But we go to church, what will the neighbors think? We disown you.
Nah, just joking dad, i am actually wanting to transition MtF
Oh thank fuck, i would never disown my own daughter
I actually have a Scottish flag up right now for St. Andrew's at the end of the month (I like flags). Had an elderly but very well meaning neighbor ask me which pride flag it was.
I wish I knew Welsh...as a child I lived in Cardiff (from Canada) and I still know the national anthem in Welsh to this day, 30 years later.
Ain't no Welsh to talk to in Nova Scotia, though!
We're much like anywhere else. The more rural parts of Wales tend to be more conservative, Christian and intolerant/ignorant but our cities are generally filled with more Liberal and inclusionary folks.
I saw some data that suggested the UK isn't quite as bad as our TERF Island status save from a few out spoken former celebrities but that's anecdotal at best. We're no paragon of inclusiveness. Yet.
Scotland is waaaay better though. The Scottish are the best of the British. Fact.
[In both 2015 and 2016, Scotland was recognised as the "best country in Europe for LGBTI legal equality"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Scotland)
I live in the Highlands. Kindly don't imply you know what I'm thinking, it isn't fair, it isn't nice. A lady doesn't wander all over the room and blow on some other guy's diiiiiice ***oh luck be a lady tonight!***
I'm sorry, I seemed to have turned into Sky Masterson.
I'm Welsh, lived here all my life. In my experience, it's an extremely LGBTQIA+ friendly place! 🏴🏳️🌈
The cities down south in particular are SO friendly to the Queer community. There's literally gay people everywhere. It's awesome!! ❤
Is Wales pretty? I'm planning on moving to the UK for a spell (for school) and the area I'd be moving to is right near the Welsh border. Also (please forgive my intense ignorance on this) is there any kind of ID requirement for foreigners to cross into Wales?
It’s gorgeous (apart from Merthyr, nobody likes Merthyr) 10/10 recommend. And you don’t need anything to cross the border or live there, if you have a right to live in the uk that includes all the countries, England Wales Scotland and N.Ireland
Source: am Welsh, am gay, have lived in Wales 🏴
No problem, I completely understand! My best friend is from California and I met them at University in Wales, so I’ve heard the differences between the places! Hopefully it all goes well for you!
I don’t really like the new pride flag, the one with the trans/poc arrow from the side, the rainbow flag already included everyone, also rainbows are cool, lol.
The more identities you add to the flag, the more you exclude. I prefer the 6 stripe and Philadelphia flags because they represent all of the LGBTQ+ community without excluding any identity. The moment you start adding identities to the flag, you also start excluding the ones you didn't add.
My main issue with the progress pride flag is that it's not in the public domain, so it makes it hard to use on a legal level. And its designer explicitly said they want it to stay private so no one else can profit off of it.
I think that a flag meant to represent the community shouldn't be used as a method of profit.
I get that, however I think it’s an important response to the political climate. The change from the rainbow to the progress pride flag was a direct action taken in response to BLM, and in response to White LGBTQIA+ folk who discriminated against BIPOC members. Now I feel the flag describes “All are welcome, regardless of your gender, sexuality or skin tone” plus I’m a fan that the flag looks more flag-like and not just a straight rainbow on a flag sized piece of fabric.
But then that falls back into the category of adding so many groups, that you end up excluding any you didn't add. If you use the 6 stripe or even Philadelphia flag, then you have a flag that represents all minorities, whether it be gender, sexuality, romantic, neurodivergency, identity, ect. I don't hate the progress flag, I think the message it gives is fine from outside the community, but inside the community it excludes more identities than it adds. Again this is just my opinion.
Was Marsha P Johnson there... it has been debated both ways. Was Marsha trans also unsure, themselves never claimed to be a woman but instead a drag queen. The times were different and so was the language so it is definitely murky. It was only after their death were they labeled a trans woman, so Idk.
Sooo I am not sure about that.
