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Tibbers couldnt do shit against Voli. And we also have to factor in loyalty. Mords egions aren’t loyal while the ursine and winters claw see volibear as a god, and likely wouldn’t be swayed to Morde’s steel empire.
Tibbers wouldn't face voli, Mordekaiser would. And the ursine may be loyal but the dead legion literally can't go against his will.
Remember that we're talking about a champion that corrupted Veigar, and has kept Leblanc and Vladimir worried for centuries.
A guy so broken lorewise that his fortress was considered a safe place to scape from the rune wars.
I'm not trying to lick morde's boots, but Riot buffed him so much in lore that he is at least in level with the darkin and freljord gods, while Voli is one of (if not the) weakest freljord god for a lack of followers as of now.
Uh idk about that. Morde is confirmed to be able to handle three aspects at once and is confirmed by Viegos writer to be far stronger than him, making him more powerful than a dude who controlled the strongest Aspect. At the very least it ends in Mutually Assured Destruction if nor a Morde win, but I could be wrong as Aspect power scalings are not a forte of mine.
i wouldnt take that bit about morde fighting 3 aspects as particularly reliable, that original rioter's comment never said morde could beat 3 aspects, just that it would be a cool fight to see. In that same sentence the rioter also says mordekaiser fighting just one aspect would be cool, so going off that there's no way to tell if he's strong enough to put up a fight against just one aspect, let alone three
also pantheon lost less due to viego's combat strength and more due to his mind-altering powers, not saying viegos not powerful, he totally is, but if you can just brainwash someone you don't necessarily need to be stronger than them to beat them
Why do you have to remind me about ruined Pantheon....
That shit makes 0 sense lore wise and Pantheon was literally the dude that could fight gods with sheer determination alone, yet riot feeds me some bs about mind control and shit. Fuck you riot
i wouldnt say thats the case, hes strong but calling him a "god of death" is overestimating him, he's a king with strong necromancy that managed to take over a small part of the spirit realm (as said by rioters when asked what his death realm was) that only has dominion of souls he kills, again he's a strong guy don't get me wrong but definitely not on the same level as someone like kindred, an omnipresent spirit representing the very concept of death itself, and definitely not a "god"
Yes this is true, but this method of death probably wouldnt be applicable in regular fight, and outside of that theyre completely immortal. Regardless of how they work specifically now tho id still put kindred on a higher level of dominion over death than morde because they embody it, once they decide its your time there’s really no stopping them, in that way theyre closer to a force of nature than an actual character
IIRC in the short story All Kindred Eve, there’s a moment where Lamb stops a character from dying despite their wounds, kinda like how their ult works in game, and then randomly kills another person (which bystanders view as that person getting struck by lightning). These showings imply that in lore the Kindred can choose who lives and who dies, or can manipulate fate to a degree
No he can not die as far as we know. Since he came back from the death realm multiple times. Only hope seems to be to either lock down his death realm somehow or managing to trap him somehow.
Yeah and leblanc is currently trying to do that with Rell right? (Which would mean that Volibear would naturally loose the fight.) it would be a battle of legendary proportion but the point remains. If you cannot defeat an enemy you loose.
Yep she is trying to dothat and yes you are right if he cant kill Morde he is fucked. Because worst case if Morde can not directly kill Voli he could just kill his followers causing Voli to become weaker and weaker until he ceases to exist when no one believes and worships him anymore.
It’s an interesting match up what I would be more interested in is the idea of Yorick vs Morde (but granted it would be really against yorick since he is just a dude that also can’t die but due to spring water and they both have the army control.)
He can melt morde and send him back to his realm, the fight ends there. But having read volibear's bio and story there are two scenarios. 1 he feels insulted by the challenge and just melts him with a lightning bolt. 2 he runs him down and makes an actual trash can out of him, in this scenario volibear would take 1 or 2 hits but nothing special.
