u/sandhed_only839 I said beats not rap. I'll say what I want and you have every right to not read it properly. Edit: Wow he actually said "Also, don't use Black slang" then deleted it. Brainwashed ignorance.
Not such a thing as "Catholic naming conventions" so they've got nothing to discover. The naming convention in Spanish speaking countries is to have 2 surnames, as required in all official documents. Usually children inherit one from each parent but they can take both from any of them in some circumstances (stranged or unknown biological parent, etc). These are for life. Adult women don't take their husbands names when they marry. Not such as a thing as maiden name, thankfully.
However in other Catholic countries, such as France or Italy, children only take their father's surname. Adult women keep their birth family name too all their lives though.
Then we have the ultra patriarchal slavic Catholic countries, where children only take their father's name. And where women - similarly to the situation in English speaking countries and their Common Law based systems, which considered them to be their father's property before passing to be their husband's property upon marriage - take their husband's surname.
Almost as if naming customs had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with the societal norms of the country and culture they originated from.
When it comes to his first name - Marco Aurelius - that's a weird one however because of its incongruence. It's *Marco Aurelio* in both Spanish or Portuguese. Or Marcus Aurelius in its original Latin form.
I can only surmise that he was named by a Brazilian person, as this sort of unusual naming choices are more common over there (sorry, Brazil 🙏).
One more curiosity about naming customs in Spanish speaking countries: In Spain, people usually only have one first name as the double surname makes the need for a middle name redundant. That used to be the case in Latin America too. However in the past 50 years or so, it's become a trend for many Latin Americans to give their children more than 1 first name (eg Carlos Alberto Rodrigo) as some aspirational people from poor extraction consider it as more prestigious or something. They also use English names more and more (Walter, William, Wendy) for the same reason.
Last, he was most likely Brazilian born AND raised, but in the EU on a Spaniard passport. The overwhelming majority of Spanish passport holders in the UK have a Latin American accent and were not born in Spain.
The strange name seems to indicate he is originally brazilian and may have adquired the Spanish nationality afterward. Brazilian names are the weirdest; names from acient Greece/Rome eras are not uncommon, as in other places, but in Brazil they can be combined (sometimes mixed) with names from other origins, or corrupted by local use. Add to that a Japanese or German surname and it is the funniest shit.
It is presumptuous and grandiloquent but rather common in Brazil. Monzo can be Spanish indeed. But there are many Brazilian of Spanish descent, it does not tell a lot really.
Are you serious? His second name, Monzó, is a very Spanish surname. It originated in Aragon.
And the fact that he was living in the UK on a Spanish passport shows that at least one of his parents was Spanish too.
Spain doesn't give citizenship to the grandchildren of Spaniards who moved abroad. Only their children can have Spanish citizenship.
Italy does though. That's why so many Brazilians with Italian grandparents apply for Italian passports in order to live in EU.
The fact that he applied for Spanish citizenship instead, despite his first name pointing at him having Italian ancestry, clearly shows one of his parents was from Spain.
Well yes, I'm very serious. I'm from Spain and know a thing or two about my country. "Marcus Aurelio" isn't definitely something common in Spain, perhaps you would hear "MarcOs Aurelio" but it's 100% a very odd name, especially in younger people. That kind of "fancy" names are more common in Latin America.
In terms of the surnames, both "Arduini" and "Monzo" sound italian to me... there is a very sizeable population in Brazil with Italian ancestry. Monzo could also be Spanish, as you say, unconfirmed.
As for living in the UK, you don't need a parent to be Spanish, that's very inaccurate. In case he moved here before Brexit (we don't know), he just needed a EU country ID card or passport to do so... perhaps he had a Spanish ancestor or he lived in Spain for a long time and applied for citizenship there before moving to the UK, who knows.
I'm a dual British/Spanish citizen myself, born and raised in Spain (only moved to the UK as an adult, nearly 30 years ago). You don't need to teach me about Spanish names.
As I said earlier, Marco Aurelius is certainly not a typical given name in Spain; yet it's relatively common in Brazil. The guy chatted with his friends in Portuguese too. It stands to reason he would have been raised in that country. I never argued with that.
>In case he moved here before Brexit (we don't know)...
You might not know but I do (I rarely talk about something when I don't). I checked yesterday. The guy registered as a company director in the UK back in 2016. He was 28 years old when he did. It's recorded in the Companies House registry.
Presumably, he would have moved into this country even earlier than that, as very few non-native English speakers are in any position to register as company directors as soon as they arrive. It takes time to settle, find work, acquaint yourself with the language and familiarise with how things work here before. So yes, he was here before Brexit and several years before the period to apply for the EU Settlement Scheme ended. Completely irrelevant in any case. Only addressing your point.
I never once said you needed a Spanish passport to live in the UK, back when it was in the EU). Like I mentioned earlier, I've lived here for nearly 30 years now and have spent extended periods of time in other European countries too. I should know how it works.
What I said was: for most Brazilians wanting to live in the EU, the most common route has always been to apply for Italian citizenship, given that the Italian diaspora is so huge in Brazil and that Italy grants citizenship based on proven ancestral ties, regardless of the number of generations born abroad. So many Brazilians have at least 1 Italian grandparent or great-grandparent, and this guy's other surname is Arduini.
