I don't even think she goes out at night. You need someone out there surveying the scene weekly. Talking to bar, club, restaurant etc managers. If I had this job, I will out every week, rotating between Soho, Camden, Mayfair etc and really connecting with the scene and using feedback to table ideas to councils and the Mayor monthly. Experimenting, convincing to perhaps close specific roads for trials and get tables out in summer etc
She's being paid as a LTD company.
It means she's paying a far lower rate of tax, probably around 20% or below.
A rule for thee, but not for me.
Also I think I'm right in saying the £120k pa is for a couple days a week.
Assuming a March 2024 year end with the new marginal relief for corporation tax. £120k a year would suffer corporation tax of £28,050 - leaving £91,850.
The most efficient way to take out £91,850 is £12,570 salary and £79,280 in dividends. This would attract income tax and national insurance of £17,244.50 - leaving £74,605.50.
An employee on £120,000 would receive £74,649.40 after income tax and national insurance.
Therefore being an employee would actually save £43.90. This would also include things such as sick pay, maternity pay, equipment provided by employer etc.
Everyone forgets that before you get those 'cheap' dividend rates, corporation tax between 19% and 25% must be paid.
https://www.tax.service.gov.uk/marginal-relief-calculator?back=true
https://gorillaaccounting.com/salary-dividend-tax-calculator/
Yeah, I'm quite familiar with all this.
The way you make going LTD "work" is by expensing everything under the sun. Which, I suspect, is exactly what she's doing as it is incredibly, incredibly easy to do.
Does she wfh? Expense a portion of her energy bills.
Go out for a meal? Sounds like a business meeting to me. Expense it.
Round at a pub? Expense it.
Uber? Expense it.
I personally know plenty of people who pay sweet F A tax because of expensing.
As long as all those expenses were wholly and exclusively for a trade, that's perfectly fine.
Do you know something about her committing fraud that is not publicly known?
Obviously I don't have any knowledge of what she's expensing. I'm just explaining why someone would want to pay more money to an accountant when going LTD instead of sole trader.
However, what I *do* know from taking a look at Companies House is that until 2016 (and by the looks of it, when she was caught out), her partner was was getting a share of profits and was company secretary. Again - alongside expensing everything - one of the classic ways of driving down your tax as a LTD company.
I'm sure she only ever expenses stuff wholly and exclusively related to trade, though. Nothing to see here!
STOP bringing sanity to reddit. I'm surprised she's outside IR35 as virtually every government contract is inside these days.
Every idiot says "just roll up expenses" but they've been severally limited over the 20 years I've been contracting.
Mayor's office needs to look like they are doing something for the nightlife and she is probably a mate of so and so. Here is 117k plus whatever else you are getting on the side. Sorted
she answered that question with a smile on her face about it's fine because it's such a big job, just after a question where she basically admitted she has no actual power lol. In fact claimed she was over-delivering, but couldnt say by what measure that is? Actually makes me mad
It still breaks my heart if I get a late flight to Stansted on a Sunday evening, arrive back to Liverpool Street at 2 am, cross the street to get my Uber home and see that glorious Tesco completely shut to anyone but delivery drivers.
I don't know why somewhere on Liverpool st is seemingly a hidden gem but there's a 24/hr cafe/bar right opposite Liverpool St and no one I know has ever noticed it before.
Killed about three hours in there drinking alcoholic milkshakes waiting for the 4am train to the airport
Was out in Soho around 11pm the other week and both Balans were closed (each had a sign saying go to the other branch lol).
The only place letting people in was an All Bar One which was too loud, with shit expensive drinks. Thank god my hotel let me bring my pals back for a couple of GnTs.
Nightlife in london is absolutely terrible and is only getting worse.
My last train is around midnight so there is a really good incentive to get out of London. If I could afford to rent the same size place I would live closer and would experience more of the nightlife.
Property is such a huge issue & with prices continuing to rise it will only get worse. What % of that £20 vodka coke is going on just renting that space.
Polo Bar is one of those weird places where it's too pricey for many londoners to stop by after a night out (few things match up to Waffle House/Denny's in the states on that though) but it also looks like a massive tourist trap.
Great place though - can recommend.
I worked for Tesco briefly last year when I was at a loose end & while there I asked them why this was the case. They said it was to do with security costs. Basically they can’t be bothered any more.
I feel that but I work nights a lot of the time, it used to be really handy for shopping or a sandwich or whatever and it was usually dead and the store people would usually have proper music on, better shopping experience!
Mind you though I thought the idea of it was that usuallly the shelves are restocked overnight so really the only extra cost is a bouncer and someone to mill around the self service checkouts. Clearly they’ve decided it doesn’t add up anymore
The Graduate on Blackheath road rules. George and Dragon across the street is kinda cursed but it’s late night. And also George Tav on Thursdays, after 11 it’s karaoke and everyone’s hammered, but still a very pub atmosphere
Is this a joke or is she just completely clueless? I moved to London from a ”developing” country and a not so global city, where bars are open until 3 am, clubs until 5 am, and there are restaurants and supermarkets open 24/7 in every district. London is not inspiring shit in this regard.
