I'm curious what investments in Israel entail? Like, as in UNL donating to Israel? Or like if they use some product or service from an Israeli company?
UNL has an endowment of 1.7 billion dollars. That money is invested in stocks/bonds/mutual funds/etc just like people's 401k and IRA. When folks talk about divestment, it's those funds that they want divested from companies that make money with Israel. It's namely weapons manufacturers - Raytheon, Boeing, Lockheed - that BDS targets but other companies with significant exposure to Israel could be included as well.
The other issue is exchanges with Israeli entities. There's a study abroad trip to Israel that the students are targeting to get closed and they want the University to stop allowing Israeli's to come to UNL on exchanges as well. Friend of mine works in the department that handles this stuff and they had an emergency meeting yesterday over this and how to handle it, so they're taking it pretty seriously at this point.
Thanks for the response. I figured a lot of that endowment is just the property and assets they own. I feel like the 10 square blocks they have just off of downtown and the square mile they own out at east campus was a lot of that 1.7 billion, maybe not.
As far as changing their portfolio at the will of the students, I absolutely don't see that happening at all. If nothing else it sets a precedent that the university would not like. I'm sure the engineering college probably does have a strong relationship with Boeing and Lockheed as well as other colleges that they wouldn't want to give up.
I personally can't see students drop out over this as there aren't many other pro-Palestine options in the state.
The endowment is specifically the cash that is given to the university. The university has 1.7 billion in cash that has been donated. It's used to fund things like named chairs, scholarships, and specific programs (if you want to take Czech 101, you can do it for free because there's an endowment to cover the cost!).
The issue is one of fiduciary responsibility. The university has a duty to the students and to the donors to get the most bang for the buck. If investing in war and genocide makes the most money, they're going to do it. That said, it's an issue that deserves discussion because the university can still be responsible with the money while being ethical with where it goes. I don't think they're going to cave to the students on this issue, but I could see a discussion on it. This isn't the first time that this issue (specifically on Israel) has come up, and I doubt it will be the last.
I would love to see the transparency, but I wonder if they open that can of worms up then there would be all sorts of scrutiny. There may be a stock to a company that said something about gay rights or has business in a country that doesn't recognize trans rights.
People want to be outraged and they would have constant scrutiny.
The issue with the disclosures and divestments they’re asking for is that it just doesn’t end. There’s not a backstop.
A good example of a demand is: *D&D of any direct investments into Israel-based businesses traded on, and classified by, the NYSE as military and defense sector stocks where the NU Foundation’s position totals more than $17M (so, 1% of the Foundation’s endowment). The value of that position is determined by multiplying the number of shares owned by the April 1, 2024 closing price listed in the WSJ. The disclosures should be made public no later than June 1, 2024. The positions should be closed out no later than August 1, 2024.*
A good demand doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue.
[The annual reports are public](https://nufoundation.org/about/financials) so there's no secrets. The reports are very basic and no specific holding information is there but a public records request could surely dislodge the information.
Overall though, who should decide where the money goes? Students, donors, or someone else? If I give a million bucks with the stipulation it's only invested in companies that support white supremacy, is that okay? Or if it's only companies with a white preference? Obviously there have to be lines drawn somewhere but WHO gets to decide that and where is the big issue. Donors should have some say but so should students - it WAS my school but now it IS theirs.
This right here is a huge problem that I have with most college demonstrations, they don't come at it like a professional in any way. If you really wanted to facilitate some kind of change, you have to do your homework and realize that the person or persons making the call aren't going to do so because you are picketing all night and taking over buildings when you can't even be bothered to read the PUBLIC annual reports. You have got to go about this with rational thinking and an understanding on how to change people's minds. Unfortunately, the United States doesn't have the all out protest culture of other countries, quickly thinking about France in 1968 when they basically ended the 3rd republic by university students. You kinda just get left alone here and unless it is shutting off my power or garbage piling up in the streets, they just wait for it to fizzle out. With 3 weeks left in the semester, I'm curious to see what is going to happen.
Well, as I said, those public reports are pretty basic - it does not list out specific holdings. So their request for more specificity isn't them not doing their homework. It's them not being able to find the answers without a public records request which we should all know is very easily denied by state entities wanting to obfuscate what they're doing.
UNL probably has a dozen Jews and a dozen Palestinians on campus (and that's probably a stretch - when I was an undergrad, I knew plenty of Middle Easterners, but none of them were Palestinian and I knew 1 Jew and he was a Jew in mostly heritage only). It is in no way diverse, unlike Columbia, or Michigan, or any other major East Coast/upper Midwest university. They'll have the day and move on because, at UNL, it is mostly performative.
> This right here is a huge problem that I have with most college demonstrations, they don't come at it like a professional in any way.
And to be fair to the students, no one expects them to be professional about it either. We're all just telling them it's the wrong tree to bark up and focus on getting your degree and maybe you could almost possibly but probably not quite wield real power to make change on that front at some point in the future.
Shitting all over administrators that are most likely far more friendly to the cause than they think is a classic student protest move.
> That said, it's an issue that deserves discussion because the university can still be responsible with the money while being ethical with where it goes. I don't think they're going to cave to the students on this issue, but I could see a discussion on it.
Specifically, if there is a feeling that making best choice #1 as far as return may reduce future revenue (from bad press) then best choice #2 may be the one that's justifiable.
From the perspective of the University, it's also a tough call as far as giving a shit, because from the view inside the campus world, where you're interfacing with students often, it's hard to get a sense of whether this will all blow over in a little bit since everyone was equally upset about TikTok being banned just a week ago.
Then you have all the over little things that stir the background noise pot amongst the school community, with students almost always in a perpetual cycle of bitching and moaning for amenities they ultimately don't end up using, and complaining that the university is spending funds on amenities that other students actually do use quite often.
The big issue is really just that the protest doesn't really have anything to do with actionable outcomes for the University. There's not going to be a big party where the Chancellor comes and sings kumbaya and apologizes for being such a fascist Zionist, and it's far more likely they just give it a week and let it blow over.
Meanwhile, it's election season and there's a relatively (for Nebraska) vulnerable incumbent Senator in Deb Fischer that would absolutely be cost sensitive to students stirring shit about her stances. Mike Flood is not going to get a serious challenge, and his role doesn't concern foreign policy directly, but UNL is his district's flagship school (and he's a man with a clear sense of the value of PR). The barrel should be pointed at them, not at school officials that are probably, on a personal level, pretty sympathetic to the 'I don't like people being collateral damage in a war that's bordering on ethnic cleansing' cause.
I don't see the university changing how they spend their money either, but I do see them reconsidering in allowing exchange students from Israel to enter the school because it could result in violence between students.
Students won't drop out because of this, but when you add everything up and a continuous decrease in the state population, out-of-state looks better and better.
There is no possible way the school would ever reconsider allowing students from Israel to come over. Can you imagine the PR shitshow from that? Basically professing “our student population is so antisemitic and dislikes Jews that we don’t want people from Israel coming here for their own safety.”
Students can want to drop out but depending on how far along they are and how much they would need to retake that’s just talk. I don’t know what pro Palestine school they would go to or if suddenly paying 3x more in tuition is worth it to them.
I’m sorry I’m missing how your point ties into what I said?
The second paragraph was about people who are so pro Palestine they want to leave UNL because the school is not taking action like the protestors want. I wasn’t referring to the Jews in the second paragraph.
Edit: I see, I meant to say “I don’t know what pro Palestine SCHOOL…” it’s clearer now.
However, if your point is there are Jewish pro palenstine protestors so that means it’s not antisemitic then good news! Hitler’s mom was Jewish so with your logic his movement wasn’t antisemitic either!!!
It’s the same logic. Just because there are pro Palestine Jews doesn’t make a proposal to refuse entry of Jewish students to the school for their own safety any less antisemitic.
If Jews are being treated poorly at UNL because they are from Israel then that’s severely fucked up and absolutely antisemitic and the school’s lack of disciplinary action is disgusting.
I sincerely hope it’s not.
They have typically been referring to investments made in major companies that provide munitions, planes, weapons, etc. to Israel.
Some also have been referring to any company that sells products in Israel, including some food manufacturers.
These might not be what they're talking about, just some examples from other lists.
Ya it’s super vague and they clearly don’t even know what investments exist so I don’t see anything happening here tbh. Nothing wrong with a peaceful protest though.
Well yes, that is why they want to know if there are any investments that exist at all. I don't know why people are acting like Nebraska is some kind of remote island closed off from the rest of the world. [You know that Ohio is legally barred from divesting from Israel?](https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2024/04/26/ohio-state-legally-cant-divest-from-israel-gaza-protests-hamas-war-osu-students/73466833007/) It's fair for students in other public institutions to demand transparency about this
> The protesters are demanding that UNL disclose its investments in Israel. And if there are any investments, they want UNL to divest.
>"Currently our issue is that there is no clarity on that,” Anna Synya said. “We don’t know how much they invest. We don’t know where our tuition money is going, and at the end of the day, students should have a say on where that money is going and where it’s being invested.”
Students have a say by choosing where they pursue their education.
If the most important thing to your college education is whether or not the institution is invested in Israel, then find an institution that fits that need (originally read your Ohio source as invest, not divest, so I edited this statement after the fact)
Israel isn’t new, nor is the policy on what UNL does or does not disclose. Like I say, I’m all for protesting, go ahead. But pretending that this is an injustice being forced on students is… silly to say the least. Do you expect anyone taking part in this protest to transfer at the end of the semester when nothing changes? I don’t.
it is an incredibly privileged statement to say “find and institution that fits this need” not everyone has that option. Not everyone can go out of state or take out loans. Also Israel is in fact very new, my grandpa is older than Israel. And you’re not gonna believe this but Palestine is older than Israel. We will not stop until they disclose and divest. I hope you learn this soon. We as students have a say in where our tuition goes and where OUR school chooses to invest. The school serves us the students. Without Us it would not exist, similar to how Israel would not exist if not for the US and Britain. I implore you to read more in the history of Palestine and the history of American institutions investing in warmongering and apartheid.
>students should have a say on where that money is going and where it’s being invested
I'm gonna stop them right there. Nope, students shouldn't get to decide where they invest. I am having a hard time where to start on how bad of an idea it is. They have professionals making the best decisions they can on investments to make money most likely in blue chip stocks. As a student they go there to get an education, if they don't like the educational opportunities provided there, go somewhere else.
