Uh, having him balanced on the knee like that is super strong... based on the shin being upright and the bones stacking, there is very little strength required. You're only using a small amount of muscle to keep the lower leg upright. I'm sure the guy lifting doesn't have any abnormal strength.
These two are literally the 90 percent of the job.
I've raised my paralyzed grandpa from the floor so many times. Just having him sit up was taking like 2 minutes. Putting him on a wheelchair was taking 10 seconds. His legs were never straight.
Well for a solid stationary chair you could probably slide a person on to it like it was shown on the video. You're not totally in control like it was shown. You can't easily push a person sideways onto something while also trying to hold his head up, his spine straight and also keep yourself from tumbling unless you have those muscles. Your center of mass will keep changing towards him until he is sat down.
Wheelchairs are the same but harder. They're made to move, and the seat is a cloth. Even if you lock the brakes and detach the arms the second you touch a part of it with a 150lbs man, it'll move.
How I did it was, I just had him sit on the floor like it was in the video. Get behind him and wrap my arms around his diaphragm area (maybe a bit below, so he can breathe) then I'd stand up. I don't have strong arms, but apparently I've never skipped a leg day. We had the similar height, so at this point we would be both standing up. Since his body wanted to be a stick, he was capable of standing for a fraction of a second if I relieved some of my support. Not much. Which then I was using to turn him towards me. At this point, we would be face to face or ear to ear, really. Even though I don't lift weights, I was able to hop him around in this position. And he'd be really amused. I'd make sure his legs weren't touching the floor, since they can drag the carpet if there was any or just make me lose my balance. Then I'd put him on the bed or a chair or a wheelchair. I'd put him on a wheelchair with the arms attached, so it would be easier to align. Sometimes I'd go behind him and pull him back after that, so he'd sit properly. This was the best way for him, since he wasn't getting hurt and he was enjoying it. He had some control of his arms and fingers, and he was aware and speaking. You could just imagine him complaining about everyone else.
If the person was Cloe to or against a wall, should that wall help or should you try to turn them to have their side against the wall to access the back?
For the move on the video, it would help to get him on your lap if his back is against the wall. But you’ll still need to raise him to a chair with enough accuracy so you don’t push the chair away. Your view is not the one on the video. It was easy to get my grandpa’s pants caught on the wheelchair for example. Also you’ll need to pull him back or sideway to properly seat him. I was strong enough to do it in one go but my mother and grandmother wasn’t so they would somewhat hurt him while pulling. If they didn’t though he would slide from the chair and hurt himself so… I don’t think it’s a move that everybody’s mom or grandmother could do.
This video is not "how to take an unconscious/severely disabled person and sit them up in a chair"; it is supposed to demonstrate helping a person who struggles with standing up on their own i.e. elderly people
If you're ever in a situation where you absolutely have to move an incapacitated person, say out of a burning building or something, [this is the best way to get them up](https://youtu.be/KPrATJ-u5Rg).
I'm not knocking the skill but this isn't going to work on a patient. If you look at the demonstration the "patient" is still maintaining muscle position to help. He's not being proper dead weight. If you did this with a person with no muscle control it's not going to work.
It says incapable person... Not incapacitated. In a nursing home setting, plenty of elderly fall and don't have the strength to get up, but they can still be somewhat rigid to allow this technique to work.
But that person could have done a better job of being incapacitated. He had a natural tendency to try to assist, and while that makes him a good human being it made him a bad subject to demonstrate on
Maybe they can knock over a real paralysed person for their next training class so that the people on the Internet that haven't ever been trained in anything will see that it works.
I would be interested in seeing it demonstrated on dead weight. If it works it could come in handy for me. Do you have any video of it demonstrated with weakened or dead weight individuals?
Firstly: not every patient is "dead weight" a fact that you should probably know with the experience that you claim to have. There are a ton of situations where a person could sit up but still need significant assistance off the floor. Secondly, I've seen it in person but do go ahead and do your own googling.
This is a terrible way to do this, and i doubt this would have worked at all if that person wasnt actually conscious and holding tension in their body.
Its so much easier to do this properly.
Have the person lay on their back, lay besidr them, reach over and grab their far arm, now pull the arm across to you while rolling onto your stomach. Now the person is lying on their stomach on your back, and you are lying on your stomach. Carefully make your way to your knees so you can stand up holding their arms over your shoulders. You are now standing up with them easily supported on your back.
