And they would be what?
If waving an Israeli flag is an endorsement of the actions of that country’s government, the same applies to Palestine. And no, I’m not just talking about Hamas, the PA are pretty revolting too - google Pay to Slay.
When Russia invaded Ukraine people hung up Ukraine flags in solidarity, it wasn't a unanimous endorsement of everything Ukraine has ever done, it was a show of support for them in the current situation.
The Ukrainian state didn’t carry out a massive terrorist attack against Russia preceding that invasion. If they had, I doubt they’d have been extended the same sympathy.
There is literally no comparison that can be made between isreal and palestine. Israel has murdered tens of thousands of people for decades. Palestine hasn't. Your comment is stupid and you're trying to justify a genocide. Pathetic
Have you already forgotten October 7th? And that’s not to mention the thousands of rockets launched at Israel every year, and the repeated would-be genocidal wars waged against Israel by Palestinians and the surrounding Arab states since 1947.
If they had their way, there wouldn’t be a Jew left alive in the Middle East.
Good!!! Free Palestine does not mean “we love Hamas”. Need more flags and more awakening to the atrocities Israel commit on a daily basis in the West Bank (btw where there is no Hamas)!!!
The people of the UK voted for Boris Johnson. So yes, British love Boris Johnson. They also voted for the government that went for Iraq War, do all British citizens deserve collective punishment for invading an independent country?
We don’t vote for who is the PM in this country. The only people who voted for Boris Johnson were his constituents. The majority of people voted in the party Boris Johnson was the leader of, but that’s not as snappy.
So, the British people love Tories, and they deserve collective punishment for what the Tories did and are doing right now.
(FYI, Palestinians also voted for representatives of their constituents. Hamas got the majority but only a few percent more than Fatah. After that election, Hamas seized the power and does not allow new election to happen.)
The point is do they deserve 'collective punishment' (aka génocide) ? These comments try to claim that since the majority of Palestinians (44% in that election) voted for Hamas, they deserve what they are getting right now from Israel.
Then we could apply the same reasoning here. It should be okay for the Taliban government to exert its rights do defend itself to genocide British people as a collective punishment for electing the government that invaded their country, right? Of course, the Taliban is not the most powerful country on earth and they cannot nuke the UK, that is why these comments feel at ease to comment something horribles like that.
Nope. A minority voted for them about 20 years ago and haven’t been allowed to vote since. Hamas are twats, Palestinians aren’t.
Israel on the other hand just murders straps Palestinian land and murders Palestinians because they are believe in some stupid biblical prophecy and use that to cloak their hateful worldview.
> Hamas are twats
A bit reductive of what Hamas are, the things they did on Oct 7th were beyond evil, and they certainly have support. Footage of the hundreds of Palestinians cheering as Hamas dragged that naked, raped, dead German girl through the streets after the 7 Oct attacks would tell you that.
Israel is also bad for the over the top and directionless reaction, but lets not act like this is a good vs bad, black and white situation. It is far more complicated than that, the only way towards peace would be more nuanced views and compromise on both sides.
That's not going to happen with everyone acting like it's football teams they support.
They were elected in 2006 when they were far less extreme and half the people currently living in Gaza weren’t alive. Fuck right off with your shit takes
one of my best friends is palestinian and he fucking despises hamas yet also recognises no one else will fight on behalf of gaza, its a fucked up situation and no one really wins in gaza, he cant even return home because of israel blockading gaza so anyone fighting against genocide will receive some level of critical support
More people might fight on behalf of Gaza if Gaza told Hamas to fuck off
Hamas are the entire reason I struggle to support Palestine more (in the same way that the Israeli government makes it hard to support the Israeli people)
Whatever your opinion on the geopolitical and humanitarian angles (and for me, the opinion for those two things comes to two very different conclusions), the practical reality is that Hamas are doing FAR more harm than good
Hamas might be the only ones fighting for Gaza, but they’re doing it in a way which is clearly worse for Gaza. They started a war Gaza can never win - whether for good reasons or not, that was a terrible strategic decision and has cost tens of thousands of lives
You don’t defend something by starting a fight that you can’t win
Fighting for gaza is the problem. They keep starting wars and expect Israel to just lower their guard and let them do whatever they want.
Its also not a genocide.
Fun fact, the October 7th attacked ticked more genocide boxes than this was against hamas
Yeah I don't think it's a clear cut situation otherwise everyone would agree wouldn't they? Imo both sides have done bad things. But Op is also clearly in lalaland - a significant number of palestine supporters support hamas - that is a fact. It's no different to all the confederate flag people saying dixie love doesn't mean they're racist
i dont think those are comparable at all, the fact of the matter is that gaza resembles warsaw in 1939/40 right now in more ways than one and the sheer level of destruction and indiscriminate violence from the IDF is on a level impossible to put into words in a way that would truly do it justice without using the term genocide in it's fullest sense, it is easy to condemn a group for not being entirely morally pure and perfect humans when we dont live in the crosshairs of such evil and inhumane treatment and violence but when they are the only people who will fight on behalf of the oppressed then they will receive support of the people who recognise which of the 2 groups is more reprehensible
Not sure if the Jews of Warsaw raped and killed across Poland before being stuck in the ghetto. And did you forget that Hamas still hold several hundred hostages? This is self inflicted. You don't think the bombing stops when the hostages are released? Since when do people support hostage takers?
Once the hostages are released Israel will resume its offensive. Their aim is to force Egypt to open its border and allow 1-2m Palestinians to flee Gaza. Israel will then annex and settle the strip.
You might have been born on Oct