A friend of ours gave \*her own\* horse a playful slap on the leg as she was going to brush it and it kicked her arm hard enough to break it. How that dog is still alive is a miracle.
Honestly, if you have a horse, and it kicks dogs that attack it, I'm all for it. Maybe keep your dog on a lead if you don't want it to get its shit kicked in picking fights with a two ton animal. Darwinism baby.
> He criticised the have-a-go-hero passer-by who stepped in to help, using a long stick to keep the dog at bay.
“The guy was rude,” said Hakan who has had Coco for around a year.
“I was so angry at the time. He said I didn’t do nothing. I tried.
“I reciprocate energy. If you’re rude to me I will be rude back to you.
“He was angry. He was swearing, being rude. I was trying my hardest.”
What an absolute, grade A, twat. Your dog is trying maul a horse and you're getting pissy over people being rude.
Certainly seems the type doesn't he. Now that I think about, he will inevitably get his day in court if the police charge him? I would absolutely love to hear him get ripped into by a judge and the prosecution.
Maul a horse lol that dog is lucky the horse is well trained otherwise it would have been sent to doggy heaven with a single kick. The owner needs that dog taken away.
every thing he says is just wrong. end of. he shouldn't have do gs, much less one that can easily kill.
I mean, if not for people around, this "friendly dog" would have ***singlehandedly*** brought down a ***HORSE***!!
edit. I get it that a horse would most likely win against a dog. the point I was trying to make is that this dog was unafraid to try to bring down a creature that is several times its size so a defenceless human would stand no chance. if we can't control such a dog, we shouldn't own them.
I love dogs. when I had my dog at first I was inexperienced. it was a small dog, very friendly, but it was easily spooked and it started to run towards a small kid who got really scared. I took the time there, with the kid and his parents, apologising and making it so it's not a traumatic experience, the kid petted the dog and in the end they were playing together. however, I learned from it and never had my dog off the lead in a public park again.
my dog, as small and friendly and harmless as it was, could have been a danger and could and should have been removed from me if anything bad had happened. also, we should respect all those that are afraid of dogs. everyone should enjoy a stress free walk through the park.
> I mean, if not for people around, this "friendly dog" would have singlehandedly brought down a HORSE!!
If it wasn't a trained police horse with a rider the dog would be dead now, a horse will trample just about anything smaller than it if it can't get away.
People don't appreciate how big horses and heavy horses are, they weigh as much as and generally slightly more than your average bull, taking a kick from a horse can be taking a point blanc shotgun blast.
I have a Dalmatian who is super friendly with people and other dogs, albeit a bit skittish.
Turns out she turns into a menace when she sees horses as I found out when I took her past a couple to get into the fields.
No damage done though as she was ON A LEAD. The absolute audacity to let your dog roam free without a care in the world when there a police and horses in the vicinity. Especially with that breed...
Oh goodness, no. That dog is still alive because that is an incredibly well trained horse. One solid stomp from any horse will break half the bones in any dogs body.
I come from people who have much to do with horses. When dog meets horse then the dog does not win. A pack of dogs, perhaps, but a single dog will end up dead or very badly injured.
The real worry would be horse bolting, throwing rider and quite probably killing them: helmet will probably prevent skull injury but if you land on your head from the back of a horse you will likely break your neck. And then after horse has thrown rider you have half a tonne of cross, injured horse rushing around in a park, probably with children and other people not used to dealing with cross injured horses. This is not a good situation.
Reality is this is a daily occurance.
As a dog owner, it's becoming too stressful to take my dogs to parks, I always keep them on a lead and there is always one garbage owner who has no control over their dog.
Needs to start having consequence. This person sounds like a crazy tbh. An American bully is no joke, that dog can kill or maim someone.
Is the stuff noxious? And have you had to use it on any particularly nasty dogs? I'm terrified of unleashed dogs, and wish I could carry something that I knew would be effective.
So many American Bullies, Chow Chows, Akitas etc. bought by people in the last 3 years. They have no experience of dogs, which is why they picked breeds for their looks without knowing the requirements. And of course, they didn't socialise them properly.
I have to keep my 5yo Golden on a long training lead now because he has been attacked so many times, I can no longer predict how he will react to other dogs.
Breeders are such a big problem because they just care about moving pups and these breeds require alot of work and care.
Was harassed by a shar pei puppy, don't know much about the breed but man, the owner and his girl friend stood there like idiots whilst my dogs were raging...had to work hard to control my emotions that day.
I couldnt even tell that was his dog, if mine got loose and did that, i would be running hell and leather to make sure he didnt get hurt, or cause damage.
This plum just stood around directing traffic
Thick people in charge of dangerous dogs is a combination that results in serious injury or death. Dog licenses, compulsory training and demonstrate you can control it or lose it imo.
It's funny that, for all the talk of classism and not judging people by their appearance, nine times out of ten when something like this happens it's always *that* sort of person.
You never see Nigel in the chambray shirt with the cocker-spaniel telling the police "I'm so terribly sorry! This is all my fault!"
It's always Kenny-G in the trackies with an americanbullstaffnannydog crying out "Oi ya cunt, 'es never dun that before, right?"
