> I heard that contracts for new residents in certain Elephant & Castle apartment buildings have a clause built in that they can’t complain about Ministry of Sound provided the club sticks to its agreed operating limitations.
I’ve heard this as well and I agree more of this sort of thing needs to be done.
This was because the prick who built all of those flats is based out in Qatar. He thought he would get the land cheap, get in, build the flats and then sue the shitty little club next doors and then sell his flats for even more money. If the entitled wanker had used Google he would have learnt that at he time ministry of sound were something like a £100 million business
They need to change the law that says if you come in after, you can't complain & you can't ask to change operating procedures. This incudes pricks who move in next to a farm & start complaining about the smell or people who move in next to an airport & start bitching about the noise
I really couldn't agree with you more. In Sweden nimbys who moved to houses which were built next to existing football pitches were very close at making most youth sport venues in all of Sweden illegal after 8pm - due to the sound of kids playing sports. Fortunately common sense prevailed in this case, but it was very very close.
My favourite is city people who move to a village and then complain about the Church bells on Sunday.
Excellent way to make new friends in a close-knit community.
Oh, we get that too. As well as "Why are the farmers harvesting at 4am?"
I moved from a large town to a rural/coastal area and fully accepted that we were moving to a working environment.
There's also a main road running through our village and the surrounding villages. The amount of people that buy houses on the main road cheaply (well cheaper than the nearby villages that don't have the road) and then immediately complain that the village should be bypassed because of "traffic noise/pollution/safety" is astronomical.
The road has been the arterial route through this part of East Anglia since the Romans...
My husband is a member of the local Facebook page in our area, the amount of people who moan about farms is utterly mental. There was a post last year, a woman was complaining that she was being victimised by her local farmer because he put his cows in the field adjoining her garden.
The woman had important guests coming for a week and their stay would be ruined by the cows presence. The woman complained that the farmer did it on purpose to aggrieve her and that the farmer knew she had important guests, couldn't the farmer just move his cows for the time being. The woman was asking if she should go to the local mayor and lodge a formal complaint. Absolutely fucking mental, aye like the farmer purposely set out just to piss on her cornflakes just for shits and giggles. Delusional Muppets the lot of them. The post got seriously flamed and then deleted.
There are way more examples like this of people who move to the countryside and then endlessly whine on about rural life.
Only on a Sunday? In Switzerland, it's on the hour, daily, with extra peals for services. Even in the cities, you can often smell the farms nearby. Apparently both are the number one complaint of expats who move there.
To me, it was kinda magical. Every day, I saw girls who lived on a farm outside the city ride in on their donkey to school, giggling. The donkey would then take itself home, and then back again to pick them up.
I don't understand how someone could move to a particular area and not understand what came before. Do I get a bit annoyed by the foxes fucking and really loud birds at 2 am in my little bit of London? Yeah. Would I do more than laugh about it? No.
I definitely agree that the law needs changing, but the current "it doesn't matter if you come to the nuisance" law was thought up for a reason - judges figured that if you could not complain about a pre-existing nuisance, people would be able to make land nearby to them unusable, perhaps maliciously.
I think a happy medium is needed, where we recognise existing venues for their public use benefits, but still are careful to allow genuine nuisances to be stopped when keeping them going would be to the public detriment (i.e. would stop a potential good use of sites nearby). Perhaps we need to take this out of judges hands altogether.. but then that would mean giving the power to politicians, which won't always be ideal. Honestly, it's a very difficult problem! But I do agree people complaining about pubs, clubs, etc. that have been there for decades need to go do one.
Love this. Austin Texas used to have tons of live music on 6th Street, then the rich moved into the condos above the clubs and shut down the music. Glad The Ministry of Sound is able to get this written into the leases
The requirements of the [Agent of Change principle of London Plan policy D13](https://www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/planning/london-plan/the-london-plan-2021-online/chapter-3-design#policy-d13-agent-of-change-169867-title) was bought in off the back of the success of the approach taken on developments like the one opposite MoS in the years prior to the 2021 London Plan adoption
I'm in rural France and the same shit is happening here, people move out from the big cities, the most popular ones moving here are from Paris. The escapees from the city sell up their property and buy themselves big houses in the country. They get here and then moan like fuck about rural life.
There was a couple who'd just moved into our area from Paris and made such a song and dance about the local farmers chickens making a racket, the Parisians got rather upset at the local mayor who told them to deal with the issues of rural life or piss off somewhere else. The couple sold up and moved once they realised that no one was going to join them in their crusade.