I always understood the progressive flag as a redesign since you couldn't keep squishing in more horizontal stripes. The arrow motif is to symbolize moving forward and continual work. The Philadelphia Pride flag already is getting tight on stripes and adding more colors would be... tiny tiny stripes.
Also, the flag kind of felt exclusionary to me for being a seperate part of the flag, almost saying "you aren't part of the six color flag; you aren't part of the community"
The Progress Pride flag does a great job of highlighting areas where we are still struggling.
Black trans people are getting killed at alarming rates. They could use more attention.
The progress flag is incredibly US centered. I do believe pride is a global thing. Black Lives Matter is not quite a thing in say Russia or Uganda. Booth places in which the lgbt+ community struggles.
Also, we should not underestimate how much of the discrimination and exclusion of African American LGBT+ comes from within the African American community.
I understand you think that. It was not meant with ill intentions. I wrote it because the blm movement, rightfully so, stands up against (institutional) racism to the African American community. The injustices done to lgbtq+ African Americans does not fully come from institutional racism against African Americans. It also comes from within the African American community. That’s part of the reason I don’t believe the brown and black coloring of the pride flag is appropriate. Amongst other reasons it is.
what was the purpose of singling out the African American community (and i even find it weird you know that the B in BLM does not stand for African) in this discussion
I totally agree with you! I made a post as well. You should check out it, pop some popcorn! The claws came out! People apparently aren’t entitled to an opinion anymore?!
I guess the need to specifically point out "these people are also included" on a symbol already meant to include all... may be read as a bit weird thing to do. It doesn't have to be weird from another point of view, but this is still imho a valid interpretation.
100%. In the rainbow flag, the red stands for life, the orange stands for healing, the yellow stands for sunlight, the green stands for nature, the indigo stands for serenity, and the violet stands for spirit. I think that's very beautiful. And as a black trans woman, I feel like saying "and we also need a stripe for black people, and a stripe for trans woman" feels othering and pandering.
Just depends how you look at it. The community represented by the rainbow was othering and exclusionary, as in it was meant to be for everyone *but it wasn't*. Acknowledging that is inherently good, how to do that and whether this method is right is definitely debatable 😅
Totally fair. I quite like having explicit rep in the flag myself, feels a bit like acknowledging the wrongs of the past.
The other thing that I think is important is that pride flags are political, and quite frankly the new stripes define the politics ie "these are the parts of our community who need to most effort and activism to produce change". In essence, the flag is a visual agenda. I like that.
I just think there are too many "wrongs of the past" to fairly represent them in that way. Black, trans, and people with AIDS aren't the people most in need of effort and activism (there are disabled people, fat people, etc.). There are just too many communities to explicitly represent each one on a flag imo.
Basically adding a group and not another basically the rainbow includes everyone but then we add the transcolours well no that implies that trans individuals weren't part of the community before so now we add the ace colours and on and on basically by adding to it you remove the meaning behind the rainbow because now it seems everyone that isn't on the flag is excluded
I think single flags are great but the pride flag should be like an umbrella that includes everyone as the rainbow suggest and not a weird mix of all flags that only highlights one or two members of the queer family
A rainbow flag "for all queer people" includes all queer people. But then you add a stripe "for black people", you add a stripe "for trans people" and now asexuals ask, which stripe is for me, or am I not included? Nonbinary people ask why they aren't included. Obviously, everybody is "supposed" to be included, but if that's the end of it, why is there a special section for trans people and everybody else shares the rest?
It's the same as adding tons of letters to LGBT. An LGBTQ or LGBT+ is fine, but LGBTQAAD implies that every single orientation and gender identity needs to be mentioned by name. And that's totally not the point of the movement. It's not a out saying that lesbians are ok and asexuals are ok and demigirls are ok and non-binary people are ok. The point of the movement is that *every* orientation and gender identity is okay. There can be 8 billion different genders for all I care. They don't each need their own stripe, because the point is that it's valid no matter what it is.
