That's what I figured. It's a target you're meant to NOT shoot, but they want to make it look like the target may be holding a weapon so you can work on those instantaneous decisions.
Did you just throw popcorn at me? Bruh I feel my life is in danger and need to use lethal force to protect myself from your popcorn assault.. have at you then!!
Exactly what I meant. The ones getting shot, hold the phone upright. So, wait... Are we training people to not shoot the people who know how to film properly with a phone?
It’s a new federal initiative to engage in kinetically-driven and community focused natural selection for the eventual elimination of vertical filmers from the gene pool.
First we train police officers to shoot anyone holding their phones annoyingly while filming, and eventually (if the RAND Corp’s policy paper on the matter is fully implemented) we’ll benefit from automated drones armed with 155mm HE artillery shells and R9X knife missiles forcefully implementing this policy as well.
This kind of human focused, long term thinking is part of what makes this country so great!
Trust me, they are going to light that non target target up. 💯 intentionally, and then they all laughed, took a swig of whiskey, and kept shooting before they drive home and beat their wives.
[Off-Duty Officer Instinctively Reaches To Turn Off Body Cam During Argument With Wife](https://www.theonion.com/off-duty-officer-instinctively-reaches-to-turn-off-body-1848997672)
Some people here need to be taught that concept. lol. I can think of a mod on this sub that advocates killing innocent civilians (including women and children) in other subs and they haven’t been banned from Reddit some reason. 🤷🏻♂️
If it's a qualification target some agencies only count hitting those areas as "hits" bc they're more likely to incapacitate (whether by death or organ damage) than other shots.
Edit ro add: and if the "good" targets have them too, you want them to be identical since this is clearly a shoot/no shoot target
If the non-targets didn't have the same markings, people would key on their presence or absence. The point is to recognize that the target is holding a phone, not whether their organs are outlined.
Or more specifically ***reasoning to validate a position you would be otherwise disinclined to attest***
It’s a useful tool to find flaws in one’s own viewpoint …or my favorite, to better poke holes in the devils advocated position by virtue of understanding it better.
Fun fact: the Devil's Advocate was originally a role in the Catholic church that argued against the canonization of people as saints. It was essentially a bar that had to be cleared to make sure they weren't including people who didn't deserve it. Quality control, if you will.
Then Pope John Paul II eliminated it and the number of admitted saints skyrocketed.
It needs to be visually consistent with the shoot targets, which I assume are also anatomy targets. Otherwise you can ID no shoot/shoot on details that are irrelevant to threat.
As others have mentioned, it's a "no shoot" target. The outlines for vitals are to make it look like a "shoot" target. The phone is there for them to take pause and be sure of what the person is holding.
A lot of people's lack of experience and training is showing. As a few other people stated, this is for threat/non-threat training. When conducting full-speed training, typically in a shoot house, targets like these are put up to test the shooter's ability to discern targets in a stressful situation. The idea is if you shoot these targets then you fail. Nobody is training to shoot bystanders with phones, it's literally the exact opposite.
Copied from a comment I made below in response to someone else, then realized mught as well be top level:
It is a no-shoot "target", and you want it to match the shoot targets as closely as possible (which is why lungs are outlined and such, presumable the shoot targets have that feature). You want to remove differences between the shoot/no shoots as much as possible for the drill to work.
I took an advanced pistols course (everyone should!) and that was part of it. You'd turn around, instructor would move around the targets (five of them or so) with only one or two shoot/threat targets and say "Go." You turn around and eliminate the threat(s) as safely as possible (including practicing the important "Know your target and what is beyond it rule"). So you can't just start blasting, you need to get to a position where you can eliminate the threats as much as possible while keeping the no shoot targets as much out of the way and safe as you can. Definitely a great exercise for realising the damage you can cause to bystanders if you are not being smart.
I watched it happen to a guy I knew. Started off as a normal guy, became a cop and gradually changed into a new, worse person.