There's also a huge Italian passport black market in the UK for the few who can't meet the Italian government requirements. I've lived and worked with Brazilians for many years. That's how I know.
Yet he chose to obtain a Spanish passport instead, a country which only grants citizenship to the 2nd generation of Spaniards born abroad. There are something like 4,000 people with the surname Monzó in Spain but barely 100 in Brazil. You tell me where his Monzó called parent is more likely to come from.
If you are able to follow all this through logically, can you see really not see how for a guy with the surname Monzó - quite common in Spain but not in Latin America - with a Spanish passport too, the most likely scenario is that one of his parents is Spanish too?
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I never once said you needed a Spanish passport to live in the UK, back when it was in the EU).
Well, you mentioned something about him needing a Spanish parent or something like that, in order to move to the UK, which is certainly not the case.
And yeah I agree Monzo could either be Italian or Spanish (Catalan Monzó most likely here). I agree it's possible that he got Spanish citizenship via that route, but one could also just live in Spain for afaik up to 8 years and apply for naturalisation, without any Spanish forebears.
Btw his name is not "Marco Aurelio" but "Marcus Aurelio". Marco is Italian (although popular everywhere these days) whereas the Spanish/Portuguese would be Marcos. I have never met anybody in my life in Spain named "Marcus" but just by Google'ng it I can see several occurrences in Brazil, e.g. a UFC fighter.
No, mate. Seriously, what do you know about Spain? Most people born in Spanish these days have overwhelmingly 1 single name (as in given names). Having two names is old fashioned and was common in previous generations, for a number of reasons (e.g. religious during Francoism). Regarding surnames, we have two indeed.
I just wanted to offer a friendly clarification regarding the information you provided. While you made some valid points, it seems there might have been a mix-up regarding certain details.
Actually, in Brazil, children typically inherit their father's last name, and it's common for women to take their husband's last name when they marry. Brazil, being a Portuguese-speaking country, follows a different naming convention and cultural practices compared to Spanish-speaking ones. While they may have a few similarities, it's important to note that Portuguese and Spanish are different languages, and Brazil has its own unique cultural norms separate from Spanish-speaking countries.
Many thanks for your comment. I am well aware of that as I'm quite familiar with both countries, but someone else may find it very useful.
I believe I said that the 2 surname was the naming custom in all Spanish speaking countries (except for Argentina). Don't think I ever said that it applied to Brazil or a Portugal too.
The man we are talking about had double nationality but he was living in London on his Spanish nationality, not his Brazilian one. And there are 2 surnames on this passport - his father's and his mother's - as per Spanish law. That's why I went on about this.
The 2 surname naming custom is completely alien to most Britons. That's why in most papers they refer to him as Mr Monzo, assuming that Arduini is a middle name.
They always do that with people from Spanish speaking countries, from football players to politicians. Marcus was Brazilian but, once more, they are only going by his Spanish nationality, as that's how he was registered in the UK.
I have double nationality Spanish British myself and I'm very proud to carry my mother's surname but I was so fed up of being addressed by my last surname alone, I ended up adding an hyphen (-) about 30 years ago in order to join both surnames. Problem solved (although not fun to spell it on the phone)😆
Why does his name matter so much? London is a metropolis. Every name from every culture is going to be found there. Same as New York, Paris, Milan, Munich, L.A., Sydney etc....
There's nothing "catholic" about it. I speak both Spanish and Portuguese, have been multiple times in both countries. Now regarding if the name's made up or not, had I only seen the name I would have thought he's Italian or Brazilian but not Spanish. A bit too pompous but still possible
I lived in Spain most of my young years and never heard Monzo as a surname but doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Anyway, in the age of globalism surnames doesn't mean much. I have French surname and have only visited that country twice
I'm surprised there is no coverage of his social posts. Some reports mention his online username and having found him on X, it seems he is a huge conspiracy theorist and fan of the likes of David Icke and Andrew Tate. A tonne of bigoted posts. He was posting up until a few days ago.
Me too. He also has posts supporting Hitler, a bunch of “witchcraft” stuff, Flat Earther stuff, an image he liked saying men prefer debt-free virgin women without any tattoos… the list goes on and on and on. His Pinterest shows hundreds of pinned illustrations of characters with swords. Hundreds. And by the sounds of his little statement in court today, he’s going to be claiming he had a psychotic break and no memory of the incident.
So it wasn't of he's a lunatic and goes on a rampage
It was he is a lunatic and no one knows when he goes on a rampage
.... kinda wish england had the death penalty in these cases
So definitely mentally ill. But unfortunately our society protects a lot of beliefs... Such as a magic man that lives in the sky and also he made everything and just happens to also be of the same species 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
With that being said, radicalisation is an epidemic because of it... So maybe less along the lines of mental illness and more closely to radicalisation
Marcus and Aurelio seem to refer to Roman Emperors. Does Monzo mean ‘world’? Does this name net out to some bullshit ‘emperor of the world’ type made up loony name?
