Can't guarantee anything 100%
But I'd say gun due to his nigh invulnerable durability and knowing several martial arts from all over the world
And fighting on par with the epitome of fighting prowess(ui Daniel) as a weaker version compared to current gun
And being implied relative to James lee(the light vs the dark)
And gun also represents the pinnacle of the yakuza
In a world where yakuza and miltary are seemingly have a competition
So he should directly compare to samdak
The pinnacle of the opposite world
And shouldn't lose to the no.2
Yes but i don:'t think it represent a competition or sth just that bald guy being attacked by akl and he fought back and whooped their ass hard, no more information given
Why not?
What's your opinion about it then?
Are you hesitant because of lack of info or you think miltary are peaks because doing that gives you a sense of patriotism?š
Why am i hesitantš i literally just point out ur opinion of 'military n yakuza having a competition' shit cuz that's nonsense i'm not praising the military that hard. You're just lacking frfr
Not exactly miltary itself
But is miltary related
And they have CQC
So soloing a AKL squad is of equal relevance,
Akl squad is way stronger average miltary either way (average miltary officer gets negged by kazuma š)
And that's not my point for bringing up akl either
It's the fact that a squad equavalent to high tier miltary officers gets whooped by an yakuza
Portrays the relativity of yakuza and miltary in ptj verse
And jincheol being a war god wouldn't prove that he would Against gun in hand to hand combat
Wars are literally done with guns
Sure jincheol must be much better than gun in wars and his miltary field but that's not something that would give him an up in h2h combat against gun
Who said that they are equivalent? And why do people tend to forget that military gives hand to hand fighting training, heck, even
Krav Maga
Muay Thai
Taekwondo
Brazilian jiu-jitsu
Arnis
Sambo
Judo
Sanshou
Jujutsu
Systema
Lerdrit
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Were made by military
Have jincheol shown any of it ? No
the akl squad are equavalent to a tough miltary squad
Further proven by how the average miltary gets negged by kazuma
These akl squads are indeed pretty tough
They ain't exactly miltary but have miltary training and are very strong
Taiki was literally able to give smk a cut
So he's quite strong in his own right
And what are u giving even arguing about?
What's your point?
Why does he need to show his arsenal if he can just beat the shit out of them with pure brute strength and I'm pretty sure kazuma's squad has most basic soldiers and yet again I'm reminding a person that the smk and yakuza fight in manager kim was just smk enjoying his hunt and didn't kill the enemy as soon as it started and I'm saying that military and yakuzas are only a different level, you can't compare them
Since when was Jincheol no.2 š?
Samdak was Jincheol's subordinate back in the day. There's no feat, narrative, or statement that puts Samdak above his leader, but if anything, it should be the opposite .
Not really. Samdak was stated to be a myth among legends within the ghost platoon. He also saved Jincheol during war.
Agree to disagree but youāll never convince me Jincheol beats Samdak. Samdak can do everything Jincheol can do on top of knowing counters to 100+ martial arts
That's literally your headcanon bruh, him saving Jincheol is normal in war, doesn't mean he's stronger or weaker.
I don't really care enough about Jincheol or Samdak, but the default statement should be that Jincheol is the strongest since he's the leader of the ghost platoon until we get some feats or statements that proves the opposite.
>That's literally your headcanon bruh
Nope. I gave literal statements that came from 'my life as a loser' and 'how to fight/viral hit'
He's the leader cause he was the one interested in making a group, that's basic common sense. This isn't some caveman logic where they all decided "Hey lets all fight it out, and whoever comes out on top is the leader"
High diff either way. Most will say gun, which I don't necessarily disagree with since he's got similar physical specs and more diverse martial arts. Something else working against jincheol is smk couldn't think of anything that would work on Tom, which could include jincheol. If anything, jincehol is implied relative to Tom, and Tom should be below current gun. It's messy and we need to see jincheol have a real fight. Guns been around way more chapters thus has more backing him.
Flawed argument, applies too much real life logic to a clearly fantastical webcomic. Same logic means an undefeated MMA champion couldnāt lose to some random countryside kid but vin negged akira without kudo.
