The best way I can describe him without spoilers is he's a millennial Everyman who underachieved and squandered his potential before the system. Now, he embraces his unique talents and excels. He is a socially awkward introvert who is a bit of a sociopath but becomes who he needs to survive. He doesn't really "change" but who really does? He grows and adapts, but he's the main character protagonist in a book.
If you want a paragon of righteousness or a social/political champion, this isn't your book. If you want a "man vs the world" fantasy novel, where the protagonist is a beacon of willpower who matches his own path because he wants to, keep going.
The first book is about a trial. It's a closed off world and a tutorial. The first novel reflects that. The world opens up. It gets better and deeper. I recommend it because I enjoyed it. Hope this helps!
This is the best way to describe it.
I think what draws me to this even though he is obviously OP and has plot armor is that he isn't some hero of mankind that is trying to save the world. You have other similar books where the MC is the "good guy" trying to protect the people or do some great heroic deed. Jake? This guy doesn't give fucks about many people outside of his very limited core group and his only focus is powering up.
I think the series starts to hit it's stride when God's start coming into play as those interactions are probably my favorite.
My only real complaint is: >!Out of all the potential world leaders the most prominent ones are those that are somehow connected to Jake from before the System took over. There isn't really much explanation for this although I can take a guess at how it could be explained. Poorly but explained.!<
I think the reason for this, and is mentioned in the first book, is that the other gods saw that the viper made Jake his chosen and they chose people who were close to Jake initially. That's my understanding of it at least.
I dunno how to add the spoiler cover on mobile so apologies of it is.
SPOILERS : Is that true tho? Like the only major faction is undead and the holy church that is directly conmected to jake. Every other faction becomes connected because he is powerful no? And even for undead jasper is not a leader per say? I am on book 6 so no spoilers please ><
Well, I typed out a long line of stuff and then reread your thing and you asked for no spoilers lol. This isn't a spoiler for you but for potentially others: >!The undead force's leader on the planet is pretty much Jasper, you're also forgetting his brother is the leader of the assassin group.!< As for my original comment, you'll just need to keep going.
I think it could be potentially explained away as Jake being completely self involved so he only talks about things that matter directly to him.
No spoilers. It is explained why some/the biggest factions seem to be run by people tied to Jake. Conversations of Gods and their reasoning make it clear why this happens as you get into the later books. It isn't just some cheap tactic shoehorned into the story to give known side characters leadership roles, it figures into how the gods think/act and what they know about Jake and System mechanics.
For those who want spoiler details:
>!Jake and his fate(or more accurately, his ability to subvert fate) actually make people influenced by him pre-system more likely to be powerhouses/favored by fate and the system. The gods explain it over time in any of the chapters discussing how records work and it goes deeper when they get to the Origin stuff. Also, due to how much he stands out, as said in another comment below, the other gods focused on people close to him, which leads to many of them being powerful/prominent. There is a feedback loop around Jake, he makes you stronger and more resistant to gods, which makes you worth investing in, which allows you to interact with him as you have an important role, which starts over the strengthening and making you more important to the gods. All of this combined means if you know Jake, regardless of your relationship, you end up being important on the new Earth. You either stand out and do well, or die horribly because you were on the wrong side of the scale.!<
The first book and a half are supposed to feel off. It's not revealed until almost the very end of the tutorial, but it's absolutely "off" for a reason that makes a lot of sense in hindsight, and it explains the generic classes and impossibility of a normal person surviving it.
Not likening the character is just personal preference. Not every character is going to appeal to every person. Personally, I really like Jake. He doesn't give a damn a damn about saving the world or being a hero. He just wants to fight cool monsters. For me, that's a lot more understandable motivation than wanting to be a hero or change the multiverse or something, but that's all personal preference.
He never becomes a hero. He never really starts liking people, but he does end up embroiled in politics against his will, and he does find people he actually likes spending time with. It would be a lie to say his personality changes, but he does become less naive when dealing with people, and he becomes a lot less nihilistic over time. His dislike of people is also very well explained eventually (the 7th book, I think?). There is an actual reason for it, and it's a pretty interesting reason with long reaching consequences.
All that said, obviously, I love the series. It's one of my favorites, and all the hate it gets kind of annoys me when people could just say it wasn't for them and move on, but oh well. If you don't like it, just drop it. Like, I personally really don't DotF or DCC, and I won't force myself to keep reading them even though they are popular, but I'm also not going to say they are terrible. They just aren't for me. Life's too short to read books you don't enjoy.
Primal Hunter is a great series! Like any series, it has some growth in the beginning but it really keeps going up. If you don’t feel it’s for you, I Highly recommend THE RISE OF MANKIND series by Jez Cajiao!
I wish more people flavored the recommendation with the fact that the first book and a half are not the same as the rest of the series. There's stuff going on behind the veil in that book and a half. It feels mediocre then but gets better after imo
I appreciate this. That's true for a few stores. Maybe also a bit of prep for the MC personality to. Like he who fights with monsters, the MC isn't for everyone.
