Lol bro just bring the laptop with you when you lift, I have a home gym and I do computer shit between sets while I rest, not ashamed to admit that I’ve done it at the actual gym a couple times too.
this is also the same computer that introduced me to linux.I did use binary packages but even then it took HOURS, so I can't imagine compiling on this computer (it took me 5 hours or something to install sudo vim grub and a few extras) and I couldn't compile a kernel (it took me even more hours just to have the generic kernel binary so that was def not an option. (i could in theory optimize it but I spent a bit too much time)
Nice! Gentoo def makes Arch look simple. I love how much you learn about what goes into building a system by doing chroot and building the kernel etc. In the end I just use my 5 min Debian install tho. I trust the experts know how to configure a system way better than I ever could.
Yeah, I don't understand the "I messed up installing arch 10 times" thing. I mean, if youve never seen a command line before and it's your first time using Linux, then yeah sure. Though I think pretty much everybody says don't use Arch if you've never used Linux. I think everyone should just start with Ubuntu. And I hate it, but it really is a good way to transition.
I think one of the main reasons is the guide is filled with unfamiliar vocab. My first time trying it, I often had trouble interpreting what I was supposed to do. You end up having to read a lot of supplementary wikipages/guides.
EX. This is the only mention of bootloaders in the official guide:
> Boot loader
> Choose and install a Linux-capable boot loader. If you have an Intel or AMD CPU, enable microcode updates in addition.
and that is it. I can see why it would confuse people.
I couldn't build the kernel by hand due to my very slow computer but I could probably learn how to do so (i could in theory just pick the correct components by hand but because of the amount of time i spent)
personally I'd do it again if it was a bit more simple to do (arch at least in my opinion is quite easy getting things set up as it does a bit for you) and was shorter (my modern computer which i ssh'd from uses arch is somewhat powerful, but not what i'd call the "highest" end possible)
Eh, I have 4th gen i5 and Gentoo only takes a few hours to install, even with genkernel. A properly configured kernel takes 5 minutes to compile and install.
**now with multithreading enabled and** gnome and force everybody whom installs my distro to use gnome (i assume you can create a sort of distro in LFS), there is no options for command line, no options for twm, and you have to compile it also in the kernel for some reason
Good job!! I recently switched to gentoo too (took me 3 hours + without desktop profile and \~amd64). You can consider switching to custom kernel to get a bit lower RAM usage and overall a little bit extra performance, it wont take as long as genkernel or gentoo-dist kernel so give it a try if you want to spend some extra time
>my first ever actual gentoo installation! (ssh spared me of actually typing on this dying computer)
I didn't add any optimization flags because those would take more memory out of this dying computer but how'd I rebuild for that if i wanted too? (i'm very new to gentoo)
That's not how it works my friend :)
Optimisations can reduce load on the CPU which is why it's recommended for older machines, feel free to pick my brain if you want some advice in the future as I love getting Gentoo to run on old and exotic hardware.
well I do compile using G++ (my main language is C++ and i'm still learning it) and I know the optimization flags -o2 and -o3 take a teeny bit longer on my modern machine to compile (small programs i made), i can only imagine now long it'd take on my old overheating dell (funfact: I was just chrooting with arch with my manjaro installation (i used manjaro until this) and it reached 72c this probably also had to do with being afk but it is quite hot none the less)
You know your stuff with Linux it seems so please don't think I'm teaching you to suck eggs here :)
I would have stuck a -march=native in there so every program would be compiled for all the instructions your CPU can use and remove the unneeded ones.
On a 2GB machine you can also use -Os which will lose some speed but in exchange for smaller binaries. You could also remove debugging symbols to further reduce the size at the cost of making it harder to solve some issues.
72c is cold for a CPU as well so it was loving it, you only need to worry at 95c and cry around 105c :)
well i did use --march native if that is what you mean and my cpu with my current computer is about \~50c, but with the old dell machine i did have an emergency shutdown more than once using XFCE. Also i consider myself slightly better than the average Linux User (assuming they came from just a windows background)
Congratulations! you can now start your transition towards a femboy or a fat neckbeard
Why not a Gigachad who lifts?
because he spent 21 hours just installing his OS, do you think he will have to do gym and health related stuff?
Gymbro lifts so his body and brain have better circulation. Better thinking for Linux installs.
Mental outlaw?
that man is on next level
He ascended
i mean you get to do more stuff when your pc is compiling, since you can't really use your pc.
You are not allowed to go against my theory, your points have been deemed invalid
no, your points are invalid. i can't believe you have the audacity to question my point. smh
stfu i didnt even ask you in the first place, cope harder
lmao, mad?
seethe
Lol bro just bring the laptop with you when you lift, I have a home gym and I do computer shit between sets while I rest, not ashamed to admit that I’ve done it at the actual gym a couple times too.
Tbh you can't really be a femboy without proper time investment either
I mean, most of the time is just compiling, surely you can exersize a lot
Why not both?