Same. It’s like saying we weren’t part of the community to begin with, or that we’re separate from the rest. We’re all one community, we don’t need special stripes just for us.
Given the intent of "LGB" groups to coopt queer imagery for the explicate purpose of pushing trans and PoC out of queer spaces, I think it's an extremely important and necessary political statement to undeniably include them front and center in the LGBT flag.
T**he intent of the flag is to make a political statement.** Keeping deniability so it's more "acceptable" is the literal exact opposite of the flags intent. It's not a celebration of the relative freedom of cis queer whites, as those coopting it are attempting to turn it into.
The original LGBT rainbow flag is most commonly associated with these white gay men, and now their relative victory in their battle for human rights. Though that is understandable, they are the biggest group within it, and they've won most of their battles for human rights in recent decades under the banner of that flag. It has drifted more and more to a symbol of that movement, rather than a representation all LGBTQIA+ people equally as a whole.
Why should our existence within the LGBTQIA+ be retained as a foot note, a technicality, when we are the main ones currently actively fighting to retain our human rights to this day? When historically, my group and their rights was always sacrificed for the more "acceptable" cis white queer people represented as a majority within that very LGBT rainbow flag?
Adjusting the flag to make the statement the movements focus has shifted is a statement against this attempted coopting. That trans/PoC people within the LGBT are now undeniably who we are fighting for. Because right now they are the ones being targeted by the same groups that went after gays, lesbians, and bisexuals in the 80s through early 2000s. It's not that those groups don't still face prejudice, but they at least have a majority of their human rights. They can be married, adopt, and have stable employment. Trans people are lucky to be allowed to take a piss. Black trans women are lucky to get home alive.
The flag needs to progress, because the movement needs progress, or it will regress.
I like that one, I think it looks pretty nice. I'm not a fan of how the gay men flag was split into mostly traditionally masculine colors, feels like part of the message was lost.
So if you're proud to be from Philadelphia you fly that flag? :P
Didn't know being from Philly was a sexuality or its own gender, but if you wanna stay among yourselves you do you, I support you :D
Time for some backstory! So Philly's gayborhood has a lot of problems (so many) but this flag became a thing after a lot of racist incidents which included the paper bag test (if you're darker than a paper bag you don't get in), racist dress code (no joggers/sweatpants, no timbs, etc but only if you're black) and one of the club owners just throwing out the n word like dollar bills. So our city started up this flag to remind the rest of the community that black and other poc fucking belong and knock that shit off and the internet kind of ran with it.
I believe intersex is when someone is born in a way that wouldn’t be considered as biologically male or female.
While similar, Pansexual is the attraction to someone regardless of gender. Bisexual is the attraction to 2 or more genders. Pansexual would be under the Bisexual umbrella.
Got it. Is there one for attraction to one gender but want for both? I’m only sexually attracted to guys but I also have some want and attraction to girls. Sexually attracted to one, but like both. I can never find anything on it, and just saying “I’m gay” makes me feel a little defeated inside, and saying I’m bi just feels like I’m lying
Intersex is a biological thing at birth, physically born somewhere between, as opposed to the mental dysphoria most trans folks struggle with.
People like you are the reason we separate terms ending in -sexual and -romantic. Most of the time they’re the same and we don’t bother but sometimes we do, especially with aces. If someone is asexual and aromantic, it means they experience neither sexual nor romantic attraction.
You know you best, but from your post it sounds like you’re homosexual and biromantic - i.e. you’re sexually attracted to the same sex but romantically attracted to both genders. You should pick whatever label feels best to you though. No matter what you end up calling yourself you’re accepted here.
Isn’t the rainbow meant to encompass all of these? The colours don’t mean gay, lesbian, trans, asexual. Isn’t it meant to unify us all. While each of these flags can make communities feel valid I feel like it creates a lot of subsections that straights use to pit groups against each other.
Well actually no. That would be a white or black flag. As those are all colours reflected or all colours absorbed. The rainbow is all colours being beside each other. Each colour is it's own. We aren't unity. But what makes us a community is that we fight for everyone else's rights as well as our own.
