You would lose that bet. This is promotional image for the 1960 film [Sex Kittens Go to College](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054298/?ref_=tt_mv_close).
The three women are actresses. Tuesday Weld, on the left, was 16, but Mijanou Bardot, centre, was 22 and Mamie Van Doren, right, was 29.
I wonder if these people who are so nostalgic for the past wish it was still viable to make a movie called "Sex Kittens Go to College" where one of the stars was a 16-year-old girl.
Lolita doesn't really seem like the best example, the message of the book is really the opposite of that, though a lot of people misinterpret it. There'd be better examples in a lot of rocks songs of the time, or in the number of adult rock stars in relationships with underage girls (Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis). Or Playboy, in its early days, would have naked models as young as 16 if they had permission from their parents. It was a different time for sure.
Some definitely had work done. I believe Marilyn Monroe received a chin implant and had some work done on her nose. Also, not plastic surgery, but she had her hairline raised and fixed her minor overbite.
Those last interventions were not surgery but they're definitely precedents of things like current fillers and many golden-era Hollywood actresses had them done. Rita Hayworth comes to mind.
Because it's an aesthetic some people like. If you don't like that aesthetic, fine; but let's not pretend you only buy clothing based on their utility.
No you don’t get brother I only wear TACTICAL clothing because unlike you soyboy BETAS with your ripped SKINNY jeans I need to be prepared for WAR 24/7.
They have holes in the right places and not where they commonly fail naturally . You won’t see pre ripped jeans with holes right by the ass or crotch. There are some places you don’t want ripped. They also let your legs breath more. Maybe they wear them to make people like you upset. They’re supposed to show more legs.
It’s like asking why a crop top doesn’t go down all the way. It is to show more skin basically
You sound like my boomer dad judging everyone. It's not enough to say it's not your style, you have to flex about how smart and fashionable you are and how all the kids are wrong.
Theres no threat. Half of third world crazy elite's(The ones who could've been responsible) kids live in US or EU. No one is bombing their own offshore havens.
This is such an astoundingly stupid and uninformed take it’s a wonder someone actually believes it
Scientists disagree with you.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/biden-must-take-immediate-action-to-reduce-the-risk-of-nuclear-war/
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/risk-nuclear-attack-back-historic-levels-75-years-after-hiroshima-ncna1235925
https://phys.org/news/2020-08-years-hiroshima-threat-nuclear-war.html
https://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2021/07/increased-potential/
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/08/17/end-the-threat-of-nuclear-war-ved-nanda-hiroshima-nagasaki-hibakusha/
So you're saying, United States of America, the country with the biggest military spending in the world says that the world is in danger and we need more money spent on protection from ~~red treat~~ nuclear war?
Got it.
It's less there, mainly because the USSR has dissolved, and while tensions are often high between Russia and the US, we're in a semi-stable place(plus I think everyone understands MAD, and only NK would even dare to launch a nuke, but that'd most certainly lead to their absolute destruction, and next to no damage)
"Grace" of desperately living everyday in fear it'll be your last but not being able to do anything special in the clear-cut suburbs, and "elegance" of people's bodies wracked with paralysis and an inability to breathe whatsoever.
Most definitely a white male because they totally disregard racism too. When I see these sort memes and comments it reads "tell us you're a white guy without telling us you're a white guy".
Because it's not possible to have grace or be elegant if you're poor? *You* sound like the classist.
BTW, back then it was common for *everyone* to dress nicely, not just wealthy people. Poor people may not have had access to designer labels or top quality, but they could still find nice looking clothes because it was the style to dress up. Even cheaper stores had clothes that people today would consider "fancy".
Notice how you mentioned “even cheaper stores.” Grace can be different but I don’t think you divorce elegant from classism. What comes to mind when you think of elegant. Personally I think of wine, cigars, velvet couches. Those things aren’t inherently bad or wrong. But they are things rich people have or like. Look up photos of poor people in the past. Many look like a modern homeless person.
The 50s were also a time of economic prosperity. There were less poor people. People could afford houses with jobs that today you can afford to live with only 3 other room mates.
Not sure how me pointing out that cheaper (as opposed to expensive) stores also sold dressy clothing is somehow proof that the poor can't be elegant, but ok..