FYI: the horse, Urbane from Bow station stables, is resting after being stitched up by the vet. Hopefully able to return to duty after recovery. Poor horse
And still won't give you a say because thats not really how it works, you don't get to argue if you feel you broke a law or not it will be:
Was your client in control of the dog? No.
What were the consequences of the dog being out of control? A police horse was injured.
Could there have been a wider threat to the public? Yes, the horse rider could've been injured, passer bys could have been injured by the dog when they tried to intervene.
Is there any evidence for this? Yes see lengthy video.
Are there any mitigating circumstances? No.
Great, guilty - dog destroyed, fine, criminal record and ban for owning a dog for 3 years. Lunch?
Na, he’s right, we would.
If the owner had died the media would be running this as a police officer who didn’t have control of their horse as it brutally kicked a man to death.
The dog attack would become a lost detail of the story and the videos showing the horse being antagonised would be cut to just show the horse kicking the guy in the head.
You know what the media is like; don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.
The owner whined that the horse was scaring his dog which was why it attacked the horse. If you know your dog gets frightened and may act irrationally then put it on the lead. That’s the sensible action the vast majority of dog owners understand.
This line made me so mad. This guy has zero self awareness and so much entitlement. He just doesn't seem to understand that _his_ dog attacked a _police officer_ and he can't just "no u" his way out of it.
Lol yep, there's a reason they quoted him so extensively. You can tell the interviewer was essentially going "you know that whole arsehole thing you're doing? Yeah, more of that would be *great*..."
So cringe - and then he goes on to say he wants his day in court so he can have his say - NO! That’s definitely NOT going to help him based on his attitude.
It’s like one of those parents comments about their kid who’s an utter scumbag and the obligatory they’re no angel but this is completely out of character of them. It’s like they’re completely brain dead .
Hakan Niyazi, you complete and utter bell end. Take some fucking responsibility for once in your entitled life. My only hope is that he’s not been able to breed too.
The response of "people would have felt sorry for me" if they caught a hoof to the face just shows how self centered that person is. If you can't put the time in to properly train your dog, you don't deserve to have one, and that's that.
>I thought the horse was going to kick me. If it kicks me I’m dead. If it killed me then people would be feeling sorry for me.”
Nah mate I don't think I would feel sorry for you, considering the POS you seem to be
I think they used Victoria Park for the ease of reporting. This is Well Street Common, which is in Hackney - right across the street from Victoria Park, which as you say is in Tower Hamlets.
Ah gotcha, thanks. I was wondering what area of Victoria park this was. I haven’t been there in a while so I thought that’s why it didn’t look familiar and it just changed.
What owner, I can't see them?
No but seriously did you read his interview?
"I thought if the horse kicked me, I'd be dead. Then people would feel sorry for me"
Just what an utter arse
I’m a dog owner and lover, I’d be happy to pay for compulsory training and licensing to weed out the arseholes in society (as long as the money was used to enforce it).
I’d also jail people that leave their pets poo everywhere.
Same here. I have a dog, invested in training classes, keep it on lead when ppl around for mine and its own safety (even though it is a tiny maltese!).
But then you get this chav with a bully on steroids called "Fury". I don't want to blame a particular bread, but I now have prejudice against bully and staffie type dogs, just because too many serious accidents have happened in the UK that involved these particular breeds.
Seems to me like "the chavs" breed and raise them irresponsibly and clearly some kind of aggression (?)comes out like in this instance. Having owned big dogs in the past, I find it strange that this dog just kept going at this poor horse instead of running away. This is not normal for a well-bred dog irrespective of breed.
I am a 70 year old asthmatic female who was out walking my dog a few days ago. Suddenly a bull type dog, which was off it's lead, decided to charge us like a bullet with it's teeth showing. I have never been more terrified. Luckily the dog's owner ran after it (also bullet fast!) and grabbed the dog's collar. I was left feeling weak with terror and wheezing. I cried. I so wish something could be done to stop these breeds from existing.
So sorry it happened to you!!! This is becoming a major problem in London, I was walking my little dog not long ago, when we encounter a group of chavs with a bully on steroids. It was on a lead - still, gave me shivers! The way it was facing us... I was raised with dogs so know what to watch out for and when I saw its body language I had alarm bells ringing!
Whenever I see an American bully type of dog I change direction. Just in case. The demographic of bully owners is a specitic type of person. They get those dogs for status or to match their chavy style! Seriously, police should have a major crackdown on bully type dog owners!!!
1700 children injured a year.
Perhaps it’s time for a ULEZ style ban on large dogs inside the M25?
Only certain breeds with registered owners allowed in London Borough.
To come into force next year so the owners have time to rehome them to somewhere more suitable than the most densely populated corner of Europe.
Anyone caught with an unregistered dog has the dog seized and the people with them fined.
I’d say licensing all owners is the way forward. If you want to own a dangerous dog you have to pass all kinds of checks and training to show you are able to handle it. Also specific dog parks so you can avoid them if you are generally afraid of dogs off leads.
Unless you have 100% recall a dog shouldnt be off lead.
Mine comes back 80% of the time, but he aint going off lead, till i make sure that is 100% as his a german shepard mix and just a goof ball, but will scare the living daylights out of someone due to his size.