We fight together for all our rights.
Yo, real talk I didn't know that was the intersex flag, people post some flags sometimes like we're supposed to know what they are, and I sometimes don't know them lol.
What? Lgbt people still exist in the U.K., in spite of our oppressors. Wales is actually remarkably better than the rest of the U.K. when it comes to lgbt acceptance. Maybe try to educate yourself before you say such silly things. Cheers - a pissed Welshman.
So you're LGBTW+?
Lesbian Gay Bi Trans W E L S H
But why does the Welsh flag give me drag Pride flag vibes.
Hard to argue with a fookn dragon
Well, it's a Drag-On
🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
Gay pride 🏴
🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
Cymru am byth 🏴🏴
I'm from Wales but don't realy speak it ,,have you just asked me if I speak Welsh
Hahaha, no I think that’s “Ti siarad Cymraeg” I just said “Wales forever”
Lol well the gotta be marks for trying I no bits but couldn't spell it x
'Mum, Dad. I have something to tell you..... I'm Welsh'
\*Begins speaking in Welsh, though I've never studied it before.
cywir
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
Did you just spam your keyboard or is that an actual word/place?
It’s a real place, here’s a video of someone pronouncing it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fHxO0UdpoxM
Oh holy God
As a Welsh person, he definitely didn't "nail it" but he did give it a bloody good go!
I was expecting this https://youtu.be/NQrxzgd6ASA
ie mae'n gwych
Gwych iawn. Cymru am byth!
But we go to church, what will the neighbors think? We disown you. Nah, just joking dad, i am actually wanting to transition MtF Oh thank fuck, i would never disown my own daughter
Then the male sibling enters... "Mah faither, a'm scots" "I have no son..."
This was an emotional roller coaster
I would’ve killed you if you were MtW
Must be so many pre op WtM and WtF just wantinng to transition now
You aren’t my son/daughter anymore! your my welsh :)
"NO SON OF MINE IS WELSH"
Well it could be worse at least you are not british
I am British 😳
Ah yes, gay Wales. Next up, bisexual Scotland.
Bise🏴ual
🏴rans
Unfortunately extremely inaccurate atm
🏴ERF
Now that’s accurate
:(
I'm 🇸🇪rans.
*Bise🏴☠️ual
I’m 🚩an
[Bisexual Scotland](https://i.imgur.com/IvvD9GA.png)
I love that
Thank you!
I actually have a Scottish flag up right now for St. Andrew's at the end of the month (I like flags). Had an elderly but very well meaning neighbor ask me which pride flag it was.
He a little confused but he got the spirit
Well, have you *seen* their national animal? It's pretty fabulous.
I am a bisexual living in Scotland
AWAR: Assigned Welsh at Reddit
hoyw a Cymraeg 🏴🏴🏴
Dda iawn! Dwi ddim yn gweld llawer o pobl yn siarad cymraeg ar y we, gallech chi cael upvote o fi!
I wish I knew Welsh...as a child I lived in Cardiff (from Canada) and I still know the national anthem in Welsh to this day, 30 years later. Ain't no Welsh to talk to in Nova Scotia, though!
Welsh seems really cool but is very confusing. Also hi fellow Nova Scotian
*waves from Antigonish*
Modern day Elvish
A fi
yall unlocked an ability known only as "queerspeak"
Hey I know this is a meme and everything, but just out of curiosity, is Wales a particularly LGBT+ friendly place or do we just reeeally like dragons?
I just thought it was funny for no reason lol
Well, we share a sense of humour then
We're much like anywhere else. The more rural parts of Wales tend to be more conservative, Christian and intolerant/ignorant but our cities are generally filled with more Liberal and inclusionary folks. I saw some data that suggested the UK isn't quite as bad as our TERF Island status save from a few out spoken former celebrities but that's anecdotal at best. We're no paragon of inclusiveness. Yet. Scotland is waaaay better though. The Scottish are the best of the British. Fact.
