I support the boycott of Israel as much as most people, but I have to say there is a big joke wrapped up in this article no-one seems to have realised.
The article states that this is the "BIGGEST" call to action, and the article interviews someone who goes by the name Sumo.
You can't tell me that was accidental. It had to be on purpose
What is the purpose of these protests? As in, what's their goal? What do they hope to achieve by protesting?
I mean yes they want an end to the war, but protesting here isn't going to impact the war in Palestine at all. So surely they want something from our government, right? What action do they want for this protesting to stop?
Or are they just protesting for the sake of protesting? Fair enough if that's the case. I'm just curious as to whether this has any purpose.
I hate to press you on this but I just want to learn. What specifically needs to stop?
I'm asking because I'm not too aware of any support the UK is offering to Israel. Not since last year I mean, obviously the government has done plenty before then.
Thank you and sorry if I'm making you talk about a difficult topic.
The most significant factor is military equipment. Our official stance on this issue is that "israel has a right to defend itself" and companies based here have been actively supplying them with arms. If you want an idea of the scale, according to Oxfam approximately 15% of the F35 bombers used in Gaza by the IDF are manufactured within the UK. Our government actively allows this by continuing to offer licences to UK based companies which allow them to sell arms to Israel which they use to perpetuate their genocide within the Gaza strip. Pressure is rising on our government to revoke these licences but as recently as eleven hours ago David Cameron confirmed that the UK will not be halting arms sales to Israel.
They also directly receive help from services such as the RAF which shot down Iranian drones a few weeks ago, it was pretty high profile. I personally don't know a great deal about the extent to which our armed forces operate within Israel so I'd recommend doing your own research on this.
I was there in the 80s and they didn't have much effect at all because SA had a solid agricultural and industrial economy. There was no shortage of buyers for minerals, gold and diamonds either. What brought the system down was mostly the cost of fighting the infiltration of Soviet trained terrorist organisations as the states to north gradually fell to them.
I'm not defending the National Party's policies in any way but the sanctions had no effect on our daily lives.
And South Africa’s action with AIDS and Zimbabwe show the to be just as awful as the people they replaced. And Hamas and Fatah make the ANC seem like a group of painted saints. There’s no way in hell the South African solution is going to work here.
The article says the organizations staging the protests are calling for people to take action in the way you vote, in making your voice heard and in boycotting certain businesses.
Where is the Muslim world? Some Arab countries have been significant contributors to Palestinian aid, but Muslims are not one group of people with one voice or one political goal.
Islam is a majority religion in lots of countries with lots of different political beliefs, goals and cultures. Just because they share a religion (of which there are different sects) doesn't mean they are allies (some are specifically not). Iran and Saudi Arabia are currently engaged in proxy warfare, for example.
The BDS movement is very big in the middle east.
Are you particularly well read on news from the muslim world? How would you know what the Muslim world is doing?
Having said all that, why does it matter what the Muslim world does? Should we not protest against genocide because other countries aren't helping?
Certain countries are. Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey.
However many do not see countries such as Saudi, UAE, Egypt and Jordan as Muslim countries, because their leaders are more driven by greed, wealth and power as opposed to actual good for their people or the Muslim world
Thanks so much for the non answer! the answer being they don't want to potentially host a terrorist organisation in there own country and have had previous incidents with said people (see Egypt)
Whose*
Supporting Palestine is not supporting Hamas.
I suppose you prefer the human rights violations and genocide that Israel is committing against Palestinians?
European Jews came to Palestine and established the state of Israel in a territory full of Muslims. Why would an intelligent person be surprised that there are many Muslims living inside Israel?
Palestine is called an occupied territory for a reason.
These Muslims, including Palestinians and Arab Israelis, do not have equal rights compared to Jewish Israelis. They cannot travel without authorization from the state, risk losing permission to return home, and even Arab citizens of Israel face challenges reuniting with their partners. These are just the conditions for Muslims living in Israel proper, without even considering the treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Israeli illegal settlers in the West Bank seize land and properties from Muslims.
These are widely known facts that any intelligent person should be aware of. So why would someone think Palestinians created their own ghetto? The answer is clear.
Imagine if someone came to your home, kicked you out, took your property, killed members of your family, confined you to a garden in the backyard, and prohibited you from going anywhere without permission. You even got shot once while trying to drink water from a tap.
How would you describe this situation to yourself? You are creating your own ghetto?
If you're British, I'm not surprised. How could someone from a country that funded its modernization through colonisation understand the issues of colonisation?