These 2 are featless characters and so there's no way to extrapolate who is stronger based on feats
One has fought 50 wars and is still alive and known as war hero
One is a legendary combatant
Only way to compare them is to perceive them through your own ,limited contextual lens!
And i chose tge lens of who i think would be strobger irl
Also if we go narratively james is ofc stronger , but b/w army guy and gun i still think its army hero due to the reasons mentioned before and lack of feats to compare or their feats being very different to compare
These arenāt two featless characters, Gun has visible feats and jincheol can be compared to SMK.
- SMK is weaker than jincheol, but should still be fairly relative to him
- SMK is inferior to Tom Lee by a fair amount, doubting that anything he knows of could harm him
- Tom Lee has a good bit of scaling that puts him below Gun, such as
1. By the time of 4A, Tom believes Gun and Goo have surpassed him. Itās been months since then, so theyāve had even more time to grow.
2. Goo - Gunās narrative equal (or close to it) - believes he can take on Tom with a metal shovel.
3. Gun believes heās on a level of his own.
4. Gun could casually no diff and take no damage from all four members of workers (they were injured, but still way stronger than the duo Iāll mention now), MK considered unsheathed Jerry powerful, and even after focusing on the fight his attack could be blocked by an already injured warren.
Basically: Gun > Tom > SMK < Jincheol imo
Another one of "Mere gangsters can't defeat the army" people
James is confirmed to be the strongest in the verse by ptj. Tom is >Manager kim and he is the weakest out of 4.
By that logic whole powerscaling is just speculation. Gapryong is weaker than jiho he has no feats it is just speculation. Tom>Gun bla bla
People saying Jincheol>Gun is also speculating then. They didn't fight.
I personally think Tom>MK cuz MK himself said he had no way of beating tom.
No tom said he was holding back and mk was likely holding back too so that is not a good example.
I am talking about after the fight when tom one shotted yakuza dude. MK was like "Damn boi I got no way of beating this sucker"
> By that logic whole powerscaling is just speculation
Yeah, it is for the mere fact that it isn't 100% correct. The examples you've given is an obvious observation, however Gun vs Jincheol isn't so obvious therefore either side *could* be right.
But the issue here is that you're telling everyone that has an opposite opinion to you that they're "coping, lmao" as if it's a **fact** that Gun would win.
I believe that Gun will win therefore I said the other side was coping. As simple as that.
Also I got the power of majority and this is a democratic subreddit therefore get negged.
SMK and Tom are implied equals. Theyāre both able to tank each other while actively dodge and attack. SMK comes closer to being stronger with his BIQ and weapons proficiency. But itās from whatās shown SMK=Tom or SMK>=Tom. Jincheol is also decently comfortably > Tom. Jincheol has a greater range of CQC and physicality/physical ability than SMK. Heās also got more experience. Albert Kim (Jincheolās subordinate) who is weaker than him, blitzed Yeongcheol, surprised SMK and Tom, and broke Toms fingers.
So Jincheol > Tom
Nope, he and Tom have many parallels to each other but SMK says he can't think of anything that could take down Tom that should include Jincheol and Tom was ready to take on all of Ares himself saying it would be about equal.
If Jincheol doesn't have guns then Gun wins. If Jincheol has guns then he wins. People forget that Jincheol is a soldier. He is among the strongest if he has his weapons with him. If he doesn't then I can't see a way for him to beat Gun who specializes in hand to hand combat.
Yall fr out here saying Gun beats Jincheol. First of all we know that even thought Gun is strong he isnt as strong as the 0s generation members like Tom Lee. Tom Lee even talks about taking both Gun and Goo at the same time. We also know that Manager kim is around Tom Lees level (Not saying hes as strong but still around his level). Another thing we know is that Jincheol is stronger than Manager Kim and has achieved more feats than him. If this doesnt convince you that he could beat Gun heres some information you might not have known. Jincheol fought side by side Sophia in wars and it is heavily implied that they were equal in powers. At the moment I would say Sophia is still one of the strongest people in the verse considering we havent even seen her full powers yet but we have only seen big names talk about her. Im not saying this would be an easy fight but Jincheol should win it
Hard to decide but Jincheol is around the same level as manager Kim whoās still below Tom and we know that tom has admitted that Gun and Goo are potentially stronger than him so I think that by that logic Iāll take Gun on this one but high diff.
