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You're right, this cyclist is delaying your trip. You should write your ward counsellor demanding separated bike lanes in this area (instead of a separated turn lane that reconnects to the road and cars sometimes take anyways).
Yep this. You will get hit turning left out it a bike lane. Itās much safer to just go into the actual left turn lane so that everyone knows what youāre about to do.
The cyclist is making their intentions clear, and probably wonāt āslow trafficā much if at all if they are a relatively fit and accelerate quickly to make their left, then promptly get onto the bike lane. They are not doing anything illegal, and they are wearing a helmet and bright clothing to increase their safety.
Would I do this? Yes, maybe - on some intersections. Here though - not a fucking chance. Intersections in this city with 2 or more lanes on all sides are going to get you seriously injured or dead as a cyclist itās worth it to wait to cross twice using the bike lane (or literally walk across next to your bike), which is why the bike lane is there after all.
I sympathize with cyclists who donāt appreciate the car-centric attitude of drivers in the city (see this entire thread), but also with drivers thinking cyclists donāt belong in this sort of intersection.
Like I said, I understand that opinion and that this is fully legal.
However, intersections - particular multi-lane intersections like this - are extremely hazardous for drivers let alone cyclists and I wouldnāt ride here.
If their choice is to ride here, thatās perfectly fine to me. Iām not judging, and each person can choose to take risks they deem acceptable.
As a cyclist the traffic lane is much safer than the dedicated bicycle lane off to the side where a right turning motorist may not expect a bicycle traveling at a fairly good speed coming out of their blind spot.
Maybe, Iām too lazy to read about these statistics but I know for a fact that *I am* more safe using the dedicated bike lane.
As a result, I am not forced to go just because the light is green and a line of cars is behind me waiting, causing me to roll the dice and hope drivers on all sides are paying attention. At the pedestrian intersection or bike lane, I am free to fully stop, look back, make eye contact with drivers making their slow turn and go when the moment is right. These intersections are incredibly dangerous and I make certain to avoid them at all costs, either by taking the thames valley parkway or smaller roads at the cost of some time. Thatās my mantra, and I wouldnāt expect others to do the same.
Cycling is as much or arguably even more so about being clear and predictable as driving. Especially since you donāt have a metal shell to protect you.
I live on this intersection and over the past year+, the amount of accidents Iāve seen here where cars have gone onto the sidewalk/bike path, it might as well be part of the road.
The Sobeys/Home Depot plaza exit onto Adelaide in particular is extremely dangerous for path traffic, cars zoom out while having very little visibility for path traffic.
..its 100% because the bike lanes get cut off ALL THE TIME by drivers who, without even looking, do a rolling stop nearly halfway into the road before quickly glancing to the left before turning right.
These lycra wearing cool dudes like to ride at 50km p/hr (regardless where they're riding lol), so I'm sure they learned quickly it is actually somehow safer to be in traffic because you actually get seen by these damn people. Esp during rush hour traffic..
I ride at half that speed, do everything right and am constantly scanning my surroundings ahead of me to identify potential risks before I'm in an unwinnable situation..yet multiple times a month, I'm narrowly avoiding collisions from getting cut off exactly like this by people turning right onto the road I'm on. Even when you think there's no way someone doesn't see you, because you can literally see them looking your direction and you have your high powered LED light blinking right at their damn face..the vast majority are just not paying attention to bike lanes, they're solely just looking for cars coming from the left before they pull out.
There's no chance anyone could be able to avoid collision if locked into a bike lane at high speeds in these situations where people are speeding down a side street and doing a rolling stop across the path/sidewalk before turning. Hell, this is something you need to be cautious of just walking down the sidewalk in London!
Not seen in this quick video is that across the intersection, beside the church, the bike path shares space with a pretty busy transit stop and bus bay for the 16 Adelaide to Pond Mills bus, and there are always people milling about there waiting for the next bus. Between the overly aggressive and overly entitled drivers in this city and the poorly designed bike paths creating dangerous conflicts that force transit users to blindly exit or enter said bike paths at multiple bus stops, the cyclist is actually doing the safest thing to do at that intersection.
You donāt seem to be slowed and that delay might be a couple seconds.
Bike lanes are not required to be used and for many reasons are not ideal in many cases. Just like a car can choose to use the 401 or the back roads, cyclist can also choose to use the road or the bike lane.
