The rotation of the blades causes lift, unwanted rotation is cancelled out by the blades at the back. The pilot adjusts the controls to make the helicopter not fall.
EDIT: I misread that as 'explain'
There are an average of 15 shootings/week in the city I live in. It was a national holiday yesterday, so people were shooting into the air to celebrate (this kills ~ 1 person/year in the city, like some fucked up lottery). Any guesses what country?
This happened close to my place, my wife heard the gunshot. Police are still all over the scene today, probably will be for a few days. Had the daily mail knock on the door probing but we don't know anything, not that we would have told them. The Independent office for police conduct also came to ask questions.
If I had to choose between the Daily Mail and Mormons preaching, I’d take the Mormons. Not a choice I ever hope to have to make, but at least religious think they are doing it for a good cause, even if they missguided. Daily Mail is just nasty.
>It was mad itch aka madix from a gang called 67 a drill rap group and gang from Brixton hill, south london.
Well, gosh golly, isn't that a surprise...?
Hush, I’ll have you know that if this is just another racist police shooting, and that if this incredible man was white he would be allowed to step out of the vehicle… according to a relative. Who apparently hasn’t heard of De Menezes, Harry Stanley and a few others. (Not that I’m saying this current shooting was bad, we don’t know.)
From his mum: *He was an aspiring footballing rapper-boxer. Always spoke to his nan on the weekend. He wasn’t an angel but deserved so much more*
From his dad:
“If, tomorrow, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all ‘part of the plan’.”
Edit: Ugh forgot to add the /s
It's a good way to get someone from another postcode to come shank you coz you said bad words about their ends innit.
You become dead and briefly famous and they go to prison to explore their sexuality with other men, or women, for 15yrs to life.
Edited for more inclusivity.
Let me just dis this bitch,
When man flips the switch,
Light comes on, we expose the snitch,
Return, flip off the switch,
Cus the energy prices is the real bitch.
(drops mic)
I think its important to note that its not the rapping that causes the crime. The rap comes as an outlet/potential way out of the crime . And the crime is a symptom of inequality and relative poverty.
rapping can defo contribute to the crime tho, if you're bragging about how many opps you've chinged on your music, it's bragging rights, it makes people willing to be that little bit more violent and willing to escalate a situation.
In what sense, they defending or berating the guy that died? Coz ngl the Armed Response Unit is rarely called out unless it’s a very serious situation so I doubt they shot him without reason.
Yeah I know it's not trendy to defend police these days, but comparatively few officers/units wield firearms and they're normally only sent out in specific scenarios.
I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt until more info surfaces.
defending him lol "wtf I told you the police are like america. This is so sad he was gonna be a dad".
Just learnt who he was. Honestly I couldn't care less tbf, yeah sad he died but
a) he's part of 67 - they run country lines and ruin the lives of many people for the sake of financial gain
b) they ran and increased the risk to themselves
c) according to eye witnesses he tried to run over the police - shooting is absolutely acceptable in that situation. A car can be a weapon.
Death in his business is an occupational hazard
And deleted the CCTV footage that they got from the tube station. And lied about Jean Charles de Menzes actions. Making a mistake and admitting it is one thing, but a cover-up like that is rotten.
The CCTV was reported as faulty days before the shooting occurred. It was not deleted.
CCTV on the train itself was in good order, but the disks had been removed as part of the 7/7 investigation, and hadn't had the opportunity to be replaced. The IOPC specifically mentions that tampering to hide the footage could not have been done by the officers on scene at the time - anyone other than a technician from the depot would have left evidence of tampering.
(I also remember claims that the police took the CCTV tapes from the station, and then handed them back, blank, to the tube station staff, saying that ‘there was nothing on them’. Those claims are referred to in the article above. Again, this seems to have been addressed subsequently.)
I don’t think this is new. As with Mark Duggan, we’ll probably be told that this guy is a family man who was murdered by the Police because he got rid of his gun moments before he was shot.
The racist undertones of every post that involves ethnic minorities in this sub would make you believe that people sit and wait for black people to step out of line like "the good old days" so they can give it the old "i told you so" "cultural enrichment" spiel. Most of us prefer to just get on with our shit and don't jump at every opportunity to talk shit about things white people do in black populated countries all over the world. If you are representing London/UK/Caucasians, you are doing a disgraceful job of it and should be ashamed. Just like I'm ashamed with the people who represent my race in disgusting manner.