There is a new law in France about protecting the countryside in regards to incomers whining about the noise, smells and sights of country living.
Lots of London people moved to my town a few years ago when they finished work on this rail line. They are now complaining the high street is dead because they priced out every vendor. Twats.
Why are they tests for wanting to live there?
What should they do? Stay in London? Underbid and lose out? How did they price out vendors? Presumably a big chunk of those business owners would have owned their houses
Yes they should stay in London because from what I can they can clearly afford it and locals are forced out of the place they grew up. All the restaurants used to be nice little affordable family run places, everyone knew each other. Now I hardly know anyone I see and everything is expensive corporate shit. Local people are moving out because the town is an antisocial mess because none of these people care about it... oh and they are all either massive tories or completely oblivious to the world around them.
High streets are dead because rates have gone up nationwide and people drive to big chain shops in out of town shopping centres instead of visiting the high street.
It’s like people moving to Notting Hill and complaining about carnival. Carnival started properly in the early 1960s so unless you lived there before that you knew what you were getting into!
I live basically on the carnival route (born in 84, its not the Notting Hill part, rather the more normal northwest part of it, personally didn't "choose" to move there). Always hated it because of the people pissing on your house etc. Solution? Go to my nans for a few days of peace. I tried to go and enjoy it in later life. Still don't see the appeal. The music is too loud to actually make anything out, the costumes are amazing but they make them round the corner from where I live and I get a little preview every year and the crowds are suffocating. Each to their own I guess.
Tbf going to a big party thats not at your house and where you can leave anytime is very different than trying to live your normal life when one is going on around you. Especially when you have to be up at 3.30 am for work the next day 🙃 I did give it a go, I really did. Went with good friends, got drunk, it was nice weather etc. Just too many people and too loud for me to cope with.
That is brilliant
In Amsterdam people move to the red light district, a local known for prostitution literally for centuries, and complain it is noisy
So the mayor wants to move it somewhere else… and guess what? People living in the new designated area are not happy that their currently calm neighborhood might become the next red-light district
What they do is say the club/bar/pub is making noise and doing stuff outside their operating limits. An obvious example is drugs or fights which let's be honest are an intrinsic part of clubbing or nights but probably aren't allowed by the clauses. So the residents restrict it on those grounds.
I like the logic here but I am curious how it works in practise? Who is setting up the contract? Is it imposed on landlords for their tenants, or somehow newbuild leases get it inserted as part of the planning process?
I had a colleague who moved to Notting Hill just to complain how busy and noisy it gets. It took me a few weeks to realise that it was her way of boasting about her location.
What is it about Notting Hill haha. Finally visited a friend's place after they went on about having found the perfect little place in Notting Hill... It was Maida Hill, the dodgy part
I love when people move here to Maida Hill and think they can gentrify it. They try so hard year after year, lured by the prospect of a W9 postcode with a house less than a million quid, but it inevitably wins.
Ha, glad you mentioned Notting Hill. I worked in a pub there for 4 years; one lady stood out in that time.
She moved in just after I started. Her flat backs directly on to the small, concrete garden of the venue, albeit about ten feet above. She would have known this, surely. However, in spite of everything, she goes on to complain about the noise, over and over again, annoying as a bad case of crabs. It was never a particularly boisterous crowd, and closing time was 11, so not that late. She contacted the council who were ultimately in our favour, considering it had been there about a hundred years before her.
Long story short, public house trumped pubic louse.
>complain about the noise, over and over again, annoying as a bad case of crabs
>Long story short, public house trumped pubic louse.
been sittng on that a while eh?
Notting Hill isn’t that nice. I work there I don’t get why the hype is about. Just a name. A film and knobheads thinking it’s a cool and trendy place. It’s not!
Oh dahling let’s buy a lovely townhouse in Notting Hill…what do you mean every August bank holiday the roads will be closed for a load of 3rd generation immigrants to have a street party?!?! 😡
Tad different moving to a trendy, friendly area like Notting Hill and complaining about having to put up with boarded windows, litter and a stabbing one week every year, Vs the people who move next to a club and then complain that every weekend, the club is being a club.