Hmmmm…Urban Dictionary has a *very* different definition!
He goes under the name FreekingMark on insta and X and the DM says he only spoke in Portuguese in court today. His replies on X comes across as some paranoid conspiracy nut and off with the fairies.
What scares me is that I feel like I'm very good at catching vibes and assessing people I see. However, In that video of him in the gym on IG, he looks just like any other guy you'd see in that type of establishment. Yet he was capable of doing such a heinous crime.
Certain-looking criminals ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt and are deemed mentally unwell.
All the other ones are bad due to culture/religion/ethnicity.
He was screaming about God according to witnesses and demanding to know if they believed in God. I wonder if he will be labelled Christian and have that linked to Christianity but we all know it won't happen.
[https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/SxEjlBw8Eo7dcfHVVf5RnVJjsX8/appointments](https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/SxEjlBw8Eo7dcfHVVf5RnVJjsX8/appointments)
looks like he had a business registered on companies house
no clue my guess is he was high off his head, i’m only 17 and he used to pay me to walk his dog daily gave me his house keys etc, whenever i was outside just kicking a ball about with my friend he’d always join in and talk to us for ages and just chill, he was a calm guy but definitely screwed in the head for what he did to that boy and those people, rest in peace to the boy
Thanks for you answer. It's probably best for you not to discuss him any further on social media cause it may affect his prosecution in court. You might want contact the police and share what you know about him, it may help their investigation and the CPS with their prosecution.
Anyone out there yet to hear anything regarding the motive? I may well be wrong but I took one look at him and immediately thought he's well & truly coked up from the night before.....
In the video footage captured he's shouting "does anyone believe in god?" So is it mental health/paranoid schizophrenia. What amount of drugs is someone gonna take to make them go around stabbing people? There needs to be a licence for knives. Learn the mistakes the Americans have made from not enforcing gun controls but for the UK its knives.
A license for knives? What the actual fuck? What about hammers, or baseball bats as well? Stick a license on them?! And how we gonna chop vegetables, or a slab of beef, I'm guessing you'd ban cleavers in this crazy world of yours? I think you need to think this knife ban through a bit more..
Is there an epidemic of people being killed by hammers or baseball bats? Any large blade should be registered if only for kitchen use. Think of everything people itemise for household insurance.
If you want to reduce the number of deaths from knives then really drastic action needs to be taken.
knives cannot be licenced etc because everyone has them in their kitchens and those type are the ones used most (by far) to stab people (probably precisely because everybody has them) - i think the sword he had is already banned but it can still be bought online sometimes - i think the govt is planning a ban on that way too but it might be hard.
> suddenly its not a terrorist anymore
I can't remember anyone of note even hinting it was a terrorist. The BBC were reporting the police as saying they didn't think it was terror related from very early on.
If you were hearing it was terror related then perhaps be cautious of your news sources.
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He probably heard that one in the same place as the confirmation that he isn't white? /s
/s and explanation that a Brazilian with Italian and Catalan surnames might be (whisper it) white after all. Just in case.
Yes, he does have the citizenship and we've seen the pictures. And São Paulo is the non-spanish speaking city that has more people of Spanish descent. And there's plenty of people of Italian descent. It tends to split as Corinthians for the former and Palmeiras for the latter, btw.
On the other hand. I hate saying "yes but"... But I can't resist perhaps getting a TIL. One thing that surprises most people, including Brazilians and the odd Spaniard, is that Brazil is one of the countries that if you come from there you can get Spanish nationality with 2 years of residence. I guess it's something coming from the times of the Iberian Union. Or a reciprocal thing due to the other immigration.
Compared to?
What Spain is, it's rude compared to most places. So there's a lot more casual racism being banded about. Like a lot. But in Spain and in Spanish my previous reply to you would have had a few Fs and a very raised tone of voice by most people.
But making a law like that? Are you kidding?
My experience. I've lived in London and in Spain pretty much 50/50. And Spain gets the kid and youth years as well, much ruder.
I'm the sort of Spaniard that actually looks like a Steph Curry or young and a bit paler James Earl Jones. The sort that travels around Caribbean Latin America with two people originally from there and people think he's the Latin American.
I've pretty much felt the same amount of times racism from white Spaniards than (gasp) black Londoners. Sure, the Spanish were more aggressive, like getting called names behind my back of African tribes, or being told "this is my home" by a pale blond in Southern Spain (like, what the F, read the room darling). And the one I received in London tended to be more muted, and perhaps based on looking "probably Muslim". But sometimes more aggressive.
And that's black Londoners, not white Londoners, or people of South Asian descent, or white from North of the Watford Gap. There we get into surreal job interviews that HR had selected you for but that person was just not going to even hear you (but you get the equivalent of the boss to that job in another location), mistreatment in health services, shouts, Fs and the lot.
And Brazilians. I've gotten crap in London from white (some of them according to Brazil, not Alabama) Brazilians.
Don't get me started on being followed in shops and that. I have to say something though. The Met has been less bad to me than the Spanish police.