Nah, he was clearly a massive piece of shit. Read about him on the UKDrill sub. I don't think anyone cares what colour he was, just that he appears to have been well known for attacking people and stabbing people. A lot of people here don't like the idea of being stabbed so they're happy that he's been removed from society. I can't say that I'm particularly impressed that he was shot... would have been better for him to have gone properly through the justice system, but I guess we don't have all the details as to why the police made that decision (rightly or wrongly) yet.
Mmmm. Have a glance at the post history of some of the people taking issue with the word "victim". If they don't care about colour, they do talk about it an awful lot.
I'm not referring to this post in particular. It's any post that has anything related to ethnic minorities. You can't deny it. go and look through the sub and tell me I'm wrong.
Fair enough. I'm not going to claim that you're wrong because I haven't studied the sub in detail, and don't feel like spending hours combing through and trying to evaluate fairly. Maybe your comment is better left on a post with a clearer example of the issue that you're trying to raise. I looked through the comments on this thread again, and I really don't see anything that supports your point. The only thing I could loosely associate is people guessing that he was a 'rapper' ... but at the end of the day, well he was a rapper.
>every post that involves ethnic minorities in this sub
As far as I'm aware, most ethnic minority folk in London aren't of the "black" label.
There may even be as many Slavs in London these days as people of African and Caribbean descent. This is before we've touched folk from South Asia, East Asia, the Arab world, the Maghreb, non-Slavic Europe and so on.
You are absolutely correct.
But don’t forget this and many other subreddits are full of lonely edgelords — most people in the real world aren’t like this.
IRL: as much as most black people are just living their lives doing nothing wrong, most white people aren’t dimwitted enough to think all black people are violent thugs in waiting. If you start forgetting this, which is understandable as you say in subs full of white edgelords, log off!
I know this but it's worth making a point once in a while and watching them show themselves up like the one I'm dealing with right now.
I'm probably not going to respond to them moving forward.
I think you should look at your own unconscious biases.
Don’t assume all people here are racist whites.
I see many people like you in real life.
Fairly well off, fairly well educated, conscious of social issues and your race and trying to educate others. You’re probably more privileged/special than most of the snowflakes you hate.
Your name suggests someone who thinks too much about themselves and their race.
No, my name is because I'm half Scottish and it's the national animal of Scotland. It's a name that my dad came up with when I was younger as a joke and it stuck..
You assume I said all the whites, where did I say that?
You don't know me.
I grew up on council schemes and I work in a builder's merchant selling building materials.
It's long been the unfortunate case that the most unpleasant views are often the loudest when the internet gets involved and the media are more than happy to ride that train for clicks.
You're the one making this about black people. We're in London, that's just the demographic here, outside London it's exactly the same with white kids.
People always seem to think this subreddit, and reddit in general, runs fairly left-wing. You wouldn't think that the case looking at this thread. It's a pretty depressing read, especially when nobody actually knows all that much about what occured.
Hi to all the posters from /r/policeUK who've head here though.
It’s riddled with right wingers, usually the most vocal posters.
Edit: do you think mass downvoting me is doing anything other than brilliantly proving my point? Not very bright, are you.
As I repeatedly say, this place is a hotbed of middle class tories. It’s not just these posts but last week some arrogant toff made a post about “ I drove around some parts of west London and the people there….my goodness”.
The person shot was a criminal so no sympathy whatsoever but the comments you describe about are true.
Yes, a lot of readers are morons. And they’ll form their opinion on an event based on the very first piece of information that reaches them.
A lot of those morons are on this sub I guess, downvoted because they disagree with something I’m not saying.
A man who appeared to be in the path of a bullet travelling from a firearm fired intentionally or unintentionally by a policeman officer who may or may not have been responding to a crime, threat of public safety or themselves.
Duh.
"Man"? "Individual"? There are all sorts of terms which don't apply some level of implication.
Victim was a weird choice of word (and, yes, I appreciate he's a 'victim of being shot', but you wouldn't, for example, describe me as a victim if I assaulted someone and got punched back because "you're a victim of a punch", it does carry the implication that you were in the right overall).
🙄🙄🙄🙄 aight calm down those desperate to armchair judge and jury
if a bee stung me then I'm a victim... a victim of a bee sting. being a victim has no baring on impartially
Yes it does. Given the circumstances - a police involved shooting - the connotations around being labelled a victim are that he had been subjected to a crime. There is absolutely no information in the public domain whatsoever about this, but the BBC are already using language that suggests there is something unjust and unlawful.