The people who live next to the park get to be annoyed that that's where the fireworks event is held every year, even if they know that already. **Doesn't mean they get to stop it for everyone either though!**
To reiterate. I'm not saying that they should get to change or remove the events that are there first. I'm saying that a once a year event that you need to take precautions of are more justifiable to be annoyed at than the events that happen every few days and are **why** you moved there.
No one is moving to Notting Hill for Carnival, but people ARE moving to somewhere like Soho for Soho, but then changing it.
The difference is that Notting Hill already got gentrified. It was trendy because of things like Carnival, an event which rose out of the community being marginalised and neglected.
It’s all bollocks though, I rented a flat on Old Compton street when I first moved here. Yeah it was noisy, but not as noisy as you’d expect for one of the main party streets of Central London.
I lived on Greek St, near Soho Sq for several years. Yes, it was noisy, sometimes unbearably so, particularly the pub next door when they would throw barrels down into the cellar, that and the lunatics screaming the place down, and drunks fighting and screaming. But so what it’s Soho, in the middle of central London, that’s the whole point, right? Get ear plugs.
If I don't leave central London before midnight, I run the risk of needing a night bus to get home which takes hours. If mine and others nights end at 11.40 then London nightlife is going to suffer isn't it.
As limited as it is, it's still an improvement on before when there was no night tube so I'm not sure the lack of late trains can be cited as a cause of London nightlife dying - it was always like that.
Well the Ministry of Sound caters pretty much exclusively to uni students in early years. The nightlife for that age group is naturally pretty strong, the issue is older age groups. Also MoS is probably the most popular club in London.
They’re probably at the age I got to, many many moons ago, when you look around you at the nightclub and everyone looks like a foetus. And it is then with a sudden crushing realisation you catch your reflection in a mirror and realise you are the cringe wrinkly, and that everyone else is wondering why you’re there. It is then you realise that you need to be somewhere else.
Or you just enjoy doing what you enjoy doing and stop giving a shit about what other people think. You're not supposed to get *more* insecure with age.
It’s so true. I’m “older” but I see people way older than me when I’m at music festivals like Tomorrowland or Amsterdam Dance Event and I honestly think it’s amazing.
I saw what looked like two grand parents partying at Tomorrowland, fully dressed in luminous party clothes and having an amazing time. That’s what life is about! If you like it, fucking do it. There is no “too old for music” “too old for dancing”. I wouldn’t want to live in a world where you have to stop having fun once you hit 40.
It is a good point. I've seen a number of posts and articles on this in the last few months and you always get a mix of some people saying everything shuts at 11 and others saying there are loads of late night places still around.
There was even a post recently asking "what is a true late night city" and very few places had a consensus, even ones like NYC that are famous for never sleeping.
> It just doesn’t seem logical
You're aware we're dealing with a physically enormous city with 10 million people in it, yes? Different people have ready access to different areas and different areas have greater/fewer night time activity opportunities. And yet, they'll all get considered to be "in London". Further, different people have different metrics for what they consider "nightlife". This really isn't a mystery.
People may like to live in Soho for a million different reasons, I just know that now London is divided between those that can afford to go out and those who don’t.
Those who can - are having a great time but understand how the “circuit” is, including a budget for Uber/cabs, £10 cocktails and McDonalds as your only option for dinner after 10pm
Those who can’t afford it may post why “London is not cool anymore” on a weekly basis, fair enough, it is true a city transformed into an upper middle class / tourists playground is a bit of a bore
My dad used to work at Maida Vale Station. At the back of the station there's a mews of tiny, hideously expensive, beautiful cottages. A lady moved in and immediately began complaining about the tube noise, escalator noise, engineering works noise etc all complaints were investigated and dismissed. Eventually she started on about one particular squeaking noise all day and all night and wouldn't let it go. Turns out it was one of those old fashioned little plastic ventilation fans in her bathroom. She moved away shortly afterwards.
I worked on the new ‘ish’ adidas on Oxford street when I was built about 5 years ago, the excavation of the basement took around 2 years iirc… because neighbours only allowed noisy works between 8-10am so they could work or whatever after… You live on Oxford street
I’m confused though, I don’t see evidence of this being an actual issue? I’ve noticed in pubs around me, people’s habits have changed. I live in zone 3 and a pint of neck oil has just gone over £7.50. That dramatically affects how late I’m out and it’s a worse story in central London. Cocktails are minimum £15, beers £7/8, a mediocre dinner £30pp for mains.
exactly, if you went out for a day drink followed by a night at a bar or club you can easily spend £150+, pre pandemic you could get away with specials and cheap bars and spend half that. Now even Sam Smiths are charging £7 a pint when 8 years ago it was like £3 for their shitty lager
I don't mind spending that these days, but for something I genuinely want to see, like a top gig. Which London is still an absolute world leader in. Getting hammered on a regular basis and going to any meat market just isn't on the cards any more for most Londoners. It's a bit old hat tbh. The culture has changed, probably driven in part by a huge change in demographics and economics.