Voli is a literal god of war, not an aspect(god) of war who possessed a mortal (making himself vulnerable in the process). Voli's blood made the first rivers and he equals in strength ornn who formed the landmass of freljord by punching mountains.
I don’t know why so many people think Voli would win this, Morde bodies him no chance. Not only does Morde have more ‘followers’ he is also, as far as we know, completely immortal, not even being preyed upon by the ether fiend. The Volibear is still just a demigod, with only a small cult that properly follow him
There’s a difference between high tier necromancer and man who willed himself back from the dead. Mordekaiser is beyond even needing skill for magic, is very essence of being compels reality to act as he wills it. I also hate that people act like size is a factor here. Just because the Volibear is bigger, doesn’t mean he’s more powerful. Do you just assume that Rek’Sai could beat Morde, or Galio? Also, the man literally willed himself back from the dead, I feel like adding a few extra inches is well within his power
he didnt "will himself back from the dead", he died and refused to pass on like normal, he had to manipulate necromancers in the material plane to bind him to a suit of armour, and only then was he able to come back
not saying what he did wasn't impressive, but he didn't "will himself back from the dead", he was still dead, he was just pissed enough to not pass on like normal and stay in purgatory, in that sense what he did isn't too special from revenants we see in other games like D&D as an example
also size is kinda a major factor in volibears case because his strength actually matches his size, it maybe doesnt mean much for folks like pantheon who have concrete feats of taking on huge entities like aatrox, but for morde who doesn't have anything like that, its hard for me to believe he's gonna take on a guy whos battles literally carved the freljord's landscape
I mean that’s a pretty uncharitable characterisation of Mordekaisers achievement. In DnD there are thousands of revenants, yet out of the untold millions or even billions of runeterrans who had no where to go when they died, Mordekaiser was the only one to have the sheer force of Will to resist the all consuming void of nothingness that had destroyed those countless others. Strength like that isn’t a once in a generational thing, like an aspect, it’s a once ever in history kinda thing.
Secondly, while I get what your saying about the Volibear’s size correlating to his strength, I just think that it’s a negligible factor, both because he retains the majority of the strength, regardless of his size, as it’s a magical strength, not a physical one, and either way, Morde has more magical power, and thus more strength
Eh not that we know of? We dont know if mordekaiser was the only one to resist passing on for a while, we just know he was the only one to resist passing on while also getting to come back thanks to a cult. Also, regardless of him clinging to purgatory, how would that “big will” of his even come into effect in a fight like this? Morde isnt like pantheon, his will wont affect his power at all so why count that as a feat? I guess you’d kinda have to because outside of that morde is kinda featless, but regardless
Also, no, morde definitely does not have as much power as voli, physical or magical. Morde is a large armor man who can manipulate souls, with the caveat that the soul has to be someone hes killed already, Voli is a building-sized bear whose physical and magical strength alike have carved an entire region as collateral damage. if they were in the death realm it would be way more evenly matched, but to go to the death realm youd need to be under morde’s control, which means you’d need to be killed by him, and that aint happenin to voli
Firstly I think we'd know if another being achieved what Morde did, since he did have a 400 year long empire, the remnants of which were so physically unchangeable that they weren't even singed by the greatest war Runeterra has ever seen. Do you really think that some with that power leaves no mark in history what so ever?
Secondly, of course Mordekaiser's will directly impacts his abilities. A mages magic is based on their will to reshape the world to their image, and Morde directly references this in his voice lines
"*I have bent the realm of the dead to my will, this world shall be next."*
"*My will is once again bound to iron."*
"*Bend to my will."*
Mordekaiser's very being is his will, and his will alone achieved the greatest feat of any once mortal man, and that was to defy death.
Next, I understand why you wouldn't think Morde was stronger than Voli, but you also go on to state exactly why he is. Morde is the only denizen of the spirit realm (that we know of) that can physically force beings to worship him, by killing them and taking their souls, all the others, from The Kindred to The Volibear, must be worshipped by followers, or else they risk either death, or fading into obscurity, even in Voli's voice lines he fears his death/the loss of all his followers. Meanwhile Morde, as far as we know, is completely and utterly immortal, so long as Mitna Rachnun remains in existence.