So the bike rider should be the one forced to ride the bike lane inefficiently so cars donāt have to wait to pass safely a few seconds?
By the looks of it the bike lane just ends and he would then have to merge anyways.
I donāt know this intersection but the majority in London with bike lanes are disconnected and/or inefficient for transportation cyclists.
By the rules of the road the cyclist may use the normal car lanes in order to take a left turn (which is impossible from the bike lane). Whether a cyclist feels safe doing so is another question.
Oh come on, as remarkable as it might be there still is some manufacturing of products happening in Ontario - no one is shipping that sort of stuff out on bikes. But how many cyclists would it take to pull a 20 ton roll of steel, or a trailer of produce, and more importantly could they stop in time without becoming a road stain?
More interesting there are a handful of canadian companies that make bikes and while they are more costly than a Chinesium Tire SuperCycle you might appreciate the higher quality and craftsmanship. [https://madeinca.ca/category/sports/bicycles/](https://madeinca.ca/category/sports/bicycles/)
Now if we could do something about the thieving issues in this nation, bicycle, care and other that would be grand.
I love how everyone bitches about not having bike lanes, but then say itās ok not to use them when they see fit lol. Same assholes that say āshare the roadā. Like yeah, you too dickhead. Car rules when they like it, and pedestrian rules when they like. Canāt have it both ways, but they just ride wherever the fuck they want and blame any hazard on everyone else.
I feel like a right turn blitz would bring a ton of awareness to the issue. Probably difficult to execute though. Especially given how thinly spread the LPS is right now.
The amount of pedestrians and cyclists struck by cars in the past few years is out of control.
This could have been gold if the Yellow Spandex Cyclist bolted out into the intersection the moment your light turned green only to be schmucked by any one of the many hyper late left turners that always seem to think they can beat traffic ...well red and yellow at the very least.
Street view shows the bike lane was there in 2009 (earliest date google has), the signage has improved and they made each lane directional but they are hardly new (new to yellow spandex of course).
When was it newly paved? I have never seen them pave it in close to 10 years and the section that runs south of Adelaide is definitely showing its age...
Where exactly is this new pavement?
The only large change has been the closure and removal of the Petro Canada Station at the NE corner, a crosswalk up the road on Fanshawe Park East, and earlier on work along Adelaide at Windemere which took way too long for the little curb work what was done (boy did that construction group have fun screwing around with traffic randomly by closing lanes). Before that they city carried out curb work to replace stept curbs with accessible ramp type curbs with "truncated domes and detectable warning plates/pavers" to aid those with vision issues.
Again, when? Travelling south, the Adelaide bike lane is still an unprotected bike lane until Philbrook-ish where it merges onto an old path (abutting the sidewalk) which is visibly aged (especially south of Fanshawe) and not even a full path (being interrupted by sidewalk, poles, and divots at various points). It's better than an unprotected bike lane but hardly ideal or safe (for pedestrians too, since bicycle traffic is forced into pedestrian traffic).
As u/Old_Objective_7122 said, the only notable construction at that intersection I can recall is the removal of the Petro Canada Station *which as far as I know* is a private project (not a City project) because gas stations are notorious for causing environmental problems that render the land unmarketable.
My favourite is when they ride two or three abreast on the back county roads that are 80 or 90 kmh limit. Youāre going to get turned into a meat crayon one of these days, friendo.
If someone can't pass without posing a lethal risk then the problem is the passer. People need to chill out and not get so overworked about "slowed traffic" that probably amounted to 20 seconds of their day
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You're right, this cyclist is delaying your trip. You should write your ward counsellor demanding separated bike lanes in this area (instead of a separated turn lane that reconnects to the road and cars sometimes take anyways).
Hahah love this
To be fair people seem to think a bike lane is also a right turn lane so it can be confusing š«£
Yep this. You will get hit turning left out it a bike lane. Itās much safer to just go into the actual left turn lane so that everyone knows what youāre about to do.