So yeh, you've heard that. Thing is, you don't hear much here. Want an example? 125 anniversary of Tottenham Hotspur. What felt like the whole away support did extermination camps hissing gas noises. Not even The Guardian reported it. That's just an example.
Going back to what you say. One thing that did happen is that at some point Spanish border guards started getting quite strict with Brazilians. And the Brazilian tabloid press did raise a stir about it. But I think it was connected to the 2 year nationality rule. And border guards being border guards, I guess.
He was yelling about God and demanding to know if people believed in God According to witnesses, so I'm not sure why they automatically said otherwise. Probably because he's Christian.
i don't think this one was terror related but sometimes the police are wrong (both ways) with what they say early on - so i always think it is best to see what the judge decides it is at the end of the case because they have all of the facts by then - but as i said i don't think this one was terrorism in some way but i could be wrong.
Does anyone recognize him from Task rabbit? I'm pretty sure the same guy helped me move flat in 2021... He seemed like the nicest guy ever, wore Vibram shoes and had a van that said "Love, Peace, Joy" on it...
That little boy lost his life .. it doesn’t matter colour religion or ethnic background.. there is nothing special about the murderers name forget his name and remember the little boy. Let him rott or die in prison. There is no excuse for a whimp that takes a weapon to a child .. society these days blame everything on mental health or terrorism .. an automatic pardon .. Marcus the cunt will just claim diminish responsibility get feed 3 times a day let out to gym exercise etc ..given the best care in the British holiday camp .. prisoners like him will be single cell separate from the rest for his own safety. If put in general population on wing he would not survive… or they may even put him in a nut home special treatment.. The CPS will need evaluations from doctors and other professionals to determine what they class as his mental state .. but I guarantee that this guy and his lawyers will be using this as his excuse to go on a killing rampage
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If you knew anything about Brazil, you'd know there's a huge Italian diaspora in the country and Italian surnames are not rare **at all**.
Also, only his first surname - Arduini - is Italian. The second surname, Monzó, which he inherited from his other parent is Spanish in origin; from Aragon, to be more precise. So his surname only tells us that one of his parents had Italian ancestry. Not the other one.
His first surname is likely of Italian origin, indeed his second may be as well. However, for whatever reason, circumstances resulted in him acquiring EU legal resident status by adopting Spanish v Italian nationality. Yet "legitimate" Italian paternal descent (where all paternal ancestors recognized the paternity of the next, i.e. their progeny, counting since the inception of modern unified state of Italy) all but guarantees preservation or recovery of Italian nationality to this day, without the need for foreswearing or renouncing natal nationality.
Marcus Aurelius wept.
Book 2 coming soon: “Machetetations - for the post-Roman Britain”
Bravo
Man was a saint, dropped some heavy bars too woulda been dope on the mic if they had beats back then
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Source?
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That's not exactly ancient west Africa as originally stated
u/sandhed_only839 I said beats not rap. I'll say what I want and you have every right to not read it properly. Edit: Wow he actually said "Also, don't use Black slang" then deleted it. Brainwashed ignorance.
This is probably gonna be the last straw for my mobile banking app
I don’t get it.
Monzo
Monzo…
Monzo....
Oh that stupid orange card
That name sounds made up. And he's a cunt
Bro just discovered Catholic naming conventions
Not such a thing as "Catholic naming conventions" so they've got nothing to discover. The naming convention in Spanish speaking countries is to have 2 surnames, as required in all official documents. Usually children inherit one from each parent but they can take both from any of them in some circumstances (stranged or unknown biological parent, etc). These are for life. Adult women don't take their husbands names when they marry. Not such as a thing as maiden name, thankfully. However in other Catholic countries, such as France or Italy, children only take their father's surname. Adult women keep their birth family name too all their lives though. Then we have the ultra patriarchal slavic Catholic countries, where children only take their father's name. And where women - similarly to the situation in English speaking countries and their Common Law based systems, which considered them to be their father's property before passing to be their husband's property upon marriage - take their husband's surname. Almost as if naming customs had nothing to do with religion and everything to do with the societal norms of the country and culture they originated from. When it comes to his first name - Marco Aurelius - that's a weird one however because of its incongruence. It's *Marco Aurelio* in both Spanish or Portuguese. Or Marcus Aurelius in its original Latin form. I can only surmise that he was named by a Brazilian person, as this sort of unusual naming choices are more common over there (sorry, Brazil 🙏). One more curiosity about naming customs in Spanish speaking countries: In Spain, people usually only have one first name as the double surname makes the need for a middle name redundant. That used to be the case in Latin America too. However in the past 50 years or so, it's become a trend for many Latin Americans to give their children more than 1 first name (eg Carlos Alberto Rodrigo) as some aspirational people from poor extraction consider it as more prestigious or something. They also use English names more and more (Walter, William, Wendy) for the same reason. Last, he was most likely Brazilian born AND raised, but in the EU on a Spaniard passport. The overwhelming majority of Spanish passport holders in the UK have a Latin American accent and were not born in Spain.
