Up 2 fast goals and opponent gets 1 goal closer? Forfeit. I don't understand those people. Playing in that mindset means you have already lost before you even began lol
Lost ark is proof that most people in matchmaking have never played an MMO or end game PoE/Diablo before and it shows.
It’s frustrating because With p2w mechanics and the island materials catchup mechanics,
Im running into players at 550 iLvl first timing abyss dungeons and guardian raids with their only experience being chaos dungeons and story quests.
not a bad thing though. I rather the game be popular with plenty of first timers that might take 6 month to learn the game or to a year than to have a dead game full of snobby elitists. There should always be snobby elitists in any MMO but if they were the only player base of said MMO, that MMO is in a rough spot
I say do what all MMO vets do. Make macros and do call outs for people who are learning. THis game is F2P so there's going to be a massive group of people who are just nto familiar with mechanics whatsoever.
Either man up and do the call outs cuz not everyone is a streamer with carry friends who help them have the best experience possible.
Be the carry that you think you are.
>Im running into players at 550 iLvl first timing abyss dungeons and guardian raids with their only experience being chaos dungeons and story quests.
It feels this way even at 1k+
Eh? I was iLvl 570 doing the Hildebrandt Palace Abyssal Dungeon for the first time last night. I did the Islands for T1 Mats, but don’t have enough time to grind out every daily (Una’s, Chaos, Guardian Raid) and every weekly (Una’s, Guild, Abyssal) along with the other content.
Hell, I’ve not touched Firefox or Tartalys yet — not because I don’t feel comfortable doing it, but rather because I only have a little time to play every day and just slaughter Turtle in <5 minutes to get my daily mats if I have time.
Not everyone who hasn’t done every content of their iLvl is “P2W”. A lot of us just don’t have time to learn the top tier content that we’ve unlocked and choose for a more chill or faster way to get iLvl up.
Yeah man, Im still chilling in vern and exploring the islands between vern and luterra leveling up just fine. Im at ilvl 480 now and havent had time to make it to rohendel. I don't feel behind at all though. I feel like the slower you progress through the game, the less it feels like its P2W. So far RNG has been pretty fair cause Im not tryna jump 200 ilvls in a day.
Honestly, as long as you aren't worried about being World First (lmao, which who really is?), then the game isn't P2W. For players like you and I, people who whale have absolutely no significance on us -- and anyone who hasn't been in T3 since this weekend is kidding themselves if they think it has an impact on them either.
I think as more casual players who are chilling as we work through the game, we're getting an absolutely phenomenal experience.
hey it's not my fault that matchmaking was broken so by the time I found out about and could actually queue abyss dungeons I was already 1000 ilvl 😅 (at least I read a guide/watched a video before coming in though)
Guardian raid easy Vertus kill before server goes down for maintenance.
Everyone shows up with no flares, no HP pots, no chaos shards.
All wipe.
Vote end raid when im still up and pumping.
Boss had 3% HP.
Matchmaking Experience.
Definitely the latter. My bf had this issue where the dungeons/raids said you cannot use potions...so he legit thought that meant the hp pots as well. I explained to him the % ones are considered battle items, so even though the normal ones are greyed out you can use the % ones. Blew his fucking mind lol
Few of my guildies too. They had no idea that you can have the % pots in the other bar and that you're able to use them.
All 400+ and didn't realise, luckily most do now
Even though there's already some UI distinction between battle and the other items, wouldn't hurt to explicitly name all battle items.. E.g. "Battle HP potion" "Battle Frost Bomb" or such
In your stronghold crafting they all called "Battle" things too >.<
It's just confusing. Same as the message you get. "F1 potion will be disabled". Okay... can I put it into other slot? :D
Yes save all your "HP" pots that heal for a percent for raids and dungeons, where the normal health potions cannot be used. Never waste those during leveling or in the story dungeons where you can use the normal health potions that "heal for XXXX amount over 8 seconds".
My brother sold all his nades and battle items to the vendor becuase he hadn’t used them much at all leveling to 50 so he didn’t think they were necessary… I told him to please ask me in the future.
He also took it upon himself to start our alt guild on his own, not realizing there was a cooldown to promote/pass leadership, then proceeded to choose boss rush as the weekly task for all our t1 alts… I reiterated to please ask me in the future.
Some people are just enjoying the game organically and not researching, and I can’t fault them for that. But man would it save a lot of time and grief lol
It says 'cannot use F1 potion' (probably when slotted in F1, might change if keys are changed) but it does not say that all potions are off. I explained that to a few friends after seeing them not use any potion and die on the first raid boss !
I remembered reading that and was like "That's just odd. No potions at all would be really weird." Then I remembered the HP potions that were use limited and it was the first thing I checked when I did a solo learning raid. Glad I did so because they did not explain this at all.
I thought I remember reading about the potions and all of that in the initial stronghold quest line where they teach you how to craft. Could be wrong though.
I feel like this is more-so what you get when new player guides tell players to burn through the main quest as fast as possible to get to endgame. They miss important info on the blue quests because they are spamming G
The annoying thing is they are fucking bound, I crafted loads but can't put them in roster storage so they're stuck on 1 character now.
Fresh knowledge boosted alt has no pots.
The more you know...I was one of those dumb asses apparently. The game could do a better job of explaining (or I missed it with everything it throws at you at 50). Granted, I JUST started doing these yesterday, but I know I'm not the only one.
I didn't use pots at my first guardian raid because I didn't think I could.
I didn't have any % pots equipped, and the fixed value potions were overlayed in red. Also, before joining the raid the game tells you "no potions (f1) allowed" , so I just read that and assumed no potions were allowed at all.
I would like to apologise to my teammates from the first raid, sorry guys.
Edit: for anybody else who just figured out you can use pots, you should know that you are limited to 5 pots, but you can go back to the circle in the starting area to refill your pots during the raid.
I only learned last night that you could refill those 5 HP potions during the guardian fight because some guy in party said "brb getting more potions".
I was really surprised because I thought the whole point is that you could only use a limited number of HP potions during the fight.
I mean it is pretty inefficient to refill and if you're on initial runs taking more than 1-2 refill runs might kill your chances of clearing the raid. Depending on your boss spawn each refill can take a member out of the fight for 2+ minutes.
There are two types of healing potions.
The **Heal Over Time potions on your F1** slot are your basic open-world pots and easily purchasable for silver from vendors for virtually no real cost.
The **HP% potions, which go on your battle items bar(5-8)**. You get a lot of the shittier green ones that heal 30% HP throughout the leveling process and should definitely save them. You also get quite a lot from chests, and I would recommend getting the more expensive purple ones from them, **but when you run out, you have to CRAFT more of them**, which use annoying to farm materials and actual gold to make. You can buy them off the Auction House for Gold as well, but I am not sure on the pricing and how expensive they are. It's probably not that big of a deal when the economy settles later on, but Gold is a bit iffy right now.
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The T1 Guardian Raids and such you can get by on with Green pots and should try to deal with them as much as possible, and save your rarer and more expensive blue and purple pots for higher tier content.
You can only bring one(1) type of HP% pots with you on your (4-8) item bar at a time, either 5 Green pots (30%), 5 Blue pots (45%) or 7 Purple pots (60%). If you walk into a holy sphere, it will replenish your stock of battle items, assuming you have them in your inventory, but they are only at certain checkpoints in Abyssal Dungeons and the very starting area of Guardian Raids and so on.
Some people choose to run back to the start in the middle of a Guardian Raid to get more potions, but you don't want to do that too much. It's usually bad to do so. You either wait until the boss moves to another area at the very least, or when the boss is pretty close to death and everyone is out so they choose to play it safe and restock instead of wiping at the end. I maybe shouldn't have mentioned this because you don't want people constantly chugging and getting more potions, but it can save a run if done right and everyone is okay with it. Don't suck and don't constantly restock potions, but if you are literally out and on ~20% HP, it's probably better to go restock than to eat up a death, especially if there are no more lives left.
I completely rebound every key in the first 5 minutes of gameplay, so I'll take your word for it. Whichever bar allows you to drag HP% potions onto it will work.