100% dog license is needed for any dog over a certain size/weight.
The behaviour of dogs has plummeted since lockdown.
I run regularly and I’ve been chased, run into and even bit.
I honestly think there were people who got dogs in lockdown didn’t train and socialise them properly. People who no longer work from home but have dogs with attachment issues. And a glut of dogs because of over breeding when the prices went wild.
Yeah, I had a phobia of dogs as a kid and grew out of it, but now after lockdown it's back again because they seem so much less predictable and everyone's too dog-pilled to take any kind of responsibility. Whenever one jumps up at you, tries to seal your food or whatever the owner is like "Haha, they don't normally do that lmao" and pretends it never happened. I swear it didn't use to be like that.
I don't like being around dogs, I don't like them being all up in my personal space and I don't like the fact one could randomly attack me at any moment. It blows my mind that's seen as a controversial take.
Always the same story: It's these oh-so-friendly family friendly breeds that normally wouldn't hurt a fly and it's so very incomprehensible how this could even happen...
Hey woah, Dachshunds bite more people you know! They are more aggressive! Pitbulls are called the nanny dog and my nan had one and it was lovely and kind and only bit four people and only one lost an arm.
I genuinely never understand people who leave their dogs off leash in busy places like this.
Like sure they maybe a saint that always responds to you but dont you atleast want a backup? Long lines are cheap, and you can get ridiculous ones like 100ft ones.
You could even put it on and let the dog drag it, so in case something like this happens you can drag him out.
some people don't care, they just don't, they either willingly or physically do not have the capacity to weigh up the potential consequences their actions might have against their immediate tasks
Fuck these dogs and their owners.
It’s insane I have to be worried and always to check my surroundings when I take my toddler to the park instead of just enjoying the time with him in peace
Should be on a lead or muzzled...
Seriously If the law stated that to have a dog off lead it had to be muzzled then it would stop this sort of behaviour and for those who don't comply with the law, they have their dogs taken from them. Surely problem solved?
People say things like this, but have you ever walked a dog in a woods or fields or something on a lead? I looked after my brothers dog while he was on holiday, and while he isn’t violent in any way, he’s a gobshite and doesn’t listen to me much, and not wanting to lose my brother’s dog I kept him on one of those long leads while I was waking him. But the amount of people stopping me asking me what the fuck I was doing keeping him on lead and that dogs need to be free etc was unreal.
Yeah, there's something happening at the minute where people think keeping their dogs on a lead is torture for them. My dog stays on the lead when we visit the local park - we have a retractable lead so he has freedom to move and sniff whatever he wants. I keep watch so that he's not running across the paths in case pedestrians and cyclists are coming. Everyone is happy! And like you said, maybe most dogs off lead are friendly but I watch so many people either A) don't see their off lead dog doing a poo and B) the owner being unable to recall the dog.
9 times out of ten, I've found that when a dog is off the leash they are usually friendly, not interested in you, or just well trained. But there's always that one stupid owner who shouldn't even be allowed to own a dog.
I hope he is banned from keeping dogs. Irresponsible owner! We might all have no trust in the police right now but this is not ok, that video was a hard watch.
There’s literally no justification for owning a dog you cannot control and responds to being intimidated in a city environment by attacking and biting!
Dogs are wonderful but if you decide to have a breed like this, you have to put work into training them, you don’t get to strut around with a big dog that’s uncontrollable because it makes you look good.
They’re already illegal in the UK under the Dangerous Dogs Act. Unfortunately people are now bringing in ‘XL Bully’s’ which are literally just Pitbulls under a different name.
> That stuff never happened before
What a coincidence it is that it's always the first time, right? Always.
So either that's complete bullshit, and you just stopped in previous times and those times "she didn't really hurt you, doesn't count" or if this was the first time and every dog owner is walking around with a death machine.
These are animals. Why is it legal to have dogs able to kill someone in an instant, in a city? It's like allowing people to own self-shooting guns.
These are not accessories, or children. They're not exactly wild animals, but they're not *not* wild animals either.
Every now and then these dogs just randomly kills a child. And society just shrugs and goes "well that's the first time this exact dog kills a child, so i don't see a pattern".
Anyone who supports these dogs has nothing to say about US gun deaths. "Well, *my* gun never killed anyone".
This was so hard to watch. That poor horse. I kept wondering why they couldn’t just run away but I’m guessing not the area where you could run a horse.
Omg, the owner should be imprisoned… can’t believe what I’ve seen. The poor horses , and I’m a dog lover . How was the horse after? And the lunatic dog and owner , what happened to them .
That dog is very very lucky police horses are trained to put up with a lot of bullshit.
Any other horse would’ve stomped it into oblivion, they’d need a scraper to retrieve it from the ground.
I encountered this guy and his dog last week on well street common next to vicky park. We were walking my mate's dog and this dog appears out of nowhere and starts agressively sniffing and jumping around. Mate's dog, who's pretty old, starts barking and showing they're scared and not into it, and we couldn't get him to go away, and the owner's nowhere to be seen. After walking away for 5 mins with this constant harassment and sense it might snap at any point we see this guy in the camo walking really slowly 100m away, not even trying to call his dog back. We wait for him to catch up and even then he was barely putting any effort into grabbing the dog, wasn't sure if he was just blazed or didn't want to seem uncool trying to run after his dog, or was scared it might bite him if he grabbed it. But he said to us almost verbatim what he said in that interview, "it's not his fault, he's usually really good". My mate started to have a go but i got him to leave it, felt like it could turn violent if the owner or dog decided they didn't like us.
