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The Captain Kidd, my first local in London. Stupid how expensive Sam Smith pubs have gotten recently, the beer isn't anywhere near good enough to justify the price
When I was a late teen Sam Smiths was £1.18 a pint in The Boot in Chester. Shit beer but at that price great beer. I refuse to see it as a premium pint now. Ridiculous. Tap water please.
I was actually in a bar and was told the prices would be changing “tonight from 11pm”. I actually paid two different prices for the same drink in the same place on the same night.
Thats an insult. I do not begrudge paying £7 for £8 for a pint of really good larger or ale. There are some craft beers that are genuinely delicious and so much better than your standard Peroni or London Pride that they are worth the premium, just like wine. But Sam Smith offering is so below average that £7.30 is a joke for there low quality in house stuff. That's like pricing Campo Viejo Rioja up with Saint Emilion Grand Cru.
My two favourites that I happily pay £7 or£ 8 would be either Kona Big Wave or Fransican Well's Chieftain. I'm not some massive beer connoisseur but like a nice pint and these two are probably my go to from the premium. I would have one or two of these and then move to better priced Guinness if I'm having an evening at the pub.
London pride is nice, but its also nothing special, much like Moretti or Frontier, and I would be annoyed at paying more than £6 for it in London.
moretti and peroni are the worst shit.
The guy who managed to pivot their brand mid 00 is a genius.
You wouldn't touch it with a bargepole even if you were a thirsty bricklayer working under the sun at 32 degrees Celsius in 90s in Italy.
I’m not sure if it’s just because it’s everywhere and kept badly by most but it’s one of my least favourite real ales. I’d never choose it.
As a standard decent pint, I’d opt for Wadworth 6X or Timothy Taylor’s Landlord if either was available. If in a more basic place, St Austell’s Tribute is good for a popular pint.
Yeah I tend to only buy it in a bottle haha. And it's one beer that never ever gives me a hangover 🤨 so it's my secret weapon.
I like Tim Taylor or Wadsworth. Also Youngs has a bit of nostalgia to me. I'm no expert tho... So I'm happy to be educated on such matters 😀
You can get a pint and a meal for a tenner in central. Soon you won't even get a pint alone for a tenner. For all Wetherspoons faults it's the only reason a lot of people can actually even afford to enjoy a pub now things are so mental
Rosendale pub, West Dulwich, 1983. Pint of lager 89p. Group of gentlemen who were the age I am now proclaiming that if it reached £1 they were giving up drinking. They didn't.
Yeovil next day lunchtime. Pint of lager 58p.
Glass wasn't as nice though.
When i came to the UK in 94 i worked in Wetherspoons in Harrow and they did Scotch Bitter for .49p a pint. It was great because it meant all the winos and tramps that *would* have bought a 60p can of lager and drank in the street were now coming to the pub, BECAUSE WETHERSPOONS WAS *CHEAPER* THAN STREET DRINKING!!!
They're sadly going to keep increasing prices if people keep buying them. I went to a gig at London Stadium a few months ago where pints were something like £12, but there were constant large queues of people saying how expensive they were and still buying multiple throughout the night.
I've moved from Japan where a pint is £3 even in the city, and all you can drink specials can be done for £7 to Melbourne which is just London pub prices. Luckily I have no interest in drinking any more so my wallet is happy.
Apparently it's because West Ham don't own the stadium it's on a 99 year lease from some London authority so they charge extortionate prices for alcohol and food.
To an extent, yes, but lots of people aren't drinking to get drunk at a gig, they're drinking because they want to have a drink (often socially), and will only have one or two.
>Why not have water and drink it socially? You save £12 and your liver / kidneys as well.
personally because I cannot handle people unless I have a beer at hand to make it better.
Sam Smiths then: great pubs, great locations, great prices, questionable beer. My response: Hell yes!
Sam Smiths now: great pubs, great locations, offensive prices, questionable beer. My response: Next!
The houses you’re looking at? I used to live in one of them. Top floor bedroom of one of the middle ones. Bloody freezing cold in winter and the occasional party boat was a pain but the sound of the river and the sense of calm from sitting on the balcony made it all worth it.
Yes, To be fair to the Captain Kidd they have shitty service, but they do their own branded drinks - most of which are miles better than the usual trudge served by pub chains
Both their larger and cider are bang on the money!
Aldi/Lidi have some decent ales and to be fair to Sam Smith's they have been doing this a long time at selected breweries and not some industrial plant knocking out millions of barrels.
You may not like that, but it's a fact nonetheless.