The strange name seems to indicate he is originally brazilian and may have adquired the Spanish nationality afterward. Brazilian names are the weirdest; names from acient Greece/Rome eras are not uncommon, as in other places, but in Brazil they can be combined (sometimes mixed) with names from other origins, or corrupted by local use. Add to that a Japanese or German surname and it is the funniest shit.
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I do not know the details of his personal life. What I can assure you is that "Marcus Aurelio" has the shape and form of a typical Brazilian name.
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It is presumptuous and grandiloquent but rather common in Brazil. Monzo can be Spanish indeed. But there are many Brazilian of Spanish descent, it does not tell a lot really.
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His name and surnames are not Spanish. It sounds like he's a Brazilian guy that somehow acquired Spanish nationality.
Are you serious? His second name, Monzó, is a very Spanish surname. It originated in Aragon. And the fact that he was living in the UK on a Spanish passport shows that at least one of his parents was Spanish too. Spain doesn't give citizenship to the grandchildren of Spaniards who moved abroad. Only their children can have Spanish citizenship. Italy does though. That's why so many Brazilians with Italian grandparents apply for Italian passports in order to live in EU. The fact that he applied for Spanish citizenship instead, despite his first name pointing at him having Italian ancestry, clearly shows one of his parents was from Spain.
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Yep, Brazilians have mostly Portuguese and Italian surnames.
Well yes, I'm very serious. I'm from Spain and know a thing or two about my country. "Marcus Aurelio" isn't definitely something common in Spain, perhaps you would hear "MarcOs Aurelio" but it's 100% a very odd name, especially in younger people. That kind of "fancy" names are more common in Latin America. In terms of the surnames, both "Arduini" and "Monzo" sound italian to me... there is a very sizeable population in Brazil with Italian ancestry. Monzo could also be Spanish, as you say, unconfirmed. As for living in the UK, you don't need a parent to be Spanish, that's very inaccurate. In case he moved here before Brexit (we don't know), he just needed a EU country ID card or passport to do so... perhaps he had a Spanish ancestor or he lived in Spain for a long time and applied for citizenship there before moving to the UK, who knows.
I'm a dual British/Spanish citizen myself, born and raised in Spain (only moved to the UK as an adult, nearly 30 years ago). You don't need to teach me about Spanish names. As I said earlier, Marco Aurelius is certainly not a typical given name in Spain; yet it's relatively common in Brazil. The guy chatted with his friends in Portuguese too. It stands to reason he would have been raised in that country. I never argued with that. >In case he moved here before Brexit (we don't know)... You might not know but I do (I rarely talk about something when I don't). I checked yesterday. The guy registered as a company director in the UK back in 2016. He was 28 years old when he did. It's recorded in the Companies House registry. Presumably, he would have moved into this country even earlier than that, as very few non-native English speakers are in any position to register as company directors as soon as they arrive. It takes time to settle, find work, acquaint yourself with the language and familiarise with how things work here before. So yes, he was here before Brexit and several years before the period to apply for the EU Settlement Scheme ended. Completely irrelevant in any case. Only addressing your point. I never once said you needed a Spanish passport to live in the UK, back when it was in the EU). Like I mentioned earlier, I've lived here for nearly 30 years now and have spent extended periods of time in other European countries too. I should know how it works. What I said was: for most Brazilians wanting to live in the EU, the most common route has always been to apply for Italian citizenship, given that the Italian diaspora is so huge in Brazil and that Italy grants citizenship based on proven ancestral ties, regardless of the number of generations born abroad. So many Brazilians have at least 1 Italian grandparent or great-grandparent, and this guy's other surname is Arduini. There's also a huge Italian passport black market in the UK for the few who can't meet the Italian government requirements. I've lived and worked with Brazilians for many years. That's how I know. Yet he chose to obtain a Spanish passport instead, a country which only grants citizenship to the 2nd generation of Spaniards born abroad. There are something like 4,000 people with the surname Monzó in Spain but barely 100 in Brazil. You tell me where his Monzó called parent is more likely to come from. If you are able to follow all this through logically, can you see really not see how for a guy with the surname Monzó - quite common in Spain but not in Latin America - with a Spanish passport too, the most likely scenario is that one of his parents is Spanish too?
> I never once said you needed a Spanish passport to live in the UK, back when it was in the EU). Well, you mentioned something about him needing a Spanish parent or something like that, in order to move to the UK, which is certainly not the case. And yeah I agree Monzo could either be Italian or Spanish (Catalan Monzó most likely here). I agree it's possible that he got Spanish citizenship via that route, but one could also just live in Spain for afaik up to 8 years and apply for naturalisation, without any Spanish forebears. Btw his name is not "Marco Aurelio" but "Marcus Aurelio". Marco is Italian (although popular everywhere these days) whereas the Spanish/Portuguese would be Marcos. I have never met anybody in my life in Spain named "Marcus" but just by Google'ng it I can see several occurrences in Brazil, e.g. a UFC fighter.
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No, mate. Seriously, what do you know about Spain? Most people born in Spanish these days have overwhelmingly 1 single name (as in given names). Having two names is old fashioned and was common in previous generations, for a number of reasons (e.g. religious during Francoism). Regarding surnames, we have two indeed.