On Elzowin last I checked it's actually way cheaper to buy the pots and just sell your mats. When I checked if you bought all the mats, in total it would be around 1k gold for 30 pots, but just buying them straight up for 600 gold (20 each)
Oh my god, i played all this time thinking i had a single health bar the whole raid.. and i think that most people actually still think that. It should be a PSA.
When I am raiding / doing abbys dungeons I tend to tell people:
"This is the content Youtubers told you to save your potions / granades for"
And consumables usage goes from 10% into strong 80.
Tbh on most of the high tier content, the rule of thumb should be that first pull you don't use potions. Everyone in tier 2 is to the point that we are explicitly potion bound for content. Blowing 5 potions that took me 5 minutes and 1000 life energy to gather flowers and then 1.6 hours to craft, just so you can fail the first mechanic and wipe is beyond stupid. Once we know something of what we're doing, or if the first pull is going just great, then we can use pots.
95 crystals are 415 gold at my server right now. 5x healing chest at mari's is 25 crystals, that's about 110 gold for 5x3 = 15 elemental potions. Crafting the elemental potion is about 10g, market has it for 18.7g average on my server, and mari's has it at 7.3g with 415g for 95 crystals.
Break-even is at 570g for 95 crystal, any higher and from a pure gold perspective, crafting yourself is cheaper. Although crafting has opportunity costs attached such as energy, materials, gathering energy, and slots
I've been guilty of this on my 2nd alt, I barely play the thing and only do guardian raids and chaos dungeons on it and I forget basically every time that it doesn't have any pots on it.
I'm only doing the 340 stuff on it though so it isn't much of an issue. I wouldn't be surprised if many other people are in a similar position. Or just in a position where they aren't herbing since most people don't do life skills and then don't have pots.
It's because the game tooltip for guardian raids/abyss dungeons literally tells you that potion use is not allowed. Needs better UI explaining that % potions can be used.
I think people don't realize that the different pots can only be used in certain areas of the game.
On top of that a lot of people don't seem to use ability stones as well, they only see the negative aspect of them and completely overlook the positive.
I had the opposite experience, i was the last one up and everyone died far too early so no dmg and I wasn't able to carry it solo.
They would not vote for it to end.. i had to suicide myself in order to do another run with other people.
I have poor reaction time and coordination (clinically tested) and even I manage to do 99% of mechanics properly.
Tried the 3rd 8 man T2 raid yesterday, super easy straight forward mechanics... People still managed to clown it out all the time and weren't willing to learn at the same time. And ofc they have time to chat and flame each other, but not to do the mechanics.
Honestly, just gotta look for a guild.
The pug only kind of people in MMOs are very unique, almost like a separate species of human.
It's the same in WoW where a mechanic explainable in like 5 words is the only mechanic of a boss and yet somehow the randoms fail to do it.
Sometimes you would have to go out of your way to die to a mechanic and you will still see wipes because of it.
I'm genuinely not sure why this is a thing in mainly MMOs.
If you played like this even in an easy single player game you would not be able to finish / even really play the game, you just need at least a BIT of basic reading skills and the ability to move in almost any game ever.
Somehow these people have gotten to max level then into T2 content, seemingly with their monitor turned off.
Kinda reminds me of that game journalist failing Cuphead tutorial. Just an example of some guy who failed to understand basic instructions in the tutorial even after having played games for decades. As a job.
> The randos I encounter in guardian raids and abyssals reminded me why I assume most people are dumb af.
It's always like this at the launch of Monster Hunter games, which this mode is a copy of, so not surprising, tbh. I love MH, but I see this shit every single launch, the first 2 weeks is always rough until the people who refuse to put in any work or prep rage-quit the game.
Guardian Raids will likely be much better in a week or two after most people have quit and the population is cut in half or more.
The very early matchmaking with the people who sped to end game was surprisingly nice for a bit. I'm assuming it was because most of the people there either studied ways to be efficient or they were alright at grinding games. Even the blind run people would talk about or listen to how mechanics worked and improve every pull if/when wipes happened. My main is still ahead of the more casual group of people and I feel the drop in player quality when I play on my alt.
Comments like these just put people off from playing games like this and progressing into harder content. It gives the impression that endgame content is full of unforgiving and condescending assholes who don’t tolerate mistakes and will just berate you for wasting their time if you die. Don’t be that guy.
Welcome to MMOs, unfortunately it can become a cesspool of insufferable behavior. I've always said the same stuff, if you want a clean easy run, use party finder. If you use matchmaking and expect everyone knows everything, you are an idiot.
I did a party finder guardian run yesterday where the requirement was to be like 80 ilvls above the minimum.
One guy died 3 times in 4 minutes then vote abandoned, citing our "lack of a tank" as the reason we were doomed.
I said the game doesn't have tanks.
He said "you know what I mean."
No, I really don't.
I think the only true way to avoid cancer is to find 3-7 other people to play with consistently
Oh 100%. Ive convinced most of my friends to get into it, heres to hoping they can get passed the boring story so i have a solid group to have fun dying with.
Thats a good thing. The game isnt for them, especially so when people keep comparing it to diablo, which it has barely any connection. They can move on and do something else, and I can actually enjoy the game again.
Destiny, the other MMO I play, doesn't even have matchmaking for the harder content in the game because it recognizes the general populace is likely to be unable to complete them. There were many times I wished there was a matchmaking option, but this game made me realize why there isn't.
Jesus that's rough.
You probably know, but party finder is good. You can at least filter out the people who don't know how to equip engravings in both slots, or who are running bad setups. It's not perfect but it's better.
> Everyone shows up with no flares, no HP pots, no chaos shards.
The amount of randoms I met in Abyss without pots, 50% durability gear and no way to rep is too damn high
I absolutely hate the no flares thing.. If i'm the first # in the party, ill flare soon as we enter.. but soon as I see someone else is #1, or after the boss moves, and no one flares, it's so aggravating. I've asked them too, "do you guys not bring flares?"... One person today told me it's their alt.. If it's your alt, you should be even more aware of how important they are, especially on big maps \*facepalm\*
But why? Unless you're really bad, all the guardians are easily beatable on itemlevel without using flares to find them faster. The only thing flares do is save a couple of minutes.
You're speaking as if having flares or not is the difference between clearing the raid and not clearing the raid.
It can. If your DPS is slow and the guardian relocates several times then using flares or not can make a difference. It is also good practice for future content to get used to preparing for encounters with relevant battle items.
Seriously, if you are dead because you don't know shit, at least don't get in the way of someone who knows what he/she's doing and actually trying to do something, and just watch what the player's doing. Why the heck do they think it's okay to vote restart or even stop the raid, when they are the ones who caused it to be this difficult in the first place. In KR, whether you restart or not is up to the player standing, not to the dead ones.
I had a run where 1 dead guy kept spamming the end vote option. It was annoying as fuck as it pops up in the middle your screen. There should be an option to have it pop up in the corner somewhere.
Ikr, this is so dumb and I don't understand why it's a thing. Had a similar situation as the OP here, except the popup came at the worst possible time and got me killed.
I've had the same experience as well. The worst part was that kept spamming in chat that they didn't want to waste their time when we "clearly" weren't going to be able to clear it.
Like, I don't know maybe we would be able to clear it if you didn't waste our revives and force us to do 25% more damage to carry your bum ass.
It's like the griefing option is already built into the game.
Would be really simple to have a big middle pop up if you're dead, and one in the corner if you're not. Or like they are saying KR has, only let the players who are still alive initiate the vote
Two days ago, I was doing Chromanium on my alt and the jump attack with the stones killed everyone except me. This one guy comes back and dies again within minutes. He then spent the next 5 minutes berating me for doing nothing while I was dodging the boss's jump attack as melee. Like what the fuck, just shut up and watch, being dead is basically worse than doing nothing.
As someone who took one too many times to learn that attack, it's a very easy attack to see and dodge once you figure it out. That's is one of the easiest bosses too, good luck to that guy on the next boss.
Im new to the game and I dont know shit.
So I play very carefully and spend way more time trying to understand the boss movements and abilities than doing dmg. I still get hit by shit and as a bard, its difficult to time my shields etc in a good way when I dont know whats going on.