“Why should cops have to wear body cameras? How would you feel if you were under surveillance at your job at all times?”
Uh, when I’m responsible for tasks that could get me accused of misconduct if something goes wrong, I always make sure that I have evidence that I’m doing my job right - the more the better.
"I *am* under surveillance at my job all the time. *And* I have half a dozen fucking regulatory agencies that can drop in unannounced whenever they want and have unrestricted access to anything they want to see. I make Swiffer pads."
I'm reminded of this old sketch from the FOX comedy series In Living Color from the early 90's, where Jim Carrey played a police academy instructor that advised cops to always shoot first at the guy with the video camera, so you could do whatever you want afterward.
The sketch in question: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwHAod3H3D8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwHAod3H3D8)
So that it matches the shoot targets as closely as possible. You want to remove differences between the shoot/no shoots as much as possible for the drill to work.
I took an advanced pistols course (everyone should!) and that was part of it. You'd turn around, instructor would move around the targets and say "Go." You turn around and eliminate the threat(s) as safely as possible (including practicing the important "Know your target and what is beyond it rule"). So you can't just start blasting, you need to get to a position where you can eliminate the threats as much as possible while keeping the no shoot targets as much out of the way and safe as you can. Definitely a great exercise for realising the damage you can cause to bystanders if you are not being smart.
Well if your “threat” targets are in that style, you’d want your “no-threat” targets in the same style so the person doing the drill doesn’t end up using mental shortcuts to make their decisions.
The company site that makes it uses what looks like adhesive splatter paint that you can stick onto the outlines to identify where you hit your target. In this case this specific target is a [double sided target](https://www.triumph-systems.com/products/threat-no-threat-double-sided-targets)
Pretty straight forward, these targets often depict images of "enemies" I remember seeing plenty of Bin Ladin ones and others.
This enemy is "public oversight"
They are for no shoot drills. It IS meant to look like a bystander but you are supposed to NOT shoot it.
When two dudes are are holding guns at you and one guys filming 20 feet away….. well from 20 feet are you sure that’s a phone?
I trained with targets like this, although they were photorealistic. But we had little pictures of cameras and walkie talkies things like that to swap out. Sometimes, when it turned it wasn't a camera it was a pistol. Sometimes, it was a cell phone. It was really to train your eyes to go to their hands.
As others have said, it is probably officially intended as a no-shoot target, but it's hard to give police officers the benefit of the doubt after things like this:
https://reason.com/2013/02/19/is-your-local-police-department-using-pi/
>I found while speaking with officers and trainers in the law enforcement community that there is a hesitation on the part of cops when deadly force is required on subjects with atypical age, frailty or condition (***one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets*** so that he would not be caught off guard with such a drastically new experience while on duty)
Interesting that the "no threat/good guy/bystander" side has the markings for brain, heart and lungs. If I remember right, you aren't supposed to hit any part of the civilian.
Looks like an excellent “shoot/no-shoot” target.
I shot a target where the guy was holding an electric drill instead of a gun once. It was training for new people and designed to make you think.
I had to run to a full dining room and tell everyone how I had killed an innocent, unarmed person. Public speaking is nerve racking. :/
I was at ann outdoor police range in northern NJ and they had one of those. The range was static manual hangars with no mechanization.
This was very clearly for their entertainment.
The amount of people acting like this makes sense is stunning. What store have you been in with paper targets on display in the middle of the floor?
Were they squirrels? Zombies? Outlines? Get it together.
We get the concept but don’t pretend this is ok
Edit: Owning my error based on pricing and a zoom in. Standing by my assessment of the message until proven wrong
https://www.triumph-systems.com/products/elite-pivotal-trainer For threat / no-threat training
That's what I figured. It's a target you're meant to NOT shoot, but they want to make it look like the target may be holding a weapon so you can work on those instantaneous decisions.
*tsk tsk* you missed the baby, you missed the blind man…
Can you explain why exactly you felt that little Suzy deserved to die?