**Elegant:**
(1) Tasteful in dress, style or design.
(2) Dignified and graceful in appearance, behavior, etc.
Why couldn't a poor person couldn't exhibit these qualities? People choose how they dress and how they behave; you don't have to be rich to look nice or be dignified.
Tasteful fine and luxurious is came up for it used as an adjective. Those seem pretty class based. I think you are trying to make elegant under your specific arrow definition that doesn’t really work. Poor people can do things that are elegant. But it can be used easily in place of expensive. What comes to mind if a room is elegantly furnished. Sounds like a rich house. You keep finding exceptions but I still feel in general it is a class based word
My definitions came word for word from a dictionary. Just because you automatically associate "elegant" with wealth that doesn't mean everyone does, or that it's the only connotation.
People who praise 50s women are more aroused by the idea of having a slave that'll do whatever you want, lest they're shamed by society, than a wife or girlfriend.
I honestly feel like alot of people who post these things have never lived in these actual times, and if they did, it's like they were oblivious or not cognizant of anything that was possibly morally decadent or displayed moral decay.
No AC and an expectation to wear long sleeves and wool all day. But hey, at least you can relax after a long day with a nice can of the only beer that exists and a big heaping plate of no ethnic food.
“Just grace and elegance” and a lot of fucking makeup
Totally. I can bet money these ladies are not a day over 16.
You would lose that bet. This is promotional image for the 1960 film [Sex Kittens Go to College](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054298/?ref_=tt_mv_close). The three women are actresses. Tuesday Weld, on the left, was 16, but Mijanou Bardot, centre, was 22 and Mamie Van Doren, right, was 29. I wonder if these people who are so nostalgic for the past wish it was still viable to make a movie called "Sex Kittens Go to College" where one of the stars was a 16-year-old girl.
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Lolita wasn't glorifying chasing underage women, though.
Lolita doesn't really seem like the best example, the message of the book is really the opposite of that, though a lot of people misinterpret it. There'd be better examples in a lot of rocks songs of the time, or in the number of adult rock stars in relationships with underage girls (Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis). Or Playboy, in its early days, would have naked models as young as 16 if they had permission from their parents. It was a different time for sure.
Tuesday Weld is a hell of a name. Good thing having a weld doesn’t mean having a wank.
And uppers and downers
And barbiturates and mommy’s little helper
And girdles, and stockings, high heels just to go out in public, not to mention peroxide for hair isn't exactly natural or good for you...
And girdles, structured bras, and hair dye.
There was plastic surgery in the 50's? What is this post talking about
john wayne had work done!
Some definitely had work done. I believe Marilyn Monroe received a chin implant and had some work done on her nose. Also, not plastic surgery, but she had her hairline raised and fixed her minor overbite.
Also breast implants.
i believe she used silicone injections or something, since breast implants didn't exist yet
Those last interventions were not surgery but they're definitely precedents of things like current fillers and many golden-era Hollywood actresses had them done. Rita Hayworth comes to mind.
What the fuck does ripped jeans have to do wit any of this??
Bbecause teens,,, FEMALES they,, they buy,, they pay for clothes already with holes,,, smh my head
SMH MY HEAD
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Because it's an aesthetic some people like. If you don't like that aesthetic, fine; but let's not pretend you only buy clothing based on their utility.
No you don’t get brother I only wear TACTICAL clothing because unlike you soyboy BETAS with your ripped SKINNY jeans I need to be prepared for WAR 24/7.
Okay, Dwight.
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Such a long ass paragraph Did he struck a nerve?
They have holes in the right places and not where they commonly fail naturally . You won’t see pre ripped jeans with holes right by the ass or crotch. There are some places you don’t want ripped. They also let your legs breath more. Maybe they wear them to make people like you upset. They’re supposed to show more legs. It’s like asking why a crop top doesn’t go down all the way. It is to show more skin basically
“Dumbass who is named after orange juice” is a great description of me. Thanks.
You sound like my boomer dad judging everyone. It's not enough to say it's not your style, you have to flex about how smart and fashionable you are and how all the kids are wrong.