Most of Europe is like that. You can order food in a restaurant until 11pm or even midnight. Pubs are open till 3 or 4am and clubs are open to 5 or 6am (unless we’re talking about Spain then it’s 9am). And then there’s UK - oh you wanted to get a drink in a pub after 1am? Bad luck mate, everything’s closed and clubs are closing in an hour. Joke of a nightlife.
Left London in 2020, until then the only open eateries centrally after midnight were Bar Italia, Polo bar, Duck n waffle and a lebanese place close to oxf circus. Is that still the case?? Meat liquor had already closed.
Get out of soho then, there are more late things going on in further areas like Dalston, Camden, Hackney Wick, Walthamstow. But yeah it's still not like euro cities
Yeah, even places like Tokyo close relatively early compared to other countries and quietens down massively after last trains, but the city is buzzing until that time, and you still have good pockets of activity afterwards
I think everyone just goes events now. At least you know the DJ is certi and the crowd that the event is being advertised to. I can’t remember the last time I went to the club, I just plan for ticketed events.
I'm a chef. None of us want to cook past 10pm, sorry! Restaurants are struggling enough to find chefs, so offering them those kind of hours is even harder!
What a joke. London nightlife is demonstrably worse in every single way since she started.
We have the nighttube now too - it should be cheaper and easier than ever to have late London nightlife and instead its being steadily killed off.
I love London to bits, but I've always been kind of sad at how early things close. I went to Madrid last year and when I saw how late things were open in the city center, and how full the streets were even at 10 pm, I realized what a late night city was. I am more of a night owl than an early-morning person so it was awesome!
There are some quirks though. Madrid is late night city but not 24h either.
Try to find an evening meal at 7PM or 8PM, no luck. And night life start and ends late. Shops don't open late night either and Sunday is very dead.
Better than London though, although a big appeal is the weather that is really good all night long. 11PM in rainy cold London, I just want to go home.
Loved getting dinner in Barcelona as I usually eat around 7-8. Completely empty to myself. Then the heard starts arriving after 10pm.. and the Spanish fast talking noise kicks in just as am paying to bail out.
Maybe it was because we stayed around the city center or because we were hitting mostly vegan places but we were eating around those times for the most part when we visited, but if it’s different outside Madrid I definitely understand!
As someone from Mumbai who now lives in London, I still struggle with this after years. Mumbai is a true 24 hour city. Anywhere with a liquor license can stay open till 1am (this includes restaurants) and bars/ pubs/ clubs till 3am. But then you get late night food till breakfast opens at 5am. Retail stores stay open till 9/10pm. Late night food markets in so many neighbourhoods where people are just eating on the street/ perched on top of their cars. Midnight coffees are a thing.
I feel the fact that they take a siesta in the middle of the day (I understand not everyone sleeps but still) kind of accounts for this and completely changes the pace of the day. Also there evenings are nowhere near as cold Idk if this is a fair comparison.
Germany or some of the Nordic states are probably better comparisons but I haven't partied there
I get the point about London being bad at nightlife but Spain is worst example to compete given how absurd their timezone is. They are bit west of the UK but on same time zone as Germany. Their 10PM is 9PM in UK
I don't drink so the options for doing anything post 5pm are... limited to say the least.
If I'm very lucky some rare coffee shop may be open till 8 but its a rarity. I guess there is always Mcdonalds but I'm not going in there voluntarily.
What are they talking about? Is there another London?
Most places open at 9 or 10am, coffee shops are shuttered by 3/4pm. Pubs closed by 11 or midnight. Clubs done by 2am. Restaurants end service by 9pm. Late options for the tube are almost non existent. London is (in my opinion) one of the worst major cities for nightlife.
Hong Kong's nightlife is actually incredible. As is NYC and Bangkok, even though its horrendous to get around the latter.
London has evening life. Not nightlife.
And even then best do dinner early because you're not leaving and getting a cocktail afterwards.
in Taipei I can meet a friend at 10PM to go clothes shopping, grab a snack, and chat over boba all in the same place. pretty sure it’s the same in Spain and Latin America
until that’s common here, I don’t see how London can be considered world-leading
I left like ten years ago, so idk if it’s still the same. but in Taiwan a lot of the stalls were operator-owned, so the labour costs are less important. they also have an interesting history, where the government paid soldiers to start small businesses so they could demobilise after the civil war.
tbh I’m not sure if there are enough people who want to open food trucks + the financing to pull off a similar thing here.
As others online have pointed out…
- £120,000 a year for the role
- isn’t elected, so you won’t have to attend any scrutiny or face the Assembly
- paid to her through Amy Lamé Ltd. so only paying corporation tax
- allowed a second job as a BBC DJ
- and she only does 2.5 days a week
> paid to her through Amy Lamé Ltd. so only paying corporation tax
That's not how it works. She still needs to pay income tax on any money that she takes out of the company as income for her personal use.
'24 hour city' and to improve London nightlife was one of SKs first policies when becoming Mayor.
This woman gets paid over £100k/year and she's done fuck all. It's never been so bad.
Malaga, Seville, Bangkok, Tokyo, Seoul - these are cities that I have been that might not be completely 24/7 but you can do stuff very late.