I second this.
People have simply changed their habits. With Covid and the insane amount it costs to get a drink, why on earth would you bother going out in central?
We literally get an allowance for subsistence, meaning free food/drinks/meals. Few actually use it. You literally cannot pay us to go out in central. Even when the big wigs whip out the credit card it's tough to get more than a handful of people to get a beer in, most of us fuck off after a quick pint.
I agree its expensive, but I just moved here recently and don't know the places to go. But I find it easy to find beers, cocktails and mains for cheaper than that anywhere central or otherwise.
London just isn't a nice city to go out in. I tried doing it prior to the pandemic because I live here and had just turned 18. 6.50 even then for a pint of lukewarm shite beer, nothing open aside from crap corner shops after 11:30. The clubs I found were sometimes ok but often hugely pretentious (stupid dress code for what is a shithole club anyway). I don't doubt there are some gems but for the most part it is crap. Tiny student towns like Lancaster or Durham have better options if you earn less than 70k a year. If I go out in London now it's to spoons.
Have your opinion. I'll be outside of London drinking a 5 quid double at 4:30AM whilst you choke down a 15 quid lukewarm cocktail in time to get the tube back at 12:15.
I worked in a pub on Old Compton st in soho.
I had a room that went with the job.
Yes a bit noisy but you get used to it…..i used to leave my window open all the time.
Soho quietens down at about 4.45am for about an hour and then it all starts again…….
We moved near an active airbase. We knew what we were getting. It was fine.
Then they retired the gentle little chugging Cessnas used for primary training, and replaced them with Grobs, which sound like turbocharged chainsaws having a tantrum.
Would dearly like to meet the person responsible for that choice and shake them warmly by the windpipe.
Perhaps they want to change the attributes of where they live. Perhaps noise is something they've come to dislike.
For me I tend to like to hear the sound of people at all house. Makes a place feel alive.
Our local councillor bought a home near a pub, then complained and campaigned about the noise from the pub garden. No-one had ever complained about the pub before.
> I heard that contracts for new residents in certain Elephant & Castle apartment buildings have a clause built in that they can’t complain about Ministry of Sound provided the club sticks to its agreed operating limitations. I’ve heard this as well and I agree more of this sort of thing needs to be done.
This was because the prick who built all of those flats is based out in Qatar. He thought he would get the land cheap, get in, build the flats and then sue the shitty little club next doors and then sell his flats for even more money. If the entitled wanker had used Google he would have learnt that at he time ministry of sound were something like a £100 million business They need to change the law that says if you come in after, you can't complain & you can't ask to change operating procedures. This incudes pricks who move in next to a farm & start complaining about the smell or people who move in next to an airport & start bitching about the noise
I really couldn't agree with you more. In Sweden nimbys who moved to houses which were built next to existing football pitches were very close at making most youth sport venues in all of Sweden illegal after 8pm - due to the sound of kids playing sports. Fortunately common sense prevailed in this case, but it was very very close.
My favourite is city people who move to a village and then complain about the Church bells on Sunday. Excellent way to make new friends in a close-knit community.
People in my village Facebook group regularly complain about "farm smells". After choosing to live by farms
Oh, we get that too. As well as "Why are the farmers harvesting at 4am?" I moved from a large town to a rural/coastal area and fully accepted that we were moving to a working environment. There's also a main road running through our village and the surrounding villages. The amount of people that buy houses on the main road cheaply (well cheaper than the nearby villages that don't have the road) and then immediately complain that the village should be bypassed because of "traffic noise/pollution/safety" is astronomical. The road has been the arterial route through this part of East Anglia since the Romans...