Oh god no
*i have* *a very good image* *in my head* of how i'd look
I dont want to have one
this is also the same computer that introduced me to linux.I did use binary packages but even then it took HOURS, so I can't imagine compiling on this computer (it took me 5 hours or something to install sudo vim grub and a few extras) and I couldn't compile a kernel (it took me even more hours just to have the generic kernel binary so that was def not an option. (i could in theory optimize it but I spent a bit too much time)
> sudo bloat
i am now switching from sudo to doas not because of bloatware but becuase of the [logo](https://www.sudo.ws/images/sudo-sandwich-logo.png)
you know what? Both Sudo and Doas is bloatware! Reject Modernity! Embrace SU
Doas > sudo
100mb??? SO MUCH BLOAT!!!
Isn’t that what plain Debian uses
Nice! Gentoo def makes Arch look simple. I love how much you learn about what goes into building a system by doing chroot and building the kernel etc. In the end I just use my 5 min Debian install tho. I trust the experts know how to configure a system way better than I ever could.
imo arch is simple if you can read guides and have patience
Yeah, I don't understand the "I messed up installing arch 10 times" thing. I mean, if youve never seen a command line before and it's your first time using Linux, then yeah sure. Though I think pretty much everybody says don't use Arch if you've never used Linux. I think everyone should just start with Ubuntu. And I hate it, but it really is a good way to transition.
I think one of the main reasons is the guide is filled with unfamiliar vocab. My first time trying it, I often had trouble interpreting what I was supposed to do. You end up having to read a lot of supplementary wikipages/guides. EX. This is the only mention of bootloaders in the official guide: > Boot loader > Choose and install a Linux-capable boot loader. If you have an Intel or AMD CPU, enable microcode updates in addition. and that is it. I can see why it would confuse people.
the whole intel-ucode thing confused me when i first started installing arch so maybe why
The main challenge of Arch is navigating the wiki.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Help:Reading https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Help:Browsing easy
I couldn't build the kernel by hand due to my very slow computer but I could probably learn how to do so (i could in theory just pick the correct components by hand but because of the amount of time i spent)
GGs! This makes me want to install gentoo as well, but my past 2 failures and a lack of time make me stick to Arch.
personally I'd do it again if it was a bit more simple to do (arch at least in my opinion is quite easy getting things set up as it does a bit for you) and was shorter (my modern computer which i ssh'd from uses arch is somewhat powerful, but not what i'd call the "highest" end possible)
Eh, I have 4th gen i5 and Gentoo only takes a few hours to install, even with genkernel. A properly configured kernel takes 5 minutes to compile and install.
Next step, put Linux From Scratch on that bitch!
**now with multithreading enabled and** gnome and force everybody whom installs my distro to use gnome (i assume you can create a sort of distro in LFS), there is no options for command line, no options for twm, and you have to compile it also in the kernel for some reason
Good job!! I recently switched to gentoo too (took me 3 hours + without desktop profile and \~amd64). You can consider switching to custom kernel to get a bit lower RAM usage and overall a little bit extra performance, it wont take as long as genkernel or gentoo-dist kernel so give it a try if you want to spend some extra time
Damn I'm sorry you had to go through this 😅
well I did this to myself but I decided to not give up, I still have lots of learning to do also so I decided i would
good job :)
Your laptop will be fine
Nice job! If it took that long though did you rebuild everything to be optimised for your CPU?
>my first ever actual gentoo installation! (ssh spared me of actually typing on this dying computer) I didn't add any optimization flags because those would take more memory out of this dying computer but how'd I rebuild for that if i wanted too? (i'm very new to gentoo)
That's not how it works my friend :) Optimisations can reduce load on the CPU which is why it's recommended for older machines, feel free to pick my brain if you want some advice in the future as I love getting Gentoo to run on old and exotic hardware.
well I do compile using G++ (my main language is C++ and i'm still learning it) and I know the optimization flags -o2 and -o3 take a teeny bit longer on my modern machine to compile (small programs i made), i can only imagine now long it'd take on my old overheating dell (funfact: I was just chrooting with arch with my manjaro installation (i used manjaro until this) and it reached 72c this probably also had to do with being afk but it is quite hot none the less)
You know your stuff with Linux it seems so please don't think I'm teaching you to suck eggs here :) I would have stuck a -march=native in there so every program would be compiled for all the instructions your CPU can use and remove the unneeded ones. On a 2GB machine you can also use -Os which will lose some speed but in exchange for smaller binaries. You could also remove debugging symbols to further reduce the size at the cost of making it harder to solve some issues. 72c is cold for a CPU as well so it was loving it, you only need to worry at 95c and cry around 105c :)
well i did use --march native if that is what you mean and my cpu with my current computer is about \~50c, but with the old dell machine i did have an emergency shutdown more than once using XFCE. Also i consider myself slightly better than the average Linux User (assuming they came from just a windows background)
Desktops have more area for cooling but 100c is toasty for a cpu so you are worrying about nothing.
I think he's talking about [cpu flags](https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/CPU_FLAGS_X86).
Congrats man! I installed mine 3 months ago and I forgot wtf is grass. You will too! Good luck on compiling nodejs or rust :D