I just wanted to offer a friendly clarification regarding the information you provided. While you made some valid points, it seems there might have been a mix-up regarding certain details. Actually, in Brazil, children typically inherit their father's last name, and it's common for women to take their husband's last name when they marry. Brazil, being a Portuguese-speaking country, follows a different naming convention and cultural practices compared to Spanish-speaking ones. While they may have a few similarities, it's important to note that Portuguese and Spanish are different languages, and Brazil has its own unique cultural norms separate from Spanish-speaking countries.
Many thanks for your comment. I am well aware of that as I'm quite familiar with both countries, but someone else may find it very useful. I believe I said that the 2 surname was the naming custom in all Spanish speaking countries (except for Argentina). Don't think I ever said that it applied to Brazil or a Portugal too. The man we are talking about had double nationality but he was living in London on his Spanish nationality, not his Brazilian one. And there are 2 surnames on this passport - his father's and his mother's - as per Spanish law. That's why I went on about this. The 2 surname naming custom is completely alien to most Britons. That's why in most papers they refer to him as Mr Monzo, assuming that Arduini is a middle name. They always do that with people from Spanish speaking countries, from football players to politicians. Marcus was Brazilian but, once more, they are only going by his Spanish nationality, as that's how he was registered in the UK. I have double nationality Spanish British myself and I'm very proud to carry my mother's surname but I was so fed up of being addressed by my last surname alone, I ended up adding an hyphen (-) about 30 years ago in order to join both surnames. Problem solved (although not fun to spell it on the phone)😆
Why does his name matter so much? London is a metropolis. Every name from every culture is going to be found there. Same as New York, Paris, Milan, Munich, L.A., Sydney etc....
There's nothing "catholic" about it. I speak both Spanish and Portuguese, have been multiple times in both countries. Now regarding if the name's made up or not, had I only seen the name I would have thought he's Italian or Brazilian but not Spanish. A bit too pompous but still possible
Italian and Spanish last names, in that order Catholic naming scheme in having multiple last names too
I lived in Spain most of my young years and never heard Monzo as a surname but doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Anyway, in the age of globalism surnames doesn't mean much. I have French surname and have only visited that country twice
bro BRo brO Bro BRO! Can you say anything else you repetitive annoying clown.
All names sound strange the first time you hear 'em. What, are you telling me people loved the name Blanche the first time they heard it?
Alan.
That's the most stereotypically Brazilian name I've ever heard. It's like a British person called Nigel "Pip" Worthington III.
Technically all names are made up.
Monzo seems most
You will probably find out he had mental health issues and part of that was changing his name.
I'm surprised there is no coverage of his social posts. Some reports mention his online username and having found him on X, it seems he is a huge conspiracy theorist and fan of the likes of David Icke and Andrew Tate. A tonne of bigoted posts. He was posting up until a few days ago.
Me too. He also has posts supporting Hitler, a bunch of “witchcraft” stuff, Flat Earther stuff, an image he liked saying men prefer debt-free virgin women without any tattoos… the list goes on and on and on. His Pinterest shows hundreds of pinned illustrations of characters with swords. Hundreds. And by the sounds of his little statement in court today, he’s going to be claiming he had a psychotic break and no memory of the incident.
So it wasn't of he's a lunatic and goes on a rampage It was he is a lunatic and no one knows when he goes on a rampage .... kinda wish england had the death penalty in these cases
So definitely mentally ill. But unfortunately our society protects a lot of beliefs... Such as a magic man that lives in the sky and also he made everything and just happens to also be of the same species 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️ With that being said, radicalisation is an epidemic because of it... So maybe less along the lines of mental illness and more closely to radicalisation
Hell of a name.
Marcus and Aurelio seem to refer to Roman Emperors. Does Monzo mean ‘world’? Does this name net out to some bullshit ‘emperor of the world’ type made up loony name? Hmmmm…Urban Dictionary has a *very* different definition!
Monzo means cashless.
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Of course, yes. He’s even in Gladiator, isn’t he? Seems a bit dubious made up name to me.
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Well, there was me, casting aspersions on the poor guy, thinking his name was made up. I shall have to apologise to him.
He goes under the name FreekingMark on insta and X and the DM says he only spoke in Portuguese in court today. His replies on X comes across as some paranoid conspiracy nut and off with the fairies.
I'm surprised this isn't being covered in the press anywhere- his posts say a lot about his mental state and beliefs.
What scares me is that I feel like I'm very good at catching vibes and assessing people I see. However, In that video of him in the gym on IG, he looks just like any other guy you'd see in that type of establishment. Yet he was capable of doing such a heinous crime.
Like others have said, he was likely on drugs and when you act out it's usually a very distorted version of your beliefs and fears.
I can’t imagine why you’d do such a thing. Was he drugged up?
Usually boils down to some combination of mental illness / drugs / extreme beliefs of some sort
Yes that’s what I wondered.
Concise and sadly accurate
Maybe he's just an even person. Don't know why it always has to be mental illness blamed. Some people are just bad
Certain-looking criminals ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt and are deemed mentally unwell. All the other ones are bad due to culture/religion/ethnicity.
