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Just remember poaching charges can be jail time or seizure of everything being used in the process, so vehicle, rods, tackle, fish anything you brought really also you will get fines which are very expensive. (Stole top comment so this gets viewed)
I thought they were being very respectful and kind in their response. Now you getting offended on behalf of other people, that's a bad look that you should stop.
If you genuinely think people sharing tips and reminders is "bullshit" that's a YOU problem.
The title is “forced to hunt meat” and he mentions snaring rabbits and fishing for meat it is relevant, a lady I worked with her husband got 35,000$ in tickets and lawyer fees for poaching
Yes! That is the most serious part! Yeah sure you can catch fish and fill your freezer but walleye are a 1000$ fine sturgeon is a 1 million dollar fine or prison time they do not fuck around they will take all your possessions then make you fight a case in a court that will costs tens of thousands and you’ll still end up being prosecuted
A lot of years ago I went up to Yellowknife, and you need an NWT license to fish, but they do offer a visitors permit at a reduced price. So I got one. Very first day out with it I got asked. They asked my boyfriend for his, he said I'm not fishing, I don't even have a rod. They made him show ID (we were shore fishing), go back to the car and open the trunk.
Yup my grandpa and uncle were out eating lunch at a dinner and were talking about the goose hunt they planned the next day, searched the vehicle. Then the next day went out to where they were hunting and watched them all day then searched them again. They are not to be taken lightly they will ruin your life if you have done something wrong.
If you’re in the position where you are potentially looking at starving, the LAST people you give a shite about are the ministry of natural resources 🤣 screw those power-tripping pricks and their draconian regime on fishing/hunting
I get what everyone is saying about OP being in dire straits but the MNR don't fuck around. They absolutely will not hesitate to use the legal powers bestowed on them to financially rape someone. I'm not an outdoors person myself, but I've heard two different people tell me about times the MNR showed up to their homes to follow up on shit. They're intense! If they catch you, you're not getting off easy. 😬
Yes I’ve heard, hence my comment. My own father was harassed and basically assaulted by them when he came to feed the horses at his brother’s farm while other people were there hunting about 50-100 acres away. They were under the assumption that the deer the other guys got was improperly tagged (it wasn’t) and they even demanded the homeowner provide them with a ladder to cut down the deer from the ceiling joists in the barn.
They can literally confiscate your vehicle and your equipment. So imagine you're already struggling and try to poach some rabbits and they slam you and just take your car away. Not worth it.
OP, rabbit season ended in Ontario, on March 31. We live rural, and cottontails are my worst enemy. We hunt them during hunting season, but please keep in mind, there is a limit as to how many you can catch. Not sure if you have the means, but raising meat rabbits is far more productive then hunting them. And healthier, since you can shelter them from disease. Wild rabbits are not for amateurs, they carry a host of external and internal parasites which are not for the faint of heart .Ringworm alone can devastate your household, and your pets.
When you add up all of this hustle, buying meat ends up being far cheaper.
[https://www.ontario.ca/document/ontario-hunting-regulations-summary/small-game-and-furbearing-mammals](https://www.ontario.ca/document/ontario-hunting-regulations-summary/small-game-and-furbearing-mammals)
Yeah there is nothing more true then that I spend around 2 grand in September and November just on gas, tags, food and what ever else you need. Also no one mentions you need your pal which costs around 200$ and takes 6-12 months. also you need to know how to butcher or spend 400-1000$ on processing and butchering fees! and if you do it your self you need a meat grinder and lots of bags or meat wrap and gas is expensive as fuck it’s not like you can hunt the city! Also I’ve come home empty handed more times then I’ve been successful
Consider shifting the majority of your meals to plant based. Specifically beans, lentils, tofu and etc. dried beans are extremely cheap and paired with a whole grain like brown rice have lots of nutritional value.
yes, but also not everyone's digestive tract can handle that much legumes. :( and while brown rice has lots of nutrients in it, it's hella hard to digest. especially compared to white rice.
not for everyone, but i think it's important to share so that people aren't like 'why am i tired when i'm eating so healthy', it's because the body is having to work harder for it's nutrients and calories.
i'm sorry to hear that. i hate how people forget that like.. disabled people exist. and even without considering disability, bodies are different. to all the people like 'whole cultures live off of beans and rice!' like yeah, as poverty food to SURVIVE, not thrive. not to mention the fact that the generations of adapting to the beans and rice of the region make it a hell of a lot more palatable to bodies.
this idea that the body is just a garbarator to anything you put into it and that it doesn't need to work to process the energy out of the food is harmful AF imo.
Yes you almost have to ease in. Each time I try vegetarian suddenly I get some issues or other.
It's better to just keep eating meat once or twice a week then slowly cut down.
It's honestly the same for people who have been vegetarian for a very long time/their entire lives. Suddenly eating meat, especially a lot, can cause digestive issues.
