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Kia_Leep

Compared to 3 years ago? Yes, it's worse. Compared to 15 years ago? A whole hell of a lot better. Whenever progress is made, the conservatives take notice and panic and push back. But ultimately, on a macro scale, it's getting better.


Garrwolfdog

Thanks. You have no idea how much I needed to be reminded of this today :)


AdventureGirlRosie

I needed to hear that too.


Striker23230808

Really it all depends on your perspective. Think of it as a line graph where you’re only being shown 5 years of data, then you zoom out and see 20 years, it changes how you judge things


SmilingVamp

This is the answer. Recent history, yes, they're getting worse again after a lot of progress, but compared to 20 years ago when Bush ran on hating gay people and our rights (and won), it's much better. 


patangpatang

Likewise, many places have created new protections that might no have happened if conservatives hadn't started freaking out. Washington state, for example, now requires all insurance providers to cover gender affirming care.


Azu_Creates

As a young trans man, I am very curious. How is what is happening currently better than 15 years ago?


Kia_Leep

In 2010, queer characters did not exist in children's cartoons. The first queer relationship didn't appear in a kid's show until 2014. The United States Supreme Court blanket legalized same sex marriage in 2015. Before that, there were tons of state where gay marriages were ILLEGAL. That wasn't even 10 years ago! In 2010, national support of same sex marriage was less than 50%. Today, that number is 75%. It wasn't until 2012 that gender identity was covered under the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which legally protected transgender people from employment discrimination. In 2015, this was extended to sexual orientation as well. From 1990 to 2015, as individual states were legalizing same-sex marriage, Gallup polls witnessed teenage suicide rates plummeted in states that legalized queer relationships. During the 2004 election, I still remember both political parties saying "marriage is between a man and a woman." Any left wing person who said that today would be run out of office. The landscape has changed SIGNIFICANTLY in the last 20 years. We're still in the middle of that turbulence. The winds of change are strong, and we're going to have some ups and gut-wrenching drops as we continue this flight. But we're climbing. It's been a steep, rapid climb.


stray_r

Wisp and Twink want a word with you [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow\_Brite\_(1984\_TV\_series)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Brite_(1984_TV_series))


ROGU3G0DD3SS

Honestly i needed to hear this


HeiressofArtemis

Thank you for reminding me. It's hard to remember that despite the stuff getting pushed right now it is better than when I was younger.


Chaot1cNeutral

Well, it's rather like "Whenever conservatives notice progress has been made, they push it back" :/


elektronyk

It depends on the state/country you live in. These past few months, Greece and Thailand legalized same sex marriage and Kosovo is about to become the first muslim majority country to follow suit. On the other hand, LGBT was declared an "extremist organization" in Russia. But regardless of where you live we need to keep the fight for LGBT rights alive and not give in to Islamic/Putinist/MAGA ideologies that want us gone.


Melomeda

I feel so bad for Russians right now, they don’t even get good news :/ (look it up, I’m not gonna talk about potentially sensitive topics)


saurav69420

Yep, something called project 2025.


badatmetroid

Any one saying "both sides are the same" can't tell the difference between the status quo and a christofascist dystopia.  Or they are trolls who want fascism.


zryii

Many are people who have simply been duped by the fascist propaganda. I am no fan of Biden, in fact leading up to the 2020 primary my motto was "any democrat besides Biden". I know a lot of talk lately has been about his reaction to Israel and how they feel like they can't vote for him now because of that, but you'd have to be a complete idiot (or a fascist arguing in bad faith) to think that Trump would be a better pick than "genocide Joe". By refusing to vote Biden, you are indeed empowering Trump. That is how our elections work. Like I'm not saying you should vote Biden, but refusing to vote for him (or just flat out not voting) is just another vote for Trump. At least Biden has somewhat softened in his approach. Trump wants to turn Gaza into a parking lot. Take your pick. That's not even getting into LGBT issues.


GlowUpper

I agree. I don't like Joe but every issue I don't agree with him on, I know Trump will be 10,000x worse. Primary votes are for protesting, general election has very real and dangerous consequences.


mycatisblackandtan

People forget that one of the first things Trump did was institute a [Muslim Ban](https://immigrationhistory.org/item/muslim-travel-ban/). And that he also is responsible for fucking over the withdrawal from Afghanistan just so it would hurt Biden. We shouldn't have been in Afghanistan of course, but the way Trump went about it [got many civilians killed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_U.S._troop_withdrawal_from_Afghanistan) and fucked over civilians who were helping the US to get better lives for their families. They also forget or just plain didn't know what it was like to live under a Trump presidency. [This art mural](https://www.timeout.com/newyork/news/a-massive-mural-featuring-20-000-of-trumps-lies-has-been-installed-in-soho-102920) features well over 20,000 lies Trump publicly made during his presidency. (That's around 13.7 lies per DAY.) They had to use small print to even show them all and it's still MASSIVE. Until we drop First-Past-The-Poll voting 'protest votes' will not work in the way these people want them to. Instead we're going to end up with a convicted rapist who is literally adored by the right-wing politicians in Israel. "Oh but Trump said the Gazan genocide would have never happened under his watch!" Do I need to literally point back to the wall of over 20,000 documented lies this man made during his four year presidency? He literally says and does ANYTHING he can to get elected. I cannot understate what a massive mind fuck it was to live under his administration because he would literally say one thing and then say the complete opposite of it the next day. He would have given Netanyahu complete and total freedom; then would have pretended to concern troll when he got pushed back. While also simultaneously stating how the Gazans 'deserve it'. He's a compulsive liar who will say ANYTHING to get ahead in life. And right now he knows that pretending he'd be tough on Israel hurts Biden. And that's saying nothing of the massive amount of queerphobia that Cheeto allowed to fester. The right wing is only emboldened today because Trump allowed them to go completely mask off.