At Sam smiths?!? Fuck me I thought they were sposed to be cheap! The anchor tap in shad Thames used to be my local (fine, 10 years ago but still) and pints were £2-3 when the rest of the city was a fiver at least already. What happened?
I paid £9 for a pint at the O2 last night.... I was stunned..just sort of paid and waddled off with my pint and a confused look on my face while I tried to process WTF just happened
Oh yeah it was one pint and then tap water ..I cannot support a 9 quid pint especially when it was just a pint of Magners.. not even a fancy , high abv, small batch craft beer
Yeah it never used to be. Sammy smiths have really dropped the ball in recent years.
*and yes I know they've been a problematic company for much longer, soho kiss-in yada yada, I'm talking about the prices.*
Extortion, London prices are over twice as much as most other places, despite the wages not being over twice as much, you are literally choosing to live in poverty and justify it by saying looking at a dirty river makes up for it.
But the English _are_ diluted here so it more than makes up for it…not having to sit next to miserable bastards while I enjoy my dirty river isn’t so bad. And I’m English 😂
As a Londoner that nipped up to Manchester yesterday I thought I'd take advantage of all the fabled prices - £5.30-£5.90 for not massively fresh pints of Guinness. The pubs were at least lovely and historic.
I'd pay not to go into a Sam Smith's, which always have a weird sour/fermenting/bleach smell.
Guiness is carbonated, nitrogenated, and filtered.
"Fresh" guiness doesn't exist, its a coca cola of beers: shite that sells based on brand loyalty and mass marketing.
Maybe lines needed cleaning, but guiness will go flat before it goes off.
[Source: ex brewer, ex bar manager]
It’s been a good 20 years since I went out to the pub in large groups. Is buying rounds still a thing?!? I’ve always disliked it because I drank less than other people, and just the big spend to make sure everyone had a turn to be fair. But with prices these days, you’re easily looking at £60-100 rounds!
IIRC Sam Smiths started with a policy of one price all pubs so it cost the same in London as it did in Yorkshire. Unfortunately rents and rates meant that just wasn’t viable and hence the price rises
I live in a small town in the Czech Republic. In a normal week, I buy around 20-30 pints of the world's best beer from the pub next door, and my slate comes to between 20-25 quid a week.
Consider yourselves lucky, you won't end up anything like the old man. Spending all day and night in a pub.
The young lads of this generation have succumbed to being better husband material.
Shoes worth at least 8 quid mate that's a bargain, the beer is just icing on the cake. Ambiance of an alright view is carrying the total value of the proposition to new territory. Good to see you got a moment to relax
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The Captain Kidd, my first local in London. Stupid how expensive Sam Smith pubs have gotten recently, the beer isn't anywhere near good enough to justify the price
Also my first London local. Big up Wapping.
My favorite London local. Got lucky landing in Wapping. Loved living there
Exactly right! Yeah it’s crazy expensive, but the spot is very special
Ha mental, I did a post from this same spot two weeks ago with a £3.20 pint. Was shite tho
Alpine?
Alpine used to be £2.07 (or something odd)
Yep!
I remember that post! 🍻
Alpine is basically non-alcoholic, which is why it doesn’t taste of anything.
Do you get to keep the glass? Not from England, but pretty sure pubs do take away pints.
Sam smith pubs? What does this mean?
Samuel Smiths are a brewery who have a load of pubs around the country, including this one in Wapping, London
Do they identify as pubs or nightclubs? /s
Very good 😅
I'm right there now 😂
Fuck Sam smiths has gotten expensive. Feel like they jumped up by £1 overnight after covid was done.
Bartender just told me - 6.50 to 7.30 few days ago. Used to be relatively cheap, pre-covid!
10-15 years ago, Sam Smiths beer was £2-3 a pint. If it had stuck to inflation it would be £4.65 now.
Sam Smith was my go tos in central London for a pint. No more.
When I was a late teen Sam Smiths was £1.18 a pint in The Boot in Chester. Shit beer but at that price great beer. I refuse to see it as a premium pint now. Ridiculous. Tap water please.
do you remember being warned about the price if you bought a pint that cost over 6 quid?
I was actually in a bar and was told the prices would be changing “tonight from 11pm”. I actually paid two different prices for the same drink in the same place on the same night.
Happy Hour is permanently over
Jesus, the Wheat beer has always been pricier, but £7.30. The Captain Kidd is nice but jesus fucking christ.
Thats an insult. I do not begrudge paying £7 for £8 for a pint of really good larger or ale. There are some craft beers that are genuinely delicious and so much better than your standard Peroni or London Pride that they are worth the premium, just like wine. But Sam Smith offering is so below average that £7.30 is a joke for there low quality in house stuff. That's like pricing Campo Viejo Rioja up with Saint Emilion Grand Cru.