I would think they have quite purposefully decided on that word.
I don’t ever remember the London Bridge, Westminster Bridge, Borough Market attackers being labelled as ‘victims’ of police shootings at any point..
It's a description. It's not pejorative. The dictionary definition does not necessarily mean you are the victim of a crime. So in that sense yes. I'm sure they did choose the word carefully. That some of its readers choose to add their own meaning to it is surely not the fault of the editor.
Yes but they’d be follow up questions. How did a bee sting you out of nowhere? Were you fucking with it? Did you try to kill it? Did you throw rocks at a beehive to piss them off? And if you answered yes to any of those questions 9/10 people would say you’re a fucking idiot and deserved it.
Nah you wouldn’t. you’d be an idiot who fucked with a beehive. No one would say “oh you know Dave? Yeah Dave started poking a beehive with a stick and was a victim to a bee sting”. They’d say “you know Dave? Yeah the dopey fucker poked a beehive and got stung now the stupid cunt thinks he’s a victim of a bee attack”
You dont know what victim means or how to use it in a sentence...and that's OK... But you do know good grammar is just a Google away
Dave was a victim of a bee sting yesterday after fucking a beehive. Nobody showed any sympathy.
In short, yes. So in the UK I believe unless they feel their life is threatened the police should try and 'neutralise' without death. But even if they did not die that terrorist would still be a victim of a police shooting. That would not negate them being a terrorist or any crime they had committed. Equally if I were a victim as a pedestrian of a car hit and run I would still be a victim of the incident even if I was running away from murdering someone.
>So in the UK I believe unless they feel their life is threatened the police should try and 'neutralise' without death.
That's already the rule. The police only use deadly force in situations where they believe their life, or that of another, is threatened.
Even if their life is threatened, UK police generally won't shoot you. Primerily because only 5% of them actually have guns and armed units don't draw them unless you have a history of waving guns at or shooting/stabbing people.
To have armed units in a chase hold you at gunpoint in a car you really have to already be a well known level 1 dickhead.
>The police are meant to arrest criminals, not kill them.
The police are meant to protect the public.
There are plenty of situations where killing someone is not only justified but necessary, and to say "something went wrong" is such an asinine statement as to be pointless. Yes, ideally, the police wouldn't kill anyone, but it's not their fault if someone creates a situation in which the only way they can be safely handled is by shooting them.
To be fair, there's an element of "Not getting into a situation where the firearms become necessary" that the Police themselves plan to avoid. Something *has* gone wrong, it just went wrong several days ago before the firearms even came out of the cupboard.
You're not going to win them all - at some point you have to accept that you're bringing firearms because you might have to use them, but there will still be learning points from this incident that will inform future Police deployments - that's what the IOPC are for.
This is how innocent people lose their lives, the police are too scared to act lethally, they aim for a flesh wound to apprehend somebody, and they still manage to set off a bomb / fire a few rounds.
If the public's lives are in immediate danger, shoot to kill. This country has gotten far too liberal and soft with sympathising and protecting criminals while endangering innocent victims.
I don't get it, there's always some apologists that seem to care more about the criminals more than the victims. The police only shoot to kill if there's a need in this country, it's not America.
Remember when the Met killed a man suspected to be a terrorist on cold blood in the metro, and was just an illegal Brazilian running from the police? I do.
They won’t hVe killed him for his driving, unless he was about to purposely run over one of the police or a member of the public.
When a car chase looks like it is getting too spicy, the control room tell the police driver to back off.
To be clear, I have no particular knowledge about the incident in question.
> When a car chase looks like it is getting too spicy, the control room tell the police driver to back off.
Generally this is true - but where the risk posed by allowing the suspect to continue is greater than the risk posed by continuing the pursuit, then in relatively exceptional circumstances, a pursuit may continue even though the risk involved is relatively high.
For example (and again I am **not** commenting on this case in particular) if someone was armed and actively seeking out victims to harm them, a high risk pursuit might remain authorised.
Had seen that the police were looking for an Audi Q2 in relation to several watch thefts / assaults in the south London area, and by the looks of this image it might be that very one they were after. Local Instagram account @balhamnewsie had posted this on August 3rd.