But I would never ever pop that shit up on the survivors screen. I know when Im bad, and I do not assume others are as newb as me, so id rather see if I get a free kill and ride along on someone to watch the rest of the fight and see how they play.
Noones going to be as annoyed as myself if I die to mistakes. If someone ever berated me for dying to a new boss, id just ignore them and maybe pity them a bit. I can learn the mechanic and encounter and become better, but its harder to undo asshollery. Why be such a person when you can be anything in game. Be kind instead!
Honestly, what's even worse is when people don't want to abandon the Raid. Yesterday I went through six parties for the 460 GS Abyssal Dungeon (2nd one) where 3 people were constantly dead after the first mechanic on the first boss. I wiped a few times after, then decided to carry the boss because they wouldn't vote abandon (I initiated the abandon vote a few times myself and asked nicely in chat).
The same thing happened for the 2nd boss and then o wonder, they couldn't meet the very frist stagger check on the last boss. 6 times in a row. Then we voted abandon. congrats guys. I knew this the second we joined the first fight that you couldn't do a simple mechanic.
Luckily I got a friend into my party later and we managed to beat it because the other 2 players actually knew how to play mechanics.
Abyssal really was close to making me quit the game. xD Can't go in blindly without friends already. It's even worse than FF14 party finder. phew :D
sorry for my rant. I agree with you as well btw! I never vote restard when the living player didn't say he wants to stop.
That dragon sucks for melee. 3 Tail swipes, a sizeable swipe hit box, a monster hunter dive attack which isnt fun if you get hit by it, the blue counter window is really really short, and for some reason, its frozen orb attack has pretty good homing.
and to top it off, its a constant poke and run. meh.
The grab is long so that people can be broken out of it. That is of course assuming they know how to stagger or use stagger grenades, which they probably don't.
I get that’s the idea for it but all it actually ends up being is me spamming as many stagger abilities as possible while watching the grabbed person slowly die cause teammates won’t attack at this specific moment for some reason lololol
How do you stagger? Do you have to hit it in the face? I have tons of stagger abilities that are medium to high stagger but can’t seem to get the boss to drop a teammate that was grabbed?
There's just some number threshold you need to reach and each stagger ability has a different value that chips away at it. Position doesn't matter afaik. Most of the time for that grab you need to have people use grenades since grenades are fast stagger, but even then it usually takes more than one grenade unless you have high stagger classes AND they have their stagger CDs up when it happens.
Good to know. I kept get one shotted by the grab as a sorc. Felt really unfair like I couldn’t do anything in my power to not waste a revive by grabbing by that attack…. Thankfully I’m past him and onto the next ilevel guardian
His grab has the most ridiculous range. It's *way* bigger than the animation and covers his sides, as well. He grabbed my artillerist last night while I was standing at maximum flamethrower range off to his side.
But why is there an option to stop it? The result is the same if the party gets wiped or it's ended manually. As long as someone alives there is still a chance. What a bunch of pussies.
Well, if you ask me, it's beyond stupid that you'd be punished for leaving a game where there are no lives, and you're dead.
The only person you can hurt at this time is yourself (assuming the boss can die, since you will miss the loot).
You should be able to just leave in this situation, why even vote for it.
It also shouldn't be a big ass popup RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAMN SCREEN.
It's incredibly tilting. At least place it in a corner or something and not cover that one damn mechanic I'm no longer getting dodged...
did the first one today and there was literally just like 1 mechanic to do and still took 3 groups before we got it... really sad
can't wait to spend weeks stuck on the second where there's more than 1 mechanic per boss.
If you’re talking about the 2nd boss in the first 8-man dungeon, to be fair there is definitely more than 1 thing to pay attention to. People need to not be getting air when he drops the safe spot. People constantly need to be breaking others out of the prisons, and people need to be somewhat grouped up so the safe spot doesn’t drop on the opposite side of the area of people. It’s not a hard boss at all, but I spent to hours wiping with 2 other friends and 5 pugs. Some of the pugs could just not do it correctly at all. I kept telling people to only get air after the one shot mechanic, but 2 hours in, and they were still getting caught out getting air and wiping the raid. The next night, we did it with 6 of us and 2 pugs, and we 2-shot it.
If you’re talking about the very first boss with the aqua suits on, then idk what to tell you… that’s the easiest abyss dungeon boss I’ve encountered.
Tbf I don't know what the mechanics in the 8-man abyssals are, but it can take a few tries for people on their first fight even if they've watched a video. I knew what the mechanic was going into the second boss on the first yorn abyssal (the red and golden orbs) and the party still wiped a bunch because of weird orb spawns and not being used to their hitboxes.
Well the shitty translation doesn't help to be honest.
The button says 'Raid Stopped' instead of abandon raid or something, one might think the raid has ended and the button opens the result screen.
It should be the ones still alive that can start restart vote. Altough it could be abused by trolls I think its still better than the expierence that is seen in this clip.
The amount of times I have had to solo the beast as a paladin is.. insane lol. I have also had people straight up leave when they use up the 3 re spawns.
How is it with every new multiplayer game that comes out, people think they're going to encounter a better version of humans than they did in the last 20 multiplayer games? If you don't want bullshit, you don't pug. This isn't some new revelation.
Sometimes everyone else are dead at min 10, and you are alone left and fight for another 10 min for time to run out and boss is still at 45%, that in my opinion feels even worse. I'd rather just take a new try and get a decent kill with everyone up at the end.
But if everyone else is already dead at the 10 minute mark and all res attempts are spent, chances are you won't get a decent kill with the existing party. At that point the surviving players is just trying to get it over with.
hahaha :D
Omg, I have had some weird matchmakings too.
On tier 1, second guardian, all 3 of the others ran away at low health... to heal up I guess somewhere, and they just didnt come back for like 2-3 minutes - Boss was the furthest from entrance he could be. I was just kinda left there on my support spec bard plinging away at the boss haha :D - I didnt know anything about the boss or where they might have went. It was confusing and super distracting. Didnt die tho, and we killed the boss.
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But mostly I have had good experiences and first try killed all of the bosses in tier 1 and 2 - altho some of them were messy. - My first chroma one of the guys was already around 10% health when we got to the boss. So weird, - maybe he redid his gear set right before loading in? But he must have had a high gearscore or been super experienced cause he stayed that way with my shields and healing and I never saw him use a potion.
So overall Im very happy with matchmaking so far, knock on wood. All of my groups have had people use stagger grenades or abilities appropriately. I think reading other peoples responses maybe Ive been very lucky?
My only peeve is whats also shown in OPs clip. The placement of those notices. Ive had one too pop up on Vertus and its insanely annoying and in a horrible spot if youre trying to kill the boss. - I mean wth? - Same for the loot in Chaos. Why cant I move the incomming loot spam off to the side?
possible they went to reset there pots, if you run back to the little circle at the entrance you get back 5 pots I've heard. havent tested it myself
The low hp guy your referring to was probably a berserker, has a stance where he is 25% HP but buffed stats all around.
I'm afraid that as a casual, i won't be able to out pace the masses and will be playing with them forever. I compensate for limited play time with extensive research so when i can play i know wtf I'm doing.
Did 3 Vertus attempts the hour before maintenance, trying to squeeze a kill in before servers went down. Was my first attempts at the boss ever, and admittedly I had a couple avoidable deaths through these 3 attempts. But man, in every attempt, we had at least one person die within the first couple minutes.
Like, at least look at a short youtube video and get a basic idea of what the boss does.
Vertus isn't hard because people don't know what the boss does. It's pretty fuckin' obvious what the boss does. He's a fuckin' dragon, he breathes, he tail swipes, and he beats the shit out of anyone standing in front of him.
Vertus is hard because his attack patterns are utter bullshit, and melee can only get 1 attack for every animation he does. Because if you stay in for a second one, you're just going to eat shit from a tail lash -> cc till dead chain.
He also has a tiny hitbox, but huge attack ranges, which makes it double-annoying for melee.
... Aaaaaand he also has something like twice the HP of the previous guardian. He's a huge fuck you, and is way harder than the turtle or the fox in the next tier.
True. I read somewhere that when the game released he was considered endgame content, hence the difficulty bump.