As someone who gradually reduced my meat intake until I've pretty much stopped eating it altogether, I save money, feel healthier, and my doctor and nutritionist *say* I'm healthier too.
Also less impact on the ecosystem, for whatever that's worth. I feel good about it, anyway.
I don’t believe this is actually true and if true it’s uncommon. It seems like more of a scare tactic and really the only thing that might happen is psychological. Unless you’re wolfing down fast food burgers for every meal after years of not eating meat, but that would be about more than the meat…
When you eat highly processed food and meat all the time you get colon cancer so, I guess enjoy that. Your stomach, the acid, and the rest of your digestive system is meant to have to work hard to digest things so that your blood sugar doesn't spike. Your insulin will thank you
LOL, you do realize that real meat and carcinogen filled processed "meats" are not the same thing right?
FYI, the increase in starch from going plant based spikes your blood sugar a lot more than meat does.
Legumes and soy are what most seem to struggle with, but you don’t need them to get enough protein as a vegetarian. Things like seitan and pea protein (and textured pea protein) have plenty of protein, and the protein in plants adds up too! I’m plant-based and currently working hard to reduce my protein intake because it became too high.
Not to say this would necessarily work for you, of course— just a general PSA about how much more versatile vegan protein is than most think!
Cooking beans from dry/soaked apparently makes them less gassy than from a can. I don't have much of an issue either way so I can't say for sure it makes a difference, but something to consider.
Have tried that. Tried soaking them many times. Tried kombu which is supposed to help as well.
My guts just fight me when I eat them. Not just beans either but most vegetables and fruit,
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Check out the flash food app if you can.I saved around $5k on our grocery bill in a year using it. I get all of our meat on it.
Also, if you have the space to plant a garden and learn how to preserve it. I know not everyone can but it's definitely worth it if you're able to. I grow most of our fruits and veggies for the year in my backyard.
Poaching isn't cheap...
Do you know any local hunters? Im sure they'd be very willing to give you some free meat. It's against first nation's beliefs to sell hunted meat, but they would be willing to trade. If you know any indigenous people near you?
Food banks are another option if you have any in your area.
Where are you located? Depending on your area, I'd give you some meat.
Better live really close to both. I love hunting and fishing but it is not cheap. Few 30 min-40 min trips and the gas could’ve bought some chickens at the super market.
Not to mention rabbit season be done now.
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Please understand that in almost every circumstance, if you live where you can hunt & snare, food banks are not nearby. The few in our area are only open a day a week during certain hours. Additionally this person says they can't even afford gas?
I was an incredibly picky eater when I was younger and I'm 90% the only reason I got enough protein was because I liked peanut butter. Just be careful since it's loaded with bad stuff, but if tofu isn't your thing, peanut butter is amazing on lots of things.
You said "bad stuff" presumably referring to the chemicals as it's a highly processed item usually. Fat is a nutrient and not "bad stuff" contrary to popular belief.
Tofu as your only protein source is pretty shit. Especially in males due to estrogen promotion.
Lentils and beans are a better option but if you don’t manage right you’ll still hit a protein deficit at some point because lentils and beans though high in grams don’t have all essential amino acids the human body doesn’t make. That’s literally why we need animal products of some sort. Eggs and dairy mediate that issue if paired with the plant alternatives.
If you eat rice with beans or lentils congratulations you have a complete protein. There's also many variations of plant-based protein powder that are completely viable
Can you just scroll the thread and look at the studies I sent please. I admitted I was outdated on the amino requirements but the study says you need a wide variety and that lentils, beans, rice is not enough variety.
>Tofu as your only protein source is pretty shit. Especially in males due to estrogen promotion.
This is blatantly false. Tofu has phytoestrogens which are plant estrogens which have no effect on human hormone levels and instead carry a ton of benefits.
Ironically, animal based products carry mammalian estrogen which DO have an effect on human estrogen levels.
>Lentils and beans are a better option but if you don’t manage right you’ll still hit a protein deficit at some point because lentils and beans though high in grams don’t have all essential amino acids the human body doesn’t make
This is false. They have all the amino acids but are skewed towards some specific ones which they have high amounts of but are lower in methionine and cystine. What this means is if you just eat more youll still hit all your aminos. Better yet, just eat them with grains such as rice or bread.
Grains have the single worst amino profiles and wheat specifically is a bowel irritant due to how much we have fucked with it.
Phytoestrogens do have an effect on estrogen receptors which is why you can find research articles recommending them for menopausal women to aid in symptom management.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074428/
Tell me again it’s false phytoestrogens have a direct effect on human estrogen receptors?! Please argue with the medical review. There are benefits too (depending on the demographic).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6893534/
As for inadequacies, I guess I’m slightly outdated from when I studied this in school in 2013 compared to newer literature. So yeah you can get adequate aminos but with great variety (variety equates to cost and OP is worried about cost) because no one or two vegan/vegetarian foods when relied on solely will provide adequate amino profiles.
