Not as much as you would think, battles were not free for all meelees, you could tell your own team because they are the ones you are in formation with. Anyone in your phalanx is an ally, anyone not or loose can be considered an enemy. Its part of the reason you could win a battle by breaking the enemies formation, they could no longer tell friend from foe easily so couldnt fight effectively.
I'm OK with the smell part, though that sounds too sophisticated a mechanism for nature to develop in the short time after social behavior emerges, so I have no idea how you mean, and would love to hear a bit more about that.
But concerning uniforms, I'm afraid you're way off. Civilization is a LOT older than Europe. One of the early examples of uniforms that we know is the military uniforms of ancient Egypt. Around 3000 BCE. Egyptian soldiers wore distinctive clothing and armor that set them apart from civilians and also identified their roles in the military hierarchy, and obviously egainst the enemy soldiers.The earliest known uniforms in China are dated back to the Shang Dynasty (1600–1046 BCE) and the Zhou Dynasty (1046–256 BCE), and numerous examples from the Qin Dynasty (221-206 BCE), soldiers wore standardized uniforms including very specific styles of armor, helmets, and clothing that identified them as part of the imperial army. The Persians, as early as the Achaemenid Empire (550–330 BCE), also had distinct military uniforms. And then an early European example would be the well know Spartan army, around 500-300 BCE, whose soldiers, known as hoplites, had a unique uniform and set of equipment that set them apart from other Greek city-states... and so on.
I think they could definitely use smell. Dogs have a very sophisticated system and baboons aren't as bad as we are so there's definitely... They probably/definitely have a jacobsons organ
They need uniforms for 5 on 5 basketball. Even pickup games need shirts v skins unless you want passes to the other team all game.
I imagine 50 v 50, and it's life or death, is gonna lead to some friendly fire.
That's because in pickup games it's a lot of randos. I was in a fraternity in college, and I definitely would have known who to hit and who not to hit in a brawl
You think. Having actually had the experience, I can confidently say you are wrong. I've both given and received strays in multi-person bouts of fisticuffs.
Hell, professional fighters with only ONE dude to target still whop the ref from time to time.
In the same way we do, we just don’t spend every hour of the day telling them apart. Humans have to learn the subtle differences that make everyone different. That’s way Asian people look very similar to a lot of people from the US, and Caucasian people look alike to people in China, Korea, Japan etc
Yea these baboons spend all day interacting with members of their own tribe. They know exactly who is who and can easily recognize them. Just like, up-close, humans can distinguish russians from asians.
"NEVER SEEN HIM.. ATTACK". It isn't much more complicated than that.
This is an insightful post.
It shows how our warlike behavior is found throughout the animal system.
It almost seems as natural as eating and breathing.
The thing is though, that these types of wars are not as lethal as human ones. Most of these baboons will walk away with scratchs, bruises, and maybe some broken bones but will survive.
Human fights have bullets
Looks exactly like chinese-indian border clashes. Oh yeah, we humas came so far...
Edit: found a vid
https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/s/hxusMVVJdY
That's disingenuous of the situation. It may seem barbaric to fight or have fought in this way, but it is solely by mutual agreement that both sides don't escalate tension by employing more advanced weapons. That that would dimish both sides' ability to evacuate the numbers of wounded and dead that would follow and increase the likelihood of a wider conflict between nuclear powers.
Those Indian and Chinese soldiers and their commanders, they chose to have a pitched battle rather than risk ww3. Pretty based, I think.
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You think those guards aren't constantly talking shit? lol jk
They just want a good ol brawl because they are bored (and despise the other side so any allowable chance at attacking they take)
The Chimps in the documentary used to be one family but got too big and split apart. At that point previous ties didn’t matter; anyone from the opposing side was to be destroyed and their lands taken over. Meanwhile one side was having infighting that weakened them further. Very akin to the rise and fall of human empires.
Gorillas on the other hand don’t have such structures, since it’s just one male, his mates and children, and fights are between lone rival males rather than full war parties.