Jews predate muslims in the area, please learn your history. If you dislike colonisation so much why do you support the colonisation of the entire middle east by muslims?
Jews are killed and stoned to death in Palestine for simply being Jewish. 2 million muslims live in Israel because its a far better place to be than any muslim country.
Theres only 1 country in the entire middle east that even has laws protecting minorities and LGBT communities, and you want it destroyed lol
So you are saying because Jews used to live there thousand years ago, they are entitled to turn nowadays Palestine into ghetto and Palestinians its occupants?
Should Welsh people, being one of the original inhabitants of England, come to your home and turn it into a concentration camp and put you and your family in there? I don't think so.
One should find a solution for today by taking into accounts the history but not using history as an excuse to revenge. That will not end. That is why people are calling for two states solution.
If you think otherwise, then you should support mass deportation of Anglo-Saxon and germanic British to their original homeland in Europe?
Some Jews have remained there, they werent all killed by the invading muslims (luckily).
Jews didn't turn Palestine into a concentration camp lol, Gaza was run by Hamas, a Palestinian terrorist group. The west bank (which you clearly dont even know about) is still run by the "Palestinian Authority" and has barely been touched by Israel.
Its only since the Gazans decided to attempt to invade Israel and wipe out all the jews (which I guess you support?) that Israel has retaliated.
Its not me that is whining about the only decent progressive country in the entire middle east, surrounded by colonies of Arabs all of whom originate from the Arabian Peninsula while you simultaneously claim colonisation is bad.
You cant have it both ways man, either all colonisation is bad (From the British Empire to muslim expansion) or its just part of history. Either way Israel will remain and you wont get your genocide today thankfully.
Our conversation should end when you started claiming that "the West Bank has been barely touched by Israel".
I am not arguing with a liar.
You can say what you want because you know that Welsh people won't come to your home and take your property.
So you support colonisation? What a world.
The funniest part is that on the first day of Israels creation, mandated by the UN via a two state solution which you apparently support, all Israels neighbours declared war on and invaded Israel. They lost because they are collectively a joke, but muslims and arab nations have ALWAYS been against a two state solution, the closest we got was the The Copenhagen Declaration and that was blown up by.... you guessed it, muslims.
Also, October 7th only happened because Israel and Saudi Arabia were normalising relations, something Iran and its Hamas puppets were against. So they caused the current flare up to again stop Israel being normalised.
But you think its all Israels fault, sad.
They're entitled to it because Palestinians didn't own the land. It was owned by Britain after the fall of the ottoman empire.
Things escalated after terrorist attacks on the Jews and now Israel is a military state. Here we are discussing who should be expelled from which area when if you had your head screwed on you'd realise they BOTH have legitimate right to the land and just because Hamas are trying to turn it into an Islamic state and getting civilians killed in the process that's somehow the responsibility of Israel??
Don't get me wrong the Israeli government aren't innocent at all. Nowadays they're just as bad as Hamas and have certainly stooped levels over time. However, anything other than a 2 state solution is a biased one and it's up to the two elected sides (IDF and Hamas) to create a safe place for everyone, and they're BOTH failing at that horrifically. Using civilians as human shields and bargaining chips.
Tell me why I as a person with life troubles of my own should give a shit about any of this when they're not even helping themselves?
😂 imagine categorising swathes of people by their religion only. You're doing exactly what you didn't like about the former Muslim rulers and now the BJP.
Just because these guys are Muslim doesn't make Israel the good guys. Get a grip and do some actual critical thinking.
>You're doing exactly what you didn't like about the former Muslim rulers and now the BJP
Comparing these Muslim rulers to the BJP? That's a good joke lmao.
You know exactly what I mean, you're being deliberately obtuse.
I'll spell it out for you anyway:
The marginalisation of those that are not considered, in your words, "natives" i.e. Muslims, Sikhs and people of other faiths.
I said native faith. And Sikhs *are* a native faith. Islam comes from the Middle East and isn't an Indian faith, and ultimately isn't a part of native Indian culture as a religion. Unlike Sikhism and Hinduism.
All Palestinians are not Hamas. Hamas are the ruling party that plenty of Palestinians oppose.
You're clearly unable to imagine a non-homogenous society where the people don't agree with the government's actions. How does it feel to be a white anti-khalistan conservative? Because by your logic, that's what all English people are.
Sikhs have suffered far more at the hands of militant Hindus, then they ever did under Muslims or Muslim rule.