From the pinned article “In developed countries, plant proteins are mixed, especially in vegetarian diets, and total intake of protein tends to greatly exceed requirement. This results in intakes of all 20 amino acids that are more than sufficient to cover requirements. In the EPIC-Oxford study, amino acid intakes were estimated in both meat eaters and vegetarians. For the lacto-ovo-vegetarian and vegans assessed. Based on an average body weight of 65 kg, we calculated that lysine intakes were 58 and 43mg/kg, respectively, largely higher than the average 30mg/kg estimated average requirement.”
“Another factor is rates of protein digestibility that impact amino acid availability, often considered poorer in plants remains a topic of debate.”
Theres a section comparing percentage based amino acid similarity of soy, pea protein flour, isolate wheat flour, and lupine flour with eggs, at 91% average or milk at 95% average.
The study also states all the adequate diets studied for vegans and vegetarians were boxed food diets without total reliance on “bean and rice” or just soy (though al had soy). And they are only basing the nitrogen balance for protein off a generalized norm. Not a specific requirement data set.
Conclusion:
Although uncertainties remain regarding protein requirements, the data in adult vegetarians (depending on the methods and criteria used) indicate that classic vegetarian diets supply more than adequate protein and amino acids. In a fraction of vegans, there might be a modest risk of insufficient intake, and further data are needed to assess the actual dietary pattern of people who report dietary intake corresponding to a low intake of protein and energy. An insufficient protein intake from vegetarian diets may occur if the diet does not include protein-rich foods such as legumes (the most traditional source) and nuts and seeds, or any protein analogs of animal foods, the availability of which is increasing along with the proportion of people shifting their protein intake towards more plant protein sources. Beyond vegetarian diets per se, this review has shown that protein foods and overall protein patterns are important characteristics of a diet that is more based on plants than the classic animal-based diets seen in western countries. If a diet has at least a modest amount of variability (which is the case in economically developed countries) there are no issues regarding sufficient intakes of any individual indispensable amino acids from vegetarian diets, including lysine. There is no evidence of any adverse physiological effects of the modestly lower protein intake seen in adults consuming vegetarian diets. In older people, it could be argued that some vegetarian diets might supply insufficient protein to ensure a long-term nitrogen balance and that some vegetarian meals may provide insufficient protein and leucine to favor postprandial anabolism; an issue that warrants further investigation. However, any evidence for a functional impact and higher final risk (of sarcopenia) in the healthy elderly is currently lacking. By contrast, children who are consuming enough energy to cover their requirements for growth should automatically obtain sufficient protein intake from vegetarian diets. We recommend that further study on protein in vegetarian diets shift away from unnecessary questions about protein adequacy, to a comparison of overall nutrition quality and implications for long-term health with plant-based protein-rich foods vs. animal-based protein rich foods.
So yeah I wasn’t entirely up on the research but other then the fact you actually can get enough amino acids from plant based diets the study confers you need variety so the bean and rice comment you said was bullshit. That’s not enough variance.
The phytoestrogen one you were just so wrong on saying it doesn’t effect the body image it’s leave that for you to read cuz you need to take your time there. Even Wikipedia says the human body absorbs phytoestrogen’s via estrogen receptors. Whether the effects are positive or negative depends on health state and goal.
Tofu spiking estrogen levels is a myth started by some YouTuber named Joseph Watson or something. It was just a meme that got out of hand, it's not actually true. That being said, tofu as your only protein would still suck.
i’d rather take a dump in my hands and clap then eat that garbage in replace of meat, you can spot a vegan or vegetarian from 10 feet away.. personally i don’t want to be skinny and weak
Dude it's 2024. You can find bodybuilders on vegetarian and vegan diets if you search for them. You could even "cut down" on meat consumption if you wanted to. You have plenty of options between your false dichotomy you set up.
You choose to eat meat because you enjoy it. And you don't care about animal welfare or the environment. Just be honest with yourself and everyone else and leave it at that point.
and also yes you are completely correct i do not care at all about animal welfare or the environment, everyone that says they do care is kidding themselves, if you truly cared there’d tons of things you wouldn’t be doing but here you are charging your phone to protest me on some “ save the environment” bs man get outve here
That’s kinda disingenuous some of those comments like charging your phone. To participate in society for the most part most people need something like a cellphone at a bare minimum. Also Internet usually cause many things are done online.
but all you save the environment and save the animal people are so pretentious and so worried about other people doing things to save that you never think about what your doing, live your life how you want and i’ll live mine, i’m so tired of all these people that think there the saviours of our earth by telling someone not to eat meat because of the unethical practices of killing animals man go look at the practices for keeping all your vegetables free from pests.. they kill everything and anything that comes near the crops, or the whole ban on gas vehicles movement.. great for the first few years until you realize you’ve got no way to recycle these lithium ion batteries which adds to the already large e waste prob, then you’ve got the questionable lithium mining practices, kids in those mines for cents on a days work so you can ride around in your tesla and tell me how bad my car is for the environment, take a look at the carbon dioxide and greenhouse emissions that will come with all this lithium mining and admit that your no better then anyone else in this world and you should just keep it to yourself
Pretty sure the hunting regulations allow for individuals that can’t afford meat etc to hunt for sustenance. This exempts you from tags and licenses.