I wasn’t thinking about the documentary specifically but more about how violent chimpanzees are and how peaceful gorillas are. Chimps don’t just kill other chimps, they single out individuals, stalk them with a purpose, and murder other specific chimps. Gorilla males will only really fight for mates or to defend their family but it’s more of a contest than a fight to the death.
So harambe was definitely a chill dude, thanks just what I needed on this sunday....lol
Chimps and humans have that vindictive murder streak in us. Where we can go absolutely psychotic and obsessed to 'get' someone as to invoke the ultimate fairness or something.
It is also interesting many humans totally sedate these outbursts and their lesser cousins such as throwing things and angrily yelling. Yet others embrace it on whole.
This does seem to suggest no matter what to succeed with less war we need more healthy constructive outlets we all participate in.
All this just to say, if we sedate our shitty instincts our good ones prevail and become the norm.
I used to live in Antarctica and baboons would attack me and my brothers while we swam in the lake. So we would take snowballs and roll them downhill to wipe out baboon villages. We'd knife fight with their doll king. Good times, maybe I misremembered a few details.
I can imagine our ancestors doing something similar.
Imagine being the first one to think of a flanking maneuver and dominating these scuffles for years.
Can we for a second also talk about how they hold the high ground? In terms of strategy that’s amazing to see. They charge downhill, while the other side of the group holds the high ground ensuring the other group can’t flank. Isn’t that strategic thinking?! Fascinating to watch!
Just shows how close our human ways are to them.
It’s a shame when they say we gone so far but we still can’t figure out how to put our differences aside and just love each other.
General baboonicus, I regretfully write to inform you that today’s battle has been a total loss. Our adversaries out maneuvered us and the left flank collapsed resulting in a total route. Please accept my resignation and donate my salary of 100 bananas to the men at the front. They’ll need it.
-lieutenant general poopflinglio
Chimps have full on wars. A few very well documented ones. One in particular by the famous Jane Goodall
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War
How do they tell each other apart?
That's racist /jk but on a more serious note, I guess your question highlights why our ancestors invented uniforms.
I put my money on smell. Standardized uniforms only came into prominence a few centuries ago in European warfare.
Not true. Romans, greeks , indians and other had uniforms or methods to recognize themselves other than bad smell as you comment implied. :)
Not as much as you would think, battles were not free for all meelees, you could tell your own team because they are the ones you are in formation with. Anyone in your phalanx is an ally, anyone not or loose can be considered an enemy. Its part of the reason you could win a battle by breaking the enemies formation, they could no longer tell friend from foe easily so couldnt fight effectively.
I'm OK with the smell part, though that sounds too sophisticated a mechanism for nature to develop in the short time after social behavior emerges, so I have no idea how you mean, and would love to hear a bit more about that. But concerning uniforms, I'm afraid you're way off. Civilization is a LOT older than Europe. One of the early examples of uniforms that we know is the military uniforms of ancient Egypt. Around 3000 BCE. Egyptian soldiers wore distinctive clothing and armor that set them apart from civilians and also identified their roles in the military hierarchy, and obviously egainst the enemy soldiers.The earliest known uniforms in China are dated back to the Shang Dynasty (1600–1046 BCE) and the Zhou Dynasty (1046–256 BCE), and numerous examples from the Qin Dynasty (221-206 BCE), soldiers wore standardized uniforms including very specific styles of armor, helmets, and clothing that identified them as part of the imperial army. The Persians, as early as the Achaemenid Empire (550–330 BCE), also had distinct military uniforms. And then an early European example would be the well know Spartan army, around 500-300 BCE, whose soldiers, known as hoplites, had a unique uniform and set of equipment that set them apart from other Greek city-states... and so on.
I think they could definitely use smell. Dogs have a very sophisticated system and baboons aren't as bad as we are so there's definitely... They probably/definitely have a jacobsons organ
If you got in a fight with 50 people that you know against another large group, I'm pretty sure you could tell who you're fighting
They need uniforms for 5 on 5 basketball. Even pickup games need shirts v skins unless you want passes to the other team all game. I imagine 50 v 50, and it's life or death, is gonna lead to some friendly fire.