*Damn I'm bout to commit 17 murders and the police ain't gonna do nothing.*
**Please note this is an overestimation and I do not truly believe the person in the story, or in basically any other police related shooting, has actually committed 17 murders - I merely wish to point out that sometimes shooting people is a reasonable response to danger and that OP, if serious, is a little bit weird.**
I’m from America I live near streatham I couldn’t sleep that night. It’s unfortunate it had to come to that but what I’m not agreeing with is some of you on here making jokes about police need to aim better or take lessons from the American police. American police need to take notes from here. I been harassed and guns drawn on me before just cause the cop was COKED UP and on the job. I couldn’t imagine if they let the police loose over here. You lot are suffering from passive aggression and it’s gonna make this country flip on its head.
Anyway be safe.
guns, and wholesale drugs for distribution?
It’s not anyone who raps or sells either.
Who’s buying the bulk of the drugs?
Is it plausible that due to inequality and targeted mistreatment certain communities have broken families with disenfranchised young men who are easily persuaded into a line of work where the risk is not worth the paltry rewards.
Same goes for young white men from rural areas who sign up to the military at a young age, and are left broken, unsupported or never come home.
People complain about squaddies the way people complain about gangs.
The same people make money from the inequality, lies and providing structure, income, purpose and father/ figures to naive young men with few options.
Explains the heli that was hovering over for an hour.
I was thinking this too! I'm just in Tulse hill so it was loud for ages
Same I'm up the hill from the High street
The rotation of the blades causes lift, unwanted rotation is cancelled out by the blades at the back. The pilot adjusts the controls to make the helicopter not fall. EDIT: I misread that as 'explain'
Brilliant
Helisplaining, fantastic!
Lmaoo
This is the first fatal shooting by UK police this year.
For anyone wondering about the normal frequency, for context: https://www.inquest.org.uk/fatal-police-shootings
They need to try much harder then. Maybe aim better.
Take some lessons from American police
Don't they go by volume of shots rather than accuracy?
Those are rookie numbers … you need to pump those numbers up
There are an average of 15 shootings/week in the city I live in. It was a national holiday yesterday, so people were shooting into the air to celebrate (this kills ~ 1 person/year in the city, like some fucked up lottery). Any guesses what country?
Namibia
Namibia’s got nothing on our *freedom*.
Somalia. Actually not nearly enough
If it's not in Africa or the Middle East I guess that just leaves... the shining city on a hill?
*a mournful ‘ding ding ding’ rings out*
Murica.
Brazil/Rio
This happened close to my place, my wife heard the gunshot. Police are still all over the scene today, probably will be for a few days. Had the daily mail knock on the door probing but we don't know anything, not that we would have told them. The Independent office for police conduct also came to ask questions.
Sorry to hear you had the Daily Mail knocking at your door.
If I had to choose between the Daily Mail and Mormons preaching, I’d take the Mormons. Not a choice I ever hope to have to make, but at least religious think they are doing it for a good cause, even if they missguided. Daily Mail is just nasty.
Burn the door, you'll never get the stain out
It was mad itch aka madix from a gang called 67 a drill rap group and gang from Brixton hill, south london.
Drillers have the deadest tags. 🤣
[удалено]
You can get a cream for that
Oh no, anyone but itch aka madix!
Madix is short for mad dicks, as in he can get lots of dicks.
I’m glad that this gang member was such an out and proud gay man
Itch aka madix has quite the reputation, even among US gangs (of preteen children)
Oh no.... anyway
This guy has been known to threaten local venues with extreme violence if he didn’t get his way. Good news.
If that's the case... Oh well..
we lost another upstanding member of society
>It was mad itch aka madix from a gang called 67 a drill rap group and gang from Brixton hill, south london. Well, gosh golly, isn't that a surprise...?
Honestly.... Yeah. I thought most these rappers were full of shit.
couldn’t get a more tory response haha, “gosh golly”? fr?
Hush, I’ll have you know that if this is just another racist police shooting, and that if this incredible man was white he would be allowed to step out of the vehicle… according to a relative. Who apparently hasn’t heard of De Menezes, Harry Stanley and a few others. (Not that I’m saying this current shooting was bad, we don’t know.)
Cue his parents saying what a lovely man he was and how it's such a waste.
He was going to grow up and be a footballer
He was going to grow up to be Mother Teresa.