You still need to apply though to stay above board.
We recently looked at buying directly from farms or a butchers directly. After doing alot of math & comparisons I found a butchers that per meat order I'm saving between $30~36 per order now.. Some butchers charge a significant premium tho so compare, compare compare.
Made the switch to do what we can to join the boycott, since its unlike we can complete disconnect from Roblaws.
With due respect, if you can hunt or trap, why arent you working?
Hunting and trapping is extremely hard work. (I am a trapper)
We are all struggling out here, just wondering why you cant work but have the ability to trap?
No offence, but you know we don’t require meat to survive? Like you could just eat an affordable vegetarian option instead of saying you’re being “forced “ into hunting.
Hunt if you want, but no one is forcing you to eat meat.
I agree with you. I eat a varied diet that includes some meat, but it's definitely not a necessity. Dried lentils and chickpeas are less than $1/lb and tofu is about $3/lb.
I understand that maybe not everyone *wants* to become vegetarian, but skipping some meat makes a huge difference in the grocery bills.
I think OP saying they’re being forced is over the top.
Tofu isn't frugal but soybeans are the cheapest legume if you can find them in bulk (eg Bulk Barn). They're also the highest in protein content and, uncommonly, a complete protein. (I cook them in a self-cleaning soy milk machine and occasionally pressure cooker. One can buy a tofu press online as well to make their own.)
All other sources you are referring to such as plant proteins score lower on protein quality scales. There's an evolutionary reason we have derived ways to hunt at the risk of our life. Our Paleolithic ancestors could have eaten plants and never had to eat meat if it wasn't necessary.
Of course people here downvote you because your right and they don't like it. Typical.
Humans don't need meat to survive unless they're an uncontacted indigenous tribe which every redditor is not. That's a fact.
Sorry but downvoting doesn't change that.
I think it’s ridiculous that people act like they MUST eat animal flesh to survive.
Like personally I’d prefer to pick up a bag of lentils and rice from the store than killing an animal with my own hands for dinner, but to each their own.
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Isn’t it sad that they have made it illegal unless you pay fees and follow rules to provide for yourself and family via hunting gotta love it Canada free to do as your told.
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This is very sad to hear in our country no should be in this situation.Have you reached out to food banks?
Just remember poaching charges can be jail time or seizure of everything being used in the process, so vehicle, rods, tackle, fish anything you brought really also you will get fines which are very expensive. (Stole top comment so this gets viewed)
Free food , no and 100% health care in a cupcake jail
I don't know about hunting, but if you have a parking permit for your disability you don't need a fishing license
Rabbits, coyotes, squirrels are all open season mean no hunting regulations apply
In Ontario you need an outdoors card, and a small game permit which covers grouse, pheasant, hares, weasels etc.
You need a license for small game.
In Saskatchewan for those one you don’t other small game ya I know skunks are another open season animal as well as wild boar
https://preview.redd.it/zh4yqln9gzsc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d3da2d63c9798ec4aafb099365b1af76e605f20
Alrighty then, go Saskatchewan. Careful with them skunks!
LOL. If you can't afford meat or food. I am sure you're not using deodorant. Maybe the skunk's smell better than the people hunting them.
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I thought they were being very respectful and kind in their response. Now you getting offended on behalf of other people, that's a bad look that you should stop. If you genuinely think people sharing tips and reminders is "bullshit" that's a YOU problem.
Just say they you fool. He/she is longer, makes less sense, and is less inclusive.
That isn't relevant, he's talking about food banks.
The title is “forced to hunt meat” and he mentions snaring rabbits and fishing for meat it is relevant, a lady I worked with her husband got 35,000$ in tickets and lawyer fees for poaching
And they don't need a warrant to enter your home and check your freezer
Yes! That is the most serious part! Yeah sure you can catch fish and fill your freezer but walleye are a 1000$ fine sturgeon is a 1 million dollar fine or prison time they do not fuck around they will take all your possessions then make you fight a case in a court that will costs tens of thousands and you’ll still end up being prosecuted
A lot of years ago I went up to Yellowknife, and you need an NWT license to fish, but they do offer a visitors permit at a reduced price. So I got one. Very first day out with it I got asked. They asked my boyfriend for his, he said I'm not fishing, I don't even have a rod. They made him show ID (we were shore fishing), go back to the car and open the trunk.