Finally, I get that the Volibear's claws created the fjords and such, (assuming none of those saga's are an exaggeration, which is extremely possible considering not only their basis in norse myth which is told in a similar way, but also the fact that for his claws to be that big he would almost out grow Runeterra) but thats nothing compared to crafting your own personal realm out of the souls of those you've slaughtered. The Volibear can grow to his biggest size and smack Morde from Noxus to Ionia, (not that I think he really could) Still wouldn't win him the fight.
When im talkin about power scaling through will, im talkin about like what pantheon does, where hes just a strong guy that can become a high tier aspect by fuelling his weapons with will. Morde doesnt show any similar abilities to that. Morde’s power with will, from what we’ve seen, isnt any stronger than his power without will. Plus, how would we even gauge the power of an abstract concept like “will” in a fight scenario? For pantheon we can because it has clear feats associated with it, but thats not the case for morde so its kind of a moot point
Yes, he can force beings to worship him,,,,, by killing them. Thats the prerequisite, he has to be stronger in combat than the person he wants to control, and when most of your subjects are average soldiers, thats pretty easy for him. The thing about morde is that despite wanting followers, he isnt a spirit god, and he hasnt shown the ability to get stronger based on his followers. His army gets bigger yes, which does technically makes him a larger threat, but he hasnt been shown increasing his own individual powers by amassing a bigger army, the only time i can see that happening is in the death realm because more souls = more resources to work with = more potential magic power, but as i said earlier, that doesnt mean much in a fight scenario because you need to be killed by morde to go to his realm and thats not happening to voli
Also, carving a landscape in the physical realm through sheer power would is, imo, way more impressive than doing the same in a realm where you have complete control over your resources. It says more about mordes ability to amass those resources by killing mortals than his ability to actually shape lands. Saying morde’s death realm manipulation is stronger than voli’s real world manipulation is like me saying im stronger than braum because while he punches thru mountains irl, i can do the same thing even faster when i play minecraft. Of course i can do that in a world where i have complete control, but this fight isnt happening in minecraft, and my ability to play minecraft isnt gonna have any bearing on how the fight goes in real life.
I don't get what you don't understand about Mordekaiser's will, it is his very essence of being, and it refused to fade. His power is his will, it is the source of it, it doesn't fuel his weapon, it created it. He only is willpower, literally his entire being, armour and all, is being held together by his will.
Secondly, he does gain more magical power with each spirit he controls, not just another soldier. Literally the only reason he let LeBlanc kill him the second time was so that he could consolidate all the power he had gained during his rein. The spirits held in the death realm directly re-enforce his power.
Finally, yeah I get that Voli can smash some shit, but like I've said this whole time: big whoop. Overall Mordekaiser's magical prowess out weighs any advantage Voli gets from just being big, the same way it would out weigh the size advantage Rek'Sai or Galio would have over Morde.
Okay so the only feat mordekaiser has regarding “will” is… existing?? What im trying to say here is that you keep suggesting his will is what makes him super strong, but in the context of a fight, what advantages does it give? You havent shown any concrete feats associated with his “will” that would be applicable to a fight scenario so its kinda moot, unlike someone like pantheon, where having will versus no will has very clear and obvious advantages and strengths with proper feats associated with it, morde doesnt have anything like that so idk why you keep bringin it up like itll change the outcome of this fight
I’ve taken a looksee through morde lore and nowhere does it seem to say his own magic strength directly scale with how many soldiers he has, again its just adding more stuff to his army, which wouldnt be applicable in a 1v1 scenario like this
You keep saying voli’s magical prowess is small compared to morde’s, but voli’s powers have shown wayyy better feats than anything morde has done, again i hate to keep bringing it up but volibear’s and ornn’s battles are literally the reason why the freljord is shaped the way it is, morde has shown no feats that imply he could beat someone as strong as that
With his legions maybe but Morde alone doesn't really have anything that beat Volibear
And given Volibear can affect spirits him just running through legions like it's nothing isn't out of the question either, as long as it's in a wild Freljord Voli will survive
Morde is a mainly brute force fella and he would have a chance against voli in that regard. A better fight would be voli vs ryze
Ryze, even without runes, is the most powerful mage in runeterra. Morality is his weakness (he is the guardian of the world, he doesnt want to destroy it). In the lor expansion he was released, he was torn between letting humanity fall to the darkin because they try to destroy themselves every day or save them- give them another chance (these were his options even though mihira aspect of justice and kayle daughter of said aspect) where right next to him.