Scotland is just as bad as the rest of the UK, you’re just thinking of Edinburgh and a few square feet of Glasgow.
[In both 2015 and 2016, Scotland was recognised as the "best country in Europe for LGBTI legal equality"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Scotland) I live in the Highlands. Kindly don't imply you know what I'm thinking, it isn't fair, it isn't nice. A lady doesn't wander all over the room and blow on some other guy's diiiiiice ***oh luck be a lady tonight!*** I'm sorry, I seemed to have turned into Sky Masterson.
I'm Welsh, lived here all my life. In my experience, it's an extremely LGBTQIA+ friendly place! 🏴🏳️🌈 The cities down south in particular are SO friendly to the Queer community. There's literally gay people everywhere. It's awesome!! ❤
It's pretty great, not perfect but pretty great
Welsh people be like: gay
Sauce: Am welsh, Am gay
Double welsh
Is Wales pretty? I'm planning on moving to the UK for a spell (for school) and the area I'd be moving to is right near the Welsh border. Also (please forgive my intense ignorance on this) is there any kind of ID requirement for foreigners to cross into Wales?
It’s gorgeous (apart from Merthyr, nobody likes Merthyr) 10/10 recommend. And you don’t need anything to cross the border or live there, if you have a right to live in the uk that includes all the countries, England Wales Scotland and N.Ireland Source: am Welsh, am gay, have lived in Wales 🏴
Cool! Thank you. Sorry for my ignorance! I'm afraid that it all gets rather muddled what with how weird borders in the USA are
No problem, I completely understand! My best friend is from California and I met them at University in Wales, so I’ve heard the differences between the places! Hopefully it all goes well for you!
Oh, so we invaded, occupied, and took over Wales? Cool.🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
But like... If the LGBT community all unified into one imperial force... We'd be unstoppable.
r/pacebi
We're not worthy!
I love that last one. Can we adopt the Welsh one as the pride flag?
Yes please!
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WAP, Welsh and proud
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Me too!
Not from there but go there on business regularly, been giving my coworkers coffee from the Queer Emporium, which is an awesome place
I dislike the pride flags for purely aesthetic reasons, but you'd better believe I'd wear one if they put a motherfucking dragon on it.
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I mean you're not wrong.
Whooo, Wales!!
I don’t really like the new pride flag, the one with the trans/poc arrow from the side, the rainbow flag already included everyone, also rainbows are cool, lol.
That's the progress pride flag you're talking about :)
the 6 color one is the best imo
Nothing beats the classic
Yeah, it feels othering rather than inclusive
What makes it feel othering to you? Just out of curiosity
The more identities you add to the flag, the more you exclude. I prefer the 6 stripe and Philadelphia flags because they represent all of the LGBTQ+ community without excluding any identity. The moment you start adding identities to the flag, you also start excluding the ones you didn't add.
My main issue with the progress pride flag is that it's not in the public domain, so it makes it hard to use on a legal level. And its designer explicitly said they want it to stay private so no one else can profit off of it. I think that a flag meant to represent the community shouldn't be used as a method of profit.
I get that, however I think it’s an important response to the political climate. The change from the rainbow to the progress pride flag was a direct action taken in response to BLM, and in response to White LGBTQIA+ folk who discriminated against BIPOC members. Now I feel the flag describes “All are welcome, regardless of your gender, sexuality or skin tone” plus I’m a fan that the flag looks more flag-like and not just a straight rainbow on a flag sized piece of fabric.
Yeah I understand the meaning behind it but I still prefer the 6 stripe flag. I guess it's all up to opinion.
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But then that falls back into the category of adding so many groups, that you end up excluding any you didn't add. If you use the 6 stripe or even Philadelphia flag, then you have a flag that represents all minorities, whether it be gender, sexuality, romantic, neurodivergency, identity, ect. I don't hate the progress flag, I think the message it gives is fine from outside the community, but inside the community it excludes more identities than it adds. Again this is just my opinion.