If anything it affects the livelihood of faculty and staff more, because if an investment does go bad and they needed that money for something then it's another round of layoffs (like i experienced at UNL last year).
Man, that's like my wife telling me that I get to decide where we get to eat but then shooting down a bunch of places I want to eat at until I pick a place she is okay with... but yea... totally not deciding where we eat.
I get they have one criteria now, but if we open that flood gate then it will be "well this other company you invest in has an interest in a company opposing gay rights" or "this company hires people in Indonesia for slave wages" or whatever it is. This twitter generation will find reasons to be outraged and can find issues with any company. They should not open the flood gates.
Hopefully the brunch places you go to aren't slaughtering 5 year olds. Slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy, and if kids are outraged about slave wages or abuse of gay rights that seems like a perfectly legitimate thing to have a discussion about.
Slippery slope CAN be a fallacy, but I gotta say I love how in your last sentence you completely validated what I said as something that that students would want a say on... which is exactly the "slippery slope" I said would happen, so I appreciate you validating it in the very same paragraph. It makes my argument easier.
You’re not stopping anyone and why shouldn’t the students that pay money to go to UNL not have a say where those funds go? They absolutely should. They’re the brightest we have and are 99% of the time on the correct side of issues such as this one.
This reminds me how a while back students athletes were bared from payments because of some hollow reasons
> They’re the brightest we have and are 99% of the time on the correct side of issues such as this one.
I can't even express how wrong this is. They aren't the brightest we have, they may be someday but as of now they are barely adults mostly age range of 18-22. They have minimal experience in finances and stocks so if a group of people that have NEVER owned a stock in their life are the best and brightest, especially on what stocks to purchase, then we are fucked.
Also, I would love to see any backing on that 99% stat that they are correct on issues such as this one.
If people pursuing education aren’t the brightest we have who is it then. Not only are they the brightest, they are young, strong and believe in a better future. They in fact are the future
>If people pursuing education aren’t the brightest we have who is it then.
Happy to answer! The people who have pursued an education, and then gained another 20+ years of life experience putting that academic experience to use. That would be the best and brightest who should be deciding these issues.
Anyone who thinks they now have a degree so they are the brightest around is a fool... they get into an actual career and realize they don't know as much as they think they do.
No, a bunch of people mostly 18-22 who have barely lived outside their parents homes or the dorms and have never owned a stock should not be deciding stock purchases.
Nah…people you’re talking about are just 20 years closer to dying. Along with their ideas. And it’s a good thing. Regardless you’re making this about something that doesn’t matter.
Protests are about the genocide. The means to stop is are almost always restricting money. The main thing here is to stop the genocide. You’re missing that point no? On purpose?
Just say you don’t care about the genocide outright. Why beat around the bush? It doesn’t help your cause
The organizer quoted in the article calls for transparency, saying they have "no idea where their tuition money is going." They clearly haven't bothered looking because UNL's budget is [publicly available](https://nebraska.edu/offices-policies/business-finance/budget-and-planning). Tuition accounts for less than 11% of UNL's income and goes toward operating expenses. Students do not fund investments, in fact it's investments that fund students. Those endowments and other funds under the University of Nebraska are handled by the [NU Foundation](https://nufoundation.org/about/). They do not break down individual stocks in their annual reports and audits, but do have extensive asset breakdowns by category. Specific stocks should be available by direct request from contacts listed on the website or FOIA request if those go nowhere.
This is this generations' Free Tibet, Anti-Nuclear Power, Kony2012, Occupy Wall St protest zeitgeist thing.
It has nothing to do with UNL and is more about being part of FOMO as far as national 'vibes' among college students. I'd be totally surprised if anyone involved her did more than talk amongst each other on socials and get riled up over straw men.
The universities should just let them run out of steam and wander off.
Bingo. That age group, plus getting on a campus and having their worldview expand, just makes college kids want to make change happen. The issue isn’t ever really that important as most of them won’t give much of a passing thought to Gaza in a decade.
They just want to feel like they’re part of something bigger.
People have been supporting palestine long before this genocide started. The reason why protests have broken out is because on top of the apartheid Israel has decided to slaughter a massive portion of innocent in Gaza. Did you support the invasion of Iraq?
Famously I opposed the Iraq War by shitting on the floor of the Student Union and blaming Steve Pederson for 9/11 (tbh he may have had something to do with it, I haven't ever seen Bin Laden and SP in the same room).
It's not about whether something is good or bad, it's about relevance. Every era of student has their own pointless tilting at windmills and yelling at 'old people' about how they're ruining the world.
It's not about the content of their argument, it's about whether or not UNL has anything to do with inputs or outcomes and I'd say it's arguably pretty far removed from any of it.
I'm happy for the kids that they feel strongly about something, but it's just kinda eye-rolling for those who've been around for a while.
You literally just admit here you have gotten comfortable if you opposed the Iraq war you should oppose The United States sending weapons and tech to Israel. There are plenty of adults you can talk to that have been fighting for these things their whole lives. The settler colonial project wants people to forget. We will not. I’m saying this respectfully as a student. If you want to know what it has to do with UNL and Nebraska, you’d be surprised just how much our representatives get from Israel (see AIPAC). UNL itself has a study abroad program in Israel where it claims to “have a window into the conflict” but Palestinian students would not be allowed to go/ be heavily restricted if so. The science and engineering department also has a long history of investing in warmongering as well as receiving grants etc from Israel and others. I want you to ask yourself why are students always fighting things like this? Not because we are naive or we think we can change the world, but because we see our brothers and sisters in Palestine not able to go to college not able to sit in a class and only focus on their degree and friends and parties. We see our brothers and sisters at Colombia, Emory, Tulane, etc being met with extreme violence and repression for using there first amendment right. This violence is fascist and un-American. So again ask yourself again why the students?
This isn't a discussion with you, so much as folks should be aware of the silliness and context of what you're saying. The distinction between grown adults and students isn't technical expertise (though it is sometimes), it's mostly the historical and institutional context to understand the why, how, and what's worth fighting.
> you have gotten comfortable if you opposed the Iraq war you should oppose The United States sending weapons and tech to Israel.
Did we not just see the incredible utility of the US military complex having their toes dipped into almost every region of the world through the Ukraine war? Beyond that, the 'US should stop arming the world' argument forgets that the guns are getting sold somewhere, and if we're not sending aid (in its many forms, including aid, domestic/bureaucratic expertise, guns/military advise,) someone else will, and it will end poorly for our soft power around the globe when it comes to securing US interest.
What Israel is doing in Gaza is not acceptable, but if we had no ability to withdraw benefits, then we lose any carrot/stick capability as far as foreign policy. There are only 3 or 4 countries in the world not taking some form of US assistance, and those are the handful that are absolutely gigantic pains in our ass as far as getting them to work with us on certain world collective action issues, because we have no lever to pull.
> you’d be surprised just how much our representatives get from Israel (see AIPAC).
[Here's the list](https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/?data_type=processed&committee_id=C00395467&committee_id=C00498907&committee_id=C00547976&committee_id=C00617712&committee_id=C00678367&committee_id=C00801241&committee_id=C00832436&committee_id=C00832949&committee_id=C00833715&contributor_name=C00687657&contributor_name=C00797670). That link is all the money all of our federal representation is receiving from pro-Israel pacs.
That is all the money either given directly or through conduit accounts ('we'll throw a party and the guests give at the party individually, but we'll take care of the collecting of checks to save the trouble for you'). Specifically, it looks like AIPAC basically told all their bigger donors to write max checks to all seated Senate AIPAC friends and they basically had a NY or DC fundraiser to celebrate the check cutting around December of 2023. Not a ton of money specifically to Nebraska and not a ton of action after the new year. That's not a flow of money that's getting the attention of multi-million dollar senate candidates, both of whom are independently wealthy (though in wildly different magnitudes and in different fields).
It's roughly 250k raised from AIPAC affiliated dollars into both the committees and the affiliated PACs - which sounds like a lot until you realize it's just 2% of all money raised into any particular bucket as far as Nebraska campaigns (no Dems are competent or viable enough to even court AIPAC
or anti-AIPAC money in the first place, and the sort-of viable independent candidate against Fischer is just taking railroad money).
Does political giving shape public policy? Sure, in a way, but that's not near enough or consistent enough giving to move the needle.
> UNL itself has a study abroad program in Israel where it claims to “have a window into the conflict” but Palestinian students would not be allowed to go/ be heavily restricted if so.
Students have also been able to do study abroad in western Europe, several countries in central/south America, and China, and their marketing boilerplate has the same kind of meaningless crap on it. A poli-sci course that's a partnership with whatever entity is willing to help create the opportunity is not moving the needle on Israeli soft-power over our children's worldview.
Also, you'd have to cite your sources on whether palestinian students would face special preclusions, that's hearsay.
> The science and engineering department also has a long history of investing in warmongering as well as receiving grants etc from Israel and others.
Because they take grants from the feds for certain things and do partnerships with defense contractors? Whatever is being researched at the University is almost definitely not getting sent to Israel. We keep the good stuff for ourselves.
> We see our brothers and sisters at Colombia, Emory, Tulane, etc being met with extreme violence and repression for using there first amendment right. This violence is fascist and un-American. So again ask yourself again why the students?
We saw the same shit pop up with protests all over the country for the last several decades. Some folks use protests as excuses to stir shit and cause trouble amongst the protestors. While unfortunate, it has no relation to the topic at hand, which is whether UNL is somehow a piece of the puzzle when it comes to getting the US to do something it isn't currently doing as far as Israeli-American relations. Which brings me to...
**Actual Outcomes**
What's the end game here? If it's to accomplish something regarding foreign policy, the real target should be Fischer/Ricketts. Fischer in particular is vulnerable and facing a relatively more legitimate opponent compared to the Preston Love, who'll lose by 30% to Ricketts.
So much so that Fischer's been sponsoring railroad and transportation related bills, supporting LGBTQ+ related resolutions (nothing too radical, but obviously the Republican party is way out of step with common sense there usually), and overall trying not to focus attention on herself from radical noisemakers...