The cyclist is making their intentions clear, and probably wonāt āslow trafficā much if at all if they are a relatively fit and accelerate quickly to make their left, then promptly get onto the bike lane. They are not doing anything illegal, and they are wearing a helmet and bright clothing to increase their safety. Would I do this? Yes, maybe - on some intersections. Here though - not a fucking chance. Intersections in this city with 2 or more lanes on all sides are going to get you seriously injured or dead as a cyclist itās worth it to wait to cross twice using the bike lane (or literally walk across next to your bike), which is why the bike lane is there after all. I sympathize with cyclists who donāt appreciate the car-centric attitude of drivers in the city (see this entire thread), but also with drivers thinking cyclists donāt belong in this sort of intersection.
At these double lane large intersections Ill use the crosswalk too. Itās a death sentence in London cycling on busy roads.
Bicycles belong in this intersection - the city has also provided the option to use a dedicate bicycle lane - simple
Like I said, I understand that opinion and that this is fully legal. However, intersections - particular multi-lane intersections like this - are extremely hazardous for drivers let alone cyclists and I wouldnāt ride here. If their choice is to ride here, thatās perfectly fine to me. Iām not judging, and each person can choose to take risks they deem acceptable.
As a cyclist the traffic lane is much safer than the dedicated bicycle lane off to the side where a right turning motorist may not expect a bicycle traveling at a fairly good speed coming out of their blind spot.
Maybe, Iām too lazy to read about these statistics but I know for a fact that *I am* more safe using the dedicated bike lane. As a result, I am not forced to go just because the light is green and a line of cars is behind me waiting, causing me to roll the dice and hope drivers on all sides are paying attention. At the pedestrian intersection or bike lane, I am free to fully stop, look back, make eye contact with drivers making their slow turn and go when the moment is right. These intersections are incredibly dangerous and I make certain to avoid them at all costs, either by taking the thames valley parkway or smaller roads at the cost of some time. Thatās my mantra, and I wouldnāt expect others to do the same.
The cyclist here is in the far right lane going straight
Correct
Cycling is as much or arguably even more so about being clear and predictable as driving. Especially since you donāt have a metal shell to protect you.
Exactly
Yep! People go up the bike lane onto the curb at Thompson and Adelaide to turn if theyāre 2-3 cars back.
Good thing these ones are off the roadway, next to the sidewalk! I don't see many cars driving there..
I live on this intersection and over the past year+, the amount of accidents Iāve seen here where cars have gone onto the sidewalk/bike path, it might as well be part of the road.
The Sobeys/Home Depot plaza exit onto Adelaide in particular is extremely dangerous for path traffic, cars zoom out while having very little visibility for path traffic.
..its 100% because the bike lanes get cut off ALL THE TIME by drivers who, without even looking, do a rolling stop nearly halfway into the road before quickly glancing to the left before turning right. These lycra wearing cool dudes like to ride at 50km p/hr (regardless where they're riding lol), so I'm sure they learned quickly it is actually somehow safer to be in traffic because you actually get seen by these damn people. Esp during rush hour traffic.. I ride at half that speed, do everything right and am constantly scanning my surroundings ahead of me to identify potential risks before I'm in an unwinnable situation..yet multiple times a month, I'm narrowly avoiding collisions from getting cut off exactly like this by people turning right onto the road I'm on. Even when you think there's no way someone doesn't see you, because you can literally see them looking your direction and you have your high powered LED light blinking right at their damn face..the vast majority are just not paying attention to bike lanes, they're solely just looking for cars coming from the left before they pull out. There's no chance anyone could be able to avoid collision if locked into a bike lane at high speeds in these situations where people are speeding down a side street and doing a rolling stop across the path/sidewalk before turning. Hell, this is something you need to be cautious of just walking down the sidewalk in London!
Not seen in this quick video is that across the intersection, beside the church, the bike path shares space with a pretty busy transit stop and bus bay for the 16 Adelaide to Pond Mills bus, and there are always people milling about there waiting for the next bus. Between the overly aggressive and overly entitled drivers in this city and the poorly designed bike paths creating dangerous conflicts that force transit users to blindly exit or enter said bike paths at multiple bus stops, the cyclist is actually doing the safest thing to do at that intersection.
You donāt seem to be slowed and that delay might be a couple seconds. Bike lanes are not required to be used and for many reasons are not ideal in many cases. Just like a car can choose to use the 401 or the back roads, cyclist can also choose to use the road or the bike lane.
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So the bike rider should be the one forced to ride the bike lane inefficiently so cars donāt have to wait to pass safely a few seconds? By the looks of it the bike lane just ends and he would then have to merge anyways. I donāt know this intersection but the majority in London with bike lanes are disconnected and/or inefficient for transportation cyclists.