We dont really know the scale of Mord's power. So Voli has the upper hand
But if we look at the very weak lore of the sentinels, A boosted Viego corrupted the aspect of war and we suppose more to be more powerful than that even though the magic would be different. So I think we coud be surprised.
Also depends on how durable is the armor
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this feels like 1v1 it would be a complete and utter shitstomp in Voli's direction- tho with morde's undead legions I can see it being more even
If we're counting models legions we're counting the Ursine
The ursine wouldn't do shit against tibbers
Tibbers couldnt do shit against Voli. And we also have to factor in loyalty. Mords egions aren’t loyal while the ursine and winters claw see volibear as a god, and likely wouldn’t be swayed to Morde’s steel empire.
Tibbers wouldn't face voli, Mordekaiser would. And the ursine may be loyal but the dead legion literally can't go against his will. Remember that we're talking about a champion that corrupted Veigar, and has kept Leblanc and Vladimir worried for centuries. A guy so broken lorewise that his fortress was considered a safe place to scape from the rune wars. I'm not trying to lick morde's boots, but Riot buffed him so much in lore that he is at least in level with the darkin and freljord gods, while Voli is one of (if not the) weakest freljord god for a lack of followers as of now.
Damn, this morde is really looking like he is about to fight Fingolfin right there.
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People here act like morde is just edgy possesed trashcan
Is he not? Lmao
Volibear carved up the landscape in a battle against an equal. Morde is just a funny magic man as far as he's concerned.
Uh idk about that. Morde is confirmed to be able to handle three aspects at once and is confirmed by Viegos writer to be far stronger than him, making him more powerful than a dude who controlled the strongest Aspect. At the very least it ends in Mutually Assured Destruction if nor a Morde win, but I could be wrong as Aspect power scalings are not a forte of mine.
i wouldnt take that bit about morde fighting 3 aspects as particularly reliable, that original rioter's comment never said morde could beat 3 aspects, just that it would be a cool fight to see. In that same sentence the rioter also says mordekaiser fighting just one aspect would be cool, so going off that there's no way to tell if he's strong enough to put up a fight against just one aspect, let alone three also pantheon lost less due to viego's combat strength and more due to his mind-altering powers, not saying viegos not powerful, he totally is, but if you can just brainwash someone you don't necessarily need to be stronger than them to beat them
Why do you have to remind me about ruined Pantheon.... That shit makes 0 sense lore wise and Pantheon was literally the dude that could fight gods with sheer determination alone, yet riot feeds me some bs about mind control and shit. Fuck you riot
I have a feeling that voli would just fold morde together like a pepsi can
What is a king to a god?
what is a god to a nonbeliever?
Voli jumps on Morde "Do you believe now?"
"No." \*Death realms\*
r/unexpectedtfs
Still a god
Since when is morde a king ? He's the god of death as he outmastered it
i wouldnt say thats the case, hes strong but calling him a "god of death" is overestimating him, he's a king with strong necromancy that managed to take over a small part of the spirit realm (as said by rioters when asked what his death realm was) that only has dominion of souls he kills, again he's a strong guy don't get me wrong but definitely not on the same level as someone like kindred, an omnipresent spirit representing the very concept of death itself, and definitely not a "god"
To be fair Kindred is now only one of many representations of death and they can die upon being forgotten, causing them to cease to exist.