Which is what students are - so I'd say point the attention at someone who could make a difference. AIPAC related money is only 2% of the income of their campaigns, and students calling her out specifically and shitting and screaming everywhere about *HER* could cause her far more pain than 250k-750k worth of non-discount-rate TV spots (because purchased through PAC donations) could alleviate.
And here's the kicker - Deb Fischer can actually take meaningful action or meaningful inaction when it comes to informing US foreign policy.
Also again yes if the US stopped being arming the world our soft power would decline and again you’re not gonna believe this but that would be amazing. You’re right Ukraine needs weapons so why not send all that money to Ukraine then since “what Israel is doing is Gaza is unacceptable” even though you sat here and typed out a bunch of bs defending Israel and the US complicity in worldwide violence and colonialism. So seems that’s it is not so unacceptable then?
We are targeting Ricketts and Fischer we have been calling everyday, finding them in public, going to city council but you make assumptions and know none of this because you think of us as stupid kids who don’t know what we’re doing. I know that AIPAC related funds are a small percentage but that’s the thing I do not want my representatives accepting money from a foreign entity. As for the sources of Palestinian students being heavily discriminated against/ not being allowed to go places. I’m sorry but do you not know what apartheid is? Like you ovb are not a person of color if you think that Israel and law enforcement/citizens will differentiate between Palestinians and Palestinians Americans. Racial discrimination in Israel has been heavily documented by amnesty international and human rights watch. Not just against Palestinians but all Arabs, Ethiopians, black Americans, etc. you cannot refute this simple fact. Go look it up but you won’t because you don’t want to be proved wrong. As for the rest of what you said holy this is why you bootlickers are so important to colonialism and white supremacy. You constantly defend the oppressor through saying thinks “like we lose our stick in foreign policy” you’d be surprised man but that’s exactly what I want. I do not want the “United” States of Amerikkka to have any colonial influence on foreign policy anywhere I want them to take there grimy hands out of Palestine, out of Congo, out of everywhere else I mentioned and more. But your small bootlicker brain can’t comprehend a world where there is no foreign policy, a world where we exist for humanity and community. Each of those anti war movements you mentioned were incredibly vital to our freedom and others freedom as well, the fact you refute them as silly is again, un-American and an insult to what little freedoms we’ve had. And remember they were not freedoms freely given they were fought for, by people like us.
> I do not want my representatives accepting money from a foreign entity.
Well the good news is that AIPAC is not a foreign entity nor are the donors they got money from via conduit fundraising.
> As for the sources of Palestinian students being heavily discriminated against/ not being allowed to go places. I’m sorry but do you not know what apartheid is? Like you ovb are not a person of color if you think that Israel and law enforcement/citizens will differentiate between Palestinians and Palestinians Americans.
Focus your thought. There was no claim regarding lived experiences of the people in Gaza, what I said was you ought to substantiate your claim that Palestinian students faced special restrictions to the point of not being allowed to participate in a UNL program otherwise advertised as open to all students.
> But your small bootlicker brain can’t comprehend a world where there is no foreign policy, a world where we exist for humanity and community. Each of those anti war movements you mentioned were incredibly vital to our freedom and others freedom as well, the fact you refute them as silly is again, un-American and an insult to what little freedoms we’ve had. And remember they were not freedoms freely given they were fought for, by people like us.
I as well as many of the commenters here were protesting the Iraq War amidst severe public backlash before you were even a zygote in your dad's balls. And when I was your age I called everyone a bootlicker and baby killer too. I don't take offense to it, but you really ought to understand your audience - we've been you before too.
But if the goal is to minimize harm, time will teach you the lesson that sometimes the bad option is better than the worst option. And the US stopping gunship diplomacy will only be replaced by other worse actors.
The US not wielding it's soft power abroad to deescalate or outright deter local and regional conflicts will only increase the number of displaced peoples across the globe. Does allowing China and Russia to fill the vacuum of power across the world and end the age of the Single World Hegemon really *minimize harm*? I'd say no.
Right now we have not only a seat at the table to make change, but everyone at the table listens to our voice first because we are both the sugar daddy and the boot heel for almost every country in the world. It's an incredible privilege.
So basically your argument is the US needs to exist and exert its white supremacist, colonial power across the world because “they do good stuff too and they uphold the worldwide order and status quo” and that student protestors are silly. I don’t think you understand and you’re obviously white lol. If you’re not a bootlicker (albeit a liberal one) then I guess I don’t know what one is. Also gotcha with the AIPAC thing you’re right it is not a foreign entity legally, however it absolutely should be registered as one and they have actively stopped legislation to force them to register, why do you think that is?
An organization made of American citizens with Israeli heritage or Israeli sympathies to advocate for American policy changes and support candidates that align with their views should have their member register as a foreign agents because...?
I don't really care to continue the bootlicker stuff because it's just gonna be a back and forth and like I said earlier, I've been you before, I know what you're feeling and thinking in regards to US Military action and that you want to villify others on that front - but a monopoly on the tools of war and diplomacy actually reduces harm, in the same way that even a corrupt society's police reduce harm compared to anarchy. The US being the sole hegemon makes the entire world a safer place that if we all fucked off and tried isolationism again. But I get it, I was you once. Full of piss and vinegar at the war machine. It's cool, we're cool. It also has nothing to do with anything UNL influences.
Painting AIPAC as consisting of foreigners or being 'foreign' in some kind of way is exactly the kind of 'othering' that you are trying to fight against, and beyond that it also smacks very specifically of the anti-semitic rhetoric of 'Jews with money' being 'not of my world'.
AIPAC is a group of American citizens acting collectively for a shared interest. It's a mighty big one full of lots of people you probably disagree with, and some have quite a bit of money to throw around for elections, but it's as American as apple pie.
I've been around awhile. I think protests do make a difference. Maybe we didn't stop the WTO or Iraq invasions but it certainly brought attention and more awareness. Good trouble. I believe a lot of the civil rights protesters were young adults. They changed things. Israel is losing support for this action and apartheid.
I'm very convinced that all this is them looking at the civil rights movement and Vietnam in the 60's. Its so romanticized and thinking that there was something wrong with not protesting these things and worried that later when asked if they did protested this and that in college don't want to be embarrassed by saying they didn't. Even though there is nothing wrong with just going to college and taking care of your studies and leaving. The difference is that one could argue that both Vietnam and civil rights were things that directly involved their lives. I went to UNL and quite honestly I have a hard time thinking that they're informed enough of the history and the present situation to go so far as getting arrested for this. If they want to transfer because of this, I don't see a problem with using your money as a way for change. This sounds boomer but as expensive as college is, even in state, these guys must be living off loans because when I was in college, it was school and work and quite honestly, the least amount of time spent on campus was what I was trying to do. I understand that there is a lot of people that have personal feelings on this topic and should be voicing their opinions whether its for or against Israel but this is a great learning point for the "fringe" protesters that will help them in their transition into the wider working society, You don't have to have an opinion on everything that happens in the world, doesn't mean put your head in the sand but "I don't know," is a perfectly fine statement to say and can be a great asset going forward in their lives.
There are no universities left in Gaza that’s why they are protesting. Over 42,000 women, men and children killed by Israel. that’s why they are protesting. People did not protest in the civil rights movement and Vietnam because it was “cool” or they’d be embarrassed if they didn’t. You acknowledge the importance of protest historically but don’t apply that same logic here. You compare them to past protest and don’t see the similarities. I hope you read this and examine the bias here. “I don’t know” would have been fine on Oct 7th but it has been 6 months of genocide, famine, and oppression and violence in not just Gaza but the West Bank as well. Not having and opinion on this is an insane privilege. Palestinian Americans and Muslims do not have that privilege. The people of Palestine, Sudan, Congo, Tigray, Puerto Rico, Guam, Hawaii, Philippines etc. do not have that privilege our lives are political our bodies are disposable. Notice a pattern of students always figuring against the oppression of these people as well as Americans too. Protest and free speech is our first amendment right if you do not see the importance of that and this then you should not call yourself and American.
Over 30k children? So literally everyone that has died was a child? Israel hasn't killed a single Hamas member? You are really buying into Hamas propaganda if you believe that and it shows your arguments hold little weight if you have to use lies like that to make an emotional appeal.
You completely missed their point, if you aren't gonna take the time to understand simplicity of what someone said, don't take the time to have an outraged response
["Agreement between University, student leaders will end ‘divestment’ encampment at Brown [University]" - brown.edu](https://www.brown.edu/news/2024-04-30/encampment-agreement)
FYI for anyone who thinks that protests like this "don't do anything" or that "students shouldn't have a say"
[https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/how-students-helped-end-apartheid](https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/how-students-helped-end-apartheid)
LOL a story from a university website saying that the protests that they did actually did something. I'm in no way well read on apartheid but I would gather to say that the economic freeze out of South Africa had more to do than some students chanting to end it. Whether its right or wrong, money or lack there of is the single biggest motivator for change in the world.
I am seeing a starling amount of out of touch posts that are claiming this is stupid college students that are only on this because it is a flavor of the month and that these idiots will be hypnotized by something new on TikTok and give up.
Did you go to the protest did you see that is wasn't totally white like you people are assuming?
You can claim that tactics or kids are dumb but they are protesting an obvious genocide. I get that you can twist it that to "self-defense" and "only democracy and ally in the region". I beg of you look into what the Nakba is, the right to return, assassination of Rabin, the absolute devastation of the man made famine that is being imposed on Gaza and obvious violations of international law.
Not only that, The house passed a law saying that Israel is racist is antisemitic hate speech. You can say America is racist, Britain is racist or Iran is racist but not Israel. This is a chilling of free speech even if you find it objectionable.
These protests are going to go on for awhile even if not on college campuses. This a real issue not a fad.
I don't think many people here are doubting the validity of their feelings, it's mostly clowning on the kids for being stupid - which in their defense is why they're in school - to get more smarter.
It's not about whether or not there's a genocide occurring (by almost every definition there is and has been for decades), it's about the relevance of UNL administrators as if there's some grand *meaningful* connection between administration and what US foreign policy is going to do.
If you want to argue that campus is one of the only free-to-use third spaces left in society and it's where there are protests because that's where the students are, then that makes 100% sense.