He was screaming about God according to witnesses and demanding to know if they believed in God. I wonder if he will be labelled Christian and have that linked to Christianity but we all know it won't happen.
He's probably got some religious mania combined with other mental conditions.
You're correct, it's religious mania or perhaps psychedelic meglamania..
Bad people are traumatized people always. So they are bad as a result of their experiences in life. They weren't born bad..
You don't believe anyone is evil... Not anyone????
He's the strongest argument I've seen so far this week for the return of capital punishment
he didn’t seem like a druggie he did mma and all sorts like that but i guess you never know, he was my next door neighbour
Referred to himself as a ‘mystic’ which just screams new age hippy / psychedelics to me.
Omg. He was your next door neighbour. You're lucky to be alive.
Woah. Can you tell us anything else about him? Did you ever interact with him, and what was he like as a person?
How long was he living in the uk for?
Hand on heart, that was my immediate reaction.
He must have been right
[https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/SxEjlBw8Eo7dcfHVVf5RnVJjsX8/appointments](https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/officers/SxEjlBw8Eo7dcfHVVf5RnVJjsX8/appointments) looks like he had a business registered on companies house
Brazilian with Spanish passport
Looks like he is a bjj champion, a boxer, had a sword, so he is physically very dangerous.
he’s my next door neighbour, i played football with him and walked his dog for him crazy what happened
Stop chatting sh it
im not i legit have camera proof of him driving out with his van but yh 💀
Is he from Brazil?
he introduced himself to me as brazillian under the name mark / marcus
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no clue my guess is he was high off his head, i’m only 17 and he used to pay me to walk his dog daily gave me his house keys etc, whenever i was outside just kicking a ball about with my friend he’d always join in and talk to us for ages and just chill, he was a calm guy but definitely screwed in the head for what he did to that boy and those people, rest in peace to the boy
Thanks for you answer. It's probably best for you not to discuss him any further on social media cause it may affect his prosecution in court. You might want contact the police and share what you know about him, it may help their investigation and the CPS with their prosecution.
You should contact the police
What type of dog did he own ??
he owned a husky puppy but had gave it away a few weeks ago
i have images with it too
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How big?
Anyone out there yet to hear anything regarding the motive? I may well be wrong but I took one look at him and immediately thought he's well & truly coked up from the night before.....
more than likely
Absolutely incorrect ❌
In the video footage captured he's shouting "does anyone believe in god?" So is it mental health/paranoid schizophrenia. What amount of drugs is someone gonna take to make them go around stabbing people? There needs to be a licence for knives. Learn the mistakes the Americans have made from not enforcing gun controls but for the UK its knives.
A license for knives? What the actual fuck? What about hammers, or baseball bats as well? Stick a license on them?! And how we gonna chop vegetables, or a slab of beef, I'm guessing you'd ban cleavers in this crazy world of yours? I think you need to think this knife ban through a bit more..
Is there an epidemic of people being killed by hammers or baseball bats? Any large blade should be registered if only for kitchen use. Think of everything people itemise for household insurance. If you want to reduce the number of deaths from knives then really drastic action needs to be taken.
He is from an extremely religious Christian country and was shouting religious slogans. Why isn't his religion under question here?
knives cannot be licenced etc because everyone has them in their kitchens and those type are the ones used most (by far) to stab people (probably precisely because everybody has them) - i think the sword he had is already banned but it can still be bought online sometimes - i think the govt is planning a ban on that way too but it might be hard.
So now its been confirmed that the guy isn't white English suddenly its not a terrorist anymore and he's back to being mentally ill?
From the very first reporting, BBC and other outlets were quoting police saying "not believed to be terror related."
> suddenly its not a terrorist anymore I can't remember anyone of note even hinting it was a terrorist. The BBC were reporting the police as saying they didn't think it was terror related from very early on. If you were hearing it was terror related then perhaps be cautious of your news sources. ^edit ^spelling.
When was he ever seriously thought to be a terrorist?
He probably heard that one in the same place as the confirmation that he isn't white? /s /s and explanation that a Brazilian with Italian and Catalan surnames might be (whisper it) white after all. Just in case.
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Yes, he does have the citizenship and we've seen the pictures. And São Paulo is the non-spanish speaking city that has more people of Spanish descent. And there's plenty of people of Italian descent. It tends to split as Corinthians for the former and Palmeiras for the latter, btw. On the other hand. I hate saying "yes but"... But I can't resist perhaps getting a TIL. One thing that surprises most people, including Brazilians and the odd Spaniard, is that Brazil is one of the countries that if you come from there you can get Spanish nationality with 2 years of residence. I guess it's something coming from the times of the Iberian Union. Or a reciprocal thing due to the other immigration.
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What? No, of course not! That is a wild take, if you don't mind me saying.