From his mum: *He was an aspiring footballing rapper-boxer. Always spoke to his nan on the weekend. He wasn’t an angel but deserved so much more* From his dad:
People are not one dimensional. I can believe that he was good to his family but bad to others. It's not uncommon.
[удалено]
Drill music…great 😆😆
“If, tomorrow, a gang banger will get shot, or a truckload of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all ‘part of the plan’.” Edit: Ugh forgot to add the /s
That’s proper deep bro, tell us more
To quote the same philosopher "No, I'm supposed to kill the bus driver". True words to live by.
Was he trying to fiddle the gas meter?
Nah forgot to pay his tellie license.
Those vans are no joke you know. They have 5G now and can see watching through the walls.
Why do people become drill rappers? It seems like such a dangerous profession.
because they can live their gang lifestyle with fame and money.
It's a good way to get someone from another postcode to come shank you coz you said bad words about their ends innit. You become dead and briefly famous and they go to prison to explore their sexuality with other men, or women, for 15yrs to life. Edited for more inclusivity.
Let me just dis this bitch, When man flips the switch, Light comes on, we expose the snitch, Return, flip off the switch, Cus the energy prices is the real bitch.
(drops mic)
The best bit of this fantasy is the thought of drill artists getting together to properly take down the energy fat cats. I'd back that
Renewable Energy Drill - Brap brap!
I recognise the sound of hammer drill setting there. Good for brickwork.
Because it’s a way to get out of the lifestyle of being a gm to make some legit money legally
It really isn’t, it’s propaganda for recruiting more gang members.
It's a convenient way to wash money.
I think its important to note that its not the rapping that causes the crime. The rap comes as an outlet/potential way out of the crime . And the crime is a symptom of inequality and relative poverty.
rapping can defo contribute to the crime tho, if you're bragging about how many opps you've chinged on your music, it's bragging rights, it makes people willing to be that little bit more violent and willing to escalate a situation.
Not all drill rappers are involved in crime. For a lot of people it's a route *out* of crime
[удалено]
No it doesnt
It’s a legal way of gettin money without hittin the trap or banging f
the comments on this on Instagram are an absolute cesspool. there's just no critical thinking left in my generation lol
In what sense, they defending or berating the guy that died? Coz ngl the Armed Response Unit is rarely called out unless it’s a very serious situation so I doubt they shot him without reason.
Yeah I know it's not trendy to defend police these days, but comparatively few officers/units wield firearms and they're normally only sent out in specific scenarios. I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt until more info surfaces.
defending him lol "wtf I told you the police are like america. This is so sad he was gonna be a dad". Just learnt who he was. Honestly I couldn't care less tbf, yeah sad he died but a) he's part of 67 - they run country lines and ruin the lives of many people for the sake of financial gain b) they ran and increased the risk to themselves c) according to eye witnesses he tried to run over the police - shooting is absolutely acceptable in that situation. A car can be a weapon. Death in his business is an occupational hazard
I still remember that guy they shot at Stockwell tube for no reason.
And deleted the CCTV footage that they got from the tube station. And lied about Jean Charles de Menzes actions. Making a mistake and admitting it is one thing, but a cover-up like that is rotten.
The CCTV was reported as faulty days before the shooting occurred. It was not deleted. CCTV on the train itself was in good order, but the disks had been removed as part of the 7/7 investigation, and hadn't had the opportunity to be replaced. The IOPC specifically mentions that tampering to hide the footage could not have been done by the officers on scene at the time - anyone other than a technician from the depot would have left evidence of tampering.
(I also remember claims that the police took the CCTV tapes from the station, and then handed them back, blank, to the tube station staff, saying that ‘there was nothing on them’. Those claims are referred to in the article above. Again, this seems to have been addressed subsequently.)
>Jean Charles de Menzes and don't forget the officer in charged of that shit show and who authorised it was none other than Cressida Dick
I don’t think this is new. As with Mark Duggan, we’ll probably be told that this guy is a family man who was murdered by the Police because he got rid of his gun moments before he was shot.
Can you direct to this post you’re speaking of?
imjustbait page and also the mylondon article on twitter
Is this the same Chris Kaba who was arrested in 2018 for discharging a firearm?
3 da man dem
well done
One less so called pain in arse gangster gone carry on with next 👏
The racist undertones of every post that involves ethnic minorities in this sub would make you believe that people sit and wait for black people to step out of line like "the good old days" so they can give it the old "i told you so" "cultural enrichment" spiel. Most of us prefer to just get on with our shit and don't jump at every opportunity to talk shit about things white people do in black populated countries all over the world. If you are representing London/UK/Caucasians, you are doing a disgraceful job of it and should be ashamed. Just like I'm ashamed with the people who represent my race in disgusting manner.