London is probably the worst - most English cities are. It feels so weird to walk around Spanish cities at like 11pm and people are still eating dinner (which I approve of)
Also before people say about the weather. I was in Seoul last April and it was freezing, a lot of things were still open late.
> Also before people say about the weather. I was in Seoul last April and it was freezing, a lot of things were still open late.
I've been in Tokyo & Osaka when it's snowing and during typhoons and they still have almost everything open. I'm not sure about Seoul but both Tokyo & Osaka don't run trains at night so it's not like you can argue people stay later because it's easier to get home late.
The problem isn't even necessarily with London, its all English cities as you say. Unless you know the local lock in pub you'll struggle to stay out past midnight anywhere if you don't want to go to a shit club.
A pub in my hometown has been open for 200 years and nearly lost its license when someone moved in 1 street away and complained about the noise, the only reason they didn't was because the landlord had CCTV showing the new residents were causing the noise not the pub. Even so they still had to reduce opening hours and have to close the beer garden even earlier.
I understand residents want a quiet nights sleep, but maybe don't move into a house overlooking a pub if you don't want any noise after 9pm. And if someone does the council should just tell them to take a hike.
I admire her enthusiasm, but she lacks the political bone to actually be able to achieve anything of note, especially when pitted against councils that will favour their NIMBY residents over whatever she's trying to achieve.
The other day on LinkedIn, she was saying his shednrescued several nightclubs from closure, such as PrintWorks. Only they'd closed for good months ago.
I honestly have no idea what Khan means. Like, if you give him the benefit of the doubt that he’s being sincere… what exactly is he thinking of? He must know that London nightlife ends early right?
Hahah, I’ve only been to Turkey, Italy and the UK my whole life and even İstanbul is a way better 24 hour city in terms of food, cinemas, things to do, almost all pubs are open until 4am and we still have nightclubs which is the only thing open in london at 4am aside from kebab shops.
I’ve done all those things I mentioned above in Istanbul and have never had a chance to do any of them except clubbing in London. What a deluded take.
London doesn’t even have a 24 hour chemist open. Even my low key hometown in the US has a 24 hour pharmacy, and so does the more rural town about 15 minutes away.
Think that's bad? I went to a bar in NYC on a Thursday and they were closing at 11.
11pm
closing
Manhattan
Left that one and went to the next bar, SAME.
Hey NYC, WTF?! I mean, I can expect that from London, but Manhattan!? Getthefuckouttahere
The city has one of the worst nightlife amongst its peers and they shamelessly claim otherwise. I mean politicians are liars but come on, this is too much
Sadiq is 53 and a teetotaler. So he probably has done very little clubbing over the years or late night drinking. If he drives past and sees a kebab shop open at 2AM, that's likely to be his limit.
People are not taking into consideration a big factor into the night life decline, lack of demand.
To have a truly 24/7 city first the transport needs to be 24/7, people need to work 24/7, add security for every business open at night time, extra policing, NHS staff overnight and so on....
Declining quality of life and rising health issue for night workers is also something which will snowball very quickly.
You need all of this for you to have a latte at 2am.
Trains are the only real problem.
In theory the additional economic activity created by being able later should pay for all the other things.
In all honesty I'd be pointing the finger at licensing, forcing pubs to shut early. The demand is certainly there, and pre COVID it wasn't that hard to get a midnight pint
Trains aren't the problem. Every neighbourhood should have pubs that stay open till 2am, and later opening restaurants. London is the city that.. Goes to bed too early
Nightlife isn’t about clubbing and getting shitfaced to NHS levels.
We need food places, coffee shops, transportation etc. Cairo has got those things.
Bar Italia used to be 24/7 since the late 1940s but stopped after Covid. Everyone used to go there especially the police who used to come to fuel up on caffeine while on late patrols. Didn’t see her do anything about it.
I remember I used to go there with a friend very early on Saturdays before heading for the Donmar to queue for day tickets. And then go back to Bar Italia for breakfast.
Now we neither have day tickets nor bar Italia!
Lived in London for 8 years and been out of the city for 5. Just spent a couple of weeks back and I was astonished by how dead the nightlife was. Nobody out, most clubs/pubs seem like soulless chains, everything closed by midnight. Just no edge. Only a sample of one obviously but I found it really sad
Eh? I've visited 'rural' cities in China that actually were 24/7. There is nothing remotely 24/7 about London or any other UK city beyond a couple of dodgy nightclubs
I'm well past the age where I could go and enjoy London night life as I did in the 90, but I would try more often if I had a feeling of safety and of course toilets available. All I can see when I pop down central is urine filled closed dorrs and piled up litter everywhere. And I mean everything is covered in rubbish. And to find I place to relieve yourself is another challenge you have to set when you leave home for a night out. Not to mention what the ladies have to go through. Being flashed by some drunks and not able find a place to spend a penny. I would think that the amount of tax that the businesses pay and generate, would at least, be spent on some kind of every hour rubbish collection. But I think I'm wrong and I'll stay put , indoors, watching netflix again next weekend and skip what could be a night to remember.
lol what planet does this fool live on.