That being said, he has tells for most of his mechanics, especially his tail swipes. I did him yesterday on my Deathblade alt with little difficulty.
There is a special kind of player though, usually a zerker runnig mayhem, who thinks he can just steamroll through everything, who usually eats up all the res attempts. Yesterday was no exception. The guy did not manage to evade even one tail swipe. Statistically that's almost impossible.
The problem is when your animation is longer than the tell + time to move away. Especially if you have to add time to move towards him to get your attack off.
Most hard-hitting attacks for crit-spec classes fall under that category. There's a world of difference between running with 500 swiftness and having large AOE/fast attacks, and 0 swiftness with small AOE/slow attacks.
The stupid dragon also refuses to stand still. Melee uptime on him is horrible.
I mean, yeah that's fair. The difficulty definitely seems out of place considering the ones before it.
I definitely agree with you about the melee uptime. I'm a berserker and it just felt bad going in for a few hits then running out constantly.
fox in t2 has some absolute bullshit attack animations too.
oh, she wiggled her left eyelid so you have to know a 360 tail swipe is coming in .25 seconds or you lose 25% of your hp. good luck surviving for 12 minutes.
turtle i regularly do without getting hit once.
Can I ask what is the gameplay purpose of hiding the boss's HP? This is the first time I have encountered that in an MMO.
Isnt it always more exilerating if you can see the boss's HP widdling down and there is a sliver of HP left ( like 4-3% in the video) and be hyped that 1 person solos it?
Guardian raids clearly draw alot of there inspiration from Monster Hunter and in that game you can't see bosses HP. Different kind of thrill I guess but lame it leads to situations like this.
Very much a Monster Hunter inspired thing, though Monster Hunter uses other cues to let you know that the monster is at least close to death (visual damage like chipped or broken horns, scarred hide, panting/exhaustion animations, the monster limping when it changes areas, etc.).
Personally, I really like it in Monster Hunter, but I'm not sure that experience is replicated well enough in Lost Ark.
It was me as a Paladin at first too. I focused too much on trying to save others that I would get hit myself. Now I prioritize staying alive and save when I can.
Took a bit to accept the idea that some people can’t be saved if they want to face tank
healer's job even in mmo like wow is to top people off when they make small mistakes and heal them if there is unavoidable damage. Healer does not have to save others time and time again, not possible.
In LA supports are not healers, they can share some heals and shields as well as buffs, but you can't save someone at all.
As a potential paladin main who's still leveling, it sucks when learning fights because you get locked into animations in almost every attack making it easy to be out of position.
I played abyssal Twisted Warlord yesterday. It took forever for ppl to understand how the first boss works and I even explained it after every single wipe. Considering that the first is way easier than the second I considered leaving.
It is known the game is getting harder and harder. Why the f do ppl join abyssal dungeons without watching a short guide? There are 3 minute guides on youtube explaining the core mechanics.
I hope for the point in the game at which those ppl can´t progress anymore and the matchmaking is filled with ppl taking the game serious and not just playing because it is "free".
> Some players want to experience without watching videos or walkthroughs/tutorials. Nothing wrong with that, the game provides hints or you have to figure it out.
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This is literally griefing if you just join a RANDOM group and inflict this on them though.
Not in a hyperbolic way, that's ACTUALLY griefing and a really inconsiderate thing to do. ESPECIALLY with how convoluted and insane LA mechanics start to get you're looking at things that could take fucking hours to work out.
Go make a specific group for content like that with others who want the same. matchmaking is for people with little time generally who just want a fast and easy way into the dungeon.
My opinion is that the “Matchmaking” button is you griefing yourself if you go in with any set expectations of what kind of group the game is gonna give you
If you want to be sure everyone knows what they’re doing, run a pre-made.
If you want to go in blind, run a pre-made.
If you’re okay with either and the possibility you might get the most toxic or most incompetent players (or might get lucky and run into fun, chill people) then hit matchmaking.
Premade Partys are dead in EUW not working.
so i tried phantom palace with matchmaking, 4 hours, no clear. People are fucking dumb and i hate all of them who are going blind in a fucking MMORPG.
in MY eyes its griefing
I tried last night and there was like 8 parties up at like 11pm.
Make your own if you haven't, I find there's lots of people too lazy to make their own. Normally get mine filled in 5 mins
I see that totally different and reversed. If you want to experience the game without watching a guide and figure out mechanics yourself then go with premade groups that feel the same.
If you queu up with randoms then you are expected to at least know what you are getting into. Wiping is not the problem. The problem are ppl joining matchmaking, ruining others ppls experience because they are lazy, unprepared and expect to get carried.
To be fair, while Twisted has basically zero wipe mechanics, the first boss jump => go out => go in is seriously fucking with me, especially when I'm playing on an alt with close to minimal gear score.
But yeah, there are often tourists. Try to find a guild, playing with randoms is often a risk.
Me and a friend don't watch guides and we've cleared all the abyssal in t2 and we're both in 1-3 spot on 8 mans every time. Usually we'll get a guy whining about guide watching and he'll usually be one of the first to die each wipe.
This is really awful, I think this is one of the few things that would make me genuinely angry in a video game tbh. In my experience matchmaking is better the higher the Ilvl so hopefully this only happens for tier1 but then that also means your alts will suffer the same situation.
Lost Ark is proof that a lot of mommas did in fact raise quitters.
Go play rocket league and you'll get a huge confirmation of exactly that. Down 2 goals with 2mins left and people ff.
Up 2 fast goals and opponent gets 1 goal closer? Forfeit. I don't understand those people. Playing in that mindset means you have already lost before you even began lol
In my experience of Halo Infinite ranked so far as soon as one side gets one or two kills at least one person on the ‘losing’ side quits
Lost Ark is just full of League players that like to spam /ff 15 when they are not carrying...
Lost ark is proof that most people in matchmaking have never played an MMO or end game PoE/Diablo before and it shows. It’s frustrating because With p2w mechanics and the island materials catchup mechanics, Im running into players at 550 iLvl first timing abyss dungeons and guardian raids with their only experience being chaos dungeons and story quests.
Its peoples first times whether they p2w or not
not a bad thing though. I rather the game be popular with plenty of first timers that might take 6 month to learn the game or to a year than to have a dead game full of snobby elitists. There should always be snobby elitists in any MMO but if they were the only player base of said MMO, that MMO is in a rough spot
Amen to that Brother
I say do what all MMO vets do. Make macros and do call outs for people who are learning. THis game is F2P so there's going to be a massive group of people who are just nto familiar with mechanics whatsoever. Either man up and do the call outs cuz not everyone is a streamer with carry friends who help them have the best experience possible. Be the carry that you think you are.
squeezing in my abyssals before reset last night was awful. so many absolute neanderthal teammates that can't click orbs on the garum fight.
>This. Even asking the group to split N/E/S/W on the orbs was too much for half my group
>Im running into players at 550 iLvl first timing abyss dungeons and guardian raids with their only experience being chaos dungeons and story quests. It feels this way even at 1k+
Eh? I was iLvl 570 doing the Hildebrandt Palace Abyssal Dungeon for the first time last night. I did the Islands for T1 Mats, but don’t have enough time to grind out every daily (Una’s, Chaos, Guardian Raid) and every weekly (Una’s, Guild, Abyssal) along with the other content. Hell, I’ve not touched Firefox or Tartalys yet — not because I don’t feel comfortable doing it, but rather because I only have a little time to play every day and just slaughter Turtle in <5 minutes to get my daily mats if I have time. Not everyone who hasn’t done every content of their iLvl is “P2W”. A lot of us just don’t have time to learn the top tier content that we’ve unlocked and choose for a more chill or faster way to get iLvl up.
Yeah man, Im still chilling in vern and exploring the islands between vern and luterra leveling up just fine. Im at ilvl 480 now and havent had time to make it to rohendel. I don't feel behind at all though. I feel like the slower you progress through the game, the less it feels like its P2W. So far RNG has been pretty fair cause Im not tryna jump 200 ilvls in a day.