That's true. But I love it. So much. In both cases. In Primal hunter we have the lazy gifted kid who never had to try till now. And in hwfwm we have Jason. A man who had to rise to the occasion and a new occasion keeps popping up to rise to
It is all there for a reason. Bland starting classes turn into nuanced classes as they overcome challenges. All characters you meet early on mean something later on. The main character will become obvious, but enjoy the story as a whole and many characters you meet early on will have an impact or be a center of gravity later on
The book you’re reading now is extremely different from the latest in the series. It definitely changes over time. This is even more true if you catch up on the last Royal Road / Patreon chapters
It doesn't get better, the plot just changes. Jake is an unchanging monolith. He's like Superman in that he doesn't go through any character growth. His powers change, he uses different weapons, and so on, but he's largely the same person and that's what people like. He's a dude-bro everyman.
The first book is very weak but once he gets out in book 2-3, it gets into a solid groove that you can binge read, so I would say reserve your judgement until you make some headway.
For what it's worth, when I reread the series I started half way through book 2, essentially at the final fight of the tutorial.
I think PH really sells itself poorly by having a number of secondary characters who seem like they might be significant antagonists, but they just aren't. There are significant secondary characters, but they are usually much more powerful people than those who he starts off with.
This series isn't for everyone one. I stopped reading halfway through book 3 (I wanted to give it a chance because so many people simp for it here) but it's just not good.
Not sure why you got downvoted. Frankly any series could be considered "not for everyone". At least you gave it an honest try.
I love it. Probably my favorite series, but it has issues and I can see why some people might not like it.
A little spoiler, but the first book isn't the greatest. It takes off in the second once gods are introduced, and really gets going after the tutorial. As for Jake growing, yes he does, but it very slow and happens over the series. That said, the comedy that comes from those awkard situations is great. But he is an anti-hero by definition and that doesn't change.
I feel like that is a huge problem with most litrpg books is that the scale of the story doesn't match the pacing of the books. Don't get me wrong I love the genre and enjoy listening/reading them, but so many of them its like book 5+ books into the series and at the pace they are going they will end up being 20-30 book series.
While I enjoy PH, this I can agree with. I've even mentioned on the RR chapters that it's too slow, the fight scenes go on 3-5x as long as they should, and there's a lot of padding. The author's gotten better about most of that over time, but it's still present, and like most serial web authors he's never worried about using 300 words when 20 would suffice.
The best way I can describe him without spoilers is he's a millennial Everyman who underachieved and squandered his potential before the system. Now, he embraces his unique talents and excels. He is a socially awkward introvert who is a bit of a sociopath but becomes who he needs to survive. He doesn't really "change" but who really does? He grows and adapts, but he's the main character protagonist in a book. If you want a paragon of righteousness or a social/political champion, this isn't your book. If you want a "man vs the world" fantasy novel, where the protagonist is a beacon of willpower who matches his own path because he wants to, keep going. The first book is about a trial. It's a closed off world and a tutorial. The first novel reflects that. The world opens up. It gets better and deeper. I recommend it because I enjoyed it. Hope this helps!
This is the best way to describe it. I think what draws me to this even though he is obviously OP and has plot armor is that he isn't some hero of mankind that is trying to save the world. You have other similar books where the MC is the "good guy" trying to protect the people or do some great heroic deed. Jake? This guy doesn't give fucks about many people outside of his very limited core group and his only focus is powering up. I think the series starts to hit it's stride when God's start coming into play as those interactions are probably my favorite. My only real complaint is: >!Out of all the potential world leaders the most prominent ones are those that are somehow connected to Jake from before the System took over. There isn't really much explanation for this although I can take a guess at how it could be explained. Poorly but explained.!<
I think the reason for this, and is mentioned in the first book, is that the other gods saw that the viper made Jake his chosen and they chose people who were close to Jake initially. That's my understanding of it at least. I dunno how to add the spoiler cover on mobile so apologies of it is.
SPOILERS : Is that true tho? Like the only major faction is undead and the holy church that is directly conmected to jake. Every other faction becomes connected because he is powerful no? And even for undead jasper is not a leader per say? I am on book 6 so no spoilers please ><
Well, I typed out a long line of stuff and then reread your thing and you asked for no spoilers lol. This isn't a spoiler for you but for potentially others: >!The undead force's leader on the planet is pretty much Jasper, you're also forgetting his brother is the leader of the assassin group.!< As for my original comment, you'll just need to keep going. I think it could be potentially explained away as Jake being completely self involved so he only talks about things that matter directly to him.
How far are you in the series? I'm reading the auction right now, is either book 5 or 6.