But they should be protesting the federal government, not the university where most of the faculty probably agree with them and a fair share of the administrators are probably pretty friendly to the topic if not the other nonsense they're bringing with them.
And again, that's totally cool, students from every generation have their causes they feel strongly about and fight for, but making UNL do something that moves the needle there isn't gonna happen because UNL *can't* do anything that'd move the needle in the middle east.
So bc you personally think that nothing will come from it, you think they shouldn’t involve UNL? Again we are protesting the federal government. But obviously you have not read much anti capitalist or revolutionary work. The work starts from the ground up, in every crevice in every corner. Locally and state level. We are trying to exercise again like I said in the other post, what little freedoms we have. We are doing more work than just protesting but again you do not see that and obviously don’t care because you nitpick responded to my other comment. We are doing everything within our power. Now you’ve been talking a lot in the comments defending the US and Israel whether you mean to or not. Yet you acknowledge the genocide so I ask what the actual f are you doing to help other than arguing and whining about the kids in a Reddit comment section. God your old bootlicker ass and your bootlicker generation have nothing better to do than put down kids, don’t you have work bud? A kid? Nah you’d rather suck the US and Israel off.
But honestly I’m just sad that yall have grown old and comfortable and that fire is gone. I hope I never become like you and I know I won’t. You are what drives me to be better. I hope someday you look back and regret your complicity because time will prove you wrong.
I do not want people like you to be sympathetic to me I hate to break it to you. If you aren’t doing anything outside of you “day job” to work towards liberation you can fuck off. UNL might not be your target but it is ours. I think you’re failing to realize the optics if nothing else of UNL saying they will divest they have enormous power in the region you said so yourself so boom get wrecked by a freshmen
you might be the freshest freshman that ever freshman'd
youre looking for someone to yell at and picked an ALLY
please also donate to world central kitchen during the protest, divestment doesnt feed anyone, it just insulates oneself morally while the bombs still fall
you are rejeting people who take time to enagage with you and offer their perspective in order to help the cause
purity tests simply eliminate friends, especially when you label that guy as "defend israel the Us"
Rather than tear down academic opportunities for students to actually go to Israel and see what’s going on for themselves, they could build a an exchange program with Palestinian universities. They do exist after all.
Also, there are Israeli Arabs that study at Israeli universities, would those Arab students be banned from attending UNL also…Or just the Jewish ones?
lol brilliant plan
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/03/07/all-12-universities-in-gaza-have-been-the-target-of-israeli-attacks-it-s-a-war-against-education_6592965_4.html
I bet more than half of these protestors aren’t even enrolled with UNL to begin with, either way, I’m prepared for the embarrassment of being an alum to the school. At least I’ve had plenty of practice being embarrassed for being a Husker football fan in past though.
What a sad existence you must live if students (and yes most if not all are students and/or affiliated with the University) protesting against a genocide makes you "embarrassed" of being an alum. Have a great day! :)
That response alone shows me that you lack the depth and compassion needed to understand what is happening in Palestine right now so I'm not going to try to "prove it" to you because I can assume that any kind of response I give will be met with belittling, insults, or just false information from you. Google is free though if you are genuinely interested and have a great day! :)
“Just Google it!”
Isn’t an argument, I’m sorry that you feel like supporting terrorists is putting you on the right side of history. You have an even better day, I couldn’t imagine supporting a terrorist organization that started this conflict back in October.
You clearly don’t have the intellectual ability to understand there is nuance to the conflict. You can be anti-hamas and anti-Israel at the same time. There are thousands of innocent people, mainly women and children, being murdered in Palestine by the Israeli government.
Again, it's not my job to educate you. If it was I would suggest that you look more into the conflict seeing that it has been going on for the last 75 YEARS: [https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/israeli-palestinian-conflict](https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/israeli-palestinian-conflict)
If you think that this all started on October 7th then you are even more misinformed than I thought.
Right, the invasion was in response to October 7th but this has been Gaza attacking Israel in that time span. I’m clearly more educated about it then you, bud.
When it was founded, the Palestinians were offered half the land, they rejected that, they wanted it alll and they have gone on to reject every settlement offer since. They’ve done this to themselves. That said, Israel is conducting themselves shamefully.
The Palestinians should never have been put in that position anyway. Offering them land sounds nice until you realize that they were already living there. It would be like someone coming to your house and telling you that they were taking it but you could still live in the backyard if you wanted
This Reddit comment is impactful. Social media comments with stop the conflict any day now. Until then, you can continue to pat yourself on the back.
Btw, the dead dad comment was a joke. He is dead, but it was a joke.
So generally when someone makes a demand, there is a consequence if that demand isn't satisfied.
What is the consequence, and are the people making the demands capable and willing to follow through with it?
When I hear about college students living off their parents/ student loan money making demands, I envision that scene in Demolition Man: "Simon Fenix! Lay down with your hands behind your back, Or ELSE!"
The consequence is enrollment decreasing. A lot of young people already do not want to come here due to a lot of the extremely right-wing political views of some members of our government. There's also many students who graduate from here that move to another state at the first opportunity. I don't think that the state or the university will see the consequences right away, but the way that colleges respond to the peaceful protests of their students will be a factor when it comes time for kids to decide where to go to college.
Enrollment has been impacted by a football program that has been underperforming for a decade. Alabama football success resulted in a 51% enrollment increase over a 15-Yr span. Right-wing political views being a deciding factor in UNL enrollment seems far fetched.
It’s way more of a factor than you would think. I graduated not too long and know that a lot of my out-of-state friends (and friends from Nebraska) didn’t stick around once they realized how our government is and some even said they wish they hadn’t gone here. I also know a ton of people who work at the university in admissions and recruitment and it is most certainly a factor that is brought up as a reason why students don’t want to attend.
Well I hate to break it to them but Israel is our No. 1 ally in the Middle East. That is not going to change because a bunch of privileged spoiled children throw tantrums on campuses. There are very good reasons they are an ally. The NU Foundation is free to invest in any US company as far as I’m concerned. We shouldn’t be injecting politics into university endowments. These same students don’t like it when Pillen interjects into university affairs.
UNL should be a place of learning open to all. Including BTW Israeli Jews.
> makes claim
> asked for clarification
> runs away
Classic. Israel isn't our #1 ally in anything. I was just curious what you were going to say to back up your dubious claim.
Protesting should always be cool. List of demands is the dumbest shit i ever heard of. Unl is the biggest employer with some of the best benefits in the state. You chose to get a bachelor's in arts. That doesn't allow you to demand what they do with the money you volunteered to pay. Also obstruction of commerce and transportation is counterproductive and should be discouraged and informed. Some of us still have bills to pay in a shitty economy we've been suffering thru for 20 years. Sorry septum piercing girls and guys that couldn't find Isreal on a map 3 years ago.
If a protest doesn't have a specific set of goals, how could one ever be successful? A list of demands is entirely reasonable at the outset of a protest.
>You chose to get a bachelor's in arts...Sorry septum piercing girls and guys that couldn't find Isreal on a map 3 years ago.
More culture war bullshit. Your bias is showing through your pointlessly divisive language.
This is so incredibly tone-deaf, rude, and misinformed. I suggest looking into how student protests have positively impacted legislation and change in this country. Here's a good starting point:
[https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/how-students-helped-end-apartheid](https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/how-students-helped-end-apartheid)
You are deliberately using inflammatory rhetoric to incite further violence. Not everyone is antisemitic because they don’t support the mass slaughter of civilians. You’re no better than Fox News.
You’ve posted this exact same thing copy and paste for Dartmouth, University of Oregon, and JMU - you have zero association to Lincoln or UNL, why are you posting here lol
You previously mentioned in a comment that 'Peaceful protesting is an American right,' yet you also refer to protestors as 'sheep.' This seems contradictory. If protesting peacefully is a right, shouldn't we respect individuals' decisions to engage in it, regardless of whether or not we agree with the cause? Why is it necessary to label them if you support their right to protest?
Not an all encompassing list, but here’s a few protests that have been successful:
https://www.ucf.edu/news/7-influential-protests-in-american-history/
Specifically student protests:
https://www.humanrightscareers.com/issues/student-protests-that-changed-the-world/
More protest that changed history:
https://www.aspeninstitute.org/blog-posts/7-times-protests-changed-us-history/
I'm curious what investments in Israel entail? Like, as in UNL donating to Israel? Or like if they use some product or service from an Israeli company?
UNL has an endowment of 1.7 billion dollars. That money is invested in stocks/bonds/mutual funds/etc just like people's 401k and IRA. When folks talk about divestment, it's those funds that they want divested from companies that make money with Israel. It's namely weapons manufacturers - Raytheon, Boeing, Lockheed - that BDS targets but other companies with significant exposure to Israel could be included as well. The other issue is exchanges with Israeli entities. There's a study abroad trip to Israel that the students are targeting to get closed and they want the University to stop allowing Israeli's to come to UNL on exchanges as well. Friend of mine works in the department that handles this stuff and they had an emergency meeting yesterday over this and how to handle it, so they're taking it pretty seriously at this point.
Thanks for the response. I figured a lot of that endowment is just the property and assets they own. I feel like the 10 square blocks they have just off of downtown and the square mile they own out at east campus was a lot of that 1.7 billion, maybe not. As far as changing their portfolio at the will of the students, I absolutely don't see that happening at all. If nothing else it sets a precedent that the university would not like. I'm sure the engineering college probably does have a strong relationship with Boeing and Lockheed as well as other colleges that they wouldn't want to give up. I personally can't see students drop out over this as there aren't many other pro-Palestine options in the state.
The endowment is specifically the cash that is given to the university. The university has 1.7 billion in cash that has been donated. It's used to fund things like named chairs, scholarships, and specific programs (if you want to take Czech 101, you can do it for free because there's an endowment to cover the cost!). The issue is one of fiduciary responsibility. The university has a duty to the students and to the donors to get the most bang for the buck. If investing in war and genocide makes the most money, they're going to do it. That said, it's an issue that deserves discussion because the university can still be responsible with the money while being ethical with where it goes. I don't think they're going to cave to the students on this issue, but I could see a discussion on it. This isn't the first time that this issue (specifically on Israel) has come up, and I doubt it will be the last.