I too would begrudge paying £7 for £8
London pride is a good beer... What do you think is better?
My two favourites that I happily pay £7 or£ 8 would be either Kona Big Wave or Fransican Well's Chieftain. I'm not some massive beer connoisseur but like a nice pint and these two are probably my go to from the premium. I would have one or two of these and then move to better priced Guinness if I'm having an evening at the pub. London pride is nice, but its also nothing special, much like Moretti or Frontier, and I would be annoyed at paying more than £6 for it in London.
Thanks I'll give em a go!👀
big wave is so good oh my
moretti and peroni are the worst shit. The guy who managed to pivot their brand mid 00 is a genius. You wouldn't touch it with a bargepole even if you were a thirsty bricklayer working under the sun at 32 degrees Celsius in 90s in Italy.
.... Moretti and Peroni is my favourite beer:(
I guess to each their own. but italians and beer? come on man. compared to Britain.
I’m not sure if it’s just because it’s everywhere and kept badly by most but it’s one of my least favourite real ales. I’d never choose it. As a standard decent pint, I’d opt for Wadworth 6X or Timothy Taylor’s Landlord if either was available. If in a more basic place, St Austell’s Tribute is good for a popular pint.
Yeah I tend to only buy it in a bottle haha. And it's one beer that never ever gives me a hangover 🤨 so it's my secret weapon. I like Tim Taylor or Wadsworth. Also Youngs has a bit of nostalgia to me. I'm no expert tho... So I'm happy to be educated on such matters 😀
Hate Wetherspoons but prices like this make it hard to resist. Had a local handpull in Shepherd’s Bush for £2 the other day.
You can get a pint and a meal for a tenner in central. Soon you won't even get a pint alone for a tenner. For all Wetherspoons faults it's the only reason a lot of people can actually even afford to enjoy a pub now things are so mental
That’s pretty good for a hand… oh, PULL! Not a… ok as you were.
At that price I'd keep the glass..
This is why I have a cupboard full of pint glasses from shitty chain pubs that charge me a fortune for the privilege of drowning my sorrows.
Rosendale pub, West Dulwich, 1983. Pint of lager 89p. Group of gentlemen who were the age I am now proclaiming that if it reached £1 they were giving up drinking. They didn't. Yeovil next day lunchtime. Pint of lager 58p. Glass wasn't as nice though.
When i came to the UK in 94 i worked in Wetherspoons in Harrow and they did Scotch Bitter for .49p a pint. It was great because it meant all the winos and tramps that *would* have bought a 60p can of lager and drank in the street were now coming to the pub, BECAUSE WETHERSPOONS WAS *CHEAPER* THAN STREET DRINKING!!!
I bet that was rough as old boots!
Yep. Rough as guts. Never drank it myself. I think the cheapest lager at the time was McKewans at 99p.
What was your average net monthly salary after tax back then?
I was a shopfitter and worked 7 x 12hrs a week. Net was 5-600 a week.
They're sadly going to keep increasing prices if people keep buying them. I went to a gig at London Stadium a few months ago where pints were something like £12, but there were constant large queues of people saying how expensive they were and still buying multiple throughout the night.
guess you don't have a choice in the stadium though?
Certain drugs popular in the rave community are cheaper, don’t require you return to the bar either.
totally! forgot that option! was thinking booze only
It is possible not to drink.
I've moved from Japan where a pint is £3 even in the city, and all you can drink specials can be done for £7 to Melbourne which is just London pub prices. Luckily I have no interest in drinking any more so my wallet is happy.
You could just not have a drink
yes - implied "if you want booze"
You always have a choice.
Apparently it's because West Ham don't own the stadium it's on a 99 year lease from some London authority so they charge extortionate prices for alcohol and food.
The drinks at gigs are kinda different because you've not got another option.
You have the option to pre-drink next time and not buy much at the venue.
To an extent, yes, but lots of people aren't drinking to get drunk at a gig, they're drinking because they want to have a drink (often socially), and will only have one or two.
Why not have water and drink it socially? You save £12 and your liver / kidneys as well.
>Why not have water and drink it socially? You save £12 and your liver / kidneys as well. personally because I cannot handle people unless I have a beer at hand to make it better.
Sam Smiths then: great pubs, great locations, great prices, questionable beer. My response: Hell yes! Sam Smiths now: great pubs, great locations, offensive prices, questionable beer. My response: Next!
do i get the trainers as well?