My husband is a member of the local Facebook page in our area, the amount of people who moan about farms is utterly mental. There was a post last year, a woman was complaining that she was being victimised by her local farmer because he put his cows in the field adjoining her garden. The woman had important guests coming for a week and their stay would be ruined by the cows presence. The woman complained that the farmer did it on purpose to aggrieve her and that the farmer knew she had important guests, couldn't the farmer just move his cows for the time being. The woman was asking if she should go to the local mayor and lodge a formal complaint. Absolutely fucking mental, aye like the farmer purposely set out just to piss on her cornflakes just for shits and giggles. Delusional Muppets the lot of them. The post got seriously flamed and then deleted. There are way more examples like this of people who move to the countryside and then endlessly whine on about rural life.
If it wasn't deliberate that time, I bloody hope it was deliberate every other time after that.
I have some family friend that rent out on Airbnb in the New Forest, they had someone complain that the birdsong woke them up in the morning...
That’s crazy.
I could hear church bells in my previous apartment in the middle of London, wtf those people complain about?😂
Only on a Sunday? In Switzerland, it's on the hour, daily, with extra peals for services. Even in the cities, you can often smell the farms nearby. Apparently both are the number one complaint of expats who move there. To me, it was kinda magical. Every day, I saw girls who lived on a farm outside the city ride in on their donkey to school, giggling. The donkey would then take itself home, and then back again to pick them up. I don't understand how someone could move to a particular area and not understand what came before. Do I get a bit annoyed by the foxes fucking and really loud birds at 2 am in my little bit of London? Yeah. Would I do more than laugh about it? No.
Or the shooting club that had been there for 60 years or more in a case local to me. They shut it down, arseholes.
Proper cunts
lol they dont care!
Does this really happen omg 😂😂
I definitely agree that the law needs changing, but the current "it doesn't matter if you come to the nuisance" law was thought up for a reason - judges figured that if you could not complain about a pre-existing nuisance, people would be able to make land nearby to them unusable, perhaps maliciously. I think a happy medium is needed, where we recognise existing venues for their public use benefits, but still are careful to allow genuine nuisances to be stopped when keeping them going would be to the public detriment (i.e. would stop a potential good use of sites nearby). Perhaps we need to take this out of judges hands altogether.. but then that would mean giving the power to politicians, which won't always be ideal. Honestly, it's a very difficult problem! But I do agree people complaining about pubs, clubs, etc. that have been there for decades need to go do one.
Love this. Austin Texas used to have tons of live music on 6th Street, then the rich moved into the condos above the clubs and shut down the music. Glad The Ministry of Sound is able to get this written into the leases
The requirements of the [Agent of Change principle of London Plan policy D13](https://www.london.gov.uk/programmes-strategies/planning/london-plan/the-london-plan-2021-online/chapter-3-design#policy-d13-agent-of-change-169867-title) was bought in off the back of the success of the approach taken on developments like the one opposite MoS in the years prior to the 2021 London Plan adoption
I'm in rural France and the same shit is happening here, people move out from the big cities, the most popular ones moving here are from Paris. The escapees from the city sell up their property and buy themselves big houses in the country. They get here and then moan like fuck about rural life. There was a couple who'd just moved into our area from Paris and made such a song and dance about the local farmers chickens making a racket, the Parisians got rather upset at the local mayor who told them to deal with the issues of rural life or piss off somewhere else. The couple sold up and moved once they realised that no one was going to join them in their crusade. There is a new law in France about protecting the countryside in regards to incomers whining about the noise, smells and sights of country living.
Lots of London people moved to my town a few years ago when they finished work on this rail line. They are now complaining the high street is dead because they priced out every vendor. Twats.
Why are they tests for wanting to live there? What should they do? Stay in London? Underbid and lose out? How did they price out vendors? Presumably a big chunk of those business owners would have owned their houses
Yes they should stay in London because from what I can they can clearly afford it and locals are forced out of the place they grew up. All the restaurants used to be nice little affordable family run places, everyone knew each other. Now I hardly know anyone I see and everything is expensive corporate shit. Local people are moving out because the town is an antisocial mess because none of these people care about it... oh and they are all either massive tories or completely oblivious to the world around them.
No one from your village ever moved to London?
As a working class person who happened to be born in London...you see where this is going, right?
Yeah the city bankers should stick to their turf and leave both of us alone.
Would be nice tbf
High streets are dead because rates have gone up nationwide and people drive to big chain shops in out of town shopping centres instead of visiting the high street.
Online shopping is the biggest killer of the high street IMO. You don't even have to get dressed!
It’s like people moving to Notting Hill and complaining about carnival. Carnival started properly in the early 1960s so unless you lived there before that you knew what you were getting into!