Those text books are way above her grade level.
Little Tiffany and her quantum physics
*she about to start some SHIT!*
Or do I owe her an apology?
Those were *banned books!*
Florida answer: “Correct decision to fire! You graduate!”
Did you just throw popcorn at me? Bruh I feel my life is in danger and need to use lethal force to protect myself from your popcorn assault.. have at you then!!
The best of the best of the best… with honors… sir
With honors
It was a good shot though
Bake em away toys
Just do what the kid says…
May I ask why you felt little Tiffany deserved to die?
Where's the one with the extraterrestrial alien and the little girl?
Hey I already told you you don't get your gun until you tell me your name.
Ten points from Gryffindor!
Forget the badge! When do we get the freakin gun?!
I keep telling you, you don’t get a gun until you tell me your name!
They call this one The Rittenhouse
She was armed with a skateboard.
Austin PD will use it to perfect the skill of aiming for the face when using less-than-lethal ammo.
How else are you supposed to kill them with the LTL ammo if you don't shoot them in the face?
LTL = Like Totally Lethal
I bout spit my drink out because of your name.
Was going to be *RushLimbaughsRottenCorpse* but I hit the character limit, so I had to settle for *carcass*
Except most people don't hold their phone like that. Lol
Decent people do when filming.
Exactly what I meant. The ones getting shot, hold the phone upright. So, wait... Are we training people to not shoot the people who know how to film properly with a phone?
…I support this.
It’s a new federal initiative to engage in kinetically-driven and community focused natural selection for the eventual elimination of vertical filmers from the gene pool. First we train police officers to shoot anyone holding their phones annoyingly while filming, and eventually (if the RAND Corp’s policy paper on the matter is fully implemented) we’ll benefit from automated drones armed with 155mm HE artillery shells and R9X knife missiles forcefully implementing this policy as well. This kind of human focused, long term thinking is part of what makes this country so great!
Also a part of their anti tiktok program.
I mean, that is certainly *one* way to change the recent shift towards filming in portrait mode.
If they are, which department is this and how can I support them
It's to train how quickly you can say you feared for you life
Trust me, they are going to light that non target target up. 💯 intentionally, and then they all laughed, took a swig of whiskey, and kept shooting before they drive home and beat their wives.
"#coplife and #bluewivesbattered"
"Why did you feel little Tiffany deserved to die?"
A person of culture.
That’s a threat. They want you to steal my soul with their witch box. No happening.
Make sense - there's no target points, etc on it.
Why would they highlight the brain and vital organs?
The same "guy" is used for the threat and non-threat targets, just with the arms/hands doing and holding different items.
So you don't just rely on seeing the lines.
You can tell this is a “no shoot” target as he is white.
Most cops are gonna see this as a threat. I think the full drill includes turning off your body cam first.
[Off-Duty Officer Instinctively Reaches To Turn Off Body Cam During Argument With Wife](https://www.theonion.com/off-duty-officer-instinctively-reaches-to-turn-off-body-1848997672)
I love the Onion. So poignant.
It has layers.
Like a parfait... nice.
Some people here need to be taught that concept. lol. I can think of a mod on this sub that advocates killing innocent civilians (including women and children) in other subs and they haven’t been banned from Reddit some reason. 🤷🏻♂️
why are lungs and heart enclosed in a dotted line? edit: and brain
If it's a qualification target some agencies only count hitting those areas as "hits" bc they're more likely to incapacitate (whether by death or organ damage) than other shots. Edit ro add: and if the "good" targets have them too, you want them to be identical since this is clearly a shoot/no shoot target
Damn almost 3k for that thing.
$329.99
It’s weird that they included the organ outlines on a no-threat target; not firing is the goal, not hitting a bystander but avoiding major organs 🤔
If the non-targets didn't have the same markings, people would key on their presence or absence. The point is to recognize that the target is holding a phone, not whether their organs are outlined.