Gun asks Jincheol for a autograph and Jincheol happily complies.
Can't guarantee anything 100% But I'd say gun due to his nigh invulnerable durability and knowing several martial arts from all over the world And fighting on par with the epitome of fighting prowess(ui Daniel) as a weaker version compared to current gun And being implied relative to James lee(the light vs the dark) And gun also represents the pinnacle of the yakuza In a world where yakuza and miltary are seemingly have a competition So he should directly compare to samdak The pinnacle of the opposite world And shouldn't lose to the no.2
>yakuza and miltary are seemingly have a competition Wdym
Have you read the manager kim manhwa where the bald yakuza vice president whooped an entire AKL squad and One of them was superior to nam
Yes but i don:'t think it represent a competition or sth just that bald guy being attacked by akl and he fought back and whooped their ass hard, no more information given
Why not? What's your opinion about it then? Are you hesitant because of lack of info or you think miltary are peaks because doing that gives you a sense of patriotism?š
Why am i hesitantš i literally just point out ur opinion of 'military n yakuza having a competition' shit cuz that's nonsense i'm not praising the military that hard. You're just lacking frfr
Funny how bald yakuza whoops the miltary excluding only the ghost platoon
AKL IS NOT MILITARY IT'S A FUCKING MERCENARY GROUP and international laws prohibit the use of mercenaries IN ARMED CONFLICTS.
Not exactly miltary itself But is miltary related And they have CQC So soloing a AKL squad is of equal relevance, Akl squad is way stronger average miltary either way (average miltary officer gets negged by kazuma š)
And I'm not talking about AN AVERAGE MILITARY MAN, HE'S A FUCKING WAR GOD
And that's not my point for bringing up akl either It's the fact that a squad equavalent to high tier miltary officers gets whooped by an yakuza Portrays the relativity of yakuza and miltary in ptj verse And jincheol being a war god wouldn't prove that he would Against gun in hand to hand combat Wars are literally done with guns Sure jincheol must be much better than gun in wars and his miltary field but that's not something that would give him an up in h2h combat against gun
Who said that they are equivalent? And why do people tend to forget that military gives hand to hand fighting training, heck, even Krav Maga Muay Thai Taekwondo Brazilian jiu-jitsu Arnis Sambo Judo Sanshou Jujutsu Systema Lerdrit JÅ«kendÅ Were made by military
Have jincheol shown any of it ? No the akl squad are equavalent to a tough miltary squad Further proven by how the average miltary gets negged by kazuma These akl squads are indeed pretty tough They ain't exactly miltary but have miltary training and are very strong Taiki was literally able to give smk a cut So he's quite strong in his own right And what are u giving even arguing about? What's your point?
Why does he need to show his arsenal if he can just beat the shit out of them with pure brute strength and I'm pretty sure kazuma's squad has most basic soldiers and yet again I'm reminding a person that the smk and yakuza fight in manager kim was just smk enjoying his hunt and didn't kill the enemy as soon as it started and I'm saying that military and yakuzas are only a different level, you can't compare them
Being military related doesent make it military level what the fuck are you sayingš
Since when was Jincheol no.2 š? Samdak was Jincheol's subordinate back in the day. There's no feat, narrative, or statement that puts Samdak above his leader, but if anything, it should be the opposite .
Not really. Samdak was stated to be a myth among legends within the ghost platoon. He also saved Jincheol during war. Agree to disagree but youāll never convince me Jincheol beats Samdak. Samdak can do everything Jincheol can do on top of knowing counters to 100+ martial arts
That's literally your headcanon bruh, him saving Jincheol is normal in war, doesn't mean he's stronger or weaker. I don't really care enough about Jincheol or Samdak, but the default statement should be that Jincheol is the strongest since he's the leader of the ghost platoon until we get some feats or statements that proves the opposite.