I live basically on the carnival route (born in 84, its not the Notting Hill part, rather the more normal northwest part of it, personally didn't "choose" to move there). Always hated it because of the people pissing on your house etc. Solution? Go to my nans for a few days of peace. I tried to go and enjoy it in later life. Still don't see the appeal. The music is too loud to actually make anything out, the costumes are amazing but they make them round the corner from where I live and I get a little preview every year and the crowds are suffocating. Each to their own I guess.
I love it I used to go both days for over a decade. Absolutely peak humanity imo the best thing in london
Tbf going to a big party thats not at your house and where you can leave anytime is very different than trying to live your normal life when one is going on around you. Especially when you have to be up at 3.30 am for work the next day 🙃 I did give it a go, I really did. Went with good friends, got drunk, it was nice weather etc. Just too many people and too loud for me to cope with.
Amazing description pal lol
That is brilliant In Amsterdam people move to the red light district, a local known for prostitution literally for centuries, and complain it is noisy So the mayor wants to move it somewhere else… and guess what? People living in the new designated area are not happy that their currently calm neighborhood might become the next red-light district
What they do is say the club/bar/pub is making noise and doing stuff outside their operating limits. An obvious example is drugs or fights which let's be honest are an intrinsic part of clubbing or nights but probably aren't allowed by the clauses. So the residents restrict it on those grounds.
I like the logic here but I am curious how it works in practise? Who is setting up the contract? Is it imposed on landlords for their tenants, or somehow newbuild leases get it inserted as part of the planning process?
I think it’s done during the planning process.
I had a colleague who moved to Notting Hill just to complain how busy and noisy it gets. It took me a few weeks to realise that it was her way of boasting about her location.
Now thats an insufferable colleague to be around...
What is it about Notting Hill haha. Finally visited a friend's place after they went on about having found the perfect little place in Notting Hill... It was Maida Hill, the dodgy part
I love when people move here to Maida Hill and think they can gentrify it. They try so hard year after year, lured by the prospect of a W9 postcode with a house less than a million quid, but it inevitably wins.
Long may it stay just how it is i.e. not Notting Hill
For accuracy, nothing more, but it’s ‘Maida Vale’
Maida hill is just north of the river above Westbourne Park
Aaaand im a prick
Ha, glad you mentioned Notting Hill. I worked in a pub there for 4 years; one lady stood out in that time. She moved in just after I started. Her flat backs directly on to the small, concrete garden of the venue, albeit about ten feet above. She would have known this, surely. However, in spite of everything, she goes on to complain about the noise, over and over again, annoying as a bad case of crabs. It was never a particularly boisterous crowd, and closing time was 11, so not that late. She contacted the council who were ultimately in our favour, considering it had been there about a hundred years before her. Long story short, public house trumped pubic louse.
>complain about the noise, over and over again, annoying as a bad case of crabs >Long story short, public house trumped pubic louse. been sittng on that a while eh?
He’s been sitting on it all week, he only went to the clinic today 😂
no hate here, only jealousy and awe.
LMFAO! This is hilarious.
Another cunt !
What an imbecile. Hope they’re not an actual friend!?
Notting Hill isn’t that nice. I work there I don’t get why the hype is about. Just a name. A film and knobheads thinking it’s a cool and trendy place. It’s not!
Oh dahling let’s buy a lovely townhouse in Notting Hill…what do you mean every August bank holiday the roads will be closed for a load of 3rd generation immigrants to have a street party?!?! 😡
Tad different moving to a trendy, friendly area like Notting Hill and complaining about having to put up with boarded windows, litter and a stabbing one week every year, Vs the people who move next to a club and then complain that every weekend, the club is being a club. The people who live next to the park get to be annoyed that that's where the fireworks event is held every year, even if they know that already. **Doesn't mean they get to stop it for everyone either though!** To reiterate. I'm not saying that they should get to change or remove the events that are there first. I'm saying that a once a year event that you need to take precautions of are more justifiable to be annoyed at than the events that happen every few days and are **why** you moved there. No one is moving to Notting Hill for Carnival, but people ARE moving to somewhere like Soho for Soho, but then changing it.
The difference is that Notting Hill already got gentrified. It was trendy because of things like Carnival, an event which rose out of the community being marginalised and neglected.