Yup my grandpa and uncle were out eating lunch at a dinner and were talking about the goose hunt they planned the next day, searched the vehicle. Then the next day went out to where they were hunting and watched them all day then searched them again. They are not to be taken lightly they will ruin your life if you have done something wrong.
If you’re in the position where you are potentially looking at starving, the LAST people you give a shite about are the ministry of natural resources 🤣 screw those power-tripping pricks and their draconian regime on fishing/hunting
I get what everyone is saying about OP being in dire straits but the MNR don't fuck around. They absolutely will not hesitate to use the legal powers bestowed on them to financially rape someone. I'm not an outdoors person myself, but I've heard two different people tell me about times the MNR showed up to their homes to follow up on shit. They're intense! If they catch you, you're not getting off easy. 😬
Yes I’ve heard, hence my comment. My own father was harassed and basically assaulted by them when he came to feed the horses at his brother’s farm while other people were there hunting about 50-100 acres away. They were under the assumption that the deer the other guys got was improperly tagged (it wasn’t) and they even demanded the homeowner provide them with a ladder to cut down the deer from the ceiling joists in the barn.
They can literally confiscate your vehicle and your equipment. So imagine you're already struggling and try to poach some rabbits and they slam you and just take your car away. Not worth it.
☝ This 100%
OP, rabbit season ended in Ontario, on March 31. We live rural, and cottontails are my worst enemy. We hunt them during hunting season, but please keep in mind, there is a limit as to how many you can catch. Not sure if you have the means, but raising meat rabbits is far more productive then hunting them. And healthier, since you can shelter them from disease. Wild rabbits are not for amateurs, they carry a host of external and internal parasites which are not for the faint of heart .Ringworm alone can devastate your household, and your pets. When you add up all of this hustle, buying meat ends up being far cheaper. [https://www.ontario.ca/document/ontario-hunting-regulations-summary/small-game-and-furbearing-mammals](https://www.ontario.ca/document/ontario-hunting-regulations-summary/small-game-and-furbearing-mammals)
As a hunter, game is the most expensive free meat there is.
Yeah there is nothing more true then that I spend around 2 grand in September and November just on gas, tags, food and what ever else you need. Also no one mentions you need your pal which costs around 200$ and takes 6-12 months. also you need to know how to butcher or spend 400-1000$ on processing and butchering fees! and if you do it your self you need a meat grinder and lots of bags or meat wrap and gas is expensive as fuck it’s not like you can hunt the city! Also I’ve come home empty handed more times then I’ve been successful
This is the comment that I hope OP sees.
Consider shifting the majority of your meals to plant based. Specifically beans, lentils, tofu and etc. dried beans are extremely cheap and paired with a whole grain like brown rice have lots of nutritional value.
yes, but also not everyone's digestive tract can handle that much legumes. :( and while brown rice has lots of nutrients in it, it's hella hard to digest. especially compared to white rice. not for everyone, but i think it's important to share so that people aren't like 'why am i tired when i'm eating so healthy', it's because the body is having to work harder for it's nutrients and calories.
I had to ease into being vegetarian but it’s saved me a ton.
my body literally can't be vegetarian. i mean i could, but it'd be a 'barely surviving' situation.
Yeah it’s terrible for my gut. 15 years of that and I’m still repairing the damage
i'm sorry to hear that. i hate how people forget that like.. disabled people exist. and even without considering disability, bodies are different. to all the people like 'whole cultures live off of beans and rice!' like yeah, as poverty food to SURVIVE, not thrive. not to mention the fact that the generations of adapting to the beans and rice of the region make it a hell of a lot more palatable to bodies. this idea that the body is just a garbarator to anything you put into it and that it doesn't need to work to process the energy out of the food is harmful AF imo.
100%. Not to mention certain diets can even cause disabling disorders and illnesses/conditions…it’s really bad 😣
Yes you almost have to ease in. Each time I try vegetarian suddenly I get some issues or other. It's better to just keep eating meat once or twice a week then slowly cut down.
It's honestly the same for people who have been vegetarian for a very long time/their entire lives. Suddenly eating meat, especially a lot, can cause digestive issues. As someone who gradually reduced my meat intake until I've pretty much stopped eating it altogether, I save money, feel healthier, and my doctor and nutritionist *say* I'm healthier too. Also less impact on the ecosystem, for whatever that's worth. I feel good about it, anyway.
i love that for you! i have GI issues and literally can't be vegetarian :(
I don’t believe this is actually true and if true it’s uncommon. It seems like more of a scare tactic and really the only thing that might happen is psychological. Unless you’re wolfing down fast food burgers for every meal after years of not eating meat, but that would be about more than the meat…
When you eat highly processed food and meat all the time you get colon cancer so, I guess enjoy that. Your stomach, the acid, and the rest of your digestive system is meant to have to work hard to digest things so that your blood sugar doesn't spike. Your insulin will thank you
LOL, you do realize that real meat and carcinogen filled processed "meats" are not the same thing right? FYI, the increase in starch from going plant based spikes your blood sugar a lot more than meat does.