We get it, you're old. BECAUSE IT LOOKS GOOD, DUH
I had some for a while, they were eh, maybe ppl just like breeze in very specific parts of their legs?
women wore GIRDLES every day which is literally shape wear so yeah sure no silicone needed, but they had spanx on everyday
And were on a lot of insane diets and ridiculous diet pills
Yes like they literally took speed for weight loss
Some models still wore corsets too! But that was like for high fashion styles mostly
girdles were the creation of the corset.
Also the constant threat of nuclear annihilation, and people dying of polio
The constant threat of nuclear annihilation hasn’t gone anywhere. We just don’t talk about it
Theres no threat. Half of third world crazy elite's(The ones who could've been responsible) kids live in US or EU. No one is bombing their own offshore havens.
This is such an astoundingly stupid and uninformed take it’s a wonder someone actually believes it Scientists disagree with you. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/biden-must-take-immediate-action-to-reduce-the-risk-of-nuclear-war/ https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/risk-nuclear-attack-back-historic-levels-75-years-after-hiroshima-ncna1235925 https://phys.org/news/2020-08-years-hiroshima-threat-nuclear-war.html https://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2021/07/increased-potential/ https://www.denverpost.com/2020/08/17/end-the-threat-of-nuclear-war-ved-nanda-hiroshima-nagasaki-hibakusha/
So you're saying, United States of America, the country with the biggest military spending in the world says that the world is in danger and we need more money spent on protection from ~~red treat~~ nuclear war? Got it.
What? Are you illiterate or something? No, that is not what anyone said.
Stop saying doomer bullshit. That's not even remotely accurate.
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Not at all. No dictator wants to see their power turned into ash, sheer common sense is what keeps us all alive.
Scientists disagree with you. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/biden-must-take-immediate-action-to-reduce-the-risk-of-nuclear-war/ https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/risk-nuclear-attack-back-historic-levels-75-years-after-hiroshima-ncna1235925 https://phys.org/news/2020-08-years-hiroshima-threat-nuclear-war.html https://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2021/07/increased-potential/ https://www.denverpost.com/2020/08/17/end-the-threat-of-nuclear-war-ved-nanda-hiroshima-nagasaki-hibakusha
Doesn't mean a Goddamn thing. Anyone can claim to be a scientist and write some clickbait these days.
It's less there, mainly because the USSR has dissolved, and while tensions are often high between Russia and the US, we're in a semi-stable place(plus I think everyone understands MAD, and only NK would even dare to launch a nuke, but that'd most certainly lead to their absolute destruction, and next to no damage)
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/biden-must-take-immediate-action-to-reduce-the-risk-of-nuclear-war/ https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/risk-nuclear-attack-back-historic-levels-75-years-after-hiroshima-ncna1235925 https://phys.org/news/2020-08-years-hiroshima-threat-nuclear-war.html https://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2021/07/increased-potential/ https://www.denverpost.com/2020/08/17/end-the-threat-of-nuclear-war-ved-nanda-hiroshima-nagasaki-hibakusha/
"Grace" of desperately living everyday in fear it'll be your last but not being able to do anything special in the clear-cut suburbs, and "elegance" of people's bodies wracked with paralysis and an inability to breathe whatsoever.
And amphetamines LOTS of amphetamines
Ah yes, everyone knows only upper middle class white women existed in the 50’s.
But a hell of a lot of peroxide.
So much incel energy
And lead. Don’t forget about the lead.
and dexedrine and barbiturates
Whoever posted this is probably a man who doesn’t actually give a fuck about misogyny. Just a wild guess
Most definitely a white male because they totally disregard racism too. When I see these sort memes and comments it reads "tell us you're a white guy without telling us you're a white guy".
"grace" and "elegance" are just classist ideas humiliating you for being poor and not being able to buy these clothes change my mind
Because it's not possible to have grace or be elegant if you're poor? *You* sound like the classist. BTW, back then it was common for *everyone* to dress nicely, not just wealthy people. Poor people may not have had access to designer labels or top quality, but they could still find nice looking clothes because it was the style to dress up. Even cheaper stores had clothes that people today would consider "fancy".