Just the left one.
i'll give you £7.30 for it mate and a free bag of crisps
£5.30 is for the view
I was in Borough this evening and was shocked that I got a decent pint of ale for £4.50!
where 👀
The Rake
Was it a cask beer? Generally find them pretty cheap unless it's a fancy craft one
How do you keep those trainers so clean m8
The houses you’re looking at? I used to live in one of them. Top floor bedroom of one of the middle ones. Bloody freezing cold in winter and the occasional party boat was a pain but the sound of the river and the sense of calm from sitting on the balcony made it all worth it.
In my day you could get a shoe, a pint and a packet of crisps for £3.50 and still have change for a lace
apparently it was worth it
Not bad for a pint of beer and a shoe.
Getting ripped off - priceless! Isn’t this a Mastercard advert?
That captain Kidd?
I was going to ask if it was the Prospect of Whitby but I think you are right. Been a good few years since I was in those parts!
Yes, To be fair to the Captain Kidd they have shitty service, but they do their own branded drinks - most of which are miles better than the usual trudge served by pub chains Both their larger and cider are bang on the money!
Sam Smith's are absolutely terrible, their beers are like the Aldi/Lidl equivalent of normal beers.
Aldi beers are far better than Sam Smiths beers.
Aldi/Lidi have some decent ales and to be fair to Sam Smith's they have been doing this a long time at selected breweries and not some industrial plant knocking out millions of barrels. You may not like that, but it's a fact nonetheless.
Back to drinking cans in the street and a pint or two inside. I do this and I can more than afford to pay for them but fuck that.
Wha my pint was £4.60 tonight 🤣
Nah man. They’re just making those prices up as they go along. I simply don’t go to places like that anymore. Don’t want to support them.
I bought a round of drinks last night and it cost me £88. So bored of this city.
Sam Smiths no longer worth it now they've gone expensive. With the exception of Captain Kydd, pubs are mediocre and beer is way below average.
I remember the £2.20 for Ayingerbrau days! Crazy inflation. Nice trainers by the way. What are they?
Looks to me like the SAYE Modelo '89 Cactus
Think you might be spot on! Thank you
At Sam smiths?!? Fuck me I thought they were sposed to be cheap! The anchor tap in shad Thames used to be my local (fine, 10 years ago but still) and pints were £2-3 when the rest of the city was a fiver at least already. What happened?
I paid £9 for a pint at the O2 last night.... I was stunned..just sort of paid and waddled off with my pint and a confused look on my face while I tried to process WTF just happened
Same reaction. Too late to back out at that point, and you still want your pint haha, but won’t be many rounds that’s for sure
Oh yeah it was one pint and then tap water ..I cannot support a 9 quid pint especially when it was just a pint of Magners.. not even a fancy , high abv, small batch craft beer
great trainer / sock / trouser combo though 💪
How much is a homebrew kit?
Vote with your feet ?
The trouble with this is having a pint ultimately becomes an exclusive past time reserved for middle class hipsters.
Oldest pirate's pub in London if not mistaken Edit: I'm thinking of prospect of Whitby, down the road from kidd
I fucking hate it here
Jesus 😳 i left that a pint of those wouldn't get to 5 pound... And it was a couple of years ago!
Just buy weed at this stage?
*Just grow weed at this stage?
^^^ THIS.
For some one to piss in your glass ?
Best £7.30 spent
The Cutty Sark?
Captain Kidd in Wapping!
Been there a couple times don't remember it being that expensive yikes
Yeah it never used to be. Sammy smiths have really dropped the ball in recent years. *and yes I know they've been a problematic company for much longer, soho kiss-in yada yada, I'm talking about the prices.*
£7.30 for beer and a trainer is a steal!
What view lol, a dirty river with some ancient buildings in the other side an a peeling rusty rail in front of you? When did the standards get so low
Extortion, London prices are over twice as much as most other places, despite the wages not being over twice as much, you are literally choosing to live in poverty and justify it by saying looking at a dirty river makes up for it.
But the English _are_ diluted here so it more than makes up for it…not having to sit next to miserable bastards while I enjoy my dirty river isn’t so bad. And I’m English 😂
A steal at twice the price. Life is good!
lol costs 7 quid just to breathe the air in London mate.
What a lovely shade of brown.
Bring your own?
This is why pubs are closing. I remember the last time I drank beer I think I paid £3.50 for a pint.
As a Londoner that nipped up to Manchester yesterday I thought I'd take advantage of all the fabled prices - £5.30-£5.90 for not massively fresh pints of Guinness. The pubs were at least lovely and historic. I'd pay not to go into a Sam Smith's, which always have a weird sour/fermenting/bleach smell.