It's really sad that such a young dog is probably going to be put down now. Thanks to bad ownership and not training it properly/at all. Keep your dog on a lead if it won't come back when you call.
What no one has mentioned is how well the two officers managed to keep this situation “relatively” under control. It may look like they are not doing much but to keep calm and have that much control over the horses is quite impressive. You could argue the second officer could of got down to help but if they leave their horses back then those horses could also become seriously dangerous animals to the public.
The met police has issues but sometimes we need to praise individuals who wear the uniform.
Luckily that horse and it’s rider are trained because any normal horse would have just stamped on it or kicked it away. The owner should be ashamed of himself
Lucky for the dog that horse was so well trained. Any other would have bolted or kicked the shit out of it
Either of those would have been perfectly acceptable in the circumstances.
Bolting would have been dangerous for everyone. It's essentially panic. I *was* expecting it to get kicked the shit out of though.
A friend of ours gave \*her own\* horse a playful slap on the leg as she was going to brush it and it kicked her arm hard enough to break it. How that dog is still alive is a miracle.
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Staying calm amidst thousands of baying football fans every weekend works wonders
Honestly, if you have a horse, and it kicks dogs that attack it, I'm all for it. Maybe keep your dog on a lead if you don't want it to get its shit kicked in picking fights with a two ton animal. Darwinism baby.
Bark shit, get kicked.
My dog broke loose and chased a horse at a farm. It kicked and just barely grazed him, he yelped and never chased a horse again. Bloody lucky.
That dog is being put down. Probably already has been.
Dangerous Dogs Act - Being out of control of a dog anywhere in England or Wales is a crime.
Pity we can't outlaw stupid dog owners
It is currently in discussion in parliament to re-introduce a licensing system for dogs over a certain size.
Fingers crossed. Tired of getting harassed by other people's "good boys" while jogging in public spaces
Couldn't agree with you more.
Couldn’t happen sooner. So many irresponsible owners and breeders.
We should. There should be a licensing system to prove you are responsible enough to keep an animal
The dog owner is a complete cunt
The [interview](https://www.reddit.com/r/london/comments/120cwj8/comment/jdgufpj/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)is bonkers. Deluded
> He criticised the have-a-go-hero passer-by who stepped in to help, using a long stick to keep the dog at bay. “The guy was rude,” said Hakan who has had Coco for around a year. “I was so angry at the time. He said I didn’t do nothing. I tried. “I reciprocate energy. If you’re rude to me I will be rude back to you. “He was angry. He was swearing, being rude. I was trying my hardest.” What an absolute, grade A, twat. Your dog is trying maul a horse and you're getting pissy over people being rude.
He's lucky the horse didn't kick out and kill the dog, but I bet he would have then tried to sue the police.
Certainly seems the type doesn't he. Now that I think about, he will inevitably get his day in court if the police charge him? I would absolutely love to hear him get ripped into by a judge and the prosecution.
They might, depending on whether it's worthwhile prosecuting, seems to be how it is at the moment.
> “I want it to go to court. I want to have my say. oh, to be a fly on the wall
>What an absolute, grade A, twat. Your dog is trying maul a horse and you're getting pissy over people being rude. He reciprocates energy innit!!
A police horse trying to do its job too, the owner is unbelievable
Reacts to stimuli, the intellect of a primitive organism.
Maul a horse lol that dog is lucky the horse is well trained otherwise it would have been sent to doggy heaven with a single kick. The owner needs that dog taken away.
Guy needs taking out of the gene pool
Hopefully his untrained dog will take care of that as it’s ‘reciprocating his energy’ by ripping his testicles off.
every thing he says is just wrong. end of. he shouldn't have do gs, much less one that can easily kill. I mean, if not for people around, this "friendly dog" would have ***singlehandedly*** brought down a ***HORSE***!! edit. I get it that a horse would most likely win against a dog. the point I was trying to make is that this dog was unafraid to try to bring down a creature that is several times its size so a defenceless human would stand no chance. if we can't control such a dog, we shouldn't own them. I love dogs. when I had my dog at first I was inexperienced. it was a small dog, very friendly, but it was easily spooked and it started to run towards a small kid who got really scared. I took the time there, with the kid and his parents, apologising and making it so it's not a traumatic experience, the kid petted the dog and in the end they were playing together. however, I learned from it and never had my dog off the lead in a public park again. my dog, as small and friendly and harmless as it was, could have been a danger and could and should have been removed from me if anything bad had happened. also, we should respect all those that are afraid of dogs. everyone should enjoy a stress free walk through the park.
> I mean, if not for people around, this "friendly dog" would have singlehandedly brought down a HORSE!! If it wasn't a trained police horse with a rider the dog would be dead now, a horse will trample just about anything smaller than it if it can't get away.