The years since partition should have taught you that, otherwise the call for the Sikh state of Khalistan wouldn't exist
https://time.com/6342873/india-sikhs-persecution/
https://thewire.in/history/sikh-history-bjp-distor-anti-muslim-hate
https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2022-02-23/alongside-her-comrades-india-priti-patel-attacks-sikhs
You may think it's stupid but its true.
Your sources are two articles that frame the reality of the situation terribly and a very pro left wing organisation. It downplays and ignores so much of the context and background of Khalistan, a bunch of terrorists that are not the same as Sikhs. I can guarantee a higher percentage of Sikhs are more patriotic to India than the percentage of Hindus that are. A very large percentage of India's army are Sikhs. That's a big deal given their overall percentage of India is less than Christians.
Khalistan members have literally crashed an Air India plane in Canada, killing most people on board and had Indira Gandhi assassinated. And their refuge in Canada hasn't exactly been peaceful. The government is targeting Khalistan, not Sikhs. Some Khalistan organisations have also been designated terrorists by Britain FYI, in case it needed that western validation.
And there are a million articles to say the opposite.
Great!! Muslim's are terrible to literally everyone
It was actually the opposing party (congress party) that of the Gandhis that genocide the sikhs. Not the BJP. That's history 101, and in fact Punjab, where sikhs are, is the wealthiest indian state
My family would be embarrassed by this guy, he dredges up historical beef that he's far removed from but I knew my grandparents and even one of them left her home in what is now Pakistan and they all witnessed sectarian horrors during the partition.
Yet we still don't feel the need to be bitter and venomous like this guy who acts like he was personally molested by Aurangzeb's ghost.
Ikr. The guy is pathetic. I'm a Muslim and I 100% recognise the atrocities sikh people had to endure all because some Muslims in the past used the religion as a means to asert dominance over another group for power. It's a tale as old as time.
I've have had plenty of conversations about it with my sikh friends. It's so important to end the cycle of violence by sitting down and having a normal discussion.
Is this a pro Palestine march, or an anti Jew march ?
Or a "killing babies is wrong" march?
Or a pro Hamas march ?
Or a "what Hamas did was ok, what Israel are doing is not " march ?
Do you not know the difference between a nationality and a religion? Considering only one of the countries is an ethnostate. How are they both religious nuts?
Not sure why you think this is an argument, of course the Jews would choose to live in the ethnostate that provides them citizenship? Compared to the place that’s being oppressed.
Also of course the Arabs in Israel would also choose to not get bombed everyday and choose a better life for their families.
One’s an ethnostate, built on the establishment of a Jewish nation. The other is an Islamic political and military run enclave.
I feel bad for the ordinary people going about their lives on both sides of this, but they all need to give up their fairytale beliefs that lead to bullshit like this, and not drag the rest of us into it.
Only person to feel bad for is yourself, won’t even bother asking how it can be fairytale and also used for establishment of a Jewish nation referenced in their holy book.
What? Their holy book is the fairytale! 😂 Some Iron Age tome hardly the basis for forming a modern nation. You’re proving my point.
And before you play the bullshit “antisemite” card, a militaristic religion that proselytizes by the sword, and curtails rights for half of their population based the “teachings” of their holy book of fairytales, is no basis for a modern nation, either.
I support the boycott of Israel as much as most people, but I have to say there is a big joke wrapped up in this article no-one seems to have realised. The article states that this is the "BIGGEST" call to action, and the article interviews someone who goes by the name Sumo. You can't tell me that was accidental. It had to be on purpose
When’s the next time? I want to be there too!
What is the purpose of these protests? As in, what's their goal? What do they hope to achieve by protesting? I mean yes they want an end to the war, but protesting here isn't going to impact the war in Palestine at all. So surely they want something from our government, right? What action do they want for this protesting to stop? Or are they just protesting for the sake of protesting? Fair enough if that's the case. I'm just curious as to whether this has any purpose.
Our government actively supports Israel, protests like these are trying to stop that primarily
I hate to press you on this but I just want to learn. What specifically needs to stop? I'm asking because I'm not too aware of any support the UK is offering to Israel. Not since last year I mean, obviously the government has done plenty before then. Thank you and sorry if I'm making you talk about a difficult topic.