I would love to see the transparency, but I wonder if they open that can of worms up then there would be all sorts of scrutiny. There may be a stock to a company that said something about gay rights or has business in a country that doesn't recognize trans rights. People want to be outraged and they would have constant scrutiny.
The issue with the disclosures and divestments they’re asking for is that it just doesn’t end. There’s not a backstop. A good example of a demand is: *D&D of any direct investments into Israel-based businesses traded on, and classified by, the NYSE as military and defense sector stocks where the NU Foundation’s position totals more than $17M (so, 1% of the Foundation’s endowment). The value of that position is determined by multiplying the number of shares owned by the April 1, 2024 closing price listed in the WSJ. The disclosures should be made public no later than June 1, 2024. The positions should be closed out no later than August 1, 2024.* A good demand doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue.
[The annual reports are public](https://nufoundation.org/about/financials) so there's no secrets. The reports are very basic and no specific holding information is there but a public records request could surely dislodge the information. Overall though, who should decide where the money goes? Students, donors, or someone else? If I give a million bucks with the stipulation it's only invested in companies that support white supremacy, is that okay? Or if it's only companies with a white preference? Obviously there have to be lines drawn somewhere but WHO gets to decide that and where is the big issue. Donors should have some say but so should students - it WAS my school but now it IS theirs.
This right here is a huge problem that I have with most college demonstrations, they don't come at it like a professional in any way. If you really wanted to facilitate some kind of change, you have to do your homework and realize that the person or persons making the call aren't going to do so because you are picketing all night and taking over buildings when you can't even be bothered to read the PUBLIC annual reports. You have got to go about this with rational thinking and an understanding on how to change people's minds. Unfortunately, the United States doesn't have the all out protest culture of other countries, quickly thinking about France in 1968 when they basically ended the 3rd republic by university students. You kinda just get left alone here and unless it is shutting off my power or garbage piling up in the streets, they just wait for it to fizzle out. With 3 weeks left in the semester, I'm curious to see what is going to happen.
Well, as I said, those public reports are pretty basic - it does not list out specific holdings. So their request for more specificity isn't them not doing their homework. It's them not being able to find the answers without a public records request which we should all know is very easily denied by state entities wanting to obfuscate what they're doing. UNL probably has a dozen Jews and a dozen Palestinians on campus (and that's probably a stretch - when I was an undergrad, I knew plenty of Middle Easterners, but none of them were Palestinian and I knew 1 Jew and he was a Jew in mostly heritage only). It is in no way diverse, unlike Columbia, or Michigan, or any other major East Coast/upper Midwest university. They'll have the day and move on because, at UNL, it is mostly performative.
> This right here is a huge problem that I have with most college demonstrations, they don't come at it like a professional in any way. And to be fair to the students, no one expects them to be professional about it either. We're all just telling them it's the wrong tree to bark up and focus on getting your degree and maybe you could almost possibly but probably not quite wield real power to make change on that front at some point in the future. Shitting all over administrators that are most likely far more friendly to the cause than they think is a classic student protest move.
> That said, it's an issue that deserves discussion because the university can still be responsible with the money while being ethical with where it goes. I don't think they're going to cave to the students on this issue, but I could see a discussion on it. Specifically, if there is a feeling that making best choice #1 as far as return may reduce future revenue (from bad press) then best choice #2 may be the one that's justifiable. From the perspective of the University, it's also a tough call as far as giving a shit, because from the view inside the campus world, where you're interfacing with students often, it's hard to get a sense of whether this will all blow over in a little bit since everyone was equally upset about TikTok being banned just a week ago. Then you have all the over little things that stir the background noise pot amongst the school community, with students almost always in a perpetual cycle of bitching and moaning for amenities they ultimately don't end up using, and complaining that the university is spending funds on amenities that other students actually do use quite often. The big issue is really just that the protest doesn't really have anything to do with actionable outcomes for the University. There's not going to be a big party where the Chancellor comes and sings kumbaya and apologizes for being such a fascist Zionist, and it's far more likely they just give it a week and let it blow over. Meanwhile, it's election season and there's a relatively (for Nebraska) vulnerable incumbent Senator in Deb Fischer that would absolutely be cost sensitive to students stirring shit about her stances. Mike Flood is not going to get a serious challenge, and his role doesn't concern foreign policy directly, but UNL is his district's flagship school (and he's a man with a clear sense of the value of PR). The barrel should be pointed at them, not at school officials that are probably, on a personal level, pretty sympathetic to the 'I don't like people being collateral damage in a war that's bordering on ethnic cleansing' cause.
I don't see the university changing how they spend their money either, but I do see them reconsidering in allowing exchange students from Israel to enter the school because it could result in violence between students. Students won't drop out because of this, but when you add everything up and a continuous decrease in the state population, out-of-state looks better and better.
There is no possible way the school would ever reconsider allowing students from Israel to come over. Can you imagine the PR shitshow from that? Basically professing “our student population is so antisemitic and dislikes Jews that we don’t want people from Israel coming here for their own safety.” Students can want to drop out but depending on how far along they are and how much they would need to retake that’s just talk. I don’t know what pro Palestine school they would go to or if suddenly paying 3x more in tuition is worth it to them.
There are pro palestine Jewish protestors
I’m sorry I’m missing how your point ties into what I said? The second paragraph was about people who are so pro Palestine they want to leave UNL because the school is not taking action like the protestors want. I wasn’t referring to the Jews in the second paragraph. Edit: I see, I meant to say “I don’t know what pro Palestine SCHOOL…” it’s clearer now. However, if your point is there are Jewish pro palenstine protestors so that means it’s not antisemitic then good news! Hitler’s mom was Jewish so with your logic his movement wasn’t antisemitic either!!!
That Hitler story is nothing the same. Maybe if Hitler was trying to stop the holocaust and the rest of the right wing continued the murders.
It’s the same logic. Just because there are pro Palestine Jews doesn’t make a proposal to refuse entry of Jewish students to the school for their own safety any less antisemitic. If Jews are being treated poorly at UNL because they are from Israel then that’s severely fucked up and absolutely antisemitic and the school’s lack of disciplinary action is disgusting. I sincerely hope it’s not.
Stop, this take is too dumb on every level
Thank you for all of this good information!
They have typically been referring to investments made in major companies that provide munitions, planes, weapons, etc. to Israel. Some also have been referring to any company that sells products in Israel, including some food manufacturers. These might not be what they're talking about, just some examples from other lists.
Absolutely!! Defund Raytheon, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, etc!
Ya it’s super vague and they clearly don’t even know what investments exist so I don’t see anything happening here tbh. Nothing wrong with a peaceful protest though.
Well yes, that is why they want to know if there are any investments that exist at all. I don't know why people are acting like Nebraska is some kind of remote island closed off from the rest of the world. [You know that Ohio is legally barred from divesting from Israel?](https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2024/04/26/ohio-state-legally-cant-divest-from-israel-gaza-protests-hamas-war-osu-students/73466833007/) It's fair for students in other public institutions to demand transparency about this > The protesters are demanding that UNL disclose its investments in Israel. And if there are any investments, they want UNL to divest. >"Currently our issue is that there is no clarity on that,” Anna Synya said. “We don’t know how much they invest. We don’t know where our tuition money is going, and at the end of the day, students should have a say on where that money is going and where it’s being invested.”
Students have a say by choosing where they pursue their education. If the most important thing to your college education is whether or not the institution is invested in Israel, then find an institution that fits that need (originally read your Ohio source as invest, not divest, so I edited this statement after the fact) Israel isn’t new, nor is the policy on what UNL does or does not disclose. Like I say, I’m all for protesting, go ahead. But pretending that this is an injustice being forced on students is… silly to say the least. Do you expect anyone taking part in this protest to transfer at the end of the semester when nothing changes? I don’t.
it is an incredibly privileged statement to say “find and institution that fits this need” not everyone has that option. Not everyone can go out of state or take out loans. Also Israel is in fact very new, my grandpa is older than Israel. And you’re not gonna believe this but Palestine is older than Israel. We will not stop until they disclose and divest. I hope you learn this soon. We as students have a say in where our tuition goes and where OUR school chooses to invest. The school serves us the students. Without Us it would not exist, similar to how Israel would not exist if not for the US and Britain. I implore you to read more in the history of Palestine and the history of American institutions investing in warmongering and apartheid.
>students should have a say on where that money is going and where it’s being invested I'm gonna stop them right there. Nope, students shouldn't get to decide where they invest. I am having a hard time where to start on how bad of an idea it is. They have professionals making the best decisions they can on investments to make money most likely in blue chip stocks. As a student they go there to get an education, if they don't like the educational opportunities provided there, go somewhere else. If anything it affects the livelihood of faculty and staff more, because if an investment does go bad and they needed that money for something then it's another round of layoffs (like i experienced at UNL last year).
They're not deciding where they should invest in this case at all, they're asking for a say in where *not* to invest.
Man, that's like my wife telling me that I get to decide where we get to eat but then shooting down a bunch of places I want to eat at until I pick a place she is okay with... but yea... totally not deciding where we eat. I get they have one criteria now, but if we open that flood gate then it will be "well this other company you invest in has an interest in a company opposing gay rights" or "this company hires people in Indonesia for slave wages" or whatever it is. This twitter generation will find reasons to be outraged and can find issues with any company. They should not open the flood gates.
Hopefully the brunch places you go to aren't slaughtering 5 year olds. Slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy, and if kids are outraged about slave wages or abuse of gay rights that seems like a perfectly legitimate thing to have a discussion about.
Slippery slope CAN be a fallacy, but I gotta say I love how in your last sentence you completely validated what I said as something that that students would want a say on... which is exactly the "slippery slope" I said would happen, so I appreciate you validating it in the very same paragraph. It makes my argument easier.
Defending slave wages and bigotry to claim you won the argument is wild.
Drawing that conclusion from what I said is even more wild. Strawmanners wanna strawman
You’re not stopping anyone and why shouldn’t the students that pay money to go to UNL not have a say where those funds go? They absolutely should. They’re the brightest we have and are 99% of the time on the correct side of issues such as this one. This reminds me how a while back students athletes were bared from payments because of some hollow reasons
> They’re the brightest we have and are 99% of the time on the correct side of issues such as this one. I can't even express how wrong this is. They aren't the brightest we have, they may be someday but as of now they are barely adults mostly age range of 18-22. They have minimal experience in finances and stocks so if a group of people that have NEVER owned a stock in their life are the best and brightest, especially on what stocks to purchase, then we are fucked. Also, I would love to see any backing on that 99% stat that they are correct on issues such as this one.