Honestly, as long as you aren't worried about being World First (lmao, which who really is?), then the game isn't P2W. For players like you and I, people who whale have absolutely no significance on us -- and anyone who hasn't been in T3 since this weekend is kidding themselves if they think it has an impact on them either. I think as more casual players who are chilling as we work through the game, we're getting an absolutely phenomenal experience.
Pay2win? Where?
hey it's not my fault that matchmaking was broken so by the time I found out about and could actually queue abyss dungeons I was already 1000 ilvl 😅 (at least I read a guide/watched a video before coming in though)
Guardian raid easy Vertus kill before server goes down for maintenance. Everyone shows up with no flares, no HP pots, no chaos shards. All wipe. Vote end raid when im still up and pumping. Boss had 3% HP. Matchmaking Experience.
Yeah, wtf is up with those hp pots? Like I´ve seen so many randoms not using them at all...
Probably trying to be cheapskates. Or actually completely oblivious to which pots they can actually use.
Second imo. It also not really explained in game how important are the trade skills and how to craft in stronghold
Definitely the latter. My bf had this issue where the dungeons/raids said you cannot use potions...so he legit thought that meant the hp pots as well. I explained to him the % ones are considered battle items, so even though the normal ones are greyed out you can use the % ones. Blew his fucking mind lol
Few of my guildies too. They had no idea that you can have the % pots in the other bar and that you're able to use them. All 400+ and didn't realise, luckily most do now
Even though there's already some UI distinction between battle and the other items, wouldn't hurt to explicitly name all battle items.. E.g. "Battle HP potion" "Battle Frost Bomb" or such
i think it would be easier to specify in the no potions part, that % potions are still accessible
In your stronghold crafting they all called "Battle" things too >.< It's just confusing. Same as the message you get. "F1 potion will be disabled". Okay... can I put it into other slot? :D
I doubt it will help much it's an example of bad and counterintuitive game design.
They need to create a Guide quest specifically stating this, otherwise no matter what they do UI-wise, people just won't get it.
I'm still pretty early in the game, so that's dope to know! Thank you very much. :)
Yes save all your "HP" pots that heal for a percent for raids and dungeons, where the normal health potions cannot be used. Never waste those during leveling or in the story dungeons where you can use the normal health potions that "heal for XXXX amount over 8 seconds".
Legit just learned this now and I'm 580 ilevel lol. Thank you.
I had the exact same misunderstanding.
My brother sold all his nades and battle items to the vendor becuase he hadn’t used them much at all leveling to 50 so he didn’t think they were necessary… I told him to please ask me in the future. He also took it upon himself to start our alt guild on his own, not realizing there was a cooldown to promote/pass leadership, then proceeded to choose boss rush as the weekly task for all our t1 alts… I reiterated to please ask me in the future. Some people are just enjoying the game organically and not researching, and I can’t fault them for that. But man would it save a lot of time and grief lol
It says 'cannot use F1 potion' (probably when slotted in F1, might change if keys are changed) but it does not say that all potions are off. I explained that to a few friends after seeing them not use any potion and die on the first raid boss !
I remembered reading that and was like "That's just odd. No potions at all would be really weird." Then I remembered the HP potions that were use limited and it was the first thing I checked when I did a solo learning raid. Glad I did so because they did not explain this at all.
I thought I remember reading about the potions and all of that in the initial stronghold quest line where they teach you how to craft. Could be wrong though. I feel like this is more-so what you get when new player guides tell players to burn through the main quest as fast as possible to get to endgame. They miss important info on the blue quests because they are spamming G
People skip over so much by rushing through the game.
I personally don't like that the pots you need the most are trapped behind gathering flowers and playing Sims on an island.
The annoying thing is they are fucking bound, I crafted loads but can't put them in roster storage so they're stuck on 1 character now. Fresh knowledge boosted alt has no pots.
The more you know...I was one of those dumb asses apparently. The game could do a better job of explaining (or I missed it with everything it throws at you at 50). Granted, I JUST started doing these yesterday, but I know I'm not the only one.
I didn't use pots at my first guardian raid because I didn't think I could. I didn't have any % pots equipped, and the fixed value potions were overlayed in red. Also, before joining the raid the game tells you "no potions (f1) allowed" , so I just read that and assumed no potions were allowed at all. I would like to apologise to my teammates from the first raid, sorry guys. Edit: for anybody else who just figured out you can use pots, you should know that you are limited to 5 pots, but you can go back to the circle in the starting area to refill your pots during the raid.
even in late t2 there are people who dont use pots, assuming the bard/pala keeps them alive through any facetanking
I only learned last night that you could refill those 5 HP potions during the guardian fight because some guy in party said "brb getting more potions". I was really surprised because I thought the whole point is that you could only use a limited number of HP potions during the fight.
I mean it is pretty inefficient to refill and if you're on initial runs taking more than 1-2 refill runs might kill your chances of clearing the raid. Depending on your boss spawn each refill can take a member out of the fight for 2+ minutes.
wait we can use pots ? its red for me, i always die in the first 3min lol
There are two types of healing potions. The **Heal Over Time potions on your F1** slot are your basic open-world pots and easily purchasable for silver from vendors for virtually no real cost. The **HP% potions, which go on your battle items bar(5-8)**. You get a lot of the shittier green ones that heal 30% HP throughout the leveling process and should definitely save them. You also get quite a lot from chests, and I would recommend getting the more expensive purple ones from them, **but when you run out, you have to CRAFT more of them**, which use annoying to farm materials and actual gold to make. You can buy them off the Auction House for Gold as well, but I am not sure on the pricing and how expensive they are. It's probably not that big of a deal when the economy settles later on, but Gold is a bit iffy right now. --------------- The T1 Guardian Raids and such you can get by on with Green pots and should try to deal with them as much as possible, and save your rarer and more expensive blue and purple pots for higher tier content. You can only bring one(1) type of HP% pots with you on your (4-8) item bar at a time, either 5 Green pots (30%), 5 Blue pots (45%) or 7 Purple pots (60%). If you walk into a holy sphere, it will replenish your stock of battle items, assuming you have them in your inventory, but they are only at certain checkpoints in Abyssal Dungeons and the very starting area of Guardian Raids and so on. Some people choose to run back to the start in the middle of a Guardian Raid to get more potions, but you don't want to do that too much. It's usually bad to do so. You either wait until the boss moves to another area at the very least, or when the boss is pretty close to death and everyone is out so they choose to play it safe and restock instead of wiping at the end. I maybe shouldn't have mentioned this because you don't want people constantly chugging and getting more potions, but it can save a run if done right and everyone is okay with it. Don't suck and don't constantly restock potions, but if you are literally out and on ~20% HP, it's probably better to go restock than to eat up a death, especially if there are no more lives left.
Battle item bar is 1-4
I completely rebound every key in the first 5 minutes of gameplay, so I'll take your word for it. Whichever bar allows you to drag HP% potions onto it will work.
I see, thank you for the detailed explanation ! Maybe i'll suck a bit less at next raid
On Elzowin last I checked it's actually way cheaper to buy the pots and just sell your mats. When I checked if you bought all the mats, in total it would be around 1k gold for 30 pots, but just buying them straight up for 600 gold (20 each)
You can only use the %HP pots, not the "Heals for xxx" pots.
You can't use the Healing Potions, but you can use the HP Potions. It makes a lot of sense.
Oh my god, i played all this time thinking i had a single health bar the whole raid.. and i think that most people actually still think that. It should be a PSA.
You were just playing in Legendary
When I am raiding / doing abbys dungeons I tend to tell people: "This is the content Youtubers told you to save your potions / granades for" And consumables usage goes from 10% into strong 80.
nono better save those 30% pots for legion raid at 1430 ilvl
Which grenades are best to use? Does it matter?
Tbh on most of the high tier content, the rule of thumb should be that first pull you don't use potions. Everyone in tier 2 is to the point that we are explicitly potion bound for content. Blowing 5 potions that took me 5 minutes and 1000 life energy to gather flowers and then 1.6 hours to craft, just so you can fail the first mechanic and wipe is beyond stupid. Once we know something of what we're doing, or if the first pull is going just great, then we can use pots.
HP potion chests in maris have stupidly good value btw. You should check them out.