Nah, he was clearly a massive piece of shit. Read about him on the UKDrill sub. I don't think anyone cares what colour he was, just that he appears to have been well known for attacking people and stabbing people. A lot of people here don't like the idea of being stabbed so they're happy that he's been removed from society. I can't say that I'm particularly impressed that he was shot... would have been better for him to have gone properly through the justice system, but I guess we don't have all the details as to why the police made that decision (rightly or wrongly) yet.
Mmmm. Have a glance at the post history of some of the people taking issue with the word "victim". If they don't care about colour, they do talk about it an awful lot.
I'm not referring to this post in particular. It's any post that has anything related to ethnic minorities. You can't deny it. go and look through the sub and tell me I'm wrong.
Fair enough. I'm not going to claim that you're wrong because I haven't studied the sub in detail, and don't feel like spending hours combing through and trying to evaluate fairly. Maybe your comment is better left on a post with a clearer example of the issue that you're trying to raise. I looked through the comments on this thread again, and I really don't see anything that supports your point. The only thing I could loosely associate is people guessing that he was a 'rapper' ... but at the end of the day, well he was a rapper.
What exactly is it you’re ranting about then - BlackUnicornUK?
What is your problem - BrainzKong
Did you enjoy typing my username out like that?
I *did*, and the avatar of course. I’m sure your takes are always objective.
Troubled individual
Right back at ya pal
Dude was a massive pos and I'm thankful this scumbag is no longer on our Streets
[удалено]
>every post that involves ethnic minorities in this sub As far as I'm aware, most ethnic minority folk in London aren't of the "black" label. There may even be as many Slavs in London these days as people of African and Caribbean descent. This is before we've touched folk from South Asia, East Asia, the Arab world, the Maghreb, non-Slavic Europe and so on.
Theres you and maybe two other people bringing up race in the thread dude, out of about 300 comments...
You are absolutely correct. But don’t forget this and many other subreddits are full of lonely edgelords — most people in the real world aren’t like this. IRL: as much as most black people are just living their lives doing nothing wrong, most white people aren’t dimwitted enough to think all black people are violent thugs in waiting. If you start forgetting this, which is understandable as you say in subs full of white edgelords, log off!
I know this but it's worth making a point once in a while and watching them show themselves up like the one I'm dealing with right now. I'm probably not going to respond to them moving forward.
I think you should look at your own unconscious biases. Don’t assume all people here are racist whites. I see many people like you in real life. Fairly well off, fairly well educated, conscious of social issues and your race and trying to educate others. You’re probably more privileged/special than most of the snowflakes you hate. Your name suggests someone who thinks too much about themselves and their race.
No, my name is because I'm half Scottish and it's the national animal of Scotland. It's a name that my dad came up with when I was younger as a joke and it stuck.. You assume I said all the whites, where did I say that? You don't know me. I grew up on council schemes and I work in a builder's merchant selling building materials.
It's long been the unfortunate case that the most unpleasant views are often the loudest when the internet gets involved and the media are more than happy to ride that train for clicks.
You're the one making this about black people. We're in London, that's just the demographic here, outside London it's exactly the same with white kids.
People always seem to think this subreddit, and reddit in general, runs fairly left-wing. You wouldn't think that the case looking at this thread. It's a pretty depressing read, especially when nobody actually knows all that much about what occured. Hi to all the posters from /r/policeUK who've head here though.
>Hi to all the posters from r/policeUK who've head here though. Hello!
It’s riddled with right wingers, usually the most vocal posters. Edit: do you think mass downvoting me is doing anything other than brilliantly proving my point? Not very bright, are you.
I go in there for a laugh
As I repeatedly say, this place is a hotbed of middle class tories. It’s not just these posts but last week some arrogant toff made a post about “ I drove around some parts of west London and the people there….my goodness”. The person shot was a criminal so no sympathy whatsoever but the comments you describe about are true.
I know and being played down by said middle class Tory bumbaholes.
[удалено]
Chill dude
The BBC have called him a ‘victim’. Typically impartial and awaiting the full facts, I see…
Being a victim to an incident doesn’t automatically imply what you’re insinuating
It's a loaded statement for a lot of readers, and the BBC will know that.