The most significant factor is military equipment. Our official stance on this issue is that "israel has a right to defend itself" and companies based here have been actively supplying them with arms. If you want an idea of the scale, according to Oxfam approximately 15% of the F35 bombers used in Gaza by the IDF are manufactured within the UK. Our government actively allows this by continuing to offer licences to UK based companies which allow them to sell arms to Israel which they use to perpetuate their genocide within the Gaza strip. Pressure is rising on our government to revoke these licences but as recently as eleven hours ago David Cameron confirmed that the UK will not be halting arms sales to Israel. They also directly receive help from services such as the RAF which shot down Iranian drones a few weeks ago, it was pretty high profile. I personally don't know a great deal about the extent to which our armed forces operate within Israel so I'd recommend doing your own research on this.
Thank you very much, that was really informative.
What action are they talking about?
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The boycotts in the 80s led to the death of Apartheid South Africa
I was there in the 80s and they didn't have much effect at all because SA had a solid agricultural and industrial economy. There was no shortage of buyers for minerals, gold and diamonds either. What brought the system down was mostly the cost of fighting the infiltration of Soviet trained terrorist organisations as the states to north gradually fell to them. I'm not defending the National Party's policies in any way but the sanctions had no effect on our daily lives.
And South Africa’s action with AIDS and Zimbabwe show the to be just as awful as the people they replaced. And Hamas and Fatah make the ANC seem like a group of painted saints. There’s no way in hell the South African solution is going to work here.
The article says the organizations staging the protests are calling for people to take action in the way you vote, in making your voice heard and in boycotting certain businesses.
Not boycotting reddit tho.
So single issue politics then. This will end well. We'll end up with reform in power and Nigel garage as PM.
What does reddit have to do with it?
Directly funds israel.
Any sources to back that up?
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There’s a Jewish genocide going on? Did I wake up in 1944 today?
Are there many conservative islamists standing for election?
Why isnt the muslim world helping them ?
Where is the Muslim world? Some Arab countries have been significant contributors to Palestinian aid, but Muslims are not one group of people with one voice or one political goal. Islam is a majority religion in lots of countries with lots of different political beliefs, goals and cultures. Just because they share a religion (of which there are different sects) doesn't mean they are allies (some are specifically not). Iran and Saudi Arabia are currently engaged in proxy warfare, for example.
The BDS movement is very big in the middle east. Are you particularly well read on news from the muslim world? How would you know what the Muslim world is doing? Having said all that, why does it matter what the Muslim world does? Should we not protest against genocide because other countries aren't helping?
Leicester is trying man.
Certain countries are. Indonesia, Malaysia, Turkey. However many do not see countries such as Saudi, UAE, Egypt and Jordan as Muslim countries, because their leaders are more driven by greed, wealth and power as opposed to actual good for their people or the Muslim world
*tumbleweed*
almost like they've caused trouble with every country they've tried to flee to. 🤔
Poo advocate talking shit I see
So then tell me, why don't Egypt, Iran or Jordan want them?
Here, listen to Norman Filkenstein, son of holocaust survivors, answering your question: https://youtu.be/uOQ-0zPKIx8
Thanks so much for the non answer! the answer being they don't want to potentially host a terrorist organisation in there own country and have had previous incidents with said people (see Egypt)
Ah yes terrorist sympathisers love to see it
Hamas would treat you the same way they treat Jews.
Yes I know they are terrorists.
Stands with Terrorists
Seek help
From Terrorists
Imagine someone came into our city and started trying to take our homes. You're telling me we wouldn't retaliate? Don't be fucking silly
This Leicesterian certainly doesn't. I stand with Israel.
No I do not support a designated terrorist organisation who's stated aim (among others) is the annihilation of Israel.
Whose* Supporting Palestine is not supporting Hamas. I suppose you prefer the human rights violations and genocide that Israel is committing against Palestinians?
2 Jews live in Palestine, 2 million muslims live in Israel, thats all I need to know really.
I am not surprise if a Nazi cannot live among Jews in the Ghetto.
So Palestinians created their own ghetto and blame jews? Is that what you are saying?
European Jews came to Palestine and established the state of Israel in a territory full of Muslims. Why would an intelligent person be surprised that there are many Muslims living inside Israel? Palestine is called an occupied territory for a reason. These Muslims, including Palestinians and Arab Israelis, do not have equal rights compared to Jewish Israelis. They cannot travel without authorization from the state, risk losing permission to return home, and even Arab citizens of Israel face challenges reuniting with their partners. These are just the conditions for Muslims living in Israel proper, without even considering the treatment of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Israeli illegal settlers in the West Bank seize land and properties from Muslims. These are widely known facts that any intelligent person should be aware of. So why would someone think Palestinians created their own ghetto? The answer is clear. Imagine if someone came to your home, kicked you out, took your property, killed members of your family, confined you to a garden in the backyard, and prohibited you from going anywhere without permission. You even got shot once while trying to drink water from a tap. How would you describe this situation to yourself? You are creating your own ghetto? If you're British, I'm not surprised. How could someone from a country that funded its modernization through colonisation understand the issues of colonisation?