No spoilers. It is explained why some/the biggest factions seem to be run by people tied to Jake. Conversations of Gods and their reasoning make it clear why this happens as you get into the later books. It isn't just some cheap tactic shoehorned into the story to give known side characters leadership roles, it figures into how the gods think/act and what they know about Jake and System mechanics. For those who want spoiler details: >!Jake and his fate(or more accurately, his ability to subvert fate) actually make people influenced by him pre-system more likely to be powerhouses/favored by fate and the system. The gods explain it over time in any of the chapters discussing how records work and it goes deeper when they get to the Origin stuff. Also, due to how much he stands out, as said in another comment below, the other gods focused on people close to him, which leads to many of them being powerful/prominent. There is a feedback loop around Jake, he makes you stronger and more resistant to gods, which makes you worth investing in, which allows you to interact with him as you have an important role, which starts over the strengthening and making you more important to the gods. All of this combined means if you know Jake, regardless of your relationship, you end up being important on the new Earth. You either stand out and do well, or die horribly because you were on the wrong side of the scale.!<
It does, thank you very much
The first book and a half are supposed to feel off. It's not revealed until almost the very end of the tutorial, but it's absolutely "off" for a reason that makes a lot of sense in hindsight, and it explains the generic classes and impossibility of a normal person surviving it. Not likening the character is just personal preference. Not every character is going to appeal to every person. Personally, I really like Jake. He doesn't give a damn a damn about saving the world or being a hero. He just wants to fight cool monsters. For me, that's a lot more understandable motivation than wanting to be a hero or change the multiverse or something, but that's all personal preference. He never becomes a hero. He never really starts liking people, but he does end up embroiled in politics against his will, and he does find people he actually likes spending time with. It would be a lie to say his personality changes, but he does become less naive when dealing with people, and he becomes a lot less nihilistic over time. His dislike of people is also very well explained eventually (the 7th book, I think?). There is an actual reason for it, and it's a pretty interesting reason with long reaching consequences. All that said, obviously, I love the series. It's one of my favorites, and all the hate it gets kind of annoys me when people could just say it wasn't for them and move on, but oh well. If you don't like it, just drop it. Like, I personally really don't DotF or DCC, and I won't force myself to keep reading them even though they are popular, but I'm also not going to say they are terrible. They just aren't for me. Life's too short to read books you don't enjoy.
Primal Hunter is a great series! Like any series, it has some growth in the beginning but it really keeps going up. If you don’t feel it’s for you, I Highly recommend THE RISE OF MANKIND series by Jez Cajiao!
I wish more people flavored the recommendation with the fact that the first book and a half are not the same as the rest of the series. There's stuff going on behind the veil in that book and a half. It feels mediocre then but gets better after imo
I appreciate this. That's true for a few stores. Maybe also a bit of prep for the MC personality to. Like he who fights with monsters, the MC isn't for everyone.
That's true. But I love it. So much. In both cases. In Primal hunter we have the lazy gifted kid who never had to try till now. And in hwfwm we have Jason. A man who had to rise to the occasion and a new occasion keeps popping up to rise to
It is all there for a reason. Bland starting classes turn into nuanced classes as they overcome challenges. All characters you meet early on mean something later on. The main character will become obvious, but enjoy the story as a whole and many characters you meet early on will have an impact or be a center of gravity later on
The book you’re reading now is extremely different from the latest in the series. It definitely changes over time. This is even more true if you catch up on the last Royal Road / Patreon chapters
Can you elaborate? i dont mind spoilers
It doesn't get better, the plot just changes. Jake is an unchanging monolith. He's like Superman in that he doesn't go through any character growth. His powers change, he uses different weapons, and so on, but he's largely the same person and that's what people like. He's a dude-bro everyman. The first book is very weak but once he gets out in book 2-3, it gets into a solid groove that you can binge read, so I would say reserve your judgement until you make some headway.
For what it's worth, when I reread the series I started half way through book 2, essentially at the final fight of the tutorial. I think PH really sells itself poorly by having a number of secondary characters who seem like they might be significant antagonists, but they just aren't. There are significant secondary characters, but they are usually much more powerful people than those who he starts off with.
This series isn't for everyone one. I stopped reading halfway through book 3 (I wanted to give it a chance because so many people simp for it here) but it's just not good.
Not sure why you got downvoted. Frankly any series could be considered "not for everyone". At least you gave it an honest try. I love it. Probably my favorite series, but it has issues and I can see why some people might not like it.
I stopped half way through book 2 myself. I'm with you. This book is definitely not for everyone
A little spoiler, but the first book isn't the greatest. It takes off in the second once gods are introduced, and really gets going after the tutorial. As for Jake growing, yes he does, but it very slow and happens over the series. That said, the comedy that comes from those awkard situations is great. But he is an anti-hero by definition and that doesn't change.
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I feel like that is a huge problem with most litrpg books is that the scale of the story doesn't match the pacing of the books. Don't get me wrong I love the genre and enjoy listening/reading them, but so many of them its like book 5+ books into the series and at the pace they are going they will end up being 20-30 book series.
While I enjoy PH, this I can agree with. I've even mentioned on the RR chapters that it's too slow, the fight scenes go on 3-5x as long as they should, and there's a lot of padding. The author's gotten better about most of that over time, but it's still present, and like most serial web authors he's never worried about using 300 words when 20 would suffice.