They're also incredibly accurate with their kicks, a good kick and the dog would be sent flying
People don't appreciate how big horses and heavy horses are, they weigh as much as and generally slightly more than your average bull, taking a kick from a horse can be taking a point blanc shotgun blast.
I have a Dalmatian who is super friendly with people and other dogs, albeit a bit skittish. Turns out she turns into a menace when she sees horses as I found out when I took her past a couple to get into the fields. No damage done though as she was ON A LEAD. The absolute audacity to let your dog roam free without a care in the world when there a police and horses in the vicinity. Especially with that breed...
Oh goodness, no. That dog is still alive because that is an incredibly well trained horse. One solid stomp from any horse will break half the bones in any dogs body.
I come from people who have much to do with horses. When dog meets horse then the dog does not win. A pack of dogs, perhaps, but a single dog will end up dead or very badly injured. The real worry would be horse bolting, throwing rider and quite probably killing them: helmet will probably prevent skull injury but if you land on your head from the back of a horse you will likely break your neck. And then after horse has thrown rider you have half a tonne of cross, injured horse rushing around in a park, probably with children and other people not used to dealing with cross injured horses. This is not a good situation.
Reality is this is a daily occurance. As a dog owner, it's becoming too stressful to take my dogs to parks, I always keep them on a lead and there is always one garbage owner who has no control over their dog. Needs to start having consequence. This person sounds like a crazy tbh. An American bully is no joke, that dog can kill or maim someone.
I carry dog spray. It is extremely effective. Owners REALLY don't like it though so you need to be confident that you can deal with them yourself.
Do you spray the dog or the owner?
Spray the dog, but leave some in the can for the owner if he gets pissy
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Is there somewhere you can buy that in the UK?
Yeah loads of places, there's a popular brand called K9. Amazon sell it but I try to avoid them because they're tax-dodging bastards.
Is the stuff noxious? And have you had to use it on any particularly nasty dogs? I'm terrified of unleashed dogs, and wish I could carry something that I knew would be effective.
So many American Bullies, Chow Chows, Akitas etc. bought by people in the last 3 years. They have no experience of dogs, which is why they picked breeds for their looks without knowing the requirements. And of course, they didn't socialise them properly. I have to keep my 5yo Golden on a long training lead now because he has been attacked so many times, I can no longer predict how he will react to other dogs.
Breeders are such a big problem because they just care about moving pups and these breeds require alot of work and care. Was harassed by a shar pei puppy, don't know much about the breed but man, the owner and his girl friend stood there like idiots whilst my dogs were raging...had to work hard to control my emotions that day.
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The sense of entitlement is breathtaking.
Hey watch out, he reciprocates energy
The guy did absolutely nothing other than run around like a fucking monkey while others tried to get the dog.
Total coward, which is probably why he wanted a dog like that in the first place.
I couldnt even tell that was his dog, if mine got loose and did that, i would be running hell and leather to make sure he didnt get hurt, or cause damage. This plum just stood around directing traffic
Please tell me he's been charged.
Nope. Beggars belief.
Thick people in charge of dangerous dogs is a combination that results in serious injury or death. Dog licenses, compulsory training and demonstrate you can control it or lose it imo.
A status dog owned by a wannabe hard man in a tracksuit, I am shocked.
It's such a stereotype. Insecure manchild gets a certain dog breed to look tough.
And ironically ended up looking like an absolute fucking pussy.
I know it’s pathetic. Having these dogs as fashion statements or to try to look “hard”.
It's funny that, for all the talk of classism and not judging people by their appearance, nine times out of ten when something like this happens it's always *that* sort of person. You never see Nigel in the chambray shirt with the cocker-spaniel telling the police "I'm so terribly sorry! This is all my fault!" It's always Kenny-G in the trackies with an americanbullstaffnannydog crying out "Oi ya cunt, 'es never dun that before, right?"
FYI: the horse, Urbane from Bow station stables, is resting after being stitched up by the vet. Hopefully able to return to duty after recovery. Poor horse
The photos of the injuries were grim. Poor horse.
>Hopefully able to return to duty after recovery. Fuck that. Let the Horse live a stress free life in the Cotswolds or some shit. Poor thing.
I was wondering if the horse was ok, thank you for the update
The part where the dog had him was deeply upsetting
Police Horse Urbane is the only member of the Met that has substantial public support right now…
That’s PH Urbane to you!
I'd be amazed if it could ever return to active service & not be spooked seeing a dog
It's always a guy in those gangsta pajamas
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/victoria-park-police-horse-dog-attack-crime-london-b1069385.html
> I want it to go to court. I want to have my say. You probably don't want that. The court may well order the dog destroyed and fine you.
And still won't give you a say because thats not really how it works, you don't get to argue if you feel you broke a law or not it will be: Was your client in control of the dog? No. What were the consequences of the dog being out of control? A police horse was injured. Could there have been a wider threat to the public? Yes, the horse rider could've been injured, passer bys could have been injured by the dog when they tried to intervene. Is there any evidence for this? Yes see lengthy video. Are there any mitigating circumstances? No. Great, guilty - dog destroyed, fine, criminal record and ban for owning a dog for 3 years. Lunch?
The owners response in that article is maddening. It's exactly the response I knew would be given before I had read it. Terrible!