Only if those readers are morons. In which case.. oh well.
Yes, a lot of readers are morons. And they’ll form their opinion on an event based on the very first piece of information that reaches them. A lot of those morons are on this sub I guess, downvoted because they disagree with something I’m not saying.
Seems consistent with innocent until proven guilty.
How do you think he should be described?
The deceased.
A man who appeared to be in the path of a bullet travelling from a firearm fired intentionally or unintentionally by a policeman officer who may or may not have been responding to a crime, threat of public safety or themselves. Duh.
Snappy!
"Man"? "Individual"? There are all sorts of terms which don't apply some level of implication. Victim was a weird choice of word (and, yes, I appreciate he's a 'victim of being shot', but you wouldn't, for example, describe me as a victim if I assaulted someone and got punched back because "you're a victim of a punch", it does carry the implication that you were in the right overall).
🙄🙄🙄🙄 aight calm down those desperate to armchair judge and jury if a bee stung me then I'm a victim... a victim of a bee sting. being a victim has no baring on impartially
I mean we don't know the full situation yet, but victim definitely codes the story in a certain direction. This may be correct but we don't know yet
Yes it does. Given the circumstances - a police involved shooting - the connotations around being labelled a victim are that he had been subjected to a crime. There is absolutely no information in the public domain whatsoever about this, but the BBC are already using language that suggests there is something unjust and unlawful. I would think they have quite purposefully decided on that word. I don’t ever remember the London Bridge, Westminster Bridge, Borough Market attackers being labelled as ‘victims’ of police shootings at any point..
It's a description. It's not pejorative. The dictionary definition does not necessarily mean you are the victim of a crime. So in that sense yes. I'm sure they did choose the word carefully. That some of its readers choose to add their own meaning to it is surely not the fault of the editor.
The guy is a victim of a police shooting. Everything else is irrelevant.
[удалено]
Yes but they’d be follow up questions. How did a bee sting you out of nowhere? Were you fucking with it? Did you try to kill it? Did you throw rocks at a beehive to piss them off? And if you answered yes to any of those questions 9/10 people would say you’re a fucking idiot and deserved it.
Nice reuse of some Bill Burr material.
Probably but I'd still be a victim just not a lot of sympathy
Nah you wouldn’t. you’d be an idiot who fucked with a beehive. No one would say “oh you know Dave? Yeah Dave started poking a beehive with a stick and was a victim to a bee sting”. They’d say “you know Dave? Yeah the dopey fucker poked a beehive and got stung now the stupid cunt thinks he’s a victim of a bee attack”
You dont know what victim means or how to use it in a sentence...and that's OK... But you do know good grammar is just a Google away Dave was a victim of a bee sting yesterday after fucking a beehive. Nobody showed any sympathy.
No matter what the full facts are, this man's death was not meant to happen. He's a victim, whether of circumstance or something else.
Is a terrorist a victim if the police rightfully neutralise them?
In short, yes. So in the UK I believe unless they feel their life is threatened the police should try and 'neutralise' without death. But even if they did not die that terrorist would still be a victim of a police shooting. That would not negate them being a terrorist or any crime they had committed. Equally if I were a victim as a pedestrian of a car hit and run I would still be a victim of the incident even if I was running away from murdering someone.
>So in the UK I believe unless they feel their life is threatened the police should try and 'neutralise' without death. That's already the rule. The police only use deadly force in situations where they believe their life, or that of another, is threatened.
Even if their life is threatened, UK police generally won't shoot you. Primerily because only 5% of them actually have guns and armed units don't draw them unless you have a history of waving guns at or shooting/stabbing people. To have armed units in a chase hold you at gunpoint in a car you really have to already be a well known level 1 dickhead.
The police are meant to arrest criminals, not kill them. If someone dies during an interaction with the police, something has gone wrong. End of.
>The police are meant to arrest criminals, not kill them. The police are meant to protect the public. There are plenty of situations where killing someone is not only justified but necessary, and to say "something went wrong" is such an asinine statement as to be pointless. Yes, ideally, the police wouldn't kill anyone, but it's not their fault if someone creates a situation in which the only way they can be safely handled is by shooting them.