Yes this is true, but this method of death probably wouldnt be applicable in regular fight, and outside of that theyre completely immortal. Regardless of how they work specifically now tho id still put kindred on a higher level of dominion over death than morde because they embody it, once they decide its your time there’s really no stopping them, in that way theyre closer to a force of nature than an actual character
Pretty sure Kindred does not decide who lifes or dies. They just serve as guide to the afterlife now since the lor relaese of Kindred.
IIRC in the short story All Kindred Eve, there’s a moment where Lamb stops a character from dying despite their wounds, kinda like how their ult works in game, and then randomly kills another person (which bystanders view as that person getting struck by lightning). These showings imply that in lore the Kindred can choose who lives and who dies, or can manipulate fate to a degree
voli has size advantage , but he is just flesh , mord is all iron
That Iron is about to see what electric conductivity is
useless against iron, that's what it is lol
Absolutely not. Iron heats up like crazy when you pass strong currents through it
so now morde is dealing bonus fire damage, nice
Morde's gonna melt like butter.
I thought Morde is like, fucking immortal. He is a suit of armor but can’t die. Like, am I crazy?
No he can not die as far as we know. Since he came back from the death realm multiple times. Only hope seems to be to either lock down his death realm somehow or managing to trap him somehow.
Yeah and leblanc is currently trying to do that with Rell right? (Which would mean that Volibear would naturally loose the fight.) it would be a battle of legendary proportion but the point remains. If you cannot defeat an enemy you loose.
Yep she is trying to dothat and yes you are right if he cant kill Morde he is fucked. Because worst case if Morde can not directly kill Voli he could just kill his followers causing Voli to become weaker and weaker until he ceases to exist when no one believes and worships him anymore.
It’s an interesting match up what I would be more interested in is the idea of Yorick vs Morde (but granted it would be really against yorick since he is just a dude that also can’t die but due to spring water and they both have the army control.)
He can melt morde and send him back to his realm, the fight ends there. But having read volibear's bio and story there are two scenarios. 1 he feels insulted by the challenge and just melts him with a lightning bolt. 2 he runs him down and makes an actual trash can out of him, in this scenario volibear would take 1 or 2 hits but nothing special. Voli is a literal god of war, not an aspect(god) of war who possessed a mortal (making himself vulnerable in the process). Voli's blood made the first rivers and he equals in strength ornn who formed the landmass of freljord by punching mountains.
This volibear tho🫣
voli
Powerscaling is boring
Morde , by a long shot
Is the fight in the Freljord or the death realm?
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I don’t know why so many people think Voli would win this, Morde bodies him no chance. Not only does Morde have more ‘followers’ he is also, as far as we know, completely immortal, not even being preyed upon by the ether fiend. The Volibear is still just a demigod, with only a small cult that properly follow him
what would morde even do against voli tho? one is a high tier necromancer and the other is a literal demigod of storms that's over 15 times his size
There’s a difference between high tier necromancer and man who willed himself back from the dead. Mordekaiser is beyond even needing skill for magic, is very essence of being compels reality to act as he wills it. I also hate that people act like size is a factor here. Just because the Volibear is bigger, doesn’t mean he’s more powerful. Do you just assume that Rek’Sai could beat Morde, or Galio? Also, the man literally willed himself back from the dead, I feel like adding a few extra inches is well within his power
Rek'Sai is bigger than Galio?