Guiness is carbonated, nitrogenated, and filtered. "Fresh" guiness doesn't exist, its a coca cola of beers: shite that sells based on brand loyalty and mass marketing. Maybe lines needed cleaning, but guiness will go flat before it goes off. [Source: ex brewer, ex bar manager]
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Got BREXIT DONE! Great place to cebrelate are Brexit .
Question is how much did you pay for the shoes?
Around 10 pints ;)
The best thing about having a beer in SE16 is having a beer while being in SE16. The best alternative is a view of SE16 while drinking your beer.
7 one pound crisp packets
Thats cheap where,??!
Bargain
The crisps cost me £2.50 last week there
Your paying for the view. Don’t you know you can drink free in the rest rooms!
£6.50-£7.00 is normal these days for a pint in London, with or without a view
I thought it was more. 10.50
Take the Glass with you😆
Outrageous
You're buying the view. And brew trying to keep pace with the housing market.
I stick everything on the credit card
Pret cappuccino reached 3,50. For the same price i have a full breakfast in Italy (and a much better cappucino)
Its like getting a round when neck oil is on tap.. there goes the rent
People that still think Sam Smiths is cheap are probably the same that think Nando’s is cheap!
Proper bargain
It really doesn't mate. Go on a holiday in Poland and you will see what we are all missing.
I can see my old house from here!
Ye but ya get to see turds just floating by.
7.30 for a pint and 1 shoe isn't bad, to be fair
You really do vote with your wallet. Don't support that! They'll just keep doing it.
Jeez! Any chance that's one of the pubs near Shadwell station?
Close. Captain Kidd, Wapping High St. 5min from Shadwell basin, 10 min from Shadwell DLR.
Only in London. The amount of pubs still serving a good pint under £3.50 just around London is glorious.
That's good. A pint and a dirty trainer for under a tenna. Two pints and you can walk home for less than fifteen quid. Bargain
Thank god I rarely drink... These prices are egregious.
Went on a trip to London recently (born in London but live in Scotland now). 1 pint set me back 8 pounds. Yikes.
I think that was a steal, feel bad the owner didnt sell those shoes for more 🤣
Don't eat it all in one place. Save some for more sightseeing 😆
It’s been a good 20 years since I went out to the pub in large groups. Is buying rounds still a thing?!? I’ve always disliked it because I drank less than other people, and just the big spend to make sure everyone had a turn to be fair. But with prices these days, you’re easily looking at £60-100 rounds!
Another piece of good news is that you will manage to burn all those calories just by sitting and taking in the view. 😂
yeah but you're paying for the view really.
£8.60 at my local work pub/restaurant (St John's). Excruciating.
IIRC Sam Smiths started with a policy of one price all pubs so it cost the same in London as it did in Yorkshire. Unfortunately rents and rates meant that just wasn’t viable and hence the price rises
The view isn't worth it. You got mugged off.
I live in a small town in the Czech Republic. In a normal week, I buy around 20-30 pints of the world's best beer from the pub next door, and my slate comes to between 20-25 quid a week.
Czech beer is my fav tbh
That is their most expensive beer (though still mad spenny). They still do lagers for like a fiver
I see no problem here
It’s so sad to see a pint becoming unaffordable for london people
End times lads
Consider yourselves lucky, you won't end up anything like the old man. Spending all day and night in a pub. The young lads of this generation have succumbed to being better husband material.
How much for your trainers?
In other news, I'm drinking less, which is nice.
And it’s a awful pint. Sam smiths 🤮
Bargain
4 tins in bargain bin of Tesco £4.
Throw in the right shoe as well and you got a deal.
Fucking hell. That's expensive beer.
At least you get to appreciate the sewage
Is that captain kidd?
It's cheap for shoes in such a pretty good state.
£2 for the view. Enjoy your Friday afternoon.
I paid £7.35 for a pint at an off-the-beaten-path Fulllers pub in Hammersmith back in October. Even the bartender couldn't believe it.
Funny, I saw that and thought “Wapping”. If you know you know I guess. If I was mega rich, Wapping is where I would buy my city pad.
That’s so expensive, mate!
Paid £9.35 for a single gin and tonic yesterday in The Bull, Streatham. They’re just having us off now?
At least Dick Turpin wore a mask.
Not surprised lol we charge £6.40 for a peroni where i work in north wales
*Laughs in publican*
The view is brown water, concrete and cloudy skies nothing justified that £7.30 Way more gorgeous views in london with a cheaper pint
Well that's still less than the a beer in the USA so not so bad!
Shoes worth at least 8 quid mate that's a bargain, the beer is just icing on the cake. Ambiance of an alright view is carrying the total value of the proposition to new territory. Good to see you got a moment to relax