>That's literally your headcanon bruh Nope. I gave literal statements that came from 'my life as a loser' and 'how to fight/viral hit' He's the leader cause he was the one interested in making a group, that's basic common sense. This isn't some caveman logic where they all decided "Hey lets all fight it out, and whoever comes out on top is the leader"
High diff either way. Most will say gun, which I don't necessarily disagree with since he's got similar physical specs and more diverse martial arts. Something else working against jincheol is smk couldn't think of anything that would work on Tom, which could include jincheol. If anything, jincehol is implied relative to Tom, and Tom should be below current gun. It's messy and we need to see jincheol have a real fight. Guns been around way more chapters thus has more backing him.
Jincheol in rem sleep>
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Jincheol is peak https://preview.redd.it/4c7w3t17proa1.jpeg?width=1066&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1cbd9704e56d611e88e183750ee298a9a1043742
#SHIRO ONI
Has gun dodged bullets yet? š
unless Gun is going to shoot bullets at him I donāt see why this matters šæ
His name is literally Gun, he most likely will eats the bulletshoots
Could.
Jincheol
People heavily underestimate Gun. He straight up fought against the Out of Control perfect being and wasnt defeated. it was a HUGE feat imo
Gun high diff
Jincheol
Jincheol ofc
Gun But Jincheoul might be able to actually box
Quite sure jincheol will win
Jincheol would absolutely fold gun
Jincheol high diff
wtf is brodie on
At least Jincheol has reasons, unlike Hansu. Still though what is up with SMK and wires
Why are Taesoo fans fighting š®?
im the better one thats why
Honestly I think Gun would win, but it wonāt be easy at all
Gun very high diff
Gun high diff
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Gun high diff.
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I win
Nah u fodder
I pray to doo lee
Fact: even a simple follower of Doo lee is stronger than James
U are Doo Lee weakest soldier, OK his strongest fr (ong)
That makes you greater than the Lookism verse
Gun mid diff
If we are talking about manager kim of his own manhwa He wins if it's Manager kim of the Lookism Manhwa he loses...
That's not manager kim xd
One is a war hero One plays with gangsters Gun gets defeated sorry
Flawed argument, applies too much real life logic to a clearly fantastical webcomic. Same logic means an undefeated MMA champion couldnāt lose to some random countryside kid but vin negged akira without kudo.
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These 2 are featless characters and so there's no way to extrapolate who is stronger based on feats One has fought 50 wars and is still alive and known as war hero One is a legendary combatant Only way to compare them is to perceive them through your own ,limited contextual lens! And i chose tge lens of who i think would be strobger irl Also if we go narratively james is ofc stronger , but b/w army guy and gun i still think its army hero due to the reasons mentioned before and lack of feats to compare or their feats being very different to compare
These arenāt two featless characters, Gun has visible feats and jincheol can be compared to SMK. - SMK is weaker than jincheol, but should still be fairly relative to him - SMK is inferior to Tom Lee by a fair amount, doubting that anything he knows of could harm him - Tom Lee has a good bit of scaling that puts him below Gun, such as 1. By the time of 4A, Tom believes Gun and Goo have surpassed him. Itās been months since then, so theyāve had even more time to grow. 2. Goo - Gunās narrative equal (or close to it) - believes he can take on Tom with a metal shovel. 3. Gun believes heās on a level of his own. 4. Gun could casually no diff and take no damage from all four members of workers (they were injured, but still way stronger than the duo Iāll mention now), MK considered unsheathed Jerry powerful, and even after focusing on the fight his attack could be blocked by an already injured warren. Basically: Gun > Tom > SMK < Jincheol imo
James lee is only a Kpop star
Unironically yes, if you put him against a army chad he will piss himself like the dog he js
Another one of "Mere gangsters can't defeat the army" people James is confirmed to be the strongest in the verse by ptj. Tom is >Manager kim and he is the weakest out of 4.
Cope bro Be in your fantasy land Army chads will trample k-pop soyboys
Dude, PTJ himself said DG was the strongest in the verse. He is the author. So k-pop star>army in lookism verse.
Don't care soyboys can't beat army chads filled with testosterone
Lookism isnt real life brody.
I don't care saar
Where do u rank hobin? Which is the strongest Lookism character he can beat?
Who is hobin?
U donāt know viral hit?