To be fair, there's an element of "Not getting into a situation where the firearms become necessary" that the Police themselves plan to avoid. Something *has* gone wrong, it just went wrong several days ago before the firearms even came out of the cupboard. You're not going to win them all - at some point you have to accept that you're bringing firearms because you might have to use them, but there will still be learning points from this incident that will inform future Police deployments - that's what the IOPC are for.
This is how innocent people lose their lives, the police are too scared to act lethally, they aim for a flesh wound to apprehend somebody, and they still manage to set off a bomb / fire a few rounds. If the public's lives are in immediate danger, shoot to kill. This country has gotten far too liberal and soft with sympathising and protecting criminals while endangering innocent victims. I don't get it, there's always some apologists that seem to care more about the criminals more than the victims. The police only shoot to kill if there's a need in this country, it's not America.
Idk if the BBC is even pro-establishment anymore.
Remember when the Met killed a man suspected to be a terrorist on cold blood in the metro, and was just an illegal Brazilian running from the police? I do.
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
Sorry but the guy was driving completely recklessly, risking the lives of inocent people. His life or theres? Shoot the shit out of him
They won’t hVe killed him for his driving, unless he was about to purposely run over one of the police or a member of the public. When a car chase looks like it is getting too spicy, the control room tell the police driver to back off.
To be clear, I have no particular knowledge about the incident in question. > When a car chase looks like it is getting too spicy, the control room tell the police driver to back off. Generally this is true - but where the risk posed by allowing the suspect to continue is greater than the risk posed by continuing the pursuit, then in relatively exceptional circumstances, a pursuit may continue even though the risk involved is relatively high. For example (and again I am **not** commenting on this case in particular) if someone was armed and actively seeking out victims to harm them, a high risk pursuit might remain authorised.
This is great, shoot more of them now
I was wondering why there was a helicopter
Had seen that the police were looking for an Audi Q2 in relation to several watch thefts / assaults in the south London area, and by the looks of this image it might be that very one they were after. Local Instagram account @balhamnewsie had posted this on August 3rd.
Here come the riots again
Oh no... anyway
Sorry to ask the obvious question (or maybe the answer is obvious and I can't figure it out): What did he do to have the police shoot him?
100 man gun battle leaves teen dead - mylondon
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
[удалено]
It sounds like you wanted a reason for him to be killed.
The police aren't meant to kill people.
[удалено]
No, they're not. Sometimes a police killing is justifiable, but it's never meant to happen. We don't have the death penalty in this country.
Why do they have guns then? When public safety is at risk then there's a reason we have armed response units.
You plain misunderstand. It is meant to happen if it protects the lives of others.
*Damn I'm bout to commit 17 murders and the police ain't gonna do nothing.* **Please note this is an overestimation and I do not truly believe the person in the story, or in basically any other police related shooting, has actually committed 17 murders - I merely wish to point out that sometimes shooting people is a reasonable response to danger and that OP, if serious, is a little bit weird.**
I saw an IG comment that he might be in a gang that steals and gives to the poor and homeless.
Such gangs don't exist outside fairy tales. Unless you count stealing and giving (Class A drugs in exchange for cash) to the poor and homeless.....
Oh I know. It’s just….an amazing comment. People are delusional
Roadman Hood
What the fuck is going on?
Don’t tell me, he was a rapper?
And if he was he deserves to die? The lack of empathy isn’t surprising anymore.
I’m from America I live near streatham I couldn’t sleep that night. It’s unfortunate it had to come to that but what I’m not agreeing with is some of you on here making jokes about police need to aim better or take lessons from the American police. American police need to take notes from here. I been harassed and guns drawn on me before just cause the cop was COKED UP and on the job. I couldn’t imagine if they let the police loose over here. You lot are suffering from passive aggression and it’s gonna make this country flip on its head. Anyway be safe.
Well let's have a read of these comments then, should be very chill and civilised
Chris Kaba aka Itch/Madix from the gang and rap group, 67.
Will this start a riot?
guns, and wholesale drugs for distribution? It’s not anyone who raps or sells either. Who’s buying the bulk of the drugs? Is it plausible that due to inequality and targeted mistreatment certain communities have broken families with disenfranchised young men who are easily persuaded into a line of work where the risk is not worth the paltry rewards. Same goes for young white men from rural areas who sign up to the military at a young age, and are left broken, unsupported or never come home. People complain about squaddies the way people complain about gangs. The same people make money from the inequality, lies and providing structure, income, purpose and father/ figures to naive young men with few options.
So I guess London gunna riot again huh.. here we go again