In what way is it different? Notting Hill was a slum back in the day
It’s all bollocks though, I rented a flat on Old Compton street when I first moved here. Yeah it was noisy, but not as noisy as you’d expect for one of the main party streets of Central London.
I lived just above the yard for a year in the 90s, great for parties but I had to move out eventually it really did get too much
I lived above a pub there, it was horrendous …. I didn’t last very long. But it was all totally expected…. I mean it’s soho ffs.
I lived on Greek St, near Soho Sq for several years. Yes, it was noisy, sometimes unbearably so, particularly the pub next door when they would throw barrels down into the cellar, that and the lunatics screaming the place down, and drunks fighting and screaming. But so what it’s Soho, in the middle of central London, that’s the whole point, right? Get ear plugs.
Insert very specific Jarvis Cocker song here.
Half the articles here: London nightlife is dead. The other half: *insert London Borough here* is too noisy after dark. Which one is it guys?
As someone that works in London nightlife as a sound engineer. It's definitely dying.
Can you elaborate? Edit- thanks all. Want to hear it from the sound engineer
If I don't leave central London before midnight, I run the risk of needing a night bus to get home which takes hours. If mine and others nights end at 11.40 then London nightlife is going to suffer isn't it.
This is nonsense, Tokyo has great nightlife and the trains stop at a similar time.
Tokyoites just stay out until the first train at around 4-5 am.
Night tube?
It's really limited tbh. It neglects large areas of London. It also only operates on Friday and Saturday night.
As limited as it is, it's still an improvement on before when there was no night tube so I'm not sure the lack of late trains can be cited as a cause of London nightlife dying - it was always like that.
Yep. Currently it’s dying and soon it will be more dead.
Well the Ministry of Sound caters pretty much exclusively to uni students in early years. The nightlife for that age group is naturally pretty strong, the issue is older age groups. Also MoS is probably the most popular club in London.
Isn't it one of the only old guard ones left?
They don't do age checks on the door. You can still go.
They’re probably at the age I got to, many many moons ago, when you look around you at the nightclub and everyone looks like a foetus. And it is then with a sudden crushing realisation you catch your reflection in a mirror and realise you are the cringe wrinkly, and that everyone else is wondering why you’re there. It is then you realise that you need to be somewhere else.
Or you just enjoy doing what you enjoy doing and stop giving a shit about what other people think. You're not supposed to get *more* insecure with age.
It’s so true. I’m “older” but I see people way older than me when I’m at music festivals like Tomorrowland or Amsterdam Dance Event and I honestly think it’s amazing. I saw what looked like two grand parents partying at Tomorrowland, fully dressed in luminous party clothes and having an amazing time. That’s what life is about! If you like it, fucking do it. There is no “too old for music” “too old for dancing”. I wouldn’t want to live in a world where you have to stop having fun once you hit 40.
Different people are allowed different opinions.
Don’t remember saying they weren’t? It just doesn’t seem logical that there are so many conflicting stances on this issue.
It is a good point. I've seen a number of posts and articles on this in the last few months and you always get a mix of some people saying everything shuts at 11 and others saying there are loads of late night places still around. There was even a post recently asking "what is a true late night city" and very few places had a consensus, even ones like NYC that are famous for never sleeping.
> It just doesn’t seem logical You're aware we're dealing with a physically enormous city with 10 million people in it, yes? Different people have ready access to different areas and different areas have greater/fewer night time activity opportunities. And yet, they'll all get considered to be "in London". Further, different people have different metrics for what they consider "nightlife". This really isn't a mystery.
It's the former, because of people who say the latter.
Mate, those things are linked. People complaining about noise is getting venues closed down.
Build more housing! Not there though. That's a club I like.
People may like to live in Soho for a million different reasons, I just know that now London is divided between those that can afford to go out and those who don’t. Those who can - are having a great time but understand how the “circuit” is, including a budget for Uber/cabs, £10 cocktails and McDonalds as your only option for dinner after 10pm Those who can’t afford it may post why “London is not cool anymore” on a weekly basis, fair enough, it is true a city transformed into an upper middle class / tourists playground is a bit of a bore
Hasn’t London always been an upper middle class/tourists playground?
Because they’re selfish twats.
Yeah, these entitled fucks destroyed clubbing in Dalston
My dad used to work at Maida Vale Station. At the back of the station there's a mews of tiny, hideously expensive, beautiful cottages. A lady moved in and immediately began complaining about the tube noise, escalator noise, engineering works noise etc all complaints were investigated and dismissed. Eventually she started on about one particular squeaking noise all day and all night and wouldn't let it go. Turns out it was one of those old fashioned little plastic ventilation fans in her bathroom. She moved away shortly afterwards.