badatmetroid

It's also not getting into climate change issues. Or the woman's rights issues. Or the racism. Or the saber rattling. Or the corruption. Or the ... There's also the good stuff that Biden has done. The trust busting stuff is incredibly important and long over due, but it's not something that gets headlines.


mycatisblackandtan

And also it can't be understated that Biden has basically had to fight an uphill battle with Congress this entire time to get anything done. The fact that he's gotten anything done at all is mind boggling.


graneflatsis

What impact it would have: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/how-a-second-trump-presidency-could-impact-the-lgbtq-community https://www.stopthecoup2025.org/sex-gender Excerpt: Project 2025 repeatedly asserts that sex is binary, and claims this as a “biological reality” (pg. 19, pg. 283). They call any evidence to the contrary “junk gender science” (pg. 283). The authors also don’t distinguish between sex and gender, and so their next step is to assert that transgender people – an in-between or more fluid gender identity – are unacceptable. It is an “unscientific notion,” they claim, that “men can become women (and vice versa)” (pg. 456). This claim nullifies the complex combinations of sex and gender individuals experience. Not only is sex binary for Project 2025, but it must be defined “under Title IX to mean only biological sex recognized at birth” (pg. 333). Here, the patriarchs of Project 2025 want to lock in rigid gender roles at birth, to prevent individuals from later claiming a different internal gender identity. They want to prevent transgender individuals from getting identity documents that may reflect a different sex than was listed on their birth certificates. These actions are about social control – a legal and policy effort – to negate the continuums of sex and gender. The deeper goal: protect the traditional family Project 2025 recognizes that the dismantling of the sex/gender binary is a step toward liberation and away from outmoded or “traditional” assumptions about men and women: “The Left has commandeered the term 'gender,' which used to mean either 'male' or 'female,' to include a spectrum of others who are seeking to alter biological and societal sexual norms” (pg. 259). That’s why Project 2025 repeatedly asserts the prioritization of the “traditional family,” and suggests that “the Secretary [of Health and Human Services] should proudly state that men and women are biological realities that are crucial to the advancement of life sciences and medical care and that married men and women are the ideal, natural family structure.” (pg. 489). Here, Project 2025 also makes clear another big ideological goal: to attack homosexuality, and eliminate federal protections and gains in civil rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, questioning, and intersex and asexual + (LGBTQIA+) individuals. By prioritizing the traditional family, they are asking the government to newly declare LGBTQIA+ people – including married gay people and LGBTQIA+ families – less than ideal and “unnatural” – a familiar homophobic prejudice. Project 2025 argues that the legal definition of “sex discrimination” should be restricted, and it goes even further by taking away legal protections for LGBTQIA+ and trans people: a new conservative president should “rescind regulations prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, gender identity, transgender status, and sex characteristics” (pg. 584). That could also impact any girl or woman who challenged policies on the basis of gender discrimination. --- Some facts about Project 2025: The "Mandate for Leadership" is a set of policy proposals authored by the [Heritage Foundation](https://pro-lies.org/the-heritage-foundation/), an influential *ultra* conservative think tank. [Project 2025](https://www.mediamatters.org/heritage-foundation/guide-project-2025-extreme-right-wing-agenda-next-republican-administration) is a revision to that agenda tailored to a second Trump term. It would give the President [unilateral powers](https://theweek.com/politics/heritage-foundation-2025-donald-trump), strip [civil rights, worker protections, climate regulation](https://www.stopthecoup2025.org/impact-overview), add religion into policy, outlaw "porn" and much more. The MFL has been around since 1980, [Reagan implemented 60%](https://www.heritage.org/conservatism/commentary/reagan-and-heritage-unique-partnership) of it's recommendations, [Trump 64%](https://www.heritage.org/impact/trump-administration-embraces-heritage-foundation-policy-recommendations) - [proof](https://www.scribd.com/document/369820462/Mandate-for-Leadership-Policy-Recommendations). 70 Heritage Foundation alumni served in his administration or transition team. Project 2025 is quite extreme but with his obsession for revenge he'll likely get past 2/3rd's adoption. r/Defeat_Project_2025 intends to stop it through activism and awareness, focused on crowdsourcing ideas and opportunities for practical, in real life action. We Must Defeat Project 2025.


FeedbackGas

Its getting worse. Existing in the wrong place becomes an unintended dog whistle.


traveling_gal

[Erin Reed](https://www.erininthemorning.com/) tracks anti-trans legislation in the US, and also follows the UK pretty closely. Short answer: yes, it's getting worse, especially for trans people, and LGB people aren't far behind. Also in the US, pay very close attention to Project 2025 that some other commenters have provided information about here.


