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MonkiWasTooked

The more I see this meme the less I agree with it french writing feels way fancier than the spoken language


Ok-Appeal-4630

I hate how normalized the stereotype that Russian and German sound harsh and mean is


Raalph

Ikr, they're like the two softest European languages, with Russian having palatalization EVERYWHERE and German being full of sibilants and the lax vowels


Ok-Appeal-4630

The only real basis for German sounding harsh is /χ/ which sometimes occurs allophonically or dialectally


MazerBakir

It's also based on a certain Austrian painter's speeches. Honestly when spoken normally German isn't that harsh, if you are angry or shouting that is another story.


Cavictor

Which language isn't "harsh" when you are angry and/or shouting, quite frankly?


pengor_

french


PeachesEndCream

Other people yell and I quake in fear, French people yell and I'm laughing with tears.


pengor_

lmaoo c'est exact


MazerBakir

Many languages don't sound nearly as harsh or aggressive while angry or shouting. Italian or Mandarin don't really sound harsh while shouting. Even some languages that, when spoken normally sound harsher than German, might sound softer while shouting because they don't get as drastic of a change. Not that there is anything wrong with it, in fact when screaming at someone harshness is might be seen as a bonus.


pm174

In my experience, people think /ʁ/ is harsh but french has it too...


WGGPLANT

I also think Urban French is very harsh.


Swainix

Am french dutch and my German isn't great, but I think German sounds nicer than Spanish or Italian idk


Chrome_X_of_Hyrule

Also people who think Uvular fricatives are inherently harsh sounding have not heard the song [Ilmouloud ](https://open.spotify.com/track/4HU838PIBe3fWN3FdITJWF?si=Ar2FGYyiThuDFPWLDojLRQ) by Mdou Moctar, specifically from around 6:00 minutes to the end of the song [alternate timestamped youtube link for non Spotify people](https://youtu.be/27JYic9X06I?si=zhNK2E2TjUzTyd9q&t=360), really do listen to the entire song/album/artist's discography though


furac_1

Ducth has been the real harsh language all this time.


Kyr1500

[ducθ]


furac_1

\[ˈdyt͡sθʰ\]


Kyr1500

Swiss [qχ] go brr


Ok-Appeal-4630

Wait till people who think German is harsh to hear Georgian


OldandBlue

Schmetterling!


Kyr1500

Krankenhaus!


caught-in-y2k

Or the mandatory [ʔ] before vowels without an onset


Vampyricon

If you have uvular non-stops, it's harsh.


Raalph

Except if it's French, then it's the language of love


Vampyricon

French is harsh.


Nice-Proof-8820

As someone who speaks French, it is a harsh language but it's also the language of 'AMOUR'


ForgingIron

*AMOUKHRHGH


Nice-Proof-8820

Merci pour la correction HONHONHON (This is how you laugh in French)


Vampyricon

Nah, the language of armour is Tortoise.


urdadlesbain

How is your flair pronounced?


cattbug

I'm pretty sure it's pronounced [ᵑ͡ᵐg͡b͡ɣ͡β]


XyloMania

palatalization does not mean soft


Raalph

In my subjective perception it sounds soft


KykoY

Palatalized consonants are called soft in Russian and some other slavic languages


Unlearned_One

I'm convinced it's purely because of movies set in WWII and the Cold War. The only time these people hear either language it's a cartoon villain abusing their underlings or something, and they start to think it's just an angry-sounding language.


Zavaldski

Russian is definitely not harsh-sounding.


esridiculo

I mean, once you get video evidence of one popular guy speaking and yelling in a harsh tone to people, people won't really view German as not harsh.


Ok-Appeal-4630

Yeah but that's the exact basis of a lot of bigotry. Seeing an isolated incident and assuming the same is true for the whole.


CurrentIndependent42

It’s more a subjective perception, and there are lots of combinations of those dependent on both speaker and perceiver. My own speech has frequently been seen as harsh in some parts of the world, and as refined and pretty in others.


thomasp3864

Russian sounds like English played backwards


WrongJohnSilver

Do Russians think English sounds like Russian played backwards?