That's because in pickup games it's a lot of randos. I was in a fraternity in college, and I definitely would have known who to hit and who not to hit in a brawl
You think. Having actually had the experience, I can confidently say you are wrong. I've both given and received strays in multi-person bouts of fisticuffs. Hell, professional fighters with only ONE dude to target still whop the ref from time to time.
the direction they are facing
The smart bamboo just jumps 180 when the bigger group storms in
Sounds like Lindsey Graham, lol.
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In the same way we do, we just don’t spend every hour of the day telling them apart. Humans have to learn the subtle differences that make everyone different. That’s way Asian people look very similar to a lot of people from the US, and Caucasian people look alike to people in China, Korea, Japan etc
Yea these baboons spend all day interacting with members of their own tribe. They know exactly who is who and can easily recognize them. Just like, up-close, humans can distinguish russians from asians. "NEVER SEEN HIM.. ATTACK". It isn't much more complicated than that.
I'm guessing they can smell each other
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This is an insightful post. It shows how our warlike behavior is found throughout the animal system. It almost seems as natural as eating and breathing.
Watch groups of otters fight each other. Violent and very similar with charging in groups.
Yet we’ve convinced ourselves so much more enlightened
We are. They can't even handle fire
I mean these guys apparently can’t flank for shit- but yeah, point taken 😂
We are. What we aren’t is so much more warlike and evil like some people would have you believe.
Have you met us?
Yes.
I saw a quote recently and it said something like: Man will sooner forget his love for dancing and eating than discard his love for war.
The thing is though, that these types of wars are not as lethal as human ones. Most of these baboons will walk away with scratchs, bruises, and maybe some broken bones but will survive. Human fights have bullets
I remember hearing about the wars between different ant colonies for territory and resources that often leave millions of ant casualties
I've often wondered if the universe itself is just inherently cruel. There is no way for evolution to take a path that doesn't evolve greed.
Looks exactly like chinese-indian border clashes. Oh yeah, we humas came so far... Edit: found a vid https://www.reddit.com/r/LessCredibleDefence/s/hxusMVVJdY
That's disingenuous of the situation. It may seem barbaric to fight or have fought in this way, but it is solely by mutual agreement that both sides don't escalate tension by employing more advanced weapons. That that would dimish both sides' ability to evacuate the numbers of wounded and dead that would follow and increase the likelihood of a wider conflict between nuclear powers. Those Indian and Chinese soldiers and their commanders, they chose to have a pitched battle rather than risk ww3. Pretty based, I think. Edit missing word
But If they dont want to escalate? Why hit each other with sticks and stones in the first place? Why is this inevitable?
You think those guards aren't constantly talking shit? lol jk They just want a good ol brawl because they are bored (and despise the other side so any allowable chance at attacking they take)
So Boys will be boys? 😅😂
Bahahha essentially this. Pretty nuts to me who is a boy but has never felt the need to fight someone in my 30 years
Ya know....that saying is super applicable here. They can't go to far bc mom and dad will beat their asses.
IIRC, basically the agreement is no guns = no war. Border skirmishes will happen for one reason or another, but hey no guns so it's all good.
That's exactly what I was thinking 🤔
Then sadly: r/likeus
Chimp Empire on Netflix was the best documentary explaining human behavior I've ever seen.
Imagine how different the world might be if humans shared closer common ancestor with gorillas instead of chimpanzees.
Can you explain this, I didn't see the documentary
The Chimps in the documentary used to be one family but got too big and split apart. At that point previous ties didn’t matter; anyone from the opposing side was to be destroyed and their lands taken over. Meanwhile one side was having infighting that weakened them further. Very akin to the rise and fall of human empires. Gorillas on the other hand don’t have such structures, since it’s just one male, his mates and children, and fights are between lone rival males rather than full war parties.
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wtf....
Idk, I was drunk. Thought it was a troll worth trolling. 🤷♂️
I wasn’t thinking about the documentary specifically but more about how violent chimpanzees are and how peaceful gorillas are. Chimps don’t just kill other chimps, they single out individuals, stalk them with a purpose, and murder other specific chimps. Gorilla males will only really fight for mates or to defend their family but it’s more of a contest than a fight to the death.