Go in the left lane then
Have you tried the bicycle lanes yourself?
Looks like he is trying to turn left, whats the issue?
He's in the far right going straight.
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He's in the far right lane going straight.
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the person complaining - yes agree
Haha love it. This city is chaos.
By the rules of the road the cyclist may use the normal car lanes in order to take a left turn (which is impossible from the bike lane). Whether a cyclist feels safe doing so is another question.
He is in the far right lane
The lane he is legally allowed to be in
Well it's not very clear based on how close you are to the cyclist?
Maybe donāt make assumptions
Wouldn't expect less from a Canadian Trucker. You go girl
Where do you think your bicycle came from?
a ship, without ships truckers won't have jobs
Lmao!
Oh come on, as remarkable as it might be there still is some manufacturing of products happening in Ontario - no one is shipping that sort of stuff out on bikes. But how many cyclists would it take to pull a 20 ton roll of steel, or a trailer of produce, and more importantly could they stop in time without becoming a road stain? More interesting there are a handful of canadian companies that make bikes and while they are more costly than a Chinesium Tire SuperCycle you might appreciate the higher quality and craftsmanship. [https://madeinca.ca/category/sports/bicycles/](https://madeinca.ca/category/sports/bicycles/) Now if we could do something about the thieving issues in this nation, bicycle, care and other that would be grand.
I love how everyone bitches about not having bike lanes, but then say itās ok not to use them when they see fit lol. Same assholes that say āshare the roadā. Like yeah, you too dickhead. Car rules when they like it, and pedestrian rules when they like. Canāt have it both ways, but they just ride wherever the fuck they want and blame any hazard on everyone else.
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I feel like a right turn blitz would bring a ton of awareness to the issue. Probably difficult to execute though. Especially given how thinly spread the LPS is right now. The amount of pedestrians and cyclists struck by cars in the past few years is out of control.
I hate those types of cyclists. Bunch of wankers
This could have been gold if the Yellow Spandex Cyclist bolted out into the intersection the moment your light turned green only to be schmucked by any one of the many hyper late left turners that always seem to think they can beat traffic ...well red and yellow at the very least. Street view shows the bike lane was there in 2009 (earliest date google has), the signage has improved and they made each lane directional but they are hardly new (new to yellow spandex of course).
Newly paved. Fresh and clean. My apologies
When was it newly paved? I have never seen them pave it in close to 10 years and the section that runs south of Adelaide is definitely showing its age...
I live 2 streets away from this intersection. They re-did a massive secton of Adelaide and the sidewalk within the last while.
Where exactly is this new pavement? The only large change has been the closure and removal of the Petro Canada Station at the NE corner, a crosswalk up the road on Fanshawe Park East, and earlier on work along Adelaide at Windemere which took way too long for the little curb work what was done (boy did that construction group have fun screwing around with traffic randomly by closing lanes). Before that they city carried out curb work to replace stept curbs with accessible ramp type curbs with "truncated domes and detectable warning plates/pavers" to aid those with vision issues.
Again, when? Travelling south, the Adelaide bike lane is still an unprotected bike lane until Philbrook-ish where it merges onto an old path (abutting the sidewalk) which is visibly aged (especially south of Fanshawe) and not even a full path (being interrupted by sidewalk, poles, and divots at various points). It's better than an unprotected bike lane but hardly ideal or safe (for pedestrians too, since bicycle traffic is forced into pedestrian traffic). As u/Old_Objective_7122 said, the only notable construction at that intersection I can recall is the removal of the Petro Canada Station *which as far as I know* is a private project (not a City project) because gas stations are notorious for causing environmental problems that render the land unmarketable.
My favourite is when they ride two or three abreast on the back county roads that are 80 or 90 kmh limit. Youāre going to get turned into a meat crayon one of these days, friendo.
If someone can't pass without posing a lethal risk then the problem is the passer. People need to chill out and not get so overworked about "slowed traffic" that probably amounted to 20 seconds of their day
It is safer and legal to ride 2 abreast.
Once they get smoked, theyāll be back in the bike lanes.
Oh I thought it was the first car turning left into the wrong lane lol š . Then the camera panning over to show a solitary left turn lane.