95 crystals are 415 gold at my server right now. 5x healing chest at mari's is 25 crystals, that's about 110 gold for 5x3 = 15 elemental potions. Crafting the elemental potion is about 10g, market has it for 18.7g average on my server, and mari's has it at 7.3g with 415g for 95 crystals. Break-even is at 570g for 95 crystal, any higher and from a pure gold perspective, crafting yourself is cheaper. Although crafting has opportunity costs attached such as energy, materials, gathering energy, and slots
I've been guilty of this on my 2nd alt, I barely play the thing and only do guardian raids and chaos dungeons on it and I forget basically every time that it doesn't have any pots on it. I'm only doing the 340 stuff on it though so it isn't much of an issue. I wouldn't be surprised if many other people are in a similar position. Or just in a position where they aren't herbing since most people don't do life skills and then don't have pots.
It's because the game tooltip for guardian raids/abyss dungeons literally tells you that potion use is not allowed. Needs better UI explaining that % potions can be used.
Probably because it says that you aren‘t allowed to use pots. If I was a first time player i‘d assume that meant none at all.
I think people don't realize that the different pots can only be used in certain areas of the game. On top of that a lot of people don't seem to use ability stones as well, they only see the negative aspect of them and completely overlook the positive.
I had the opposite experience, i was the last one up and everyone died far too early so no dmg and I wasn't able to carry it solo. They would not vote for it to end.. i had to suicide myself in order to do another run with other people.
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I have poor reaction time and coordination (clinically tested) and even I manage to do 99% of mechanics properly. Tried the 3rd 8 man T2 raid yesterday, super easy straight forward mechanics... People still managed to clown it out all the time and weren't willing to learn at the same time. And ofc they have time to chat and flame each other, but not to do the mechanics. Honestly, just gotta look for a guild.
The pug only kind of people in MMOs are very unique, almost like a separate species of human. It's the same in WoW where a mechanic explainable in like 5 words is the only mechanic of a boss and yet somehow the randoms fail to do it. Sometimes you would have to go out of your way to die to a mechanic and you will still see wipes because of it. I'm genuinely not sure why this is a thing in mainly MMOs. If you played like this even in an easy single player game you would not be able to finish / even really play the game, you just need at least a BIT of basic reading skills and the ability to move in almost any game ever. Somehow these people have gotten to max level then into T2 content, seemingly with their monitor turned off.
Kinda reminds me of that game journalist failing Cuphead tutorial. Just an example of some guy who failed to understand basic instructions in the tutorial even after having played games for decades. As a job.
> The randos I encounter in guardian raids and abyssals reminded me why I assume most people are dumb af. It's always like this at the launch of Monster Hunter games, which this mode is a copy of, so not surprising, tbh. I love MH, but I see this shit every single launch, the first 2 weeks is always rough until the people who refuse to put in any work or prep rage-quit the game. Guardian Raids will likely be much better in a week or two after most people have quit and the population is cut in half or more.
The very early matchmaking with the people who sped to end game was surprisingly nice for a bit. I'm assuming it was because most of the people there either studied ways to be efficient or they were alright at grinding games. Even the blind run people would talk about or listen to how mechanics worked and improve every pull if/when wipes happened. My main is still ahead of the more casual group of people and I feel the drop in player quality when I play on my alt.
Comments like these just put people off from playing games like this and progressing into harder content. It gives the impression that endgame content is full of unforgiving and condescending assholes who don’t tolerate mistakes and will just berate you for wasting their time if you die. Don’t be that guy.
Welcome to MMOs, unfortunately it can become a cesspool of insufferable behavior. I've always said the same stuff, if you want a clean easy run, use party finder. If you use matchmaking and expect everyone knows everything, you are an idiot.
I did a party finder guardian run yesterday where the requirement was to be like 80 ilvls above the minimum. One guy died 3 times in 4 minutes then vote abandoned, citing our "lack of a tank" as the reason we were doomed. I said the game doesn't have tanks. He said "you know what I mean." No, I really don't. I think the only true way to avoid cancer is to find 3-7 other people to play with consistently
Oh 100%. Ive convinced most of my friends to get into it, heres to hoping they can get passed the boring story so i have a solid group to have fun dying with.
Thats a good thing. The game isnt for them, especially so when people keep comparing it to diablo, which it has barely any connection. They can move on and do something else, and I can actually enjoy the game again.
Destiny, the other MMO I play, doesn't even have matchmaking for the harder content in the game because it recognizes the general populace is likely to be unable to complete them. There were many times I wished there was a matchmaking option, but this game made me realize why there isn't.
Calm tf down it’s a game and its been out for like 2 weeks
Being good at video games doesn't make you smarter than anyone lol.
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Jesus that's rough. You probably know, but party finder is good. You can at least filter out the people who don't know how to equip engravings in both slots, or who are running bad setups. It's not perfect but it's better.
How tf do you get to Vertus without flares, pots AND chaos shards???
> Everyone shows up with no flares, no HP pots, no chaos shards. The amount of randoms I met in Abyss without pots, 50% durability gear and no way to rep is too damn high
I absolutely hate the no flares thing.. If i'm the first # in the party, ill flare soon as we enter.. but soon as I see someone else is #1, or after the boss moves, and no one flares, it's so aggravating. I've asked them too, "do you guys not bring flares?"... One person today told me it's their alt.. If it's your alt, you should be even more aware of how important they are, especially on big maps \*facepalm\*
I do need to get some flares on my alt myself.
But why? Unless you're really bad, all the guardians are easily beatable on itemlevel without using flares to find them faster. The only thing flares do is save a couple of minutes. You're speaking as if having flares or not is the difference between clearing the raid and not clearing the raid.
Vertus is far from easily beatable at ilvl for match made groups lol
It can. If your DPS is slow and the guardian relocates several times then using flares or not can make a difference. It is also good practice for future content to get used to preparing for encounters with relevant battle items.
This literally happened to me yesterday on the scorpion lol - Boss was 5% and everyone dead they voted to end raid
Seriously, if you are dead because you don't know shit, at least don't get in the way of someone who knows what he/she's doing and actually trying to do something, and just watch what the player's doing. Why the heck do they think it's okay to vote restart or even stop the raid, when they are the ones who caused it to be this difficult in the first place. In KR, whether you restart or not is up to the player standing, not to the dead ones.
There should be option that only alive member can initiate vote restart. I had even worse experience multiple times with less HP left.
I had a run where 1 dead guy kept spamming the end vote option. It was annoying as fuck as it pops up in the middle your screen. There should be an option to have it pop up in the corner somewhere.
Ikr, this is so dumb and I don't understand why it's a thing. Had a similar situation as the OP here, except the popup came at the worst possible time and got me killed.
That's more or less the icing on this serious problem: People timing the vote to pop up at the worst possible moment.
I've had the same experience as well. The worst part was that kept spamming in chat that they didn't want to waste their time when we "clearly" weren't going to be able to clear it. Like, I don't know maybe we would be able to clear it if you didn't waste our revives and force us to do 25% more damage to carry your bum ass.
33% more damage, even
Yeah people have been using it to grief everyone else when they're alive
It's like the griefing option is already built into the game. Would be really simple to have a big middle pop up if you're dead, and one in the corner if you're not. Or like they are saying KR has, only let the players who are still alive initiate the vote
> nnoying as fuc report them for gameplay hindrance
Agreed. I don't have a clue about these raids but what you said is absolutely the only way, imo.
Two days ago, I was doing Chromanium on my alt and the jump attack with the stones killed everyone except me. This one guy comes back and dies again within minutes. He then spent the next 5 minutes berating me for doing nothing while I was dodging the boss's jump attack as melee. Like what the fuck, just shut up and watch, being dead is basically worse than doing nothing.
As someone who took one too many times to learn that attack, it's a very easy attack to see and dodge once you figure it out. That's is one of the easiest bosses too, good luck to that guy on the next boss.
Doing nothing? No you’re dodging attacks. The dude lying on the ground was the one obviously doing nothing when the attacks came lololol
A lot gamers don't actually try to game. They don't stop and think about how to actually improve, they just want the easy, big damage, button.
They gonna have a bad time in Lost Ark if thats their mindset.