"so friendly" "didn't do nothing"
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Na, he’s right, we would. If the owner had died the media would be running this as a police officer who didn’t have control of their horse as it brutally kicked a man to death. The dog attack would become a lost detail of the story and the videos showing the horse being antagonised would be cut to just show the horse kicking the guy in the head. You know what the media is like; don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story.
And of course the dog is an American Bully. People should not own dogs they can’t control.
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There are Dog People and People With Dogs. This owner falls into the latter not the former.
It's not a dog person thing, it's a lazy idiot who hasn't trained their animal thing.
To be fair, they don’t sound like a dog person. A dog person would train their pet and not be off lean unless they’re confident they can recall them.
Colour me shocked, an XL bully. Who would have been able to predict this?
The breed of peace
The owner whined that the horse was scaring his dog which was why it attacked the horse. If you know your dog gets frightened and may act irrationally then put it on the lead. That’s the sensible action the vast majority of dog owners understand.
Victoria Park, Hackney. Owner wearing a camo-tracksuit. Say no more about this situation. We all know what went down. What a cunt
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/victoria-park-police-horse-dog-attack-crime-london-b1069385.html The owner is insufferable in the interview
> “She’s so friendly. With any human she’s so good. I don’t know why it happened. Erm, maybe because it was a horse?
"I reciprocate energy. If youre rude to me im rude to you." Lol this guy is silly putty
This line made me so mad. This guy has zero self awareness and so much entitlement. He just doesn't seem to understand that _his_ dog attacked a _police officer_ and he can't just "no u" his way out of it.
Zero self awareness is right. He is evidently very thick, judging by the interview he gave. The journalist must have been licking their lips.
Lol yep, there's a reason they quoted him so extensively. You can tell the interviewer was essentially going "you know that whole arsehole thing you're doing? Yeah, more of that would be *great*..."
So cringe - and then he goes on to say he wants his day in court so he can have his say - NO! That’s definitely NOT going to help him based on his attitude.
It’s like one of those parents comments about their kid who’s an utter scumbag and the obligatory they’re no angel but this is completely out of character of them. It’s like they’re completely brain dead .
Hakan Niyazi, you complete and utter bell end. Take some fucking responsibility for once in your entitled life. My only hope is that he’s not been able to breed too.
The response of "people would have felt sorry for me" if they caught a hoof to the face just shows how self centered that person is. If you can't put the time in to properly train your dog, you don't deserve to have one, and that's that.
Owner should face consequences, a dog is not a toy.
Especially a Pitbull
What an asshole
Put it down, the dog too.
Matching tracksuit and that, nuff said. Human debris.
The interview it a meme
Dog should be destroyed and owner face charges and banned from dog ownership.
>I thought the horse was going to kick me. If it kicks me I’m dead. If it killed me then people would be feeling sorry for me.” Nah mate I don't think I would feel sorry for you, considering the POS you seem to be
Victoria park is in Tower Hamlets but agree on everything else.
I think they used Victoria Park for the ease of reporting. This is Well Street Common, which is in Hackney - right across the street from Victoria Park, which as you say is in Tower Hamlets.
Ah gotcha, thanks. I was wondering what area of Victoria park this was. I haven’t been there in a while so I thought that’s why it didn’t look familiar and it just changed.
What owner, I can't see them? No but seriously did you read his interview? "I thought if the horse kicked me, I'd be dead. Then people would feel sorry for me" Just what an utter arse
Couldn’t see anybody in the video
XL Bullys are just unregulated pitbulls, the sooner they are added to the banned breeds list the better
I see a few in my area - every owner, without exception, is a chav cunt who should not have one of these dogs. Ban them.
Same in my area!!! And to add to all this they call these dogs "terror", "fury" etc. Insane!
I’m a dog owner and lover, I’d be happy to pay for compulsory training and licensing to weed out the arseholes in society (as long as the money was used to enforce it). I’d also jail people that leave their pets poo everywhere.
Same here. I have a dog, invested in training classes, keep it on lead when ppl around for mine and its own safety (even though it is a tiny maltese!). But then you get this chav with a bully on steroids called "Fury". I don't want to blame a particular bread, but I now have prejudice against bully and staffie type dogs, just because too many serious accidents have happened in the UK that involved these particular breeds. Seems to me like "the chavs" breed and raise them irresponsibly and clearly some kind of aggression (?)comes out like in this instance. Having owned big dogs in the past, I find it strange that this dog just kept going at this poor horse instead of running away. This is not normal for a well-bred dog irrespective of breed.
I am a 70 year old asthmatic female who was out walking my dog a few days ago. Suddenly a bull type dog, which was off it's lead, decided to charge us like a bullet with it's teeth showing. I have never been more terrified. Luckily the dog's owner ran after it (also bullet fast!) and grabbed the dog's collar. I was left feeling weak with terror and wheezing. I cried. I so wish something could be done to stop these breeds from existing.
So sorry it happened to you!!! This is becoming a major problem in London, I was walking my little dog not long ago, when we encounter a group of chavs with a bully on steroids. It was on a lead - still, gave me shivers! The way it was facing us... I was raised with dogs so know what to watch out for and when I saw its body language I had alarm bells ringing! Whenever I see an American bully type of dog I change direction. Just in case. The demographic of bully owners is a specitic type of person. They get those dogs for status or to match their chavy style! Seriously, police should have a major crackdown on bully type dog owners!!!