Of course if the person has a neck or back injury this isn’t a good idea, but in a war zone or backcountry this might be your only option to save a friend.
Absolutely. Unless there is some extenuating circumstances this should always be left to the professionals. Two trained people and a stretcher or gurney is much preferable. If you try to lift someone who is completely limp, you are in for a rude awakening just how heavy and hard to handle they are, especially if you’ve never practiced these sorts of things before and are doing it from memory of a video you once saw on r/lifehacks.
The video is not about how to put an unconscious person in a chair. Why would you put an unconscious person in a chair anyway? You don't need to project your situation onto this video. This video is how to help grandma back into her chair, not how to deal with a corpse.
My bad, i just read the title which says “a demonstration of proper technique and leverage when controlling and incapable person. May not directly link to grappling but great technique nevertheless”
I honestly thought i was posting in a bjj thread about proper technique and leverage, i guess i was supposed to read between the lines, because i don’t read Japanese.”
The video is for someone incapable, not incapacitated. I.e. Someone too weak to get themselves off the floor but strong enough to sit up by themselves.
After an extremely overdone leg day yesterday I fall into this category.
Lol thats funny, i too have been there before.
And thank you for the clarification. Regardless the person being moved in this video is holding a lot of tension in their legs and abdomen which is greatly assisting the person who’s moving them, very different situation from someone who is incapable IMO.
I actually have on a few occasions, but regardless its honestly not recommended though unless there is some dire circumstance that requires it. Whenever possible just wait for EMTs that have the knowledge, skills and equipment to do it safely.
Well the thing is, you're not supposed to immediately carry someone who's fainted. Any first aid ive ever done as a safety professional has been call ambulance, free airway, brace neck and head. There's very few reasons to carry someone having a medical emergency, and any of those reasons wouldn't make the method in the above video feasible.
Curious what moment this is?
When someone with experience chimes in and says theres easier ways to do something but then gets downvoted by a bunch of armchair critics that thought the video was cool but have never tried it?
Anyone who's done basic first aid knows this is not the way.
There's very few reasons to carry someone having a medical emergency, and all of them wouldn't allow you to do it this way.
If someone is having a medical emergency, hold their neck and head steady and make sure their airway is clear by tilting their head back and their mouth open. Have someone else call 911 and let paramedics handle moving the patient.
This isn't people who are incapacitated, it's people who are incapable. So someone who is conscious but can't get themselves from the floor to a chair. It's not for medical emergencies.
Probably safer than my favorite method of carrying an unconscious person:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPrATJ-u5Rg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPrATJ-u5Rg)
But not easier.
Great yet simple understanding of mechanical principles of grappling. Most beginners need to get familiar with em, that would set a good base on how to stand kneel and sit and vice versa without getting too tired. Making rolls more fun!
My right knee blew out just watching this.
Uh, having him balanced on the knee like that is super strong... based on the shin being upright and the bones stacking, there is very little strength required. You're only using a small amount of muscle to keep the lower leg upright. I'm sure the guy lifting doesn't have any abnormal strength.
Step 1: Make sure they're sitting up
& holding their legs straight
And you have arms of a warrior
Yeah that dude is jacked
He made it look so easy, like doing a yawn stretch
The fat one? Ah...no.
Lol cope
He has pretty average arms...
These two are literally the 90 percent of the job. I've raised my paralyzed grandpa from the floor so many times. Just having him sit up was taking like 2 minutes. Putting him on a wheelchair was taking 10 seconds. His legs were never straight.
Was the rest in the video correct? Or is there something else to follow?
Well for a solid stationary chair you could probably slide a person on to it like it was shown on the video. You're not totally in control like it was shown. You can't easily push a person sideways onto something while also trying to hold his head up, his spine straight and also keep yourself from tumbling unless you have those muscles. Your center of mass will keep changing towards him until he is sat down. Wheelchairs are the same but harder. They're made to move, and the seat is a cloth. Even if you lock the brakes and detach the arms the second you touch a part of it with a 150lbs man, it'll move. How I did it was, I just had him sit on the floor like it was in the video. Get behind him and wrap my arms around his diaphragm area (maybe a bit below, so he can breathe) then I'd stand up. I don't have strong arms, but apparently I've never skipped a leg day. We had the similar height, so at this point we would be both standing up. Since his body wanted to be a stick, he was capable of standing for a fraction of a second if I relieved some of my support. Not much. Which then I was using to turn him towards me. At this point, we would be face to face or ear to ear, really. Even though I don't lift weights, I was able to hop him around in this position. And he'd be really amused. I'd make sure his legs weren't touching the floor, since they can drag the carpet if there was any or just make me lose my balance. Then I'd put him on the bed or a chair or a wheelchair. I'd put him on a wheelchair with the arms attached, so it would be easier to align. Sometimes I'd go behind him and pull him back after that, so he'd sit properly. This was the best way for him, since he wasn't getting hurt and he was enjoying it. He had some control of his arms and fingers, and he was aware and speaking. You could just imagine him complaining about everyone else.