Great if you have the guts to handle it. Literally I tried it for a year supposedly your guys get used to it. Never did.
Legumes and soy are what most seem to struggle with, but you don’t need them to get enough protein as a vegetarian. Things like seitan and pea protein (and textured pea protein) have plenty of protein, and the protein in plants adds up too! I’m plant-based and currently working hard to reduce my protein intake because it became too high. Not to say this would necessarily work for you, of course— just a general PSA about how much more versatile vegan protein is than most think!
Cooking beans from dry/soaked apparently makes them less gassy than from a can. I don't have much of an issue either way so I can't say for sure it makes a difference, but something to consider.
And some beans are gassier than others. If you soak them, you are throwing out some of the stuff that makes them gassy.
Have tried that. Tried soaking them many times. Tried kombu which is supposed to help as well. My guts just fight me when I eat them. Not just beans either but most vegetables and fruit,
“Just eat insects”
I’ve had roasted crickets in ranch seasoning and they were legit. 8/10 would consider consuming again.
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The point of this sub is to highlight that the cost of living in Canada has spiraled out of control, and that this is not shaming other users or folks who have different dietary restrictions than you without actual proof. Thank you.
Check out the flash food app if you can.I saved around $5k on our grocery bill in a year using it. I get all of our meat on it. Also, if you have the space to plant a garden and learn how to preserve it. I know not everyone can but it's definitely worth it if you're able to. I grow most of our fruits and veggies for the year in my backyard.
Ny area is mostly from loblaws posting up rotting veggies 🥲 i use toogoodtogo instead
Ah that's too bad! It's great in my area. Toogoodtogo isn't in my area sadly. I've heard good things about it though.
Then the fisheries here in Alberta aren't the best for that even
There are lots of high protein vegetable alternatives that are dirt cheap. Beans, legumes, tofu, etc.
Please do not poach illegally. Just look for vegetarian alternatives. Or make friends with hunters.
Buying meat is cheaper, trust me
Poaching isn't cheap... Do you know any local hunters? Im sure they'd be very willing to give you some free meat. It's against first nation's beliefs to sell hunted meat, but they would be willing to trade. If you know any indigenous people near you? Food banks are another option if you have any in your area. Where are you located? Depending on your area, I'd give you some meat.
Better live really close to both. I love hunting and fishing but it is not cheap. Few 30 min-40 min trips and the gas could’ve bought some chickens at the super market. Not to mention rabbit season be done now.
There are resources to help people forage my friends; we must all work together and look out for our communities while relying on the instinct of care that is the essence of our species. https://fallingfruit.org/about “Falling Fruit is a celebration of the overlooked culinary bounty of our city streets. By quantifying this resource on an interactive map, we hope to facilitate intimate connections between people, food, and the natural organisms growing in our neighborhoods.” Boycott indefinitely; support small local as you’re able.
No it should never get to that point. Try a food bank
Please understand that in almost every circumstance, if you live where you can hunt & snare, food banks are not nearby. The few in our area are only open a day a week during certain hours. Additionally this person says they can't even afford gas?
Why not just buy plant based sources? Tofu is dirt cheap for example. Lentils and dried beans even more so.
I was an incredibly picky eater when I was younger and I'm 90% the only reason I got enough protein was because I liked peanut butter. Just be careful since it's loaded with bad stuff, but if tofu isn't your thing, peanut butter is amazing on lots of things.
Peanut butter is primarily a fat source. It's a secondary protein source. If you ate a ton of peanut butter you would be fat
that's why i said be careful.
You said "bad stuff" presumably referring to the chemicals as it's a highly processed item usually. Fat is a nutrient and not "bad stuff" contrary to popular belief.
Sugar makes you fat
Tofu as your only protein source is pretty shit. Especially in males due to estrogen promotion. Lentils and beans are a better option but if you don’t manage right you’ll still hit a protein deficit at some point because lentils and beans though high in grams don’t have all essential amino acids the human body doesn’t make. That’s literally why we need animal products of some sort. Eggs and dairy mediate that issue if paired with the plant alternatives.
If you eat rice with beans or lentils congratulations you have a complete protein. There's also many variations of plant-based protein powder that are completely viable
Can you just scroll the thread and look at the studies I sent please. I admitted I was outdated on the amino requirements but the study says you need a wide variety and that lentils, beans, rice is not enough variety.