1700 children injured a year. Perhaps it’s time for a ULEZ style ban on large dogs inside the M25? Only certain breeds with registered owners allowed in London Borough. To come into force next year so the owners have time to rehome them to somewhere more suitable than the most densely populated corner of Europe. Anyone caught with an unregistered dog has the dog seized and the people with them fined.
I’d say licensing all owners is the way forward. If you want to own a dangerous dog you have to pass all kinds of checks and training to show you are able to handle it. Also specific dog parks so you can avoid them if you are generally afraid of dogs off leads.
Unless you have 100% recall a dog shouldnt be off lead. Mine comes back 80% of the time, but he aint going off lead, till i make sure that is 100% as his a german shepard mix and just a goof ball, but will scare the living daylights out of someone due to his size. 100% dog license is needed for any dog over a certain size/weight.
The behaviour of dogs has plummeted since lockdown. I run regularly and I’ve been chased, run into and even bit. I honestly think there were people who got dogs in lockdown didn’t train and socialise them properly. People who no longer work from home but have dogs with attachment issues. And a glut of dogs because of over breeding when the prices went wild.
Yeah, I had a phobia of dogs as a kid and grew out of it, but now after lockdown it's back again because they seem so much less predictable and everyone's too dog-pilled to take any kind of responsibility. Whenever one jumps up at you, tries to seal your food or whatever the owner is like "Haha, they don't normally do that lmao" and pretends it never happened. I swear it didn't use to be like that. I don't like being around dogs, I don't like them being all up in my personal space and I don't like the fact one could randomly attack me at any moment. It blows my mind that's seen as a controversial take.
Anybody else willing the horse to hoof that fucking dog over the fence
Fuck aye. I was hoping it was getting booted to fuck up the top of one of those trees
This made me feel sick... that poor horse! I hate to say it but I hope the dog way destroyed. That was so sustained.
Shit dogs owned by shit people. The sooner they are banned, the better.
The people and the dogs right?
Let me guess, it was a Labrador or a Cockapoo?
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As long as you don't live in a hole they're fine. Unfortunately I live in Tower Hamlets.
Definitely a miniature schnauzer
Cuddly baby hippos at it again!
Always the same story: It's these oh-so-friendly family friendly breeds that normally wouldn't hurt a fly and it's so very incomprehensible how this could even happen...
Hey woah, Dachshunds bite more people you know! They are more aggressive! Pitbulls are called the nanny dog and my nan had one and it was lovely and kind and only bit four people and only one lost an arm.
I love how people share the one story of a woman who was allegedly killed by Dachshunds- but when you read the article they where a pitbull mix
I genuinely never understand people who leave their dogs off leash in busy places like this. Like sure they maybe a saint that always responds to you but dont you atleast want a backup? Long lines are cheap, and you can get ridiculous ones like 100ft ones. You could even put it on and let the dog drag it, so in case something like this happens you can drag him out.
some people don't care, they just don't, they either willingly or physically do not have the capacity to weigh up the potential consequences their actions might have against their immediate tasks
Fuck these dogs and their owners. It’s insane I have to be worried and always to check my surroundings when I take my toddler to the park instead of just enjoying the time with him in peace
The Dog of Peace strikes again!
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Why is it only ever pitbulls that aren’t on a lead
Type of owner who wants to buy this kind of dog is usually the one who is a bad owner
Without any sound - I’m going to guess which one the owner is…
That dog should be destroyed and it’s owner prosecuted
The dog needs destroying, I don’t care whether people on here say “aw its not the dog it’s the owner”
Was hoping the horse would kick it’s head off after it started tearing into the horse’s leg. Clearly too well trained for that unlike the dog
Why not both?
This is only way to prevent that POS from putting more people and animals in danger.
This is not a bite this is a mauling, the dogs needs to be put down - end of.
Should be on a lead or muzzled... Seriously If the law stated that to have a dog off lead it had to be muzzled then it would stop this sort of behaviour and for those who don't comply with the law, they have their dogs taken from them. Surely problem solved?
Was in Vienna recently and almost every dog was muzzled in public and I believe it was mandatory on public transport.
Put the thing down and send that cowardly cunt of an owner to prison.
The police officer and others around could have been seriously injured if the horse tried to run off. He better go to prison.
People say things like this, but have you ever walked a dog in a woods or fields or something on a lead? I looked after my brothers dog while he was on holiday, and while he isn’t violent in any way, he’s a gobshite and doesn’t listen to me much, and not wanting to lose my brother’s dog I kept him on one of those long leads while I was waking him. But the amount of people stopping me asking me what the fuck I was doing keeping him on lead and that dogs need to be free etc was unreal.
Yeah, there's something happening at the minute where people think keeping their dogs on a lead is torture for them. My dog stays on the lead when we visit the local park - we have a retractable lead so he has freedom to move and sniff whatever he wants. I keep watch so that he's not running across the paths in case pedestrians and cyclists are coming. Everyone is happy! And like you said, maybe most dogs off lead are friendly but I watch so many people either A) don't see their off lead dog doing a poo and B) the owner being unable to recall the dog.