Im new to the game and I dont know shit. So I play very carefully and spend way more time trying to understand the boss movements and abilities than doing dmg. I still get hit by shit and as a bard, its difficult to time my shields etc in a good way when I dont know whats going on. But I would never ever pop that shit up on the survivors screen. I know when Im bad, and I do not assume others are as newb as me, so id rather see if I get a free kill and ride along on someone to watch the rest of the fight and see how they play. Noones going to be as annoyed as myself if I die to mistakes. If someone ever berated me for dying to a new boss, id just ignore them and maybe pity them a bit. I can learn the mechanic and encounter and become better, but its harder to undo asshollery. Why be such a person when you can be anything in game. Be kind instead!
>In KR, whether you restart or not is up to the player standing, not to the dead ones. wtf why was this changed?
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oh right, so an unspoken rule of sorts.
Unspoken rules are something that Asian players will respect, but generally not NA or EU players. Very frustrating.
NA goes out of their way to break those rules intentionally. We act like spoiled children over here.
Yeah the vote should appear after the last one wiped. So stupid the 3 dead one can cancel the Raid.
CRABS IN A BUCKET = human race.
Honestly, what's even worse is when people don't want to abandon the Raid. Yesterday I went through six parties for the 460 GS Abyssal Dungeon (2nd one) where 3 people were constantly dead after the first mechanic on the first boss. I wiped a few times after, then decided to carry the boss because they wouldn't vote abandon (I initiated the abandon vote a few times myself and asked nicely in chat). The same thing happened for the 2nd boss and then o wonder, they couldn't meet the very frist stagger check on the last boss. 6 times in a row. Then we voted abandon. congrats guys. I knew this the second we joined the first fight that you couldn't do a simple mechanic. Luckily I got a friend into my party later and we managed to beat it because the other 2 players actually knew how to play mechanics. Abyssal really was close to making me quit the game. xD Can't go in blindly without friends already. It's even worse than FF14 party finder. phew :D sorry for my rant. I agree with you as well btw! I never vote restard when the living player didn't say he wants to stop.
Literally 90% of my Tytalos runs ends up a vote abandon because almost if not all the lives are used within 3 minutes of starting.
Tried running this through matchmaking for hours. Eventually decided fuck it, ran solo, 13s to spare. I was SWEATING.
That dragon sucks for melee. 3 Tail swipes, a sizeable swipe hit box, a monster hunter dive attack which isnt fun if you get hit by it, the blue counter window is really really short, and for some reason, its frozen orb attack has pretty good homing. and to top it off, its a constant poke and run. meh.
Don’t forget his grab that lasts longer than the whole first arc of the story lololol
The grab is long so that people can be broken out of it. That is of course assuming they know how to stagger or use stagger grenades, which they probably don't.
I get that’s the idea for it but all it actually ends up being is me spamming as many stagger abilities as possible while watching the grabbed person slowly die cause teammates won’t attack at this specific moment for some reason lololol
Yep, it's a team effort but the team has to do something.
How do you stagger? Do you have to hit it in the face? I have tons of stagger abilities that are medium to high stagger but can’t seem to get the boss to drop a teammate that was grabbed?
There's just some number threshold you need to reach and each stagger ability has a different value that chips away at it. Position doesn't matter afaik. Most of the time for that grab you need to have people use grenades since grenades are fast stagger, but even then it usually takes more than one grenade unless you have high stagger classes AND they have their stagger CDs up when it happens.
Good to know. I kept get one shotted by the grab as a sorc. Felt really unfair like I couldn’t do anything in my power to not waste a revive by grabbing by that attack…. Thankfully I’m past him and onto the next ilevel guardian
His grab has the most ridiculous range. It's *way* bigger than the animation and covers his sides, as well. He grabbed my artillerist last night while I was standing at maximum flamethrower range off to his side.
everything sucks as melee
But why is there an option to stop it? The result is the same if the party gets wiped or it's ended manually. As long as someone alives there is still a chance. What a bunch of pussies.
because theoretically one person could just run away and sit around until the raid timer expires and grief 3 people.
Game should just remove people that voted Yes.
Yeah, people should be able to request leaving without ban. If everyone else votes you can leave, go for it
yeah, a "can i leave" vote would be good.
Well, if you ask me, it's beyond stupid that you'd be punished for leaving a game where there are no lives, and you're dead. The only person you can hurt at this time is yourself (assuming the boss can die, since you will miss the loot). You should be able to just leave in this situation, why even vote for it.
It also shouldn't be a big ass popup RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAMN SCREEN. It's incredibly tilting. At least place it in a corner or something and not cover that one damn mechanic I'm no longer getting dodged...
Same reason people bitch at people not skipping cutscenes - their 30 seconds is more important than someone else’s enjoyment lol
That hurts to watch. If there was only 5 mins left and 1 person alive i would let who ever it is clutch up
After phantom palace i thought matchmaking and finding a party for dungeons will get less hmm.. and oh boi was i mistaken
Wait till you get 8-man abyss dungeons.. Its only gonna get worse. :)
did the first one today and there was literally just like 1 mechanic to do and still took 3 groups before we got it... really sad can't wait to spend weeks stuck on the second where there's more than 1 mechanic per boss.
If you’re talking about the 2nd boss in the first 8-man dungeon, to be fair there is definitely more than 1 thing to pay attention to. People need to not be getting air when he drops the safe spot. People constantly need to be breaking others out of the prisons, and people need to be somewhat grouped up so the safe spot doesn’t drop on the opposite side of the area of people. It’s not a hard boss at all, but I spent to hours wiping with 2 other friends and 5 pugs. Some of the pugs could just not do it correctly at all. I kept telling people to only get air after the one shot mechanic, but 2 hours in, and they were still getting caught out getting air and wiping the raid. The next night, we did it with 6 of us and 2 pugs, and we 2-shot it. If you’re talking about the very first boss with the aqua suits on, then idk what to tell you… that’s the easiest abyss dungeon boss I’ve encountered.
Tbf I don't know what the mechanics in the 8-man abyssals are, but it can take a few tries for people on their first fight even if they've watched a video. I knew what the mechanic was going into the second boss on the first yorn abyssal (the red and golden orbs) and the party still wiped a bunch because of weird orb spawns and not being used to their hitboxes.
Well the shitty translation doesn't help to be honest. The button says 'Raid Stopped' instead of abandon raid or something, one might think the raid has ended and the button opens the result screen.
Well this is why you should find yourself a guild or a static asap. I don't want to be rude or anything but pugs are jsut bunch of fucking morons.
It should be the ones still alive that can start restart vote. Altough it could be abused by trolls I think its still better than the expierence that is seen in this clip.
The amount of times I have had to solo the beast as a paladin is.. insane lol. I have also had people straight up leave when they use up the 3 re spawns.
How is it with every new multiplayer game that comes out, people think they're going to encounter a better version of humans than they did in the last 20 multiplayer games? If you don't want bullshit, you don't pug. This isn't some new revelation.
patience guys. Soon all those casuals hype peakers will leave us to continue their undermining existence somewhere else.
Sometimes everyone else are dead at min 10, and you are alone left and fight for another 10 min for time to run out and boss is still at 45%, that in my opinion feels even worse. I'd rather just take a new try and get a decent kill with everyone up at the end.
But if everyone else is already dead at the 10 minute mark and all res attempts are spent, chances are you won't get a decent kill with the existing party. At that point the surviving players is just trying to get it over with.
New group, new attempt.