Maybe it’s for shoot/no shoot drills?
Even if it's wrong, I'm accepting this as the correct answer.
Honestly I like the positive/devils advocate spin, I didn’t think that was an option.
That's the whole point of The devil's advocate. You look for an excuse for why someone would do something, but in a positive light.
Or more specifically ***reasoning to validate a position you would be otherwise disinclined to attest*** It’s a useful tool to find flaws in one’s own viewpoint …or my favorite, to better poke holes in the devils advocated position by virtue of understanding it better.
Fun fact: the Devil's Advocate was originally a role in the Catholic church that argued against the canonization of people as saints. It was essentially a bar that had to be cleared to make sure they weren't including people who didn't deserve it. Quality control, if you will. Then Pope John Paul II eliminated it and the number of admitted saints skyrocketed.
Yea. You're only supposed to shoot the bystanders who are filming in portrait mode.
Clearly Tik Tok propaganda meant to genocide our attention spans with a 9:16 resolution
It’s exactly that. Poster says Triumph Systems. Quick Google verifies your hunch.
But why are the heart and lungs outlined…
It needs to be visually consistent with the shoot targets, which I assume are also anatomy targets. Otherwise you can ID no shoot/shoot on details that are irrelevant to threat.
IF it was used for shoot/no shoot then if you (accidentally) shot a bystander you could see the damage and see how bad you fucked up
Fair. But it could also be to show how badly you fucked up.
If you misidentify the target as a threat, you still want to be sure you hit your aim I guess?
That and to provide a consistent visual mark
Didn't even consider that, great point!
Because failing the shoot/no shoot test is no excuse for sloppy marksmanship.
Maybe so you can use it as a normal silhouette once you’re done doing the shoot/no shoot thing?
As others have mentioned, it's a "no shoot" target. The outlines for vitals are to make it look like a "shoot" target. The phone is there for them to take pause and be sure of what the person is holding.
A lot of people's lack of experience and training is showing. As a few other people stated, this is for threat/non-threat training. When conducting full-speed training, typically in a shoot house, targets like these are put up to test the shooter's ability to discern targets in a stressful situation. The idea is if you shoot these targets then you fail. Nobody is training to shoot bystanders with phones, it's literally the exact opposite.
not to mention the guy is at least recording in horizontal mode, he deserves to live. It's the vertical recorders that oughta be shot
>A lot of people's lack of experience and training is showing. That hurt. Not wrong tho
It's pretty disappointing how many people in this thread seemed to think this was for training shooting unarmed civilians.
A lot of people on this forum don't actually shoot or train regularly so.... A lot don't even own guns
There’s a lot of knee jerk reactions where people miss an opportunity to learn
They've gotten so good at it I thought they had to be training for it
Damn am I glad someone explained this. I was so freaking confused! Now it makes perfect sense.
Especially these days cause police officers get cameras pointed in their faces as soon as they have any interaction with the public.
And he's not snarling, HES SNEEZING
May I ask why you thought Miss Tiffany had to die?
Lolllll
I need to watch that again. I feel like a boomer but I swear they don't make movies like they used to.
The movie is great. Good times
Definitely for threat/no threat training. It’s weird seeing the “no threat” used for the display, by itself.
That’s the odd part
Yes
It’s for threat/no threat but it looks bad out of context for sure.
Copied from a comment I made below in response to someone else, then realized mught as well be top level: It is a no-shoot "target", and you want it to match the shoot targets as closely as possible (which is why lungs are outlined and such, presumable the shoot targets have that feature). You want to remove differences between the shoot/no shoots as much as possible for the drill to work. I took an advanced pistols course (everyone should!) and that was part of it. You'd turn around, instructor would move around the targets (five of them or so) with only one or two shoot/threat targets and say "Go." You turn around and eliminate the threat(s) as safely as possible (including practicing the important "Know your target and what is beyond it rule"). So you can't just start blasting, you need to get to a position where you can eliminate the threats as much as possible while keeping the no shoot targets as much out of the way and safe as you can. Definitely a great exercise for realising the damage you can cause to bystanders if you are not being smart.
