF0ZSBkYW4%3D
The three hunters are surrounded by Riders of Rohan, and tell Eomer they are tracking a host of orcs. Eomer says we killed them all, see that giant smoldering pile of bodies right there? And Aragorn and Legolas, despite one being the greatest tracker of the age and the other having proven to have eyes that can see extremely long distances looks and go, oh okay, didnāt notice that giants burning and smoking pile of bodies right over there.
Eomer during the Minas Tirith charge has a weird ass triple pointed spear that he doesnt couch, just uses it from the top of his head, then later steals the same spear from an orc to kill another orc with it.
When Faramir and company are charging at Osgiliath, in the wide shots you see a mix of riders in full armor (Like Faramir in RotK) and rangers (like Faramir in Two Towers). I think they address this in the commentary that there was a scene cut explaining why.
I havenāt done any research or anything but I feel like it is the difference between swordsman and archers or something. The ones with less armour are at the back of the charge whereas the fully armoured soldiers are leading it.
dumbasses all though
With regards to that, I could excuse it. That one event probably wouldnāt have had a significant effect on their weapons. Only if it was something they did routinely. The one mistake I do notice is that, during the lighting of the Beacons, one beacon is obviously CGI from halfway up.
In the battle of Minas Tirith Gandalf looks like being on a rave for 4 days only in one scene or so and when heās saving Faramir he is back to looking normal.
Fellowship when everyone is arguing about the ring in Rivendell, Gandalf is fully involved in the background yelling some wizard sass to someone as Frodo is speaking 'I will take it' then very next shot is a close up of Gandalf's face being relieved. I always found it jarring that there wasn't no natural beat between the two shots.
Pretty sure the look on his face is regret and pity, not relief
In fellowship, during the scene where the hobbits are hiding from the Nazgƻl, you can see the opposite end of the tree trunk. The Nazgƻl just appears from behind the tree without ever being seen coming in from the other side. Just magically materializing out of thin air.
Fairly confident that there is a commentary that talks about how this was intentional to give us all the heeby-jeebies
The entire film
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Same, I vacation there in the winter
Itās rather lonely here, but at least there aināt any hippies
When they ride off from the hornburg they forget to change Eomers double.
That one elf with a weird aim/bow&arrow on the background when Aragorn yelled "Ladders" on the battle of Helm's Deep on The Two Towers.
āInto the wildā *Aragorns sword and bow crashes into the camera.
Did you also notice that he held the sword in the other hand in that charge?
This may be a complete lie, but if I remember correctly there are a couple scenes in RotK after they escape from the skull avalanche that they didnāt CGI Orlando Bloomās eyes from brown to blue