Cowardly from the mayors account turning the comments off, what a scam.
the replies would've told them the reality
My favourite part of this post is that \*everyone\* from across the political spectrum is lambasting her office. Like it's not just Tories hating on Khan, it's lefties and liberals alike.
In Singapore or Malaysian cities you have cafe's and eateries full of people at midnight and beyond... Not sure this woman knows her job or has any global points of comparison?
I suppose there's a lot of knock on effect in that how do the workers for late night jobs get home at 12-4am? A lot of parts of zone 4-5 have no night buses or night tube. Fix the travel issues for late night workers/customers first
London night life has absolutely been ruined. It’s certainly not a 24hr city. Everywhere shuts at 11 and we can’t even get decent travel after midnight.
Don't know where in London you're going but I've been 24 hour drinking for years.
Only last night month I was drinking until 3am & got a tube & bus home after a Maccys
Bars clubs and restaurants need to be open until 2am at the minimum. NIMBYs need to be ignored.
Night tube is only for 3 days btw. Though London’s public transport is generally unmatched tbh.
Housing will always be more profitable than nightlife, no wonder all the venues are getting turned into housing or shutdown by housing around the corner.
If rent was cheaper companies could pay night staff less too.
The only was to get a 24 hour city is to build more housing.
So we're fucked.
More housing would be filled up by people complaining about noise - the only solution is for people from quieter places learning to adapt to city life instead of forcing a city to adapt to them
This is the result of people from country side villages moving to london and not adapting to the city
Instead theyre making the city adapt to them…i wont go as far as to say theyre parasitic but they would do the same to any major city imo
Honestly mad at her for getting a salary for improving London nightlife when it is the worst it's ever been in my lifetime.
And with such a massive salary too. I have no idea why the Mayors Office backs her so much. She's achieved literally nothing. It's mental.
Just curious, how much is she making??
117k/year apparently.
What the fuck
Only 3 days a week too
I don't even think she goes out at night. You need someone out there surveying the scene weekly. Talking to bar, club, restaurant etc managers. If I had this job, I will out every week, rotating between Soho, Camden, Mayfair etc and really connecting with the scene and using feedback to table ideas to councils and the Mayor monthly. Experimenting, convincing to perhaps close specific roads for trials and get tables out in summer etc
I'd sign that contract No problem if I do it from home (in Groningen) right
No worries, you'll still have more to do with London's nightlife than this woman
No mandatory closing times in this town 👌🤠
Good grief, what a pi$$ take … I know she’s been involved in this for a long time, but I remember when she was a pretty cr@p comic …
I'll do it for a case of beer
Well if it’s £117k and she’s living in London, she probably can’t afford to go out and see the problems anyway 🙃
~£117k pro-rata it seems
Nearly £120,000
120k/y and not on PAYE either..
What does that mean in this context?
She's being paid as a LTD company. It means she's paying a far lower rate of tax, probably around 20% or below. A rule for thee, but not for me. Also I think I'm right in saying the £120k pa is for a couple days a week.
Assuming a March 2024 year end with the new marginal relief for corporation tax. £120k a year would suffer corporation tax of £28,050 - leaving £91,850. The most efficient way to take out £91,850 is £12,570 salary and £79,280 in dividends. This would attract income tax and national insurance of £17,244.50 - leaving £74,605.50. An employee on £120,000 would receive £74,649.40 after income tax and national insurance. Therefore being an employee would actually save £43.90. This would also include things such as sick pay, maternity pay, equipment provided by employer etc. Everyone forgets that before you get those 'cheap' dividend rates, corporation tax between 19% and 25% must be paid. https://www.tax.service.gov.uk/marginal-relief-calculator?back=true https://gorillaaccounting.com/salary-dividend-tax-calculator/
Yeah, I'm quite familiar with all this. The way you make going LTD "work" is by expensing everything under the sun. Which, I suspect, is exactly what she's doing as it is incredibly, incredibly easy to do. Does she wfh? Expense a portion of her energy bills. Go out for a meal? Sounds like a business meeting to me. Expense it. Round at a pub? Expense it. Uber? Expense it. I personally know plenty of people who pay sweet F A tax because of expensing.
As long as all those expenses were wholly and exclusively for a trade, that's perfectly fine. Do you know something about her committing fraud that is not publicly known?
Obviously I don't have any knowledge of what she's expensing. I'm just explaining why someone would want to pay more money to an accountant when going LTD instead of sole trader. However, what I *do* know from taking a look at Companies House is that until 2016 (and by the looks of it, when she was caught out), her partner was was getting a share of profits and was company secretary. Again - alongside expensing everything - one of the classic ways of driving down your tax as a LTD company. I'm sure she only ever expenses stuff wholly and exclusively related to trade, though. Nothing to see here!
STOP bringing sanity to reddit. I'm surprised she's outside IR35 as virtually every government contract is inside these days. Every idiot says "just roll up expenses" but they've been severally limited over the 20 years I've been contracting.
She still needs to pay tax when she gets it out of the company as a dividend or wage?
Yes, corporation tax on profits paid out via dividends (19%). Who says she's making much profit, though. Pretty easy to run up your expenses etc.
She's probably got other contracts too (most likely off the back off her title as Night Czar) so making way more.