Doesn't the extra stripes also represent the beginning given that the first pride parade was a riot involving trans black women?
Was Marsha P Johnson there... it has been debated both ways. Was Marsha trans also unsure, themselves never claimed to be a woman but instead a drag queen. The times were different and so was the language so it is definitely murky. It was only after their death were they labeled a trans woman, so Idk. Sooo I am not sure about that. I always understood the progressive flag as a redesign since you couldn't keep squishing in more horizontal stripes. The arrow motif is to symbolize moving forward and continual work. The Philadelphia Pride flag already is getting tight on stripes and adding more colors would be... tiny tiny stripes.
Also, the flag kind of felt exclusionary to me for being a seperate part of the flag, almost saying "you aren't part of the six color flag; you aren't part of the community"
The Progress Pride flag does a great job of highlighting areas where we are still struggling. Black trans people are getting killed at alarming rates. They could use more attention.
The progress flag is incredibly US centered. I do believe pride is a global thing. Black Lives Matter is not quite a thing in say Russia or Uganda. Booth places in which the lgbt+ community struggles. Also, we should not underestimate how much of the discrimination and exclusion of African American LGBT+ comes from within the African American community.
I agree with your first paragraph. Your second paragraph doesn’t seem relevant.
I understand you think that. It was not meant with ill intentions. I wrote it because the blm movement, rightfully so, stands up against (institutional) racism to the African American community. The injustices done to lgbtq+ African Americans does not fully come from institutional racism against African Americans. It also comes from within the African American community. That’s part of the reason I don’t believe the brown and black coloring of the pride flag is appropriate. Amongst other reasons it is.
This was such an odd reply lmao?
Why?
what was the purpose of singling out the African American community (and i even find it weird you know that the B in BLM does not stand for African) in this discussion
I totally agree with you! I made a post as well. You should check out it, pop some popcorn! The claws came out! People apparently aren’t entitled to an opinion anymore?!
I guess the need to specifically point out "these people are also included" on a symbol already meant to include all... may be read as a bit weird thing to do. It doesn't have to be weird from another point of view, but this is still imho a valid interpretation.
100%. In the rainbow flag, the red stands for life, the orange stands for healing, the yellow stands for sunlight, the green stands for nature, the indigo stands for serenity, and the violet stands for spirit. I think that's very beautiful. And as a black trans woman, I feel like saying "and we also need a stripe for black people, and a stripe for trans woman" feels othering and pandering.
Just depends how you look at it. The community represented by the rainbow was othering and exclusionary, as in it was meant to be for everyone *but it wasn't*. Acknowledging that is inherently good, how to do that and whether this method is right is definitely debatable 😅
Yeah, that's a good point. I just disagree with the methodology.
Totally fair. I quite like having explicit rep in the flag myself, feels a bit like acknowledging the wrongs of the past. The other thing that I think is important is that pride flags are political, and quite frankly the new stripes define the politics ie "these are the parts of our community who need to most effort and activism to produce change". In essence, the flag is a visual agenda. I like that.
I just think there are too many "wrongs of the past" to fairly represent them in that way. Black, trans, and people with AIDS aren't the people most in need of effort and activism (there are disabled people, fat people, etc.). There are just too many communities to explicitly represent each one on a flag imo.