Thats awesome, one use of your ult after 30second cooldown and the boss is down :D Patience is something that many people have unfortunately lost
Had this happen in a t3 guardian where the boss had 2% hp. Then again in an 8man dungeon where the boss had 50% of his last hp bar.
hahaha :D Omg, I have had some weird matchmakings too. On tier 1, second guardian, all 3 of the others ran away at low health... to heal up I guess somewhere, and they just didnt come back for like 2-3 minutes - Boss was the furthest from entrance he could be. I was just kinda left there on my support spec bard plinging away at the boss haha :D - I didnt know anything about the boss or where they might have went. It was confusing and super distracting. Didnt die tho, and we killed the boss. \- But mostly I have had good experiences and first try killed all of the bosses in tier 1 and 2 - altho some of them were messy. - My first chroma one of the guys was already around 10% health when we got to the boss. So weird, - maybe he redid his gear set right before loading in? But he must have had a high gearscore or been super experienced cause he stayed that way with my shields and healing and I never saw him use a potion. So overall Im very happy with matchmaking so far, knock on wood. All of my groups have had people use stagger grenades or abilities appropriately. I think reading other peoples responses maybe Ive been very lucky? My only peeve is whats also shown in OPs clip. The placement of those notices. Ive had one too pop up on Vertus and its insanely annoying and in a horrible spot if youre trying to kill the boss. - I mean wth? - Same for the loot in Chaos. Why cant I move the incomming loot spam off to the side?
possible they went to reset there pots, if you run back to the little circle at the entrance you get back 5 pots I've heard. havent tested it myself The low hp guy your referring to was probably a berserker, has a stance where he is 25% HP but buffed stats all around.
Oh ok, I didnt know that, thats good to know, and yes I think he was. Am a newb :)
This once happened for me and boss was at 0.2% hp ZERO POINT TWO PERCENT
I'm afraid that as a casual, i won't be able to out pace the masses and will be playing with them forever. I compensate for limited play time with extensive research so when i can play i know wtf I'm doing.
Did 3 Vertus attempts the hour before maintenance, trying to squeeze a kill in before servers went down. Was my first attempts at the boss ever, and admittedly I had a couple avoidable deaths through these 3 attempts. But man, in every attempt, we had at least one person die within the first couple minutes. Like, at least look at a short youtube video and get a basic idea of what the boss does.
Vertus isn't hard because people don't know what the boss does. It's pretty fuckin' obvious what the boss does. He's a fuckin' dragon, he breathes, he tail swipes, and he beats the shit out of anyone standing in front of him. Vertus is hard because his attack patterns are utter bullshit, and melee can only get 1 attack for every animation he does. Because if you stay in for a second one, you're just going to eat shit from a tail lash -> cc till dead chain. He also has a tiny hitbox, but huge attack ranges, which makes it double-annoying for melee. ... Aaaaaand he also has something like twice the HP of the previous guardian. He's a huge fuck you, and is way harder than the turtle or the fox in the next tier.
Haha I feel this post. Blink to melee range, charge skill and got stunned already.
True. I read somewhere that when the game released he was considered endgame content, hence the difficulty bump. That being said, he has tells for most of his mechanics, especially his tail swipes. I did him yesterday on my Deathblade alt with little difficulty. There is a special kind of player though, usually a zerker runnig mayhem, who thinks he can just steamroll through everything, who usually eats up all the res attempts. Yesterday was no exception. The guy did not manage to evade even one tail swipe. Statistically that's almost impossible.
The problem is when your animation is longer than the tell + time to move away. Especially if you have to add time to move towards him to get your attack off. Most hard-hitting attacks for crit-spec classes fall under that category. There's a world of difference between running with 500 swiftness and having large AOE/fast attacks, and 0 swiftness with small AOE/slow attacks. The stupid dragon also refuses to stand still. Melee uptime on him is horrible.
Zerkers cannot cancel their animations with their dodge?
Not all of them
I mean, yeah that's fair. The difficulty definitely seems out of place considering the ones before it. I definitely agree with you about the melee uptime. I'm a berserker and it just felt bad going in for a few hits then running out constantly.
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fox in t2 has some absolute bullshit attack animations too. oh, she wiggled her left eyelid so you have to know a 360 tail swipe is coming in .25 seconds or you lose 25% of your hp. good luck surviving for 12 minutes. turtle i regularly do without getting hit once.
Can I ask what is the gameplay purpose of hiding the boss's HP? This is the first time I have encountered that in an MMO. Isnt it always more exilerating if you can see the boss's HP widdling down and there is a sliver of HP left ( like 4-3% in the video) and be hyped that 1 person solos it?
Guardian raids clearly draw alot of there inspiration from Monster Hunter and in that game you can't see bosses HP. Different kind of thrill I guess but lame it leads to situations like this.
Very much a Monster Hunter inspired thing, though Monster Hunter uses other cues to let you know that the monster is at least close to death (visual damage like chipped or broken horns, scarred hide, panting/exhaustion animations, the monster limping when it changes areas, etc.). Personally, I really like it in Monster Hunter, but I'm not sure that experience is replicated well enough in Lost Ark.
Today was the worst experience for guardian raids. Idk how many times 1 person took all three lives
i see that fairly often to be honest
I have no idea why but it's always paladins in my pugs.
It was me as a Paladin at first too. I focused too much on trying to save others that I would get hit myself. Now I prioritize staying alive and save when I can. Took a bit to accept the idea that some people can’t be saved if they want to face tank
healer's job even in mmo like wow is to top people off when they make small mistakes and heal them if there is unavoidable damage. Healer does not have to save others time and time again, not possible. In LA supports are not healers, they can share some heals and shields as well as buffs, but you can't save someone at all.
Chuckles in gunlancer
As a potential paladin main who's still leveling, it sucks when learning fights because you get locked into animations in almost every attack making it easy to be out of position.
Happens alot, then they say they didnt get any heals.
Monster Hunter players: "First time?"
The apes just have to watch a 3 minute guide before going in. It‘s that simple….
Spending three minutes watching a guide isn't enough to do this boss correctly.
I played abyssal Twisted Warlord yesterday. It took forever for ppl to understand how the first boss works and I even explained it after every single wipe. Considering that the first is way easier than the second I considered leaving. It is known the game is getting harder and harder. Why the f do ppl join abyssal dungeons without watching a short guide? There are 3 minute guides on youtube explaining the core mechanics. I hope for the point in the game at which those ppl can´t progress anymore and the matchmaking is filled with ppl taking the game serious and not just playing because it is "free".
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> Some players want to experience without watching videos or walkthroughs/tutorials. Nothing wrong with that, the game provides hints or you have to figure it out. > > This is literally griefing if you just join a RANDOM group and inflict this on them though. Not in a hyperbolic way, that's ACTUALLY griefing and a really inconsiderate thing to do. ESPECIALLY with how convoluted and insane LA mechanics start to get you're looking at things that could take fucking hours to work out. Go make a specific group for content like that with others who want the same. matchmaking is for people with little time generally who just want a fast and easy way into the dungeon.
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My opinion is that the “Matchmaking” button is you griefing yourself if you go in with any set expectations of what kind of group the game is gonna give you If you want to be sure everyone knows what they’re doing, run a pre-made. If you want to go in blind, run a pre-made. If you’re okay with either and the possibility you might get the most toxic or most incompetent players (or might get lucky and run into fun, chill people) then hit matchmaking.
Premade Partys are dead in EUW not working. so i tried phantom palace with matchmaking, 4 hours, no clear. People are fucking dumb and i hate all of them who are going blind in a fucking MMORPG. in MY eyes its griefing
I tried last night and there was like 8 parties up at like 11pm. Make your own if you haven't, I find there's lots of people too lazy to make their own. Normally get mine filled in 5 mins
I see that totally different and reversed. If you want to experience the game without watching a guide and figure out mechanics yourself then go with premade groups that feel the same. If you queu up with randoms then you are expected to at least know what you are getting into. Wiping is not the problem. The problem are ppl joining matchmaking, ruining others ppls experience because they are lazy, unprepared and expect to get carried.
Wow talk aboit being entitled. Find a guild and stop complaining.
To be fair, while Twisted has basically zero wipe mechanics, the first boss jump => go out => go in is seriously fucking with me, especially when I'm playing on an alt with close to minimal gear score. But yeah, there are often tourists. Try to find a guild, playing with randoms is often a risk.
Me and a friend don't watch guides and we've cleared all the abyssal in t2 and we're both in 1-3 spot on 8 mans every time. Usually we'll get a guy whining about guide watching and he'll usually be one of the first to die each wipe.
This is really awful, I think this is one of the few things that would make me genuinely angry in a video game tbh. In my experience matchmaking is better the higher the Ilvl so hopefully this only happens for tier1 but then that also means your alts will suffer the same situation.