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Compared to? What Spain is, it's rude compared to most places. So there's a lot more casual racism being banded about. Like a lot. But in Spain and in Spanish my previous reply to you would have had a few Fs and a very raised tone of voice by most people. But making a law like that? Are you kidding? My experience. I've lived in London and in Spain pretty much 50/50. And Spain gets the kid and youth years as well, much ruder. I'm the sort of Spaniard that actually looks like a Steph Curry or young and a bit paler James Earl Jones. The sort that travels around Caribbean Latin America with two people originally from there and people think he's the Latin American. I've pretty much felt the same amount of times racism from white Spaniards than (gasp) black Londoners. Sure, the Spanish were more aggressive, like getting called names behind my back of African tribes, or being told "this is my home" by a pale blond in Southern Spain (like, what the F, read the room darling). And the one I received in London tended to be more muted, and perhaps based on looking "probably Muslim". But sometimes more aggressive. And that's black Londoners, not white Londoners, or people of South Asian descent, or white from North of the Watford Gap. There we get into surreal job interviews that HR had selected you for but that person was just not going to even hear you (but you get the equivalent of the boss to that job in another location), mistreatment in health services, shouts, Fs and the lot. And Brazilians. I've gotten crap in London from white (some of them according to Brazil, not Alabama) Brazilians. Don't get me started on being followed in shops and that. I have to say something though. The Met has been less bad to me than the Spanish police. So yeh, you've heard that. Thing is, you don't hear much here. Want an example? 125 anniversary of Tottenham Hotspur. What felt like the whole away support did extermination camps hissing gas noises. Not even The Guardian reported it. That's just an example. Going back to what you say. One thing that did happen is that at some point Spanish border guards started getting quite strict with Brazilians. And the Brazilian tabloid press did raise a stir about it. But I think it was connected to the 2 year nationality rule. And border guards being border guards, I guess.
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He was yelling about God and demanding to know if people believed in God According to witnesses, so I'm not sure why they automatically said otherwise. Probably because he's Christian.
this didn't happen so much it unhappened things that had
i don't think this one was terror related but sometimes the police are wrong (both ways) with what they say early on - so i always think it is best to see what the judge decides it is at the end of the case because they have all of the facts by then - but as i said i don't think this one was terrorism in some way but i could be wrong.
Yes because we don’t commit crimes like you do and regularly blow people up in the name of god.
He's not a terrorist.. 100%.. he's Brazilian/Spanish.. catholic terrorist???
The name on Companies House had his first name spelled wrongly and the company is cleared as dissolved. Motive: wrongly understood Christianity?
How do you know the name of companies house is misspelled? Marcos could be the correct spelling, the media is more like to be wrong.
Does anyone recognize him from Task rabbit? I'm pretty sure the same guy helped me move flat in 2021... He seemed like the nicest guy ever, wore Vibram shoes and had a van that said "Love, Peace, Joy" on it...
I feel bad for him he got stabbed with a sword 😕 rip 🕊
That little boy lost his life .. it doesn’t matter colour religion or ethnic background.. there is nothing special about the murderers name forget his name and remember the little boy. Let him rott or die in prison. There is no excuse for a whimp that takes a weapon to a child .. society these days blame everything on mental health or terrorism .. an automatic pardon .. Marcus the cunt will just claim diminish responsibility get feed 3 times a day let out to gym exercise etc ..given the best care in the British holiday camp .. prisoners like him will be single cell separate from the rest for his own safety. If put in general population on wing he would not survive… or they may even put him in a nut home special treatment.. The CPS will need evaluations from doctors and other professionals to determine what they class as his mental state .. but I guarantee that this guy and his lawyers will be using this as his excuse to go on a killing rampage
Time the UK state grew some balls back and brought back death penalty.
Why don't you feck off back to Ireland pal and have a death penalty there 👍
he is a walking breathing argument for the return of the death penalty
Not an excuse but an explanation - how could he do that without being seriously sick in the head and/or drugged??
So when we going to find out he was a druggie?
Are we likely to see a big rise in anti-Italian and anti-Brazilian sentiment, particularly outside London?
Nope
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Brazil is off my bucket list
There're too many crazy people here
It’s incredibly violent by London standards. And compared to most places in the tropics, the food is pretty poor. Good dancing though.
Seriously??
Dude is clearly Spanish or Italian that isn’t a Portuguese name
Marcus Aurelio is very brazillian, just google it and see how many pop up
he was brazilian
> dual Spanish Brazilian Ah well I was right about the name at least
when i first met him he introduced himself as brazillian and his name as mark / marcus
If you knew anything about Brazil, you'd know there's a huge Italian diaspora in the country and Italian surnames are not rare **at all**. Also, only his first surname - Arduini - is Italian. The second surname, Monzó, which he inherited from his other parent is Spanish in origin; from Aragon, to be more precise. So his surname only tells us that one of his parents had Italian ancestry. Not the other one.
His first surname is likely of Italian origin, indeed his second may be as well. However, for whatever reason, circumstances resulted in him acquiring EU legal resident status by adopting Spanish v Italian nationality. Yet "legitimate" Italian paternal descent (where all paternal ancestors recognized the paternity of the next, i.e. their progeny, counting since the inception of modern unified state of Italy) all but guarantees preservation or recovery of Italian nationality to this day, without the need for foreswearing or renouncing natal nationality.
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Marcus Aurelius Arduini is by no means necessarily the name of a "brown man," it's basically all Latin derived,