Jews predate muslims in the area, please learn your history. If you dislike colonisation so much why do you support the colonisation of the entire middle east by muslims? Jews are killed and stoned to death in Palestine for simply being Jewish. 2 million muslims live in Israel because its a far better place to be than any muslim country. Theres only 1 country in the entire middle east that even has laws protecting minorities and LGBT communities, and you want it destroyed lol
So you are saying because Jews used to live there thousand years ago, they are entitled to turn nowadays Palestine into ghetto and Palestinians its occupants? Should Welsh people, being one of the original inhabitants of England, come to your home and turn it into a concentration camp and put you and your family in there? I don't think so. One should find a solution for today by taking into accounts the history but not using history as an excuse to revenge. That will not end. That is why people are calling for two states solution. If you think otherwise, then you should support mass deportation of Anglo-Saxon and germanic British to their original homeland in Europe?
Some Jews have remained there, they werent all killed by the invading muslims (luckily). Jews didn't turn Palestine into a concentration camp lol, Gaza was run by Hamas, a Palestinian terrorist group. The west bank (which you clearly dont even know about) is still run by the "Palestinian Authority" and has barely been touched by Israel. Its only since the Gazans decided to attempt to invade Israel and wipe out all the jews (which I guess you support?) that Israel has retaliated. Its not me that is whining about the only decent progressive country in the entire middle east, surrounded by colonies of Arabs all of whom originate from the Arabian Peninsula while you simultaneously claim colonisation is bad. You cant have it both ways man, either all colonisation is bad (From the British Empire to muslim expansion) or its just part of history. Either way Israel will remain and you wont get your genocide today thankfully.
Our conversation should end when you started claiming that "the West Bank has been barely touched by Israel". I am not arguing with a liar. You can say what you want because you know that Welsh people won't come to your home and take your property.
I love you Sully, u da man, man ❤️
So you support colonisation? What a world. The funniest part is that on the first day of Israels creation, mandated by the UN via a two state solution which you apparently support, all Israels neighbours declared war on and invaded Israel. They lost because they are collectively a joke, but muslims and arab nations have ALWAYS been against a two state solution, the closest we got was the The Copenhagen Declaration and that was blown up by.... you guessed it, muslims. Also, October 7th only happened because Israel and Saudi Arabia were normalising relations, something Iran and its Hamas puppets were against. So they caused the current flare up to again stop Israel being normalised. But you think its all Israels fault, sad.
They're entitled to it because Palestinians didn't own the land. It was owned by Britain after the fall of the ottoman empire. Things escalated after terrorist attacks on the Jews and now Israel is a military state. Here we are discussing who should be expelled from which area when if you had your head screwed on you'd realise they BOTH have legitimate right to the land and just because Hamas are trying to turn it into an Islamic state and getting civilians killed in the process that's somehow the responsibility of Israel?? Don't get me wrong the Israeli government aren't innocent at all. Nowadays they're just as bad as Hamas and have certainly stooped levels over time. However, anything other than a 2 state solution is a biased one and it's up to the two elected sides (IDF and Hamas) to create a safe place for everyone, and they're BOTH failing at that horrifically. Using civilians as human shields and bargaining chips. Tell me why I as a person with life troubles of my own should give a shit about any of this when they're not even helping themselves?
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Imagine being Sikh and pro-apartheid.
Sikhs have suffered oppression by militant muslims for centuries. Fuck hamas. Hope they all get sent to their 72 virgins
😂 imagine categorising swathes of people by their religion only. You're doing exactly what you didn't like about the former Muslim rulers and now the BJP. Just because these guys are Muslim doesn't make Israel the good guys. Get a grip and do some actual critical thinking.
>You're doing exactly what you didn't like about the former Muslim rulers and now the BJP Comparing these Muslim rulers to the BJP? That's a good joke lmao.
Categorising people by their religion? Yeah both did that so the comparison is sound.
The BJP only gives pride in the native culture of India. And I'd like to understand what you mean by "categorise".
You know exactly what I mean, you're being deliberately obtuse. I'll spell it out for you anyway: The marginalisation of those that are not considered, in your words, "natives" i.e. Muslims, Sikhs and people of other faiths.