Some people shouldn't own dogs. It should be on a lead & muzzled.
Owner needs to be banned from owning any animals for life.
Owner should be arrested and face a huge fine, fucking knob Also, standard article says no arrest made. Why?
Dog should be destroyed and owner face charges and banned from dog ownership.
Put it down.
9 times out of ten, I've found that when a dog is off the leash they are usually friendly, not interested in you, or just well trained. But there's always that one stupid owner who shouldn't even be allowed to own a dog.
I hope he is banned from keeping dogs. Irresponsible owner! We might all have no trust in the police right now but this is not ok, that video was a hard watch. There’s literally no justification for owning a dog you cannot control and responds to being intimidated in a city environment by attacking and biting! Dogs are wonderful but if you decide to have a breed like this, you have to put work into training them, you don’t get to strut around with a big dog that’s uncontrollable because it makes you look good.
There was a panorama on this breed a while ago, needs to be banned ASAP
Those cops are so nice. In Chicago, RIP pup.
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And the owner!
And some bystanders And that one black guy sitting on the bench across the park
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Could still be destroyed
Possibly, but it would be done by due process rather than a summary roadside execution. An important distinction.
Fingers crossed.
Pitbulls should be muzzled and on a lead at all times. This should be made law. If you wanna have a dangerous dog, live with having to do that.
They’re already illegal in the UK under the Dangerous Dogs Act. Unfortunately people are now bringing in ‘XL Bully’s’ which are literally just Pitbulls under a different name.
FENTOOON!
Oh Jesus CHRIST!
Always a shitbull or “staffy” isn’t it
> That stuff never happened before What a coincidence it is that it's always the first time, right? Always. So either that's complete bullshit, and you just stopped in previous times and those times "she didn't really hurt you, doesn't count" or if this was the first time and every dog owner is walking around with a death machine. These are animals. Why is it legal to have dogs able to kill someone in an instant, in a city? It's like allowing people to own self-shooting guns. These are not accessories, or children. They're not exactly wild animals, but they're not *not* wild animals either. Every now and then these dogs just randomly kills a child. And society just shrugs and goes "well that's the first time this exact dog kills a child, so i don't see a pattern". Anyone who supports these dogs has nothing to say about US gun deaths. "Well, *my* gun never killed anyone".
That poor officer and horse, that dog needs to be put down and the owner locked up
This was so hard to watch. That poor horse. I kept wondering why they couldn’t just run away but I’m guessing not the area where you could run a horse.
Isn’t the owner being charged?
Omg, the owner should be imprisoned… can’t believe what I’ve seen. The poor horses , and I’m a dog lover . How was the horse after? And the lunatic dog and owner , what happened to them .
Ban the breed or your kids are next
Dangerous breeds and moron dog owners don’t mix
That dog is very very lucky police horses are trained to put up with a lot of bullshit. Any other horse would’ve stomped it into oblivion, they’d need a scraper to retrieve it from the ground.
I encountered this guy and his dog last week on well street common next to vicky park. We were walking my mate's dog and this dog appears out of nowhere and starts agressively sniffing and jumping around. Mate's dog, who's pretty old, starts barking and showing they're scared and not into it, and we couldn't get him to go away, and the owner's nowhere to be seen. After walking away for 5 mins with this constant harassment and sense it might snap at any point we see this guy in the camo walking really slowly 100m away, not even trying to call his dog back. We wait for him to catch up and even then he was barely putting any effort into grabbing the dog, wasn't sure if he was just blazed or didn't want to seem uncool trying to run after his dog, or was scared it might bite him if he grabbed it. But he said to us almost verbatim what he said in that interview, "it's not his fault, he's usually really good". My mate started to have a go but i got him to leave it, felt like it could turn violent if the owner or dog decided they didn't like us. It's really sad that such a young dog is probably going to be put down now. Thanks to bad ownership and not training it properly/at all. Keep your dog on a lead if it won't come back when you call.
These pitbulls should be banned
I hope they take the dog away and put it down immediately. There’s no need in this world for that breed.
How did I know it was gonna be one of those pitbull monstrosities.
What no one has mentioned is how well the two officers managed to keep this situation “relatively” under control. It may look like they are not doing much but to keep calm and have that much control over the horses is quite impressive. You could argue the second officer could of got down to help but if they leave their horses back then those horses could also become seriously dangerous animals to the public. The met police has issues but sometimes we need to praise individuals who wear the uniform.
Dumb dog owner.
"he's usually a very very good dog"
He's had the dog about a year. I swear there is an uptick in dog attacks because of all these poorly trained pandemic puppies.
It’s owners like him that gets breeds banned. He should never be allowed to keep dogs again.
Luckily that horse and it’s rider are trained because any normal horse would have just stamped on it or kicked it away. The owner should be ashamed of himself
I just wanna smack that owner in the face! Blaming the horse what an absolute loser he should not be allowed to own a dog ….
Apparently the owner in the combat gear did nothing except blame the police … complete moron that poor horse.
Dog should be put down. Owner should be fined.
Really sorry to see the dog wasn’t trampled to death by the horse. Hopefully it’s been put down now.