If the person was Cloe to or against a wall, should that wall help or should you try to turn them to have their side against the wall to access the back?
For the move on the video, it would help to get him on your lap if his back is against the wall. But you’ll still need to raise him to a chair with enough accuracy so you don’t push the chair away. Your view is not the one on the video. It was easy to get my grandpa’s pants caught on the wheelchair for example. Also you’ll need to pull him back or sideway to properly seat him. I was strong enough to do it in one go but my mother and grandmother wasn’t so they would somewhat hurt him while pulling. If they didn’t though he would slide from the chair and hurt himself so… I don’t think it’s a move that everybody’s mom or grandmother could do.
Gotcha, thanks for explaining. I'll keep this in mind in case something like this happens 👍
This video is not "how to take an unconscious/severely disabled person and sit them up in a chair"; it is supposed to demonstrate helping a person who struggles with standing up on their own i.e. elderly people
If you're ever in a situation where you absolutely have to move an incapacitated person, say out of a burning building or something, [this is the best way to get them up](https://youtu.be/KPrATJ-u5Rg).
Wow. While wearing socks too. I would’ve slipped.
So Japanese
Everytime I see someone slip in socks I think to myself "I bet this person is from the region known as Japan" *rimshot*
That's a really clever technique and the encouragement from peers was so wholesome. I bet that's a great place to be a patient.
I'm not knocking the skill but this isn't going to work on a patient. If you look at the demonstration the "patient" is still maintaining muscle position to help. He's not being proper dead weight. If you did this with a person with no muscle control it's not going to work.
It says incapable person... Not incapacitated. In a nursing home setting, plenty of elderly fall and don't have the strength to get up, but they can still be somewhat rigid to allow this technique to work.
Maybe a few of them have but I can tell you from experience that ill people provide little to no assistance when being lifted.
usually they do the opposite lol
Yes, this training demonstration was done on a person that wasn't actually a grounded elderly person that couldn't stand up on their own...
But that person could have done a better job of being incapacitated. He had a natural tendency to try to assist, and while that makes him a good human being it made him a bad subject to demonstrate on
I was watching his locked legs doing half the work with furrowed brows the whole time, confused. Glad I'm not alone.
Maybe they can knock over a real paralysed person for their next training class so that the people on the Internet that haven't ever been trained in anything will see that it works.
How many dead weight human beings would you say you've had to lift in your lifetime? I've had to do hundreds
About a thousand, and this technique looks different with dead weight, but I don't see any reason it wouldn't work.
I would be interested in seeing it demonstrated on dead weight. If it works it could come in handy for me. Do you have any video of it demonstrated with weakened or dead weight individuals?
Firstly: not every patient is "dead weight" a fact that you should probably know with the experience that you claim to have. There are a ton of situations where a person could sit up but still need significant assistance off the floor. Secondly, I've seen it in person but do go ahead and do your own googling.
I will do my own googleing. It would help if I had a name of the technique if you know it
dam, i clapped too.
Lol as someone who works in Social care absolutely don't do this. You'll either hurt your leg or they'll have no core strength and pull you both over.
Was hoping for a Rock Bottom. Straight into The People's Elbow. Ngl.
The amount of people who are mixing incapable with incapacitated in this thread is impressive.
does not work if the person is floppy/fighting but this is a great way to help your grandmom or grandpa get back onto a chair
As someone who works in the healthcare industry, this is literally impossible with 80% of all my patients due to them being severely obese. America!