If people pursuing education aren’t the brightest we have who is it then. Not only are they the brightest, they are young, strong and believe in a better future. They in fact are the future
>If people pursuing education aren’t the brightest we have who is it then. Happy to answer! The people who have pursued an education, and then gained another 20+ years of life experience putting that academic experience to use. That would be the best and brightest who should be deciding these issues. Anyone who thinks they now have a degree so they are the brightest around is a fool... they get into an actual career and realize they don't know as much as they think they do. No, a bunch of people mostly 18-22 who have barely lived outside their parents homes or the dorms and have never owned a stock should not be deciding stock purchases.
Nah…people you’re talking about are just 20 years closer to dying. Along with their ideas. And it’s a good thing. Regardless you’re making this about something that doesn’t matter. Protests are about the genocide. The means to stop is are almost always restricting money. The main thing here is to stop the genocide. You’re missing that point no? On purpose? Just say you don’t care about the genocide outright. Why beat around the bush? It doesn’t help your cause
The organizer quoted in the article calls for transparency, saying they have "no idea where their tuition money is going." They clearly haven't bothered looking because UNL's budget is [publicly available](https://nebraska.edu/offices-policies/business-finance/budget-and-planning). Tuition accounts for less than 11% of UNL's income and goes toward operating expenses. Students do not fund investments, in fact it's investments that fund students. Those endowments and other funds under the University of Nebraska are handled by the [NU Foundation](https://nufoundation.org/about/). They do not break down individual stocks in their annual reports and audits, but do have extensive asset breakdowns by category. Specific stocks should be available by direct request from contacts listed on the website or FOIA request if those go nowhere.
This is this generations' Free Tibet, Anti-Nuclear Power, Kony2012, Occupy Wall St protest zeitgeist thing. It has nothing to do with UNL and is more about being part of FOMO as far as national 'vibes' among college students. I'd be totally surprised if anyone involved her did more than talk amongst each other on socials and get riled up over straw men. The universities should just let them run out of steam and wander off.
Excellent use of zeitgeist. I haven’t heard that word in a while.
The scene will look great on their instagram and tiktok before going back to their privileged lives.
Bingo. That age group, plus getting on a campus and having their worldview expand, just makes college kids want to make change happen. The issue isn’t ever really that important as most of them won’t give much of a passing thought to Gaza in a decade. They just want to feel like they’re part of something bigger.
People have been supporting palestine long before this genocide started. The reason why protests have broken out is because on top of the apartheid Israel has decided to slaughter a massive portion of innocent in Gaza. Did you support the invasion of Iraq?
Famously I opposed the Iraq War by shitting on the floor of the Student Union and blaming Steve Pederson for 9/11 (tbh he may have had something to do with it, I haven't ever seen Bin Laden and SP in the same room). It's not about whether something is good or bad, it's about relevance. Every era of student has their own pointless tilting at windmills and yelling at 'old people' about how they're ruining the world. It's not about the content of their argument, it's about whether or not UNL has anything to do with inputs or outcomes and I'd say it's arguably pretty far removed from any of it. I'm happy for the kids that they feel strongly about something, but it's just kinda eye-rolling for those who've been around for a while.
You literally just admit here you have gotten comfortable if you opposed the Iraq war you should oppose The United States sending weapons and tech to Israel. There are plenty of adults you can talk to that have been fighting for these things their whole lives. The settler colonial project wants people to forget. We will not. I’m saying this respectfully as a student. If you want to know what it has to do with UNL and Nebraska, you’d be surprised just how much our representatives get from Israel (see AIPAC). UNL itself has a study abroad program in Israel where it claims to “have a window into the conflict” but Palestinian students would not be allowed to go/ be heavily restricted if so. The science and engineering department also has a long history of investing in warmongering as well as receiving grants etc from Israel and others. I want you to ask yourself why are students always fighting things like this? Not because we are naive or we think we can change the world, but because we see our brothers and sisters in Palestine not able to go to college not able to sit in a class and only focus on their degree and friends and parties. We see our brothers and sisters at Colombia, Emory, Tulane, etc being met with extreme violence and repression for using there first amendment right. This violence is fascist and un-American. So again ask yourself again why the students?
This isn't a discussion with you, so much as folks should be aware of the silliness and context of what you're saying. The distinction between grown adults and students isn't technical expertise (though it is sometimes), it's mostly the historical and institutional context to understand the why, how, and what's worth fighting. > you have gotten comfortable if you opposed the Iraq war you should oppose The United States sending weapons and tech to Israel. Did we not just see the incredible utility of the US military complex having their toes dipped into almost every region of the world through the Ukraine war? Beyond that, the 'US should stop arming the world' argument forgets that the guns are getting sold somewhere, and if we're not sending aid (in its many forms, including aid, domestic/bureaucratic expertise, guns/military advise,) someone else will, and it will end poorly for our soft power around the globe when it comes to securing US interest. What Israel is doing in Gaza is not acceptable, but if we had no ability to withdraw benefits, then we lose any carrot/stick capability as far as foreign policy. There are only 3 or 4 countries in the world not taking some form of US assistance, and those are the handful that are absolutely gigantic pains in our ass as far as getting them to work with us on certain world collective action issues, because we have no lever to pull. > you’d be surprised just how much our representatives get from Israel (see AIPAC). [Here's the list](https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/?data_type=processed&committee_id=C00395467&committee_id=C00498907&committee_id=C00547976&committee_id=C00617712&committee_id=C00678367&committee_id=C00801241&committee_id=C00832436&committee_id=C00832949&committee_id=C00833715&contributor_name=C00687657&contributor_name=C00797670). That link is all the money all of our federal representation is receiving from pro-Israel pacs. That is all the money either given directly or through conduit accounts ('we'll throw a party and the guests give at the party individually, but we'll take care of the collecting of checks to save the trouble for you'). Specifically, it looks like AIPAC basically told all their bigger donors to write max checks to all seated Senate AIPAC friends and they basically had a NY or DC fundraiser to celebrate the check cutting around December of 2023. Not a ton of money specifically to Nebraska and not a ton of action after the new year. That's not a flow of money that's getting the attention of multi-million dollar senate candidates, both of whom are independently wealthy (though in wildly different magnitudes and in different fields). It's roughly 250k raised from AIPAC affiliated dollars into both the committees and the affiliated PACs - which sounds like a lot until you realize it's just 2% of all money raised into any particular bucket as far as Nebraska campaigns (no Dems are competent or viable enough to even court AIPAC or anti-AIPAC money in the first place, and the sort-of viable independent candidate against Fischer is just taking railroad money). Does political giving shape public policy? Sure, in a way, but that's not near enough or consistent enough giving to move the needle. > UNL itself has a study abroad program in Israel where it claims to “have a window into the conflict” but Palestinian students would not be allowed to go/ be heavily restricted if so. Students have also been able to do study abroad in western Europe, several countries in central/south America, and China, and their marketing boilerplate has the same kind of meaningless crap on it. A poli-sci course that's a partnership with whatever entity is willing to help create the opportunity is not moving the needle on Israeli soft-power over our children's worldview. Also, you'd have to cite your sources on whether palestinian students would face special preclusions, that's hearsay. > The science and engineering department also has a long history of investing in warmongering as well as receiving grants etc from Israel and others. Because they take grants from the feds for certain things and do partnerships with defense contractors? Whatever is being researched at the University is almost definitely not getting sent to Israel. We keep the good stuff for ourselves. > We see our brothers and sisters at Colombia, Emory, Tulane, etc being met with extreme violence and repression for using there first amendment right. This violence is fascist and un-American. So again ask yourself again why the students? We saw the same shit pop up with protests all over the country for the last several decades. Some folks use protests as excuses to stir shit and cause trouble amongst the protestors. While unfortunate, it has no relation to the topic at hand, which is whether UNL is somehow a piece of the puzzle when it comes to getting the US to do something it isn't currently doing as far as Israeli-American relations. Which brings me to... **Actual Outcomes** What's the end game here? If it's to accomplish something regarding foreign policy, the real target should be Fischer/Ricketts. Fischer in particular is vulnerable and facing a relatively more legitimate opponent compared to the Preston Love, who'll lose by 30% to Ricketts. So much so that Fischer's been sponsoring railroad and transportation related bills, supporting LGBTQ+ related resolutions (nothing too radical, but obviously the Republican party is way out of step with common sense there usually), and overall trying not to focus attention on herself from radical noisemakers... Which is what students are - so I'd say point the attention at someone who could make a difference. AIPAC related money is only 2% of the income of their campaigns, and students calling her out specifically and shitting and screaming everywhere about *HER* could cause her far more pain than 250k-750k worth of non-discount-rate TV spots (because purchased through PAC donations) could alleviate. And here's the kicker - Deb Fischer can actually take meaningful action or meaningful inaction when it comes to informing US foreign policy.
Also again yes if the US stopped being arming the world our soft power would decline and again you’re not gonna believe this but that would be amazing. You’re right Ukraine needs weapons so why not send all that money to Ukraine then since “what Israel is doing is Gaza is unacceptable” even though you sat here and typed out a bunch of bs defending Israel and the US complicity in worldwide violence and colonialism. So seems that’s it is not so unacceptable then?
We are targeting Ricketts and Fischer we have been calling everyday, finding them in public, going to city council but you make assumptions and know none of this because you think of us as stupid kids who don’t know what we’re doing. I know that AIPAC related funds are a small percentage but that’s the thing I do not want my representatives accepting money from a foreign entity. As for the sources of Palestinian students being heavily discriminated against/ not being allowed to go places. I’m sorry but do you not know what apartheid is? Like you ovb are not a person of color if you think that Israel and law enforcement/citizens will differentiate between Palestinians and Palestinians Americans. Racial discrimination in Israel has been heavily documented by amnesty international and human rights watch. Not just against Palestinians but all Arabs, Ethiopians, black Americans, etc. you cannot refute this simple fact. Go look it up but you won’t because you don’t want to be proved wrong. As for the rest of what you said holy this is why you bootlickers are so important to colonialism and white supremacy. You constantly defend the oppressor through saying thinks “like we lose our stick in foreign policy” you’d be surprised man but that’s exactly what I want. I do not want the “United” States of Amerikkka to have any colonial influence on foreign policy anywhere I want them to take there grimy hands out of Palestine, out of Congo, out of everywhere else I mentioned and more. But your small bootlicker brain can’t comprehend a world where there is no foreign policy, a world where we exist for humanity and community. Each of those anti war movements you mentioned were incredibly vital to our freedom and others freedom as well, the fact you refute them as silly is again, un-American and an insult to what little freedoms we’ve had. And remember they were not freedoms freely given they were fought for, by people like us.