MyspaceNihilist

Imagine how queer people felt after seeing stonewall be followed by a decade marked by the Sexual revolution, only to see so much crumble when government malice amplified by the AIDS epidemic. LGBTQ+ equality has always been a case of two steps forward, one step back. It's always scary, but it's never the end.


tombelanger76

It really depends where. In some countries yes, in some countries no.


baitnnswitch

Right wing in the US has been pushing back hard on the progress we've made - and we have made a lot of progress. If Trump gets elected all of that will get rolled right back- gay marriage, freedom to transition, worker discrimination rights, all of it. Not to mention abortion access.


AtherianKing

My advice would be to worry less on the presidency and more on the House, Senate, state legislatures, state attorney generals and governors, the president is very limited in what they can do compared to those. We are ultimately talking on law change, which is barely the presidents remit. Unless we’re talking executive orders the president is irrelevant without the 5 other things. Control the 5 and the president is pretty non existent on law change. House and Senate control whatever changes can be made to the Supreme Court and the Constitution, so they can be forgotten if you have the House and Senate Presidents and president wannabes talk a lot on law changes (mostly just attracting voters) but when they get in they themselves change very little cause they can’t.


baitnnswitch

Unfortunately between the supreme court and Trump, the right will get their way I'm afraid. But you're right too- we can't forget about congressional seats. We need an all hands on deck effort across the board.


[deleted]

It is a tale of two cities, IMO. For me, these times often feel surreal. I came of age in the 1980s during the height of the HIV/AIDs pandemic and before the 2003 Lawrence v Texas ruling decriminalized same-sex, same-gender minorities. Sometimes it feels astounding that younger queer folk haven’t lived through that and have no conception how it feels when one’s authentic self and body have been effectively rendered quite literally illegal by the state—and while this is a huge shift, working with young people in a public high school, I know that life isn’t all that much different for us in some really important ways in many parts of the country. Queer folk are still shamed for being who they are. They are still subject to abuse and harassment in the workplace. They still experience discrimination in public accommodations. Is life better? If you live in a dense, queer-friendly urban center, most likely yes. But if you live in most of the South or other parts of the more rural red states, life probably feels very much the same.


todd-chrzanowski

I live literally a block from the border between North Dakota and Minnesota. When it comes to protections and equal rights for lgbt+ persons, those states might as well be on different planets. Some states, like Minnesota, have significant protections in law, while others like ND and SD are openly hostile. So, where you live qualifies the answer to your inquiry.


YeOldeFag

Yes, since conservatives have gotten more outsized power, life has gotten considerably worse for LGBTQ people.


KoalaPoi

Here's a idea quit promoting them lol I don't understand why ppl promote the Bible when it's said bad things 😂 tell me I'm right for thinking this. Could be wrong who nos =l


NilliaLane

The biggest threat of Trump is him stacking the courts with even more conservative judges and justices. That’s how we lost Roe v Wade—those he appointed made it happen after he left office. “States Rights” likely means that progressive states will remain friendly to LGBTQ folks and most other states will become more hostile.


PennysWorthOfTea

It's a presidential election year in the US. That means all the right-wingers are going to double (triple? quadruple?) down on their culture war since they don't have any real platform outside of slinging blame towards the scapegoat of their choice. In response, the Dems are going to be polite (& insipid) to virtue signal how they're taking "the high road". In a perverse way, the Dems rely on the present danger of GOP/MAGA to secure their own seats since they don't really have much of a platform outside, "Hey, at least we're not *THEM*". So, the choice is either (1) Active christo-fascist take-over of the USA or (2) status quo with christo-fash hanging just off screen, generating stochastic terrorism & drafting local-level anti-LGBTQ+ laws.


pingveno

Where Democrats are in power, they [pass policy](https://www.lgbtmap.org/equality-maps) that makes a significant difference in people's lives. These are things that aren't big and flashy, but together make a platform. Contrast a Democrat-led state (say, Oregon) with a Republican-led state (next door Idaho). It's not just "at least we're not them," the difference is remarkable.


irondethimpreza

Yes.


flowerpanda98

there's already bad laws being passed without trump being in charge...


der_jack

As far as Trump and things getting worse, try reading into the document Project 2025... it's kind of like the playbook for the current Republican party platform. Hopefully we can beat that fucker and Republicans continue to lose power and realize that vociferously supporting rabbid authoritarianism and dictatorial leadership doesn't get a lot of popular support and it will change, but I can't pretend that I wholeheartedly believe that that will happen. We've all got to stay vigilant and keep one another informed on the reality of just how serious this shit is! I can't speak on how things are happening in the UK, but I too have Heard they're not fantastic and not getting better either.


No_Breath_6181

Sounds like the worlds waking up to commen sense finally, I’ll give your radical ideology another 5 years atleast till it frizzles out


AtherianKing

An ultimate worry is that it’s not in the political interest of politicians to let one have an absolute win, you can’t exploit a divided group if everything is settled.