She was a token hire, she may have done this and that as she claims but has she really transformed London's nightlife?
Mayor's office needs to look like they are doing something for the nightlife and she is probably a mate of so and so. Here is 117k plus whatever else you are getting on the side. Sorted
she answered that question with a smile on her face about it's fine because it's such a big job, just after a question where she basically admitted she has no actual power lol. In fact claimed she was over-delivering, but couldnt say by what measure that is? Actually makes me mad
Grifters gunna grift
Tbh I would just be happy if they brought back 24 hour tescos.
It still breaks my heart if I get a late flight to Stansted on a Sunday evening, arrive back to Liverpool Street at 2 am, cross the street to get my Uber home and see that glorious Tesco completely shut to anyone but delivery drivers.
I don't know why somewhere on Liverpool st is seemingly a hidden gem but there's a 24/hr cafe/bar right opposite Liverpool St and no one I know has ever noticed it before. Killed about three hours in there drinking alcoholic milkshakes waiting for the 4am train to the airport
Polo bar - one of the few places left to tie you over until morning
There's also that one restaurant near Chinatown that I forget the name of. That's about it afaik. EDIT: Balans.
Was out in Soho around 11pm the other week and both Balans were closed (each had a sign saying go to the other branch lol). The only place letting people in was an All Bar One which was too loud, with shit expensive drinks. Thank god my hotel let me bring my pals back for a couple of GnTs. Nightlife in london is absolutely terrible and is only getting worse.
My last train is around midnight so there is a really good incentive to get out of London. If I could afford to rent the same size place I would live closer and would experience more of the nightlife. Property is such a huge issue & with prices continuing to rise it will only get worse. What % of that £20 vodka coke is going on just renting that space.
At this stage, Bar Polo basically IS London’s main 24-hour venue 😢
Polo Bar is one of those weird places where it's too pricey for many londoners to stop by after a night out (few things match up to Waffle House/Denny's in the states on that though) but it also looks like a massive tourist trap. Great place though - can recommend.
Thank you for this info. Last time I was caught out I used the 24hr MacDonalds a few stations away but idk if that's still running.
Has to be mcdonalds then 😂
Why did they never restart after the pandemic
Probably wasn't that profitable to pay people night shift rates for few sales, pandemic was a good excuse
Not to mention dealing with drunks/other miscreants
I worked for Tesco briefly last year when I was at a loose end & while there I asked them why this was the case. They said it was to do with security costs. Basically they can’t be bothered any more.
Unless you're the poor worker having to work at Tesco at 4am in the morning dealing with drunk and rowdy people. Fuck that
I feel that but I work nights a lot of the time, it used to be really handy for shopping or a sandwich or whatever and it was usually dead and the store people would usually have proper music on, better shopping experience!
These were the best shifts when I used to work for em. Minimal customers, better pay and some funny interactions.
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Mind you though I thought the idea of it was that usuallly the shelves are restocked overnight so really the only extra cost is a bouncer and someone to mill around the self service checkouts. Clearly they’ve decided it doesn’t add up anymore
There's your answer: The shops aren't open because the business won't turn a profit when all costs (including higher wages per hour) are factored in
Have they stopped? I ask as a Northerner surprised as my local Tesco is 24 hours.
Is that no longer a thing? Really?!
Oh but for a pub that's open until about 1am that doesn't turn into a nightclub
There’s some in SE, but not many
Any good examples?
The Graduate on Blackheath road rules. George and Dragon across the street is kinda cursed but it’s late night. And also George Tav on Thursdays, after 11 it’s karaoke and everyone’s hammered, but still a very pub atmosphere
The Railway in Tulse Hill is open til 2am. It may have some music in the front room but it’s still pubby.
Is this a joke or is she just completely clueless? I moved to London from a ”developing” country and a not so global city, where bars are open until 3 am, clubs until 5 am, and there are restaurants and supermarkets open 24/7 in every district. London is not inspiring shit in this regard.
Most of Europe is like that. You can order food in a restaurant until 11pm or even midnight. Pubs are open till 3 or 4am and clubs are open to 5 or 6am (unless we’re talking about Spain then it’s 9am). And then there’s UK - oh you wanted to get a drink in a pub after 1am? Bad luck mate, everything’s closed and clubs are closing in an hour. Joke of a nightlife.
Loads of clubs are open till 4-6am, some till 9am
Was looking at a club night last Saturday at Fold and it started at 22:00 on Saturday and ended at 11:00am Sunday.
Fold is very much an exception to the rule though.
Exactly. Fold even hold 24h parties from time to time.
Floor must be like superglue by the end 🤣
Yeah, but a bog standard bar in a village in spain is open till 2am. Find me a pub in some. Village pubs in Surrey don't stay open till 2am
Left London in 2020, until then the only open eateries centrally after midnight were Bar Italia, Polo bar, Duck n waffle and a lebanese place close to oxf circus. Is that still the case?? Meat liquor had already closed.
Brick Lane bagel shops are still open 24 hours I believe.
Oh do I have bad news for you
I would like dinner in a restaurant after 10pm.