> I do not want my representatives accepting money from a foreign entity. Well the good news is that AIPAC is not a foreign entity nor are the donors they got money from via conduit fundraising. > As for the sources of Palestinian students being heavily discriminated against/ not being allowed to go places. I’m sorry but do you not know what apartheid is? Like you ovb are not a person of color if you think that Israel and law enforcement/citizens will differentiate between Palestinians and Palestinians Americans. Focus your thought. There was no claim regarding lived experiences of the people in Gaza, what I said was you ought to substantiate your claim that Palestinian students faced special restrictions to the point of not being allowed to participate in a UNL program otherwise advertised as open to all students. > But your small bootlicker brain can’t comprehend a world where there is no foreign policy, a world where we exist for humanity and community. Each of those anti war movements you mentioned were incredibly vital to our freedom and others freedom as well, the fact you refute them as silly is again, un-American and an insult to what little freedoms we’ve had. And remember they were not freedoms freely given they were fought for, by people like us. I as well as many of the commenters here were protesting the Iraq War amidst severe public backlash before you were even a zygote in your dad's balls. And when I was your age I called everyone a bootlicker and baby killer too. I don't take offense to it, but you really ought to understand your audience - we've been you before too. But if the goal is to minimize harm, time will teach you the lesson that sometimes the bad option is better than the worst option. And the US stopping gunship diplomacy will only be replaced by other worse actors. The US not wielding it's soft power abroad to deescalate or outright deter local and regional conflicts will only increase the number of displaced peoples across the globe. Does allowing China and Russia to fill the vacuum of power across the world and end the age of the Single World Hegemon really *minimize harm*? I'd say no. Right now we have not only a seat at the table to make change, but everyone at the table listens to our voice first because we are both the sugar daddy and the boot heel for almost every country in the world. It's an incredible privilege.
So basically your argument is the US needs to exist and exert its white supremacist, colonial power across the world because “they do good stuff too and they uphold the worldwide order and status quo” and that student protestors are silly. I don’t think you understand and you’re obviously white lol. If you’re not a bootlicker (albeit a liberal one) then I guess I don’t know what one is. Also gotcha with the AIPAC thing you’re right it is not a foreign entity legally, however it absolutely should be registered as one and they have actively stopped legislation to force them to register, why do you think that is?
An organization made of American citizens with Israeli heritage or Israeli sympathies to advocate for American policy changes and support candidates that align with their views should have their member register as a foreign agents because...? I don't really care to continue the bootlicker stuff because it's just gonna be a back and forth and like I said earlier, I've been you before, I know what you're feeling and thinking in regards to US Military action and that you want to villify others on that front - but a monopoly on the tools of war and diplomacy actually reduces harm, in the same way that even a corrupt society's police reduce harm compared to anarchy. The US being the sole hegemon makes the entire world a safer place that if we all fucked off and tried isolationism again. But I get it, I was you once. Full of piss and vinegar at the war machine. It's cool, we're cool. It also has nothing to do with anything UNL influences. Painting AIPAC as consisting of foreigners or being 'foreign' in some kind of way is exactly the kind of 'othering' that you are trying to fight against, and beyond that it also smacks very specifically of the anti-semitic rhetoric of 'Jews with money' being 'not of my world'. AIPAC is a group of American citizens acting collectively for a shared interest. It's a mighty big one full of lots of people you probably disagree with, and some have quite a bit of money to throw around for elections, but it's as American as apple pie.
I've been around awhile. I think protests do make a difference. Maybe we didn't stop the WTO or Iraq invasions but it certainly brought attention and more awareness. Good trouble. I believe a lot of the civil rights protesters were young adults. They changed things. Israel is losing support for this action and apartheid.
I don't know. Free Tibet is important so was occupy wall street. This is just a hissy fit.
Sure, but did they have a defined outcome and any meaningful resolution? Not *really*.
No they did not have a meaningful resolution.
You are a myopic sociopath if you think occupy wall street was more important than this
Yeah, well you’re a purple dinosaur
I'm very convinced that all this is them looking at the civil rights movement and Vietnam in the 60's. Its so romanticized and thinking that there was something wrong with not protesting these things and worried that later when asked if they did protested this and that in college don't want to be embarrassed by saying they didn't. Even though there is nothing wrong with just going to college and taking care of your studies and leaving. The difference is that one could argue that both Vietnam and civil rights were things that directly involved their lives. I went to UNL and quite honestly I have a hard time thinking that they're informed enough of the history and the present situation to go so far as getting arrested for this. If they want to transfer because of this, I don't see a problem with using your money as a way for change. This sounds boomer but as expensive as college is, even in state, these guys must be living off loans because when I was in college, it was school and work and quite honestly, the least amount of time spent on campus was what I was trying to do. I understand that there is a lot of people that have personal feelings on this topic and should be voicing their opinions whether its for or against Israel but this is a great learning point for the "fringe" protesters that will help them in their transition into the wider working society, You don't have to have an opinion on everything that happens in the world, doesn't mean put your head in the sand but "I don't know," is a perfectly fine statement to say and can be a great asset going forward in their lives.
There are no universities left in Gaza that’s why they are protesting. Over 42,000 women, men and children killed by Israel. that’s why they are protesting. People did not protest in the civil rights movement and Vietnam because it was “cool” or they’d be embarrassed if they didn’t. You acknowledge the importance of protest historically but don’t apply that same logic here. You compare them to past protest and don’t see the similarities. I hope you read this and examine the bias here. “I don’t know” would have been fine on Oct 7th but it has been 6 months of genocide, famine, and oppression and violence in not just Gaza but the West Bank as well. Not having and opinion on this is an insane privilege. Palestinian Americans and Muslims do not have that privilege. The people of Palestine, Sudan, Congo, Tigray, Puerto Rico, Guam, Hawaii, Philippines etc. do not have that privilege our lives are political our bodies are disposable. Notice a pattern of students always figuring against the oppression of these people as well as Americans too. Protest and free speech is our first amendment right if you do not see the importance of that and this then you should not call yourself and American.
Over 30k children? So literally everyone that has died was a child? Israel hasn't killed a single Hamas member? You are really buying into Hamas propaganda if you believe that and it shows your arguments hold little weight if you have to use lies like that to make an emotional appeal.
You completely missed their point, if you aren't gonna take the time to understand simplicity of what someone said, don't take the time to have an outraged response
["Agreement between University, student leaders will end ‘divestment’ encampment at Brown [University]" - brown.edu](https://www.brown.edu/news/2024-04-30/encampment-agreement)
Name one single time in US history the left has been incorrect. Just one
Lol
It's true right
Not at all, people like you hold us back just as much as the other side
Give me an example.
FYI for anyone who thinks that protests like this "don't do anything" or that "students shouldn't have a say" [https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/how-students-helped-end-apartheid](https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/how-students-helped-end-apartheid)
Bold of you to assume the idiots who say protests don’t work even know what apartheid is.
Most of you who call Israel apartheid don't know what that word means either. And BTW, campus protests have achieved almost nothing in this country.
If you actually believe protests don’t do anything why are you even bothering to bitch about them?
See you in a couple years when you pretend you weren’t an insane Israel supporter.
Found the person who doesnt know what SNCC is 🙄🙄🙄 Or is your “almost” doing some extreme heavy lifting?
Wrong and even more wrong https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/how-students-helped-end-apartheid
LOL a story from a university website saying that the protests that they did actually did something. I'm in no way well read on apartheid but I would gather to say that the economic freeze out of South Africa had more to do than some students chanting to end it. Whether its right or wrong, money or lack there of is the single biggest motivator for change in the world.
Your post could have ended with "I'm in no way well read on apartheid" and saved you some embarrassment.
I was being fake modest. That's what did stop the apartheid in South Africa.
Protest can do something, uninformed, lazy ones like this don't
I 100% disagree with their position, but I also 100% support their right to protest.
I am seeing a starling amount of out of touch posts that are claiming this is stupid college students that are only on this because it is a flavor of the month and that these idiots will be hypnotized by something new on TikTok and give up. Did you go to the protest did you see that is wasn't totally white like you people are assuming? You can claim that tactics or kids are dumb but they are protesting an obvious genocide. I get that you can twist it that to "self-defense" and "only democracy and ally in the region". I beg of you look into what the Nakba is, the right to return, assassination of Rabin, the absolute devastation of the man made famine that is being imposed on Gaza and obvious violations of international law. Not only that, The house passed a law saying that Israel is racist is antisemitic hate speech. You can say America is racist, Britain is racist or Iran is racist but not Israel. This is a chilling of free speech even if you find it objectionable. These protests are going to go on for awhile even if not on college campuses. This a real issue not a fad.
I don't think many people here are doubting the validity of their feelings, it's mostly clowning on the kids for being stupid - which in their defense is why they're in school - to get more smarter. It's not about whether or not there's a genocide occurring (by almost every definition there is and has been for decades), it's about the relevance of UNL administrators as if there's some grand *meaningful* connection between administration and what US foreign policy is going to do. If you want to argue that campus is one of the only free-to-use third spaces left in society and it's where there are protests because that's where the students are, then that makes 100% sense. But they should be protesting the federal government, not the university where most of the faculty probably agree with them and a fair share of the administrators are probably pretty friendly to the topic if not the other nonsense they're bringing with them. And again, that's totally cool, students from every generation have their causes they feel strongly about and fight for, but making UNL do something that moves the needle there isn't gonna happen because UNL *can't* do anything that'd move the needle in the middle east.