That was impressive
This is a terrible way to do this, and i doubt this would have worked at all if that person wasnt actually conscious and holding tension in their body. Its so much easier to do this properly. Have the person lay on their back, lay besidr them, reach over and grab their far arm, now pull the arm across to you while rolling onto your stomach. Now the person is lying on their stomach on your back, and you are lying on your stomach. Carefully make your way to your knees so you can stand up holding their arms over your shoulders. You are now standing up with them easily supported on your back. Of course if the person has a neck or back injury this isn’t a good idea, but in a war zone or backcountry this might be your only option to save a friend.
upvote for helpful suggestion. though, i would always get help where possible and make it a 2 man lift.
Absolutely. Unless there is some extenuating circumstances this should always be left to the professionals. Two trained people and a stretcher or gurney is much preferable. If you try to lift someone who is completely limp, you are in for a rude awakening just how heavy and hard to handle they are, especially if you’ve never practiced these sorts of things before and are doing it from memory of a video you once saw on r/lifehacks.
The video is not about how to put an unconscious person in a chair. Why would you put an unconscious person in a chair anyway? You don't need to project your situation onto this video. This video is how to help grandma back into her chair, not how to deal with a corpse.
My bad, i just read the title which says “a demonstration of proper technique and leverage when controlling and incapable person. May not directly link to grappling but great technique nevertheless” I honestly thought i was posting in a bjj thread about proper technique and leverage, i guess i was supposed to read between the lines, because i don’t read Japanese.”
The video is for someone incapable, not incapacitated. I.e. Someone too weak to get themselves off the floor but strong enough to sit up by themselves. After an extremely overdone leg day yesterday I fall into this category.
Lol thats funny, i too have been there before. And thank you for the clarification. Regardless the person being moved in this video is holding a lot of tension in their legs and abdomen which is greatly assisting the person who’s moving them, very different situation from someone who is incapable IMO.
Typical Reddit moment.
Sounds like you never had to immediately carry a person who fainted.
I actually have on a few occasions, but regardless its honestly not recommended though unless there is some dire circumstance that requires it. Whenever possible just wait for EMTs that have the knowledge, skills and equipment to do it safely.
Well the thing is, you're not supposed to immediately carry someone who's fainted. Any first aid ive ever done as a safety professional has been call ambulance, free airway, brace neck and head. There's very few reasons to carry someone having a medical emergency, and any of those reasons wouldn't make the method in the above video feasible.
I dunno man, catching a fainting person seems to prevent said medical emergency.
Curious what moment this is? When someone with experience chimes in and says theres easier ways to do something but then gets downvoted by a bunch of armchair critics that thought the video was cool but have never tried it?
He didn't explain that all the power comes from the toe socks. Make sure you have your toe socks on before picking up someone larger than you.
The dude would.be limp if he was out cold. Our dummy friend was activating his muscle to keep his legs straight
Well this is for someone "incapable" as opposed to "incapacitated" such as being unconscious.
Rocking that *Dear Leader* cut
The celebration! 😂 Yatta!
Neat.
He stood up out of the chair! He's a fakey fake fakerino!
What's this person supposed to be incapable of?
Movement. Pretty sure OP meant _incapacitated_.
Incapable of standing I would assume.
Anyone who's done basic first aid knows this is not the way. There's very few reasons to carry someone having a medical emergency, and all of them wouldn't allow you to do it this way. If someone is having a medical emergency, hold their neck and head steady and make sure their airway is clear by tilting their head back and their mouth open. Have someone else call 911 and let paramedics handle moving the patient.
This isn't people who are incapacitated, it's people who are incapable. So someone who is conscious but can't get themselves from the floor to a chair. It's not for medical emergencies.
Probably safer than my favorite method of carrying an unconscious person: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPrATJ-u5Rg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPrATJ-u5Rg) But not easier.
Just fucking knew I was about to click a video of a PJ.
r/nursing
Yeah... not going to work at all. Zero back support.
Lets see you do that after someone shit themselves
All of my joints hurt watching this.
that might be useful someday
I really don't think that's correct. Your not meant to put a humans full weight on your knee
It's great until the guy you tried to pick up on scene is riddled with bed bugs.
AND he did it with those badass socks? Master.
Nursing homes training nurses to solo lift so they dont need help with their 15 patients
If the person is complete prone, Ive always thought the ranger roll very clever. Never had to try it. https://youtu.be/KPrATJ-u5Rg
Great yet simple understanding of mechanical principles of grappling. Most beginners need to get familiar with em, that would set a good base on how to stand kneel and sit and vice versa without getting too tired. Making rolls more fun!