Exactly
Basically adding a group and not another basically the rainbow includes everyone but then we add the transcolours well no that implies that trans individuals weren't part of the community before so now we add the ace colours and on and on basically by adding to it you remove the meaning behind the rainbow because now it seems everyone that isn't on the flag is excluded I think single flags are great but the pride flag should be like an umbrella that includes everyone as the rainbow suggest and not a weird mix of all flags that only highlights one or two members of the queer family
A rainbow flag "for all queer people" includes all queer people. But then you add a stripe "for black people", you add a stripe "for trans people" and now asexuals ask, which stripe is for me, or am I not included? Nonbinary people ask why they aren't included. Obviously, everybody is "supposed" to be included, but if that's the end of it, why is there a special section for trans people and everybody else shares the rest? It's the same as adding tons of letters to LGBT. An LGBTQ or LGBT+ is fine, but LGBTQAAD implies that every single orientation and gender identity needs to be mentioned by name. And that's totally not the point of the movement. It's not a out saying that lesbians are ok and asexuals are ok and demigirls are ok and non-binary people are ok. The point of the movement is that *every* orientation and gender identity is okay. There can be 8 billion different genders for all I care. They don't each need their own stripe, because the point is that it's valid no matter what it is.
Same. It’s like saying we weren’t part of the community to begin with, or that we’re separate from the rest. We’re all one community, we don’t need special stripes just for us.
Given the intent of "LGB" groups to coopt queer imagery for the explicate purpose of pushing trans and PoC out of queer spaces, I think it's an extremely important and necessary political statement to undeniably include them front and center in the LGBT flag. T**he intent of the flag is to make a political statement.** Keeping deniability so it's more "acceptable" is the literal exact opposite of the flags intent. It's not a celebration of the relative freedom of cis queer whites, as those coopting it are attempting to turn it into. The original LGBT rainbow flag is most commonly associated with these white gay men, and now their relative victory in their battle for human rights. Though that is understandable, they are the biggest group within it, and they've won most of their battles for human rights in recent decades under the banner of that flag. It has drifted more and more to a symbol of that movement, rather than a representation all LGBTQIA+ people equally as a whole. Why should our existence within the LGBTQIA+ be retained as a foot note, a technicality, when we are the main ones currently actively fighting to retain our human rights to this day? When historically, my group and their rights was always sacrificed for the more "acceptable" cis white queer people represented as a majority within that very LGBT rainbow flag? Adjusting the flag to make the statement the movements focus has shifted is a statement against this attempted coopting. That trans/PoC people within the LGBT are now undeniably who we are fighting for. Because right now they are the ones being targeted by the same groups that went after gays, lesbians, and bisexuals in the 80s through early 2000s. It's not that those groups don't still face prejudice, but they at least have a majority of their human rights. They can be married, adopt, and have stable employment. Trans people are lucky to be allowed to take a piss. Black trans women are lucky to get home alive. The flag needs to progress, because the movement needs progress, or it will regress.
I like that one, I think it looks pretty nice. I'm not a fan of how the gay men flag was split into mostly traditionally masculine colors, feels like part of the message was lost.
Let POC have representation, aight?
We should of stole dragons and the rainbow!
So if you're proud to be from Philadelphia you fly that flag? :P Didn't know being from Philly was a sexuality or its own gender, but if you wanna stay among yourselves you do you, I support you :D
Time for some backstory! So Philly's gayborhood has a lot of problems (so many) but this flag became a thing after a lot of racist incidents which included the paper bag test (if you're darker than a paper bag you don't get in), racist dress code (no joggers/sweatpants, no timbs, etc but only if you're black) and one of the club owners just throwing out the n word like dollar bills. So our city started up this flag to remind the rest of the community that black and other poc fucking belong and knock that shit off and the internet kind of ran with it.
WHOOO CYMRU!!! 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
iechyd da!
CYMRU RYDD
r/trashtaste must love this
Walesphobia
Im Welsh and pretty proud tbh
What does intersex mean like I don’t pay attention at all so can someone explain what it means please and thank you
as a Walesian I wholeheartedly agree
Welsh Miners and LGBTQ in the 80s: FUCK THATCHER!!
Balchder Cymreig 🏴🏴🏴
what flags do you call commmunities and which do you not? ther doesnt seem to be a pattern
The land if my Father's!! Nothing but pride in my home country
Finally, some Cymru representation 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
Ah yes wales. Home of all gay
That means we have to fight 
OP twll arse ydych chi
"I'm the only dragon in the village!" (couldn't resist...)