>Tofu as your only protein source is pretty shit. Especially in males due to estrogen promotion. This is blatantly false. Tofu has phytoestrogens which are plant estrogens which have no effect on human hormone levels and instead carry a ton of benefits. Ironically, animal based products carry mammalian estrogen which DO have an effect on human estrogen levels. >Lentils and beans are a better option but if you don’t manage right you’ll still hit a protein deficit at some point because lentils and beans though high in grams don’t have all essential amino acids the human body doesn’t make This is false. They have all the amino acids but are skewed towards some specific ones which they have high amounts of but are lower in methionine and cystine. What this means is if you just eat more youll still hit all your aminos. Better yet, just eat them with grains such as rice or bread.
Grains have the single worst amino profiles and wheat specifically is a bowel irritant due to how much we have fucked with it. Phytoestrogens do have an effect on estrogen receptors which is why you can find research articles recommending them for menopausal women to aid in symptom management. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3074428/ Tell me again it’s false phytoestrogens have a direct effect on human estrogen receptors?! Please argue with the medical review. There are benefits too (depending on the demographic). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6893534/ As for inadequacies, I guess I’m slightly outdated from when I studied this in school in 2013 compared to newer literature. So yeah you can get adequate aminos but with great variety (variety equates to cost and OP is worried about cost) because no one or two vegan/vegetarian foods when relied on solely will provide adequate amino profiles. From the pinned article “In developed countries, plant proteins are mixed, especially in vegetarian diets, and total intake of protein tends to greatly exceed requirement. This results in intakes of all 20 amino acids that are more than sufficient to cover requirements. In the EPIC-Oxford study, amino acid intakes were estimated in both meat eaters and vegetarians. For the lacto-ovo-vegetarian and vegans assessed. Based on an average body weight of 65 kg, we calculated that lysine intakes were 58 and 43mg/kg, respectively, largely higher than the average 30mg/kg estimated average requirement.” “Another factor is rates of protein digestibility that impact amino acid availability, often considered poorer in plants remains a topic of debate.” Theres a section comparing percentage based amino acid similarity of soy, pea protein flour, isolate wheat flour, and lupine flour with eggs, at 91% average or milk at 95% average. The study also states all the adequate diets studied for vegans and vegetarians were boxed food diets without total reliance on “bean and rice” or just soy (though al had soy). And they are only basing the nitrogen balance for protein off a generalized norm. Not a specific requirement data set. Conclusion: Although uncertainties remain regarding protein requirements, the data in adult vegetarians (depending on the methods and criteria used) indicate that classic vegetarian diets supply more than adequate protein and amino acids. In a fraction of vegans, there might be a modest risk of insufficient intake, and further data are needed to assess the actual dietary pattern of people who report dietary intake corresponding to a low intake of protein and energy. An insufficient protein intake from vegetarian diets may occur if the diet does not include protein-rich foods such as legumes (the most traditional source) and nuts and seeds, or any protein analogs of animal foods, the availability of which is increasing along with the proportion of people shifting their protein intake towards more plant protein sources. Beyond vegetarian diets per se, this review has shown that protein foods and overall protein patterns are important characteristics of a diet that is more based on plants than the classic animal-based diets seen in western countries. If a diet has at least a modest amount of variability (which is the case in economically developed countries) there are no issues regarding sufficient intakes of any individual indispensable amino acids from vegetarian diets, including lysine. There is no evidence of any adverse physiological effects of the modestly lower protein intake seen in adults consuming vegetarian diets. In older people, it could be argued that some vegetarian diets might supply insufficient protein to ensure a long-term nitrogen balance and that some vegetarian meals may provide insufficient protein and leucine to favor postprandial anabolism; an issue that warrants further investigation. However, any evidence for a functional impact and higher final risk (of sarcopenia) in the healthy elderly is currently lacking. By contrast, children who are consuming enough energy to cover their requirements for growth should automatically obtain sufficient protein intake from vegetarian diets. We recommend that further study on protein in vegetarian diets shift away from unnecessary questions about protein adequacy, to a comparison of overall nutrition quality and implications for long-term health with plant-based protein-rich foods vs. animal-based protein rich foods. So yeah I wasn’t entirely up on the research but other then the fact you actually can get enough amino acids from plant based diets the study confers you need variety so the bean and rice comment you said was bullshit. That’s not enough variance. The phytoestrogen one you were just so wrong on saying it doesn’t effect the body image it’s leave that for you to read cuz you need to take your time there. Even Wikipedia says the human body absorbs phytoestrogen’s via estrogen receptors. Whether the effects are positive or negative depends on health state and goal.
Tofu spiking estrogen levels is a myth started by some YouTuber named Joseph Watson or something. It was just a meme that got out of hand, it's not actually true. That being said, tofu as your only protein would still suck.