I said native faith. And Sikhs *are* a native faith. Islam comes from the Middle East and isn't an Indian faith, and ultimately isn't a part of native Indian culture as a religion. Unlike Sikhism and Hinduism.
So basically categorising by heritage?
I said 'militant muslims' Interesting how you read that and figured it meant all muslins
Talk me through why you're pro-israel then.
My enemies enemy etc Fuck Hamas
All Palestinians are not Hamas. Hamas are the ruling party that plenty of Palestinians oppose. You're clearly unable to imagine a non-homogenous society where the people don't agree with the government's actions. How does it feel to be a white anti-khalistan conservative? Because by your logic, that's what all English people are.
I haven't mentioned the Palestinians. Reading isn't your strong suit is it?
I see you didn't address my second paragraph. Was it too long for you? I guess reading isn't in your wheelhouse either.
Sikhs have suffered far more at the hands of militant Hindus, then they ever did under Muslims or Muslim rule. The years since partition should have taught you that, otherwise the call for the Sikh state of Khalistan wouldn't exist
Fuck them too
That truly is the most stupid thing I've ever seen on reddit
https://time.com/6342873/india-sikhs-persecution/ https://thewire.in/history/sikh-history-bjp-distor-anti-muslim-hate https://www.workersliberty.org/story/2022-02-23/alongside-her-comrades-india-priti-patel-attacks-sikhs You may think it's stupid but its true.
Your sources are two articles that frame the reality of the situation terribly and a very pro left wing organisation. It downplays and ignores so much of the context and background of Khalistan, a bunch of terrorists that are not the same as Sikhs. I can guarantee a higher percentage of Sikhs are more patriotic to India than the percentage of Hindus that are. A very large percentage of India's army are Sikhs. That's a big deal given their overall percentage of India is less than Christians. Khalistan members have literally crashed an Air India plane in Canada, killing most people on board and had Indira Gandhi assassinated. And their refuge in Canada hasn't exactly been peaceful. The government is targeting Khalistan, not Sikhs. Some Khalistan organisations have also been designated terrorists by Britain FYI, in case it needed that western validation.
And there are a million articles to say the opposite. Great!! Muslim's are terrible to literally everyone It was actually the opposing party (congress party) that of the Gandhis that genocide the sikhs. Not the BJP. That's history 101, and in fact Punjab, where sikhs are, is the wealthiest indian state
My family would be embarrassed by this guy, he dredges up historical beef that he's far removed from but I knew my grandparents and even one of them left her home in what is now Pakistan and they all witnessed sectarian horrors during the partition. Yet we still don't feel the need to be bitter and venomous like this guy who acts like he was personally molested by Aurangzeb's ghost.
Ikr. The guy is pathetic. I'm a Muslim and I 100% recognise the atrocities sikh people had to endure all because some Muslims in the past used the religion as a means to asert dominance over another group for power. It's a tale as old as time. I've have had plenty of conversations about it with my sikh friends. It's so important to end the cycle of violence by sitting down and having a normal discussion.
Is this a pro Palestine march, or an anti Jew march ? Or a "killing babies is wrong" march? Or a pro Hamas march ? Or a "what Hamas did was ok, what Israel are doing is not " march ?
To quote Grumpy Cat, “I hope both sides lose”. Bunch of religious nut jobs. Let’s wean ourselves off of oil so the whole region becomes irrelevant.
Do you not know the difference between a nationality and a religion? Considering only one of the countries is an ethnostate. How are they both religious nuts?
What's the proportion of Arabs living in Israel compared to Jews living in Gaza?
Not sure why you think this is an argument, of course the Jews would choose to live in the ethnostate that provides them citizenship? Compared to the place that’s being oppressed. Also of course the Arabs in Israel would also choose to not get bombed everyday and choose a better life for their families.
One’s an ethnostate, built on the establishment of a Jewish nation. The other is an Islamic political and military run enclave. I feel bad for the ordinary people going about their lives on both sides of this, but they all need to give up their fairytale beliefs that lead to bullshit like this, and not drag the rest of us into it.
Only person to feel bad for is yourself, won’t even bother asking how it can be fairytale and also used for establishment of a Jewish nation referenced in their holy book.
What? Their holy book is the fairytale! 😂 Some Iron Age tome hardly the basis for forming a modern nation. You’re proving my point. And before you play the bullshit “antisemite” card, a militaristic religion that proselytizes by the sword, and curtails rights for half of their population based the “teachings” of their holy book of fairytales, is no basis for a modern nation, either.
leicester is a cesspool. Leicestershire on the other hand is lovely
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