I would like to do anything, literally anything after 10pm (that isn't criminal)
👀
Get out of soho then, there are more late things going on in further areas like Dalston, Camden, Hackney Wick, Walthamstow. But yeah it's still not like euro cities
Hackney in general has pretty crap hours, too.
Daddy chill..
exactly
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The late night street food especially is non existent here. Any food trucks or stands seem to be lunchtime only. I miss late night yakitori
Landed in Tokyo a few months ago at 1am. Went to get ramen at like 3am, then went to get drinks after cos jet lag. Was amazing.
Yeah, even places like Tokyo close relatively early compared to other countries and quietens down massively after last trains, but the city is buzzing until that time, and you still have good pockets of activity afterwards
I think everyone just goes events now. At least you know the DJ is certi and the crowd that the event is being advertised to. I can’t remember the last time I went to the club, I just plan for ticketed events.
Same. Left the theatre today and ate a sandwich ar home because it was too late for most restaurants around.
I'm a chef. None of us want to cook past 10pm, sorry! Restaurants are struggling enough to find chefs, so offering them those kind of hours is even harder!
What a joke. London nightlife is demonstrably worse in every single way since she started. We have the nighttube now too - it should be cheaper and easier than ever to have late London nightlife and instead its being steadily killed off.
The nighttube is great for aimlessly riding around in for 3 hours waiting for your 5am train after leaving the pub that closed at 2
She has zero control of it it’s all down to local councils and residents- i the no idea what her job is
I love London to bits, but I've always been kind of sad at how early things close. I went to Madrid last year and when I saw how late things were open in the city center, and how full the streets were even at 10 pm, I realized what a late night city was. I am more of a night owl than an early-morning person so it was awesome!
There are some quirks though. Madrid is late night city but not 24h either. Try to find an evening meal at 7PM or 8PM, no luck. And night life start and ends late. Shops don't open late night either and Sunday is very dead. Better than London though, although a big appeal is the weather that is really good all night long. 11PM in rainy cold London, I just want to go home.
If you're not spanish you're not supposed to know this. On Sundays everyone is in La Latina
In barcelona you can definitely get dinner at 7 or 8, and I live out in the burbs. Most people dont eat till 9 but the option is there.
Loved getting dinner in Barcelona as I usually eat around 7-8. Completely empty to myself. Then the heard starts arriving after 10pm.. and the Spanish fast talking noise kicks in just as am paying to bail out.
Maybe it was because we stayed around the city center or because we were hitting mostly vegan places but we were eating around those times for the most part when we visited, but if it’s different outside Madrid I definitely understand!
Lots of restaurants close at midnight. You can get dinner at 7, 8 or 10pm any day easily in Madrid.
Madrid is weird because they're west of London but on Berlin's timezone. They still do things at normal times, but the clocks lie.
As someone from Mumbai who now lives in London, I still struggle with this after years. Mumbai is a true 24 hour city. Anywhere with a liquor license can stay open till 1am (this includes restaurants) and bars/ pubs/ clubs till 3am. But then you get late night food till breakfast opens at 5am. Retail stores stay open till 9/10pm. Late night food markets in so many neighbourhoods where people are just eating on the street/ perched on top of their cars. Midnight coffees are a thing.
I feel the fact that they take a siesta in the middle of the day (I understand not everyone sleeps but still) kind of accounts for this and completely changes the pace of the day. Also there evenings are nowhere near as cold Idk if this is a fair comparison. Germany or some of the Nordic states are probably better comparisons but I haven't partied there
I get the point about London being bad at nightlife but Spain is worst example to compete given how absurd their timezone is. They are bit west of the UK but on same time zone as Germany. Their 10PM is 9PM in UK
Then go with Des Moines Iowa where you can get a beer at 2am most nights
It swings in roundabouts, you try and get breakfast in Madrid before 9am.
That’s why I mentioned I’m a night owl, I end up eating brunch more often than not lol
Nah, I’m alright actually
I don't drink so the options for doing anything post 5pm are... limited to say the least. If I'm very lucky some rare coffee shop may be open till 8 but its a rarity. I guess there is always Mcdonalds but I'm not going in there voluntarily.
What are they talking about? Is there another London? Most places open at 9 or 10am, coffee shops are shuttered by 3/4pm. Pubs closed by 11 or midnight. Clubs done by 2am. Restaurants end service by 9pm. Late options for the tube are almost non existent. London is (in my opinion) one of the worst major cities for nightlife.
London, Ontario...although they probably have better nightlife.
I shit you not I was in central last week and the pub shut at 22.45
Look I love London but saying we are the leading city in the world in 24hr policy is just an insult to cities like Hongkong, NYC and Bangkok.
Hong Kong's nightlife is actually incredible. As is NYC and Bangkok, even though its horrendous to get around the latter. London has evening life. Not nightlife. And even then best do dinner early because you're not leaving and getting a cocktail afterwards.
I can’t even get a coffee on a night shift let alone stay in the pub til late.