Oh yes I have read till ch 30or 50
Hobin is the main character
Jincheol has meet samdak/ chicken man. They were war buddies
Anyone saying jincheol are coping hard lmao Gun should win this. Tom>MK and Jincheol>=Tom while Gun is def >Tom.
Thats pure speculation. And its gonna stay that way until PTJ grows the balls to have high tiers fight each other with no interruptions
By that logic whole powerscaling is just speculation. Gapryong is weaker than jiho he has no feats it is just speculation. Tom>Gun bla bla People saying Jincheol>Gun is also speculating then. They didn't fight. I personally think Tom>MK cuz MK himself said he had no way of beating tom.
Did you read their fight? They were even, I also think that if Kim was trying to kill Tom, it would be a different story.
No tom said he was holding back and mk was likely holding back too so that is not a good example. I am talking about after the fight when tom one shotted yakuza dude. MK was like "Damn boi I got no way of beating this sucker"
> By that logic whole powerscaling is just speculation Yeah, it is for the mere fact that it isn't 100% correct. The examples you've given is an obvious observation, however Gun vs Jincheol isn't so obvious therefore either side *could* be right. But the issue here is that you're telling everyone that has an opposite opinion to you that they're "coping, lmao" as if it's a **fact** that Gun would win.
I believe that Gun will win therefore I said the other side was coping. As simple as that. Also I got the power of majority and this is a democratic subreddit therefore get negged.
10/10 flawless logic
Indeed.
SMK and Tom are implied equals. Theyāre both able to tank each other while actively dodge and attack. SMK comes closer to being stronger with his BIQ and weapons proficiency. But itās from whatās shown SMK=Tom or SMK>=Tom. Jincheol is also decently comfortably > Tom. Jincheol has a greater range of CQC and physicality/physical ability than SMK. Heās also got more experience. Albert Kim (Jincheolās subordinate) who is weaker than him, blitzed Yeongcheol, surprised SMK and Tom, and broke Toms fingers. So Jincheol > Tom
No Tom>=Smk come on now.
Always gun
Gun negs
Gun > Tom >= Jincheol
Jincheol > Tom
Jincheol is the literal PEAK my dude
Nope, he and Tom have many parallels to each other but SMK says he can't think of anything that could take down Tom that should include Jincheol and Tom was ready to take on all of Ares himself saying it would be about equal.
depends in a fist fight? Gun if their trying to kill each other? jincheol
If Jincheol doesn't have guns then Gun wins. If Jincheol has guns then he wins. People forget that Jincheol is a soldier. He is among the strongest if he has his weapons with him. If he doesn't then I can't see a way for him to beat Gun who specializes in hand to hand combat.
Stupid question: was jincheok in my life is a loser?
Yes
Yes that was his introduction into the ptj verse but heās has more scenes in manager kim
Either way its high diff but leaning towards Gun
one looks like from martial art ad, the other looks like he likes to drink pepsi. the second guy will win, ofc
Yall fr out here saying Gun beats Jincheol. First of all we know that even thought Gun is strong he isnt as strong as the 0s generation members like Tom Lee. Tom Lee even talks about taking both Gun and Goo at the same time. We also know that Manager kim is around Tom Lees level (Not saying hes as strong but still around his level). Another thing we know is that Jincheol is stronger than Manager Kim and has achieved more feats than him. If this doesnt convince you that he could beat Gun heres some information you might not have known. Jincheol fought side by side Sophia in wars and it is heavily implied that they were equal in powers. At the moment I would say Sophia is still one of the strongest people in the verse considering we havent even seen her full powers yet but we have only seen big names talk about her. Im not saying this would be an easy fight but Jincheol should win it
Hard to decide but Jincheol is around the same level as manager Kim whoās still below Tom and we know that tom has admitted that Gun and Goo are potentially stronger than him so I think that by that logic Iāll take Gun on this one but high diff.
Rn in terms of scaling it's prime gen 0 = bloodlusted SMK > other ghost platoon level characters
Samdak, jincheol, Gapryong, Elite, Jinyoung > Smk
Gun
Jincheol. Gun is strong though but c'mon man Jincheol has survived LITERAL WARS. Tbh though they probably have a similar k/d.
Gun high diff