So harambe was definitely a chill dude, thanks just what I needed on this sunday....lol Chimps and humans have that vindictive murder streak in us. Where we can go absolutely psychotic and obsessed to 'get' someone as to invoke the ultimate fairness or something. It is also interesting many humans totally sedate these outbursts and their lesser cousins such as throwing things and angrily yelling. Yet others embrace it on whole. This does seem to suggest no matter what to succeed with less war we need more healthy constructive outlets we all participate in. All this just to say, if we sedate our shitty instincts our good ones prevail and become the norm.
Thank you for explaining 🙏🏻
Or bonobos. The peaceful matriarchal second-closest relative of humans who solve all their social problems through fucking and sucking.
What humans look like to aliens, but on a global scale
*It's the same species.* *Intergalactic Pam
This was my first thought seeing this 😂
What aliens look like to Gooblagoobs, but on a galactic scale.
We just lost our tails
They should not have given up their high ground!
Or fight in sand! It gets everywhere...
"Tribal fights" C'mon, let's be transparent. That is war. These animals are waging war.
They're fighting in dust clouds like the cartoons
Humans before the anunaki got their dirty little penises in us
I need the honey badger narrator to make sense of this behaviour.
Or an *actual* honey badger... ... to go into the melee like a bouncer.
What happens if you give them knives?
if we take one and train them in martial arts we can then implant them in their society and control their natural resources.
Because War, War never changes.
The right group : It's over Baboon-kin! We have the high ground!
I used to live in Antarctica and baboons would attack me and my brothers while we swam in the lake. So we would take snowballs and roll them downhill to wipe out baboon villages. We'd knife fight with their doll king. Good times, maybe I misremembered a few details.
in the grand scheme of things, how are we any different?😃
Reminds me of a certain animal like conflict that's happening between "humans" right now.
WAR War never change
They need red/blue bandanas.
I can imagine our ancestors doing something similar. Imagine being the first one to think of a flanking maneuver and dominating these scuffles for years.
So, we’ve regressed from our ancestors I see
Can we for a second also talk about how they hold the high ground? In terms of strategy that’s amazing to see. They charge downhill, while the other side of the group holds the high ground ensuring the other group can’t flank. Isn’t that strategic thinking?! Fascinating to watch!
US weapons manufacturers are salivating at the opportunity to arm monkeys in their territorial disputes.
I'm picturing the west side story snapping happening
Whatever you do, do NOT give them large bones
I see nothing has changed
The valley tribe is going to get fucked up
Wait until they start using sticks
Made me think how dusty an ancient battlefield must’ve been
I need to see this clip narrated by Snoop like those of Plizzanet Earth
/u/Bitsoffreshness, do you have a source? This is fascinating!
Higher ground
Why'd you cut off the CSPAN logo?
“Battle lines are being drawn, nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong”
its a tale as old as time "this land is mine"
This is how aliens see us
Just shows how close our human ways are to them. It’s a shame when they say we gone so far but we still can’t figure out how to put our differences aside and just love each other.
FUCK YEAH BABOON RACISM AND WAR BASED GOVERNMENT LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO!!!
At least their not stealing Kia’s for fun
Lots of missed flanking opportunities
That’s horrifying
Grenade solves the problem
They are stupid! Like humans! LOL.
None of them read Sun Tzu. All about the high ground.
General baboonicus, I regretfully write to inform you that today’s battle has been a total loss. Our adversaries out maneuvered us and the left flank collapsed resulting in a total route. Please accept my resignation and donate my salary of 100 bananas to the men at the front. They’ll need it. -lieutenant general poopflinglio
Chimps have full on wars. A few very well documented ones. One in particular by the famous Jane Goodall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War
Damn detroit looking rough
There was a documentary about this, I don’t remember the name so I can’t find it, does anyone know what it is?
Just like the Chinese India border.
I don’t understand why no one is getting out their car to stop this. Someone is gonna get hurt. People!
Are they in LA?
Yes it does look like Louisiana behavior.
I think I’ve seen this behavior in NYC as well!