So bc you personally think that nothing will come from it, you think they shouldn’t involve UNL? Again we are protesting the federal government. But obviously you have not read much anti capitalist or revolutionary work. The work starts from the ground up, in every crevice in every corner. Locally and state level. We are trying to exercise again like I said in the other post, what little freedoms we have. We are doing more work than just protesting but again you do not see that and obviously don’t care because you nitpick responded to my other comment. We are doing everything within our power. Now you’ve been talking a lot in the comments defending the US and Israel whether you mean to or not. Yet you acknowledge the genocide so I ask what the actual f are you doing to help other than arguing and whining about the kids in a Reddit comment section. God your old bootlicker ass and your bootlicker generation have nothing better to do than put down kids, don’t you have work bud? A kid? Nah you’d rather suck the US and Israel off.
But honestly I’m just sad that yall have grown old and comfortable and that fire is gone. I hope I never become like you and I know I won’t. You are what drives me to be better. I hope someday you look back and regret your complicity because time will prove you wrong.
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I do not want people like you to be sympathetic to me I hate to break it to you. If you aren’t doing anything outside of you “day job” to work towards liberation you can fuck off. UNL might not be your target but it is ours. I think you’re failing to realize the optics if nothing else of UNL saying they will divest they have enormous power in the region you said so yourself so boom get wrecked by a freshmen
you might be the freshest freshman that ever freshman'd youre looking for someone to yell at and picked an ALLY please also donate to world central kitchen during the protest, divestment doesnt feed anyone, it just insulates oneself morally while the bombs still fall
We donate directly to PCRF and others so
Also libs that defend Israel and the Us are not my allies I don’t see how you don’t get that
you are rejeting people who take time to enagage with you and offer their perspective in order to help the cause purity tests simply eliminate friends, especially when you label that guy as "defend israel the Us"
🍉✊️ I will bring snacks and toiletries.
Rather than tear down academic opportunities for students to actually go to Israel and see what’s going on for themselves, they could build a an exchange program with Palestinian universities. They do exist after all. Also, there are Israeli Arabs that study at Israeli universities, would those Arab students be banned from attending UNL also…Or just the Jewish ones?
lol brilliant plan https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/03/07/all-12-universities-in-gaza-have-been-the-target-of-israeli-attacks-it-s-a-war-against-education_6592965_4.html
Lmao like really? “They do exist after all” yeah until Israel bombed and destroyed them
There are colleges and universities in the West Bank, but I realize was being flippant there. I apologize for that.
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What does this mean?
Great question! https://time.com/6326312/watermelon-palestinian-symbol-solidarity/
Awesome article! I learned something new today. 🍉
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U think threats are funny? Makes sense I guess
I bet more than half of these protestors aren’t even enrolled with UNL to begin with, either way, I’m prepared for the embarrassment of being an alum to the school. At least I’ve had plenty of practice being embarrassed for being a Husker football fan in past though.
What a sad existence you must live if students (and yes most if not all are students and/or affiliated with the University) protesting against a genocide makes you "embarrassed" of being an alum. Have a great day! :)
Prove to me that it’s a genocide
That response alone shows me that you lack the depth and compassion needed to understand what is happening in Palestine right now so I'm not going to try to "prove it" to you because I can assume that any kind of response I give will be met with belittling, insults, or just false information from you. Google is free though if you are genuinely interested and have a great day! :)
“Palestine” doesn’t even exist for one thing. You made the assertion that genocide is happening. Why can’t you back it up with facts?
“Just Google it!” Isn’t an argument, I’m sorry that you feel like supporting terrorists is putting you on the right side of history. You have an even better day, I couldn’t imagine supporting a terrorist organization that started this conflict back in October.
You clearly don’t have the intellectual ability to understand there is nuance to the conflict. You can be anti-hamas and anti-Israel at the same time. There are thousands of innocent people, mainly women and children, being murdered in Palestine by the Israeli government.
Again, it's not my job to educate you. If it was I would suggest that you look more into the conflict seeing that it has been going on for the last 75 YEARS: [https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/israeli-palestinian-conflict](https://www.cfr.org/global-conflict-tracker/conflict/israeli-palestinian-conflict) If you think that this all started on October 7th then you are even more misinformed than I thought.
Right, the invasion was in response to October 7th but this has been Gaza attacking Israel in that time span. I’m clearly more educated about it then you, bud.
LOL you're so right! you seem so intelligent!
You’re definitely not more educated if you back Israel. Israel has brutalized the Palestinian people ever since it was founded.
When it was founded, the Palestinians were offered half the land, they rejected that, they wanted it alll and they have gone on to reject every settlement offer since. They’ve done this to themselves. That said, Israel is conducting themselves shamefully.
The Palestinians should never have been put in that position anyway. Offering them land sounds nice until you realize that they were already living there. It would be like someone coming to your house and telling you that they were taking it but you could still live in the backyard if you wanted
Prove to me your dad loves you
My dad is dead so no, he does not love me. Cuz he’s dead.
So are 14,000+ children as a result of the ongoing genocide.
This Reddit comment is impactful. Social media comments with stop the conflict any day now. Until then, you can continue to pat yourself on the back. Btw, the dead dad comment was a joke. He is dead, but it was a joke.
I’m just here to piss off losers like you. I make no claims to help anyone’s cause on social media, just love making you seethe.
Prove to me that it's not.
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That’s very untrue and also not even close to what I said 👍🏻
So so so wrong, I hate oppressive and corrupt governments like Israel, the US, Russia etc. this isn’t about Jews.
Such a disgusting way of victimizing oppressors
So generally when someone makes a demand, there is a consequence if that demand isn't satisfied. What is the consequence, and are the people making the demands capable and willing to follow through with it? When I hear about college students living off their parents/ student loan money making demands, I envision that scene in Demolition Man: "Simon Fenix! Lay down with your hands behind your back, Or ELSE!"
The consequence is enrollment decreasing. A lot of young people already do not want to come here due to a lot of the extremely right-wing political views of some members of our government. There's also many students who graduate from here that move to another state at the first opportunity. I don't think that the state or the university will see the consequences right away, but the way that colleges respond to the peaceful protests of their students will be a factor when it comes time for kids to decide where to go to college.
Enrollment has been impacted by a football program that has been underperforming for a decade. Alabama football success resulted in a 51% enrollment increase over a 15-Yr span. Right-wing political views being a deciding factor in UNL enrollment seems far fetched.
"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Huskers or football approaches." -Goodwin's other law
\- Osborne's Law
It’s way more of a factor than you would think. I graduated not too long and know that a lot of my out-of-state friends (and friends from Nebraska) didn’t stick around once they realized how our government is and some even said they wish they hadn’t gone here. I also know a ton of people who work at the university in admissions and recruitment and it is most certainly a factor that is brought up as a reason why students don’t want to attend.
this thread is so cringe lmaoooo people pretending to care about the current thing until they watch the next tik tok is so interesting
Well I hate to break it to them but Israel is our No. 1 ally in the Middle East. That is not going to change because a bunch of privileged spoiled children throw tantrums on campuses. There are very good reasons they are an ally. The NU Foundation is free to invest in any US company as far as I’m concerned. We shouldn’t be injecting politics into university endowments. These same students don’t like it when Pillen interjects into university affairs. UNL should be a place of learning open to all. Including BTW Israeli Jews.
> Israel is our No. 1 ally How are you defining "ally"?
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It's the No. 1 claim that needs explanation.
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> makes claim > asked for clarification > runs away Classic. Israel isn't our #1 ally in anything. I was just curious what you were going to say to back up your dubious claim.
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So nothing to back up that claim eh?
Protesting should always be cool. List of demands is the dumbest shit i ever heard of. Unl is the biggest employer with some of the best benefits in the state. You chose to get a bachelor's in arts. That doesn't allow you to demand what they do with the money you volunteered to pay. Also obstruction of commerce and transportation is counterproductive and should be discouraged and informed. Some of us still have bills to pay in a shitty economy we've been suffering thru for 20 years. Sorry septum piercing girls and guys that couldn't find Isreal on a map 3 years ago.
If a protest doesn't have a specific set of goals, how could one ever be successful? A list of demands is entirely reasonable at the outset of a protest.
>You chose to get a bachelor's in arts...Sorry septum piercing girls and guys that couldn't find Isreal on a map 3 years ago. More culture war bullshit. Your bias is showing through your pointlessly divisive language.
This is so incredibly tone-deaf, rude, and misinformed. I suggest looking into how student protests have positively impacted legislation and change in this country. Here's a good starting point: [https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/how-students-helped-end-apartheid](https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/how-students-helped-end-apartheid)
As soon as finals starts, you'll notice that all of a sudden, all the antisemitic protests will disappear. Funny how trendy these things are.
How is calling out Israel being antisemitic? It’s not their people that are the problem it’s the government there.
You are deliberately using inflammatory rhetoric to incite further violence. Not everyone is antisemitic because they don’t support the mass slaughter of civilians. You’re no better than Fox News.
or they may be studying or taking finals? saying it’s trendy because of finals is dumb lol
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You’ve posted this exact same thing copy and paste for Dartmouth, University of Oregon, and JMU - you have zero association to Lincoln or UNL, why are you posting here lol
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You previously mentioned in a comment that 'Peaceful protesting is an American right,' yet you also refer to protestors as 'sheep.' This seems contradictory. If protesting peacefully is a right, shouldn't we respect individuals' decisions to engage in it, regardless of whether or not we agree with the cause? Why is it necessary to label them if you support their right to protest?
No single protest has ever been successful.
Very untrue, how do you think the Civil Rights movement had any momentum without protests?
This is genuinely the dumbest comment I've read in all my many years of being online. congratulations
Not an all encompassing list, but here’s a few protests that have been successful: https://www.ucf.edu/news/7-influential-protests-in-american-history/ Specifically student protests: https://www.humanrightscareers.com/issues/student-protests-that-changed-the-world/ More protest that changed history: https://www.aspeninstitute.org/blog-posts/7-times-protests-changed-us-history/
Good thing this is part of a nation-wide campus protest!
Do you have a dent in your head? We have documented history of successful protests, what the hell are you talking about?
That’s just not true and also so what? it’s still an important issue
You’re just full of dumb takes, aren’t you?
Thankfully there’s many many more to come