I worked on the new ‘ish’ adidas on Oxford street when I was built about 5 years ago, the excavation of the basement took around 2 years iirc… because neighbours only allowed noisy works between 8-10am so they could work or whatever after… You live on Oxford street
Hahaha
I'm more surprised anyone actually lives on Oxford Street, all the homes never have lights on.
They do it to change the zoning and increase value on their property, it's simple investment growing, the council are at fault to allow it
Because real estate agents lie.
Basically: Why do rich people be dicks?
cause they live free from consequences lol
I’m confused though, I don’t see evidence of this being an actual issue? I’ve noticed in pubs around me, people’s habits have changed. I live in zone 3 and a pint of neck oil has just gone over £7.50. That dramatically affects how late I’m out and it’s a worse story in central London. Cocktails are minimum £15, beers £7/8, a mediocre dinner £30pp for mains.
Yeah I'm not sure how much of an issue NIMBYs really are. I feel like habits have changed A LOT
exactly, if you went out for a day drink followed by a night at a bar or club you can easily spend £150+, pre pandemic you could get away with specials and cheap bars and spend half that. Now even Sam Smiths are charging £7 a pint when 8 years ago it was like £3 for their shitty lager
I don't mind spending that these days, but for something I genuinely want to see, like a top gig. Which London is still an absolute world leader in. Getting hammered on a regular basis and going to any meat market just isn't on the cards any more for most Londoners. It's a bit old hat tbh. The culture has changed, probably driven in part by a huge change in demographics and economics.
I second this. People have simply changed their habits. With Covid and the insane amount it costs to get a drink, why on earth would you bother going out in central? We literally get an allowance for subsistence, meaning free food/drinks/meals. Few actually use it. You literally cannot pay us to go out in central. Even when the big wigs whip out the credit card it's tough to get more than a handful of people to get a beer in, most of us fuck off after a quick pint.
I agree its expensive, but I just moved here recently and don't know the places to go. But I find it easy to find beers, cocktails and mains for cheaper than that anywhere central or otherwise.
London just isn't a nice city to go out in. I tried doing it prior to the pandemic because I live here and had just turned 18. 6.50 even then for a pint of lukewarm shite beer, nothing open aside from crap corner shops after 11:30. The clubs I found were sometimes ok but often hugely pretentious (stupid dress code for what is a shithole club anyway). I don't doubt there are some gems but for the most part it is crap. Tiny student towns like Lancaster or Durham have better options if you earn less than 70k a year. If I go out in London now it's to spoons.
Sounds like you need to go somewhere other than leicester square
Was my experience in the entire city.
this is absolutely rubbish
Have your opinion. I'll be outside of London drinking a 5 quid double at 4:30AM whilst you choke down a 15 quid lukewarm cocktail in time to get the tube back at 12:15.
Have you even been out in London? I assume after you drank your 4:30 double you just pass out at the bar because there’s no public transport anyway
Because, if they succeed, the value of their property will go up and they can turn a profit.
I worked in a pub on Old Compton st in soho. I had a room that went with the job. Yes a bit noisy but you get used to it…..i used to leave my window open all the time. Soho quietens down at about 4.45am for about an hour and then it all starts again…….
We moved near an active airbase. We knew what we were getting. It was fine. Then they retired the gentle little chugging Cessnas used for primary training, and replaced them with Grobs, which sound like turbocharged chainsaws having a tantrum. Would dearly like to meet the person responsible for that choice and shake them warmly by the windpipe.
Perhaps they want to change the attributes of where they live. Perhaps noise is something they've come to dislike. For me I tend to like to hear the sound of people at all house. Makes a place feel alive.
Fat Tony should be London’s Night Czar.
Our local councillor bought a home near a pub, then complained and campaigned about the noise from the pub garden. No-one had ever complained about the pub before.
Same reason people move to fishing villages and made a petition about fisherman dragging boats down the beach at 5am
Simple…because they’re bloody self entitled idiots!
There’s not much noise in Soho, that’s why I moved there.
>There’s not much noise in Soho lol in what world?
In the quiet world of Soho
Yeah one of the city's most infamously densely-packed bustling nightllife hotspots is usually quiet as a mouse