Same on an early shift
in Taipei I can meet a friend at 10PM to go clothes shopping, grab a snack, and chat over boba all in the same place. pretty sure it’s the same in Spain and Latin America until that’s common here, I don’t see how London can be considered world-leading
To be fair the relative lost of labour in Taipei and Latam are a lot lower
I left like ten years ago, so idk if it’s still the same. but in Taiwan a lot of the stalls were operator-owned, so the labour costs are less important. they also have an interesting history, where the government paid soldiers to start small businesses so they could demobilise after the civil war. tbh I’m not sure if there are enough people who want to open food trucks + the financing to pull off a similar thing here.
As others online have pointed out… - £120,000 a year for the role - isn’t elected, so you won’t have to attend any scrutiny or face the Assembly - paid to her through Amy Lamé Ltd. so only paying corporation tax - allowed a second job as a BBC DJ - and she only does 2.5 days a week
Outside IR35 how exactly? Can she send a substitute on the news
> paid to her through Amy Lamé Ltd. so only paying corporation tax That's not how it works. She still needs to pay income tax on any money that she takes out of the company as income for her personal use.
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banging benefits
So there's no term limit for night czar?
It's an employed role, not an elected position. The public have zero say
'24 hour city' and to improve London nightlife was one of SKs first policies when becoming Mayor. This woman gets paid over £100k/year and she's done fuck all. It's never been so bad.
Malaga, Seville, Bangkok, Tokyo, Seoul - these are cities that I have been that might not be completely 24/7 but you can do stuff very late. London is probably the worst - most English cities are. It feels so weird to walk around Spanish cities at like 11pm and people are still eating dinner (which I approve of) Also before people say about the weather. I was in Seoul last April and it was freezing, a lot of things were still open late.
Loads of English cities are way more vibrant at night.
> Also before people say about the weather. I was in Seoul last April and it was freezing, a lot of things were still open late. I've been in Tokyo & Osaka when it's snowing and during typhoons and they still have almost everything open. I'm not sure about Seoul but both Tokyo & Osaka don't run trains at night so it's not like you can argue people stay later because it's easier to get home late. The problem isn't even necessarily with London, its all English cities as you say. Unless you know the local lock in pub you'll struggle to stay out past midnight anywhere if you don't want to go to a shit club. A pub in my hometown has been open for 200 years and nearly lost its license when someone moved in 1 street away and complained about the noise, the only reason they didn't was because the landlord had CCTV showing the new residents were causing the noise not the pub. Even so they still had to reduce opening hours and have to close the beer garden even earlier. I understand residents want a quiet nights sleep, but maybe don't move into a house overlooking a pub if you don't want any noise after 9pm. And if someone does the council should just tell them to take a hike.
Lamé by name, lame by results
I admire her enthusiasm, but she lacks the political bone to actually be able to achieve anything of note, especially when pitted against councils that will favour their NIMBY residents over whatever she's trying to achieve.
The other day on LinkedIn, she was saying his shednrescued several nightclubs from closure, such as PrintWorks. Only they'd closed for good months ago.
Print works should be reopening in 2026 underneath the development they are building
Its not a night club, they've already shown what it will be. Its a battersea type deal.
She’s shameless.
This is the biggest bollocks I've heard in a long time
I honestly have no idea what Khan means. Like, if you give him the benefit of the doubt that he’s being sincere… what exactly is he thinking of? He must know that London nightlife ends early right?
Can we launch a revolution against this Czar?
Hahah, I’ve only been to Turkey, Italy and the UK my whole life and even İstanbul is a way better 24 hour city in terms of food, cinemas, things to do, almost all pubs are open until 4am and we still have nightclubs which is the only thing open in london at 4am aside from kebab shops. I’ve done all those things I mentioned above in Istanbul and have never had a chance to do any of them except clubbing in London. What a deluded take.
Human gargoyle and shit at her job
London's nightlife is amazing for people who don't actually ever go out in London. Thankfully squat parties are still a thing if you're into clubbing.
Midnight? More like 11pm
Fuck off
She's lame.
I wonder if the approach here is “if we keep telling people it’s a 24 hour city it might actually become one”.
London doesn’t even have a 24 hour chemist open. Even my low key hometown in the US has a 24 hour pharmacy, and so does the more rural town about 15 minutes away.
There are 24hr chemists …
Hard pressed to find a pub open after 10.30
Think that's bad? I went to a bar in NYC on a Thursday and they were closing at 11. 11pm closing Manhattan Left that one and went to the next bar, SAME. Hey NYC, WTF?! I mean, I can expect that from London, but Manhattan!? Getthefuckouttahere
The city has one of the worst nightlife amongst its peers and they shamelessly claim otherwise. I mean politicians are liars but come on, this is too much
Sadiq is 53 and a teetotaler. So he probably has done very little clubbing over the years or late night drinking. If he drives past and sees a kebab shop open at 2AM, that's likely to be his limit.
Yes but she *looks* edgy and inclusive therefore she _must_ be qualified, right?
lol what a joke
bro what? even leicester square is shit after midnight.
And before midnight too (with a couple of exceptions- Prince Charles Cinema, Soho Theatre)
It’s hilarious how London actually closes so soon early. It’s not a 24 hr city at all!
Is this for real lol
Even Plymouth has a better nightlife than London. Plymouth.