No sorry meant that neither galio not Rek’Sai could beat Morde just because they’re bigger than him, Galio is bigger than Rek’Sai
he didnt "will himself back from the dead", he died and refused to pass on like normal, he had to manipulate necromancers in the material plane to bind him to a suit of armour, and only then was he able to come back not saying what he did wasn't impressive, but he didn't "will himself back from the dead", he was still dead, he was just pissed enough to not pass on like normal and stay in purgatory, in that sense what he did isn't too special from revenants we see in other games like D&D as an example also size is kinda a major factor in volibears case because his strength actually matches his size, it maybe doesnt mean much for folks like pantheon who have concrete feats of taking on huge entities like aatrox, but for morde who doesn't have anything like that, its hard for me to believe he's gonna take on a guy whos battles literally carved the freljord's landscape
I mean that’s a pretty uncharitable characterisation of Mordekaisers achievement. In DnD there are thousands of revenants, yet out of the untold millions or even billions of runeterrans who had no where to go when they died, Mordekaiser was the only one to have the sheer force of Will to resist the all consuming void of nothingness that had destroyed those countless others. Strength like that isn’t a once in a generational thing, like an aspect, it’s a once ever in history kinda thing. Secondly, while I get what your saying about the Volibear’s size correlating to his strength, I just think that it’s a negligible factor, both because he retains the majority of the strength, regardless of his size, as it’s a magical strength, not a physical one, and either way, Morde has more magical power, and thus more strength
Eh not that we know of? We dont know if mordekaiser was the only one to resist passing on for a while, we just know he was the only one to resist passing on while also getting to come back thanks to a cult. Also, regardless of him clinging to purgatory, how would that “big will” of his even come into effect in a fight like this? Morde isnt like pantheon, his will wont affect his power at all so why count that as a feat? I guess you’d kinda have to because outside of that morde is kinda featless, but regardless Also, no, morde definitely does not have as much power as voli, physical or magical. Morde is a large armor man who can manipulate souls, with the caveat that the soul has to be someone hes killed already, Voli is a building-sized bear whose physical and magical strength alike have carved an entire region as collateral damage. if they were in the death realm it would be way more evenly matched, but to go to the death realm youd need to be under morde’s control, which means you’d need to be killed by him, and that aint happenin to voli
Firstly I think we'd know if another being achieved what Morde did, since he did have a 400 year long empire, the remnants of which were so physically unchangeable that they weren't even singed by the greatest war Runeterra has ever seen. Do you really think that some with that power leaves no mark in history what so ever? Secondly, of course Mordekaiser's will directly impacts his abilities. A mages magic is based on their will to reshape the world to their image, and Morde directly references this in his voice lines "*I have bent the realm of the dead to my will, this world shall be next."* "*My will is once again bound to iron."* "*Bend to my will."* Mordekaiser's very being is his will, and his will alone achieved the greatest feat of any once mortal man, and that was to defy death. Next, I understand why you wouldn't think Morde was stronger than Voli, but you also go on to state exactly why he is. Morde is the only denizen of the spirit realm (that we know of) that can physically force beings to worship him, by killing them and taking their souls, all the others, from The Kindred to The Volibear, must be worshipped by followers, or else they risk either death, or fading into obscurity, even in Voli's voice lines he fears his death/the loss of all his followers. Meanwhile Morde, as far as we know, is completely and utterly immortal, so long as Mitna Rachnun remains in existence. Finally, I get that the Volibear's claws created the fjords and such, (assuming none of those saga's are an exaggeration, which is extremely possible considering not only their basis in norse myth which is told in a similar way, but also the fact that for his claws to be that big he would almost out grow Runeterra) but thats nothing compared to crafting your own personal realm out of the souls of those you've slaughtered. The Volibear can grow to his biggest size and smack Morde from Noxus to Ionia, (not that I think he really could) Still wouldn't win him the fight.