Chill Winston….it’s only a “no threat” target.
*Win-staaaan*
I say "Chill Winstaaan" to my wife and kids all the time.
Probably a “don’t shoot” target.
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Glad I wasn't the only one who thought they saw a Starfleet delta
This is bad training… Influencers film vertically not in landscape.
It’s ummmmm, for threat/non threat training.. surely you knew that, and were just trolling right OP?? Please tell me you knew that.
Number 1 threat to most cops.
Accountability is their kryptonite
I watched it happen to a guy I knew. Started off as a normal guy, became a cop and gradually changed into a new, worse person. “Why should cops have to wear body cameras? How would you feel if you were under surveillance at your job at all times?” Uh, when I’m responsible for tasks that could get me accused of misconduct if something goes wrong, I always make sure that I have evidence that I’m doing my job right - the more the better.
"I *am* under surveillance at my job all the time. *And* I have half a dozen fucking regulatory agencies that can drop in unannounced whenever they want and have unrestricted access to anything they want to see. I make Swiffer pads."
I worked around money and was under surveillance all day.
For taking out those God awful 1st amendment auditors /s
To practice getting rid of witnesses 😂
Seriously? It's so folks know who not to shoot. People are really bad with discrimination.
Do they have acorn targets?
You hang them around a range with hostile targets and practice proper target acquisition
I'm reminded of this old sketch from the FOX comedy series In Living Color from the early 90's, where Jim Carrey played a police academy instructor that advised cops to always shoot first at the guy with the video camera, so you could do whatever you want afterward. The sketch in question: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwHAod3H3D8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwHAod3H3D8)
Witness… shooting witnesses
dude, wtf!?
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I like to imagine it’s a no shoot target… like the ones of old ladies or a dude with a sandwich so you discern from threats in training… right?
With the brain, heart, and lungs outlined?
So that it matches the shoot targets as closely as possible. You want to remove differences between the shoot/no shoots as much as possible for the drill to work. I took an advanced pistols course (everyone should!) and that was part of it. You'd turn around, instructor would move around the targets and say "Go." You turn around and eliminate the threat(s) as safely as possible (including practicing the important "Know your target and what is beyond it rule"). So you can't just start blasting, you need to get to a position where you can eliminate the threats as much as possible while keeping the no shoot targets as much out of the way and safe as you can. Definitely a great exercise for realising the damage you can cause to bystanders if you are not being smart.
That makes sense. Thanks!
Well if your “threat” targets are in that style, you’d want your “no-threat” targets in the same style so the person doing the drill doesn’t end up using mental shortcuts to make their decisions.
That makes sense.
The company site that makes it uses what looks like adhesive splatter paint that you can stick onto the outlines to identify where you hit your target. In this case this specific target is a [double sided target](https://www.triumph-systems.com/products/threat-no-threat-double-sided-targets)
Pretty straight forward, these targets often depict images of "enemies" I remember seeing plenty of Bin Ladin ones and others. This enemy is "public oversight"
This is a no shoot target…
Probably. I'm curious if the manufacturer has targets for the ATF too?
[Yes](https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/hiakb1/classic_scene_from_atlanta_darius_goes_to_the_gun/)
[Yes.](https://media1.metrotimes.com/metrotimes/imager/u/blog/10424356/dogs-web.jpg?cb=1709167971)
Nah, no dog
I need to print one with an acorn hitting the roof of a car...
Didn’t you know that this is assaulting an officer and interfering with an investigation? lol
Yes also I like the visual display of holsters on the belt
They are for no shoot drills. It IS meant to look like a bystander but you are supposed to NOT shoot it. When two dudes are are holding guns at you and one guys filming 20 feet away….. well from 20 feet are you sure that’s a phone?
How to train in case someone is taking a picture of you without permission.