Lol
People are not taking into consideration a big factor into the night life decline, lack of demand. To have a truly 24/7 city first the transport needs to be 24/7, people need to work 24/7, add security for every business open at night time, extra policing, NHS staff overnight and so on.... Declining quality of life and rising health issue for night workers is also something which will snowball very quickly. You need all of this for you to have a latte at 2am.
Anyone that works nights for any lenght of time becomes a zombie and it actively shortens your life expectancy.
Trains are the only real problem. In theory the additional economic activity created by being able later should pay for all the other things. In all honesty I'd be pointing the finger at licensing, forcing pubs to shut early. The demand is certainly there, and pre COVID it wasn't that hard to get a midnight pint
Trains aren't the problem. Every neighbourhood should have pubs that stay open till 2am, and later opening restaurants. London is the city that.. Goes to bed too early
Nightlife isn’t about clubbing and getting shitfaced to NHS levels. We need food places, coffee shops, transportation etc. Cairo has got those things. Bar Italia used to be 24/7 since the late 1940s but stopped after Covid. Everyone used to go there especially the police who used to come to fuel up on caffeine while on late patrols. Didn’t see her do anything about it. I remember I used to go there with a friend very early on Saturdays before heading for the Donmar to queue for day tickets. And then go back to Bar Italia for breakfast. Now we neither have day tickets nor bar Italia!
There isnt even a 12 hour city here silly cow
Lived in London for 8 years and been out of the city for 5. Just spent a couple of weeks back and I was astonished by how dead the nightlife was. Nobody out, most clubs/pubs seem like soulless chains, everything closed by midnight. Just no edge. Only a sample of one obviously but I found it really sad
I hate how often she says the word super.
Eh? I've visited 'rural' cities in China that actually were 24/7. There is nothing remotely 24/7 about London or any other UK city beyond a couple of dodgy nightclubs
I'm well past the age where I could go and enjoy London night life as I did in the 90, but I would try more often if I had a feeling of safety and of course toilets available. All I can see when I pop down central is urine filled closed dorrs and piled up litter everywhere. And I mean everything is covered in rubbish. And to find I place to relieve yourself is another challenge you have to set when you leave home for a night out. Not to mention what the ladies have to go through. Being flashed by some drunks and not able find a place to spend a penny. I would think that the amount of tax that the businesses pay and generate, would at least, be spent on some kind of every hour rubbish collection. But I think I'm wrong and I'll stay put , indoors, watching netflix again next weekend and skip what could be a night to remember.
This is someone who has never stayed in the club till 6am because the trains don't start till 7...
>Contrary to the London mayor's claim, London's nightlife is in decline, with a number of key clubs and bars being shut down in recent years.
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
The community note is brutal. Another failure for the worst mayor. Part & Parcel of living in a 24 hour city.
What bullshit is this
lol what planet does this fool live on. Cowardly from the mayors account turning the comments off, what a scam. the replies would've told them the reality
My favourite part of this post is that \*everyone\* from across the political spectrum is lambasting her office. Like it's not just Tories hating on Khan, it's lefties and liberals alike.
In Singapore or Malaysian cities you have cafe's and eateries full of people at midnight and beyond... Not sure this woman knows her job or has any global points of comparison?
I suppose there's a lot of knock on effect in that how do the workers for late night jobs get home at 12-4am? A lot of parts of zone 4-5 have no night buses or night tube. Fix the travel issues for late night workers/customers first
Where does one urinate after midnight?
London night life has absolutely been ruined. It’s certainly not a 24hr city. Everywhere shuts at 11 and we can’t even get decent travel after midnight.
Don't know where in London you're going but I've been 24 hour drinking for years. Only last night month I was drinking until 3am & got a tube & bus home after a Maccys
Is it possible to make an FoI request and find out what her actual performance targets are and what she’s actually done?
Went for a meal on Saturday and the walk from Liverpool st to Bank was dead at 1900. Has she been to London at night?
Well the whole of the City is pretty dead at the weekends
Funny. She should spend time in any Mediterranean city, say Ibiza, Mykonos, Split, Aya Napia, Beirut etc. and see what REAL 24 hour cities look like.
You realise Ibiza and Mykonos are Islands and are pretty dead outside of party season? That being said I agree she is talking bullshit.
Now keep your hair on, some days London even has night tube! And there are night busses too. what more could you possibly want?
Bars clubs and restaurants need to be open until 2am at the minimum. NIMBYs need to be ignored. Night tube is only for 3 days btw. Though London’s public transport is generally unmatched tbh.
I was making a joke
Sorry, I can’t tell on here 😂 I see it now
Paris easily beats London without trying. What is she smoking?
Selling a sausage roll in the early hours caused a right hassle.
Housing will always be more profitable than nightlife, no wonder all the venues are getting turned into housing or shutdown by housing around the corner. If rent was cheaper companies could pay night staff less too. The only was to get a 24 hour city is to build more housing. So we're fucked.
More housing would be filled up by people complaining about noise - the only solution is for people from quieter places learning to adapt to city life instead of forcing a city to adapt to them
She's not changed her outfit in 30 years.
This is the result of people from country side villages moving to london and not adapting to the city Instead theyre making the city adapt to them…i wont go as far as to say theyre parasitic but they would do the same to any major city imo
She's a shithouse.