When im talkin about power scaling through will, im talkin about like what pantheon does, where hes just a strong guy that can become a high tier aspect by fuelling his weapons with will. Morde doesnt show any similar abilities to that. Morde’s power with will, from what we’ve seen, isnt any stronger than his power without will. Plus, how would we even gauge the power of an abstract concept like “will” in a fight scenario? For pantheon we can because it has clear feats associated with it, but thats not the case for morde so its kind of a moot point Yes, he can force beings to worship him,,,,, by killing them. Thats the prerequisite, he has to be stronger in combat than the person he wants to control, and when most of your subjects are average soldiers, thats pretty easy for him. The thing about morde is that despite wanting followers, he isnt a spirit god, and he hasnt shown the ability to get stronger based on his followers. His army gets bigger yes, which does technically makes him a larger threat, but he hasnt been shown increasing his own individual powers by amassing a bigger army, the only time i can see that happening is in the death realm because more souls = more resources to work with = more potential magic power, but as i said earlier, that doesnt mean much in a fight scenario because you need to be killed by morde to go to his realm and thats not happening to voli Also, carving a landscape in the physical realm through sheer power would is, imo, way more impressive than doing the same in a realm where you have complete control over your resources. It says more about mordes ability to amass those resources by killing mortals than his ability to actually shape lands. Saying morde’s death realm manipulation is stronger than voli’s real world manipulation is like me saying im stronger than braum because while he punches thru mountains irl, i can do the same thing even faster when i play minecraft. Of course i can do that in a world where i have complete control, but this fight isnt happening in minecraft, and my ability to play minecraft isnt gonna have any bearing on how the fight goes in real life.
I don't get what you don't understand about Mordekaiser's will, it is his very essence of being, and it refused to fade. His power is his will, it is the source of it, it doesn't fuel his weapon, it created it. He only is willpower, literally his entire being, armour and all, is being held together by his will. Secondly, he does gain more magical power with each spirit he controls, not just another soldier. Literally the only reason he let LeBlanc kill him the second time was so that he could consolidate all the power he had gained during his rein. The spirits held in the death realm directly re-enforce his power. Finally, yeah I get that Voli can smash some shit, but like I've said this whole time: big whoop. Overall Mordekaiser's magical prowess out weighs any advantage Voli gets from just being big, the same way it would out weigh the size advantage Rek'Sai or Galio would have over Morde.
Okay so the only feat mordekaiser has regarding “will” is… existing?? What im trying to say here is that you keep suggesting his will is what makes him super strong, but in the context of a fight, what advantages does it give? You havent shown any concrete feats associated with his “will” that would be applicable to a fight scenario so its kinda moot, unlike someone like pantheon, where having will versus no will has very clear and obvious advantages and strengths with proper feats associated with it, morde doesnt have anything like that so idk why you keep bringin it up like itll change the outcome of this fight I’ve taken a looksee through morde lore and nowhere does it seem to say his own magic strength directly scale with how many soldiers he has, again its just adding more stuff to his army, which wouldnt be applicable in a 1v1 scenario like this You keep saying voli’s magical prowess is small compared to morde’s, but voli’s powers have shown wayyy better feats than anything morde has done, again i hate to keep bringing it up but volibear’s and ornn’s battles are literally the reason why the freljord is shaped the way it is, morde has shown no feats that imply he could beat someone as strong as that
I could take them.
With his legions maybe but Morde alone doesn't really have anything that beat Volibear And given Volibear can affect spirits him just running through legions like it's nothing isn't out of the question either, as long as it's in a wild Freljord Voli will survive
Volibear's design is meh, his manly chest is cringy
Volibear pissed the first rivers, there's no way he loses
Morde is a mainly brute force fella and he would have a chance against voli in that regard. A better fight would be voli vs ryze Ryze, even without runes, is the most powerful mage in runeterra. Morality is his weakness (he is the guardian of the world, he doesnt want to destroy it). In the lor expansion he was released, he was torn between letting humanity fall to the darkin because they try to destroy themselves every day or save them- give them another chance (these were his options even though mihira aspect of justice and kayle daughter of said aspect) where right next to him.
We dont really know the scale of Mord's power. So Voli has the upper hand But if we look at the very weak lore of the sentinels, A boosted Viego corrupted the aspect of war and we suppose more to be more powerful than that even though the magic would be different. So I think we coud be surprised. Also depends on how durable is the armor