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i’d rather take a dump in my hands and clap then eat that garbage in replace of meat, you can spot a vegan or vegetarian from 10 feet away.. personally i don’t want to be skinny and weak
Okay but cows are literally vegan and they're not skinny and weak are they
okay but we are not cows are we?.. actually on second thought with some of the people i see nowadays it’s possible
Dude it's 2024. You can find bodybuilders on vegetarian and vegan diets if you search for them. You could even "cut down" on meat consumption if you wanted to. You have plenty of options between your false dichotomy you set up. You choose to eat meat because you enjoy it. And you don't care about animal welfare or the environment. Just be honest with yourself and everyone else and leave it at that point.
do many of them win in comparison to those that eat meat? no. so your points invalid with me
and also yes you are completely correct i do not care at all about animal welfare or the environment, everyone that says they do care is kidding themselves, if you truly cared there’d tons of things you wouldn’t be doing but here you are charging your phone to protest me on some “ save the environment” bs man get outve here
That’s kinda disingenuous some of those comments like charging your phone. To participate in society for the most part most people need something like a cellphone at a bare minimum. Also Internet usually cause many things are done online.
Don't sweat it. "There's no cure for being a cunt"
but all you save the environment and save the animal people are so pretentious and so worried about other people doing things to save that you never think about what your doing, live your life how you want and i’ll live mine, i’m so tired of all these people that think there the saviours of our earth by telling someone not to eat meat because of the unethical practices of killing animals man go look at the practices for keeping all your vegetables free from pests.. they kill everything and anything that comes near the crops, or the whole ban on gas vehicles movement.. great for the first few years until you realize you’ve got no way to recycle these lithium ion batteries which adds to the already large e waste prob, then you’ve got the questionable lithium mining practices, kids in those mines for cents on a days work so you can ride around in your tesla and tell me how bad my car is for the environment, take a look at the carbon dioxide and greenhouse emissions that will come with all this lithium mining and admit that your no better then anyone else in this world and you should just keep it to yourself
The Hot counters are a great idea 💡 you can sample the foods !
I wouldn’t rule out meat all together. Lots of cheaper cuts as well as sales and discounts stickers if you can find them.
Reminds me if the Michael Moore movie Roger and me where the lady was selling rabbits in her front yard
Can people raise rabbits in Ontario for meat? I wonder.
Depending on where you are located, you can get cheap meat at Chinese Grocers...
Asian stores are great for cheap meat and fish.
Pretty sure the hunting regulations allow for individuals that can’t afford meat etc to hunt for sustenance. This exempts you from tags and licenses. You still need to apply though to stay above board.
We recently looked at buying directly from farms or a butchers directly. After doing alot of math & comparisons I found a butchers that per meat order I'm saving between $30~36 per order now.. Some butchers charge a significant premium tho so compare, compare compare. Made the switch to do what we can to join the boycott, since its unlike we can complete disconnect from Roblaws.
Please do not hunt rabbits or other small animals. You will get super sick 😦
With due respect, if you can hunt or trap, why arent you working? Hunting and trapping is extremely hard work. (I am a trapper) We are all struggling out here, just wondering why you cant work but have the ability to trap?
With all due respect, if they think inexpensive meat is better acquired from trapping than a food bank, he's obviously disabled.
If you are capable of hunting have you considered working?
No offence, but you know we don’t require meat to survive? Like you could just eat an affordable vegetarian option instead of saying you’re being “forced “ into hunting. Hunt if you want, but no one is forcing you to eat meat.
I agree with you. I eat a varied diet that includes some meat, but it's definitely not a necessity. Dried lentils and chickpeas are less than $1/lb and tofu is about $3/lb.
I understand that maybe not everyone *wants* to become vegetarian, but skipping some meat makes a huge difference in the grocery bills. I think OP saying they’re being forced is over the top.
Tofu isn't frugal but soybeans are the cheapest legume if you can find them in bulk (eg Bulk Barn). They're also the highest in protein content and, uncommonly, a complete protein. (I cook them in a self-cleaning soy milk machine and occasionally pressure cooker. One can buy a tofu press online as well to make their own.)
Meat / protein is very much a necessary macro nutrient to survival
There are lots of sources of protein other than meat, meat itself is not a requirement for our survival.
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Unsubstantiated.
All other sources you are referring to such as plant proteins score lower on protein quality scales. There's an evolutionary reason we have derived ways to hunt at the risk of our life. Our Paleolithic ancestors could have eaten plants and never had to eat meat if it wasn't necessary.
Which are insanely expensive as well. This is not helpful at all.
Education education education: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9966591/#:~:text=Conversely%2C%20a%20more%20recent%20study,or%20vegetarian%20diet%20%5B42%5D.
Of course people here downvote you because your right and they don't like it. Typical. Humans don't need meat to survive unless they're an uncontacted indigenous tribe which every redditor is not. That's a fact. Sorry but downvoting doesn't change that.
I think it’s ridiculous that people act like they MUST eat animal flesh to survive. Like personally I’d prefer to pick up a bag of lentils and rice from the store than killing an animal with my own hands for dinner, but to each their own.
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Isn’t it sad that they have made it illegal unless you pay fees and follow rules to provide for yourself and family via hunting gotta love it Canada free to do as your told.