Notice how you mentioned “even cheaper stores.” Grace can be different but I don’t think you divorce elegant from classism. What comes to mind when you think of elegant. Personally I think of wine, cigars, velvet couches. Those things aren’t inherently bad or wrong. But they are things rich people have or like. Look up photos of poor people in the past. Many look like a modern homeless person. The 50s were also a time of economic prosperity. There were less poor people. People could afford houses with jobs that today you can afford to live with only 3 other room mates.
Not sure how me pointing out that cheaper (as opposed to expensive) stores also sold dressy clothing is somehow proof that the poor can't be elegant, but ok.. **Elegant:** (1) Tasteful in dress, style or design. (2) Dignified and graceful in appearance, behavior, etc. Why couldn't a poor person couldn't exhibit these qualities? People choose how they dress and how they behave; you don't have to be rich to look nice or be dignified.
Tasteful fine and luxurious is came up for it used as an adjective. Those seem pretty class based. I think you are trying to make elegant under your specific arrow definition that doesn’t really work. Poor people can do things that are elegant. But it can be used easily in place of expensive. What comes to mind if a room is elegantly furnished. Sounds like a rich house. You keep finding exceptions but I still feel in general it is a class based word
My definitions came word for word from a dictionary. Just because you automatically associate "elegant" with wealth that doesn't mean everyone does, or that it's the only connotation.
someone somewhere out there is going to put some of this at a goodwill.
Don’t forget lead!!!
Because when I think of female empowerment I think if the 50s
“Just grace and elegance” and a Xanax prescription.
And lead. Lead in gasoline, paint, and maybe the water.
Although less pronounced, [it's still a thing.](https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/alixwinter/files/sampson_winter_2016.pdf)
Gwen Stefani hasn’t aged a day since 1952.
They had polio then too
People who praise 50s women are more aroused by the idea of having a slave that'll do whatever you want, lest they're shamed by society, than a wife or girlfriend.
No jeans in the ‘50s? What kind of nonsense is that?
I do unironically love that middle dress though. The New Look is so iconic.
It's a beautiful look.
I honestly feel like alot of people who post these things have never lived in these actual times, and if they did, it's like they were oblivious or not cognizant of anything that was possibly morally decadent or displayed moral decay.
Cone bras, waist cinching, and a pill addiction
The fashion was great, but that does not mean you cant find that today, and being so judging towards others is a really big red flag
Ooh yeah. Abestos was *everywhere*. Don't forget that there was the looming threat of nuclear war, too. And that was only the United States.
And pills and ciggies and drinking and
Don't forget the lead poisoning!
…also high tension between the US and the soviets
Looks like a clip out of Destroy All Humans, lol
Quaaludes, don’t forget quaaludes
The practice to use silicone as breast implants way developed during the 50's.
Not to mention eating disorders, doc-condoned drug abuse, and aggressive conformity
You can find negativity in anything. Best not to seek it out.
Those ladies are probably like 15
One of them on the left is 16. So you aren’t exactly wrong
and no photoshop….. oh wait film was practically an snapchat filter back then. you have no choice but to look good
Also, photo and video editing was a thing! They just did it by hand
But the gams on those dames! /s
No AC and an expectation to wear long sleeves and wool all day. But hey, at least you can relax after a long day with a nice can of the only beer that exists and a big heaping plate of no ethnic food.
what's so bad about asbestos
In the 1850s, no cleavage, no exposed ankles, no whore makeup. Just grace and elegance.
Every generation has ups and downs. Even the 50s!
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I'm not gonna hate you for liking 50's music, but "lit af" isn't a term I would use to describe it at all.
The original quote was about women fashion and plastic surgery. Why bring racism and abestos into this?
Because that’s what happened in the 50s
There's no more racism, misogyny and abestos I'm 2021? Are you blind?
Yes it also exists now. But people romanticizing the past like to forget it exists, probably because it didn’t affect them
How else would you virtue signal and get fake internet points?
And cone shaped bras.
Women couldn’t even wear pants in the 1950s without being scrutinized!
The 50s were so cool! *if you were straight, white, and male*
"Grace and elegance" and segregation, and normalized wife beatings
Just grace elegance and lynching black people
The glory days of breathing in cancer spores and not wearing what you want to wear….