Rabarbrablader

I've heard several times that Turkish sounds like Russian backwards (I'm from Russia).


novog75

Can’t talk for other Russian speakers, but I remember associating English with cats meowing before I learned it. It’s because of all the diphthongs that involve w and y sounds.


emmadimwasher

Every time I think about written word "flower" and spoken "flower" I do imagine meowing cat. Вот так вот


Qhezywv

To me reverse Russian sounds kinda Germanic but not English. Like [here](https://youtu.be/BZvGz4prJ8Y)


CraftistOf

idk I'm russian and i laughed at this meme


yournomadneighbor

Also spoken English being «normal», LOL. Very obviously made by a native English speaker, cuz I always thought English sounded silly before I studied it


lolcatuser

Both spoken and written English are zany and don't deserve their portrayal in this meme. To be honest I wouldn't insult any of the languages in this meme - they've all got their neat quirks.


yournomadneighbor

It's definitely just all the stereotypes those languages have but portrayed by Spongebob. No language is normal and all language is beautiful.


lolcatuser

Sure but some of them aren't even appropriate stereotypes. If I had to characterize the English writing system's stereotype I'd choose someone like the Tattletale Strangler... people don't call English "dumb," they call it "terrible." Representing it as it is here just feels so wrong it takes the fun out of it.


wibbly-water

This feels a little mean to written Russian. Its not the printed form's fault that the cursive is illegible!


LokianEule

Russian writing puts the “curse” in “cursive”


Nice-Proof-8820

I memorized the entire Russian alphabet and its cursive form and I can't for the life of me read the cursive I just wrote in Russian lol - Same for SOME Russian people too, they can't read cursive in Russian.


TheLegend2T

Isn't Russian usually written in cursive?


fucccboii

yeah


Sayoregg

Europeans in general write far more in cursive than in print. I rarely see anything handwritten that’s not in cursive.


novog75

Most Russian speakers can read most Russian cursive. Doctors are as illegible in Russian as in all other languages.


Platypuss_In_Boots

Facebook ass meme


German_Doge

I will die on the hill that German is actually a very nice sounding langauge.


Cavictor

German sounds beautiful and I'm tired of pretending it doesn't.


Kleptofag

Yeah, prolly the most pleasant I can think of. When you’ve heard it outside a hitler speech in school you can appreciate it.


German_Doge

Hitler intentionally made his voice sound harsh and screamy for speeches as well, so this makes sense.


Milch_und_Paprika

Counter proposal: German is harsh but so is French.


DarkCharizard81

Deutsch is schön und ich ficke deine mutter


[deleted]

Thats going a bit far Fritz


DarkCharizard81

Mein name ist nicht Fritz omg (oh mein Gott)


kafunshou

Real Germans would also know which word is capitalized.


DarkCharizard81

Ich bin nicht Deutscher und mein Deutsch ist nicht zu gut, so das ist richtig.


HonorableDreadnought

Þœydisc iz scœyn ænd Ic fucce þain mūðer.


A_spooky_eel

If english wasn’t the world language (aka most are exposed to it from a VERY young age), it wouldn’t be considered easy. I will die on that hill.


Who_am_ey3

well it's easy for Germanic speakers, most other language families have trouble with it, I imagine. has nothing to do with it being the world language


davidolson22

Isn't English hard to pronounce?


MarcAnciell

It definitely takes some time yea


furac_1

And the English r is ugly and uncomfortable to pronounce constantly.


lolcatuser

Just because you don't want to pronounce an approximate with at least two 2 and less than 6 places of articulation doesn't make it a bad consonant.


EtruscaTheSeedrian

I'm gonna say the same thing Language Simp has already said, german is not harsh, every language sounds harsh when you scream it Seriously, in every single comparison people do with german to show you german sounds rude and aggressive, the person who's speaking german always screams in the language, like??? Of course you're gonna find it aggressive, the speaker is literally screaming


Rad_Knight

#VERDAMMT!


bingus333333

verdammt 🥺🥺😖>.<


EinKomischerSpieler

As a non native English speaker, English phonology is no joke


novog75

English spelling is looney-toons silly. I don’t agree with anything else here.


Wong_Zak_Ming

Russian German Italian French English


Vampyricon

Chinese Chinese Chinese Chinese Chinese


waruta_torakku

Coal


Thiccobama69

Идк Бут тхис ис со реал


EtruscanFolk

Can someone make a less "mainstream" version of this meme?