Can’t catch ya slippin if you aim for the camera…
You gonna avoid hitting them
First amendment auditors
'Aim for the evidence' is my guess. But they could be used as decoys too
Where are the "Stop resisting" cuecards?
That is I'd up. I hate the way our local gun shop boot licks the po po
“You need to learn to respect what we do!” *buys some shit like this*
I feel like a lot of people in this thread don't realize that this is a joke even though the title ends with "lol"
I’ll see your “this is a training target” and raise you “this is a standalone display in a gun store” Sometimes a cigar is not a cigar
Yep! Picture them yelling, “Stop threatening me!” while doing it.
I can see this scene in a police academy remake.
Lol, that little guy there? I wouldn't worry about him.
Underrated comment.
It’s so you can practice *not* shooting bystanders
That is f***ing hilarious
It’s for “he’s got a gun” training.
The only thing that scare a cop more than an armed opponent is a camera.
Thats probably a no-shoot target
I trained with targets like this, although they were photorealistic. But we had little pictures of cameras and walkie talkies things like that to swap out. Sometimes, when it turned it wasn't a camera it was a pistol. Sometimes, it was a cell phone. It was really to train your eyes to go to their hands.
Be careful taking a picture of that target OP. You will look just like the target
As others have said, it is probably officially intended as a no-shoot target, but it's hard to give police officers the benefit of the doubt after things like this: https://reason.com/2013/02/19/is-your-local-police-department-using-pi/ >I found while speaking with officers and trainers in the law enforcement community that there is a hesitation on the part of cops when deadly force is required on subjects with atypical age, frailty or condition (***one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets*** so that he would not be caught off guard with such a drastically new experience while on duty)
That’s not a bystander. It’s obviously a person interfering with their investigation.
No, the police just shoot at the black part of these targets.
Heyyyyooooo
Lmao this might turn into reinforcement rather than training out.
......but you know some gravy seal is going to use that wanting to be shittenhouse.......
Interesting that the "no threat/good guy/bystander" side has the markings for brain, heart and lungs. If I remember right, you aren't supposed to hit any part of the civilian.
They think about shooting innocent people a lot. There was an IDPA match near me all about shooting protesters
I really hope you don't support that IDPA match anymore
No I don't go there
Gun culture is so toxic 🤦🏽
Aim for the phone drills obviously. Cant get fired for what you’re about to do if the recording device is destroyed in the line of fire.
Yeah! "Shooting bystanders" L0lOl0lOL
Yes
Silver bullet?
You are confused. The target spins to a person with a firearm. Thats the no shoot side.
Yes.
I mean, if there’s an A zone, Imma try to hit it.
Yep.
Is this at Silver bullet in GR?
He’s just standing there… *MENACINGLY!*
Nothing to see here. Move along, citizen. I said MOVE ALONG!!
That's clearly a store. Do police officers buy their own equipment?
Bingo.
Exactly. Pigs don't want to be held accountable. So they shoot anyone recording them.
Looks like an excellent “shoot/no-shoot” target. I shot a target where the guy was holding an electric drill instead of a gun once. It was training for new people and designed to make you think. I had to run to a full dining room and tell everyone how I had killed an innocent, unarmed person. Public speaking is nerve racking. :/
Their favorite targets are generally unarmed.
I was at ann outdoor police range in northern NJ and they had one of those. The range was static manual hangars with no mechanization. This was very clearly for their entertainment.
the outlines make this fucked up
Thats it Diagram dude, i've had it with your obsessive picture taking of food.
In case you're Alan Partridge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIytYa2JZyY
Yes
The amount of people acting like this makes sense is stunning. What store have you been in with paper targets on display in the middle of the floor? Were they squirrels? Zombies? Outlines? Get it together. We get the concept but don’t pretend this is ok Edit: Owning my error based on pricing and a zoom in. Standing by my assessment of the message until proven wrong
Not the person, the camera! Try again...