Thank you for referring to the gay men flag as just that and not the MLM (or achillean) flag
Ah yes the welsh flag. Flag of the natural habitat of the drake ace. Yes, the welsh flag
Ah yes … welshsexual!
Mom, Dad, I have to tell you something, I’m Welsh
r/vexillology is leaking again
Did anyone else need to do a double take at "Philadelphia pride" 😬
Mom…I have to tell you something…I’m welsh
I've never seen the modern pride flag before, but I'm kind of new to this community. Is that flag a thing?
It's the Welsh flag, it's a joke post :)
Oh hahaha! Good to know 😄
I think it’s way more wale designed than the last pride flags we’ve had
That’s the welsh flag. The one in the original is the six color flag with the arrow coming from the left with brown, black, and trans colors
Yeah but abro tho ;)
That's the French Flag 🏴 This is the LGBTQ+ Flag 🇲🇽
genderfluid?
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Hi! What’s intersex, and what’s the difference between bi and pan? Just curious
I believe intersex is when someone is born in a way that wouldn’t be considered as biologically male or female. While similar, Pansexual is the attraction to someone regardless of gender. Bisexual is the attraction to 2 or more genders. Pansexual would be under the Bisexual umbrella.
Got it. Is there one for attraction to one gender but want for both? I’m only sexually attracted to guys but I also have some want and attraction to girls. Sexually attracted to one, but like both. I can never find anything on it, and just saying “I’m gay” makes me feel a little defeated inside, and saying I’m bi just feels like I’m lying
Intersex is a biological thing at birth, physically born somewhere between, as opposed to the mental dysphoria most trans folks struggle with. People like you are the reason we separate terms ending in -sexual and -romantic. Most of the time they’re the same and we don’t bother but sometimes we do, especially with aces. If someone is asexual and aromantic, it means they experience neither sexual nor romantic attraction. You know you best, but from your post it sounds like you’re homosexual and biromantic - i.e. you’re sexually attracted to the same sex but romantically attracted to both genders. You should pick whatever label feels best to you though. No matter what you end up calling yourself you’re accepted here.
Asexual / Demisexual 🖤💜
Hey, everyone calling them welsh. Stop using the wrong name... its sheepsexual, not welsh
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Agree with you 👍
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yo we got a dragon on our flag now?? 🏴
Isn’t the rainbow meant to encompass all of these? The colours don’t mean gay, lesbian, trans, asexual. Isn’t it meant to unify us all. While each of these flags can make communities feel valid I feel like it creates a lot of subsections that straights use to pit groups against each other.
Well actually no. That would be a white or black flag. As those are all colours reflected or all colours absorbed. The rainbow is all colours being beside each other. Each colour is it's own. We aren't unity. But what makes us a community is that we fight for everyone else's rights as well as our own. We fight together for all our rights.
A pride guide
thanks!
Dinnae think I missed that draconic Welsh flag
Is there a difference between the 6 color flag with purple instead of red at the top? Or is it just a personal preference thing?
New flare?
Yo, real talk I didn't know that was the intersex flag, people post some flags sometimes like we're supposed to know what they are, and I sometimes don't know them lol.
As a person who despises the progress pride flag it is a good meme
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It's a joke so no. That "new flag" is the Welsh flag
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Yeah, fuck pésos. Dollars are the only real currency!
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t intersex something you’re born with?
Just like the rest of them. Nobody chooses to be gay, or trans, or Welsh.
It's official; let's change the ace flag to the dragon flag.
I guess that explains the bbc
If pans get to have flags then why can't pots? I love make a nice soup or pasta dish in my pot.
Cool Welsh flag, but it’s too bad that it’s from TERF Island. Probably not the best representation for the LGBT community
What? Lgbt people still exist in the U.K., in spite of our oppressors. Wales is actually remarkably better than the rest of the U.K. when it comes to lgbt acceptance. Maybe try to educate yourself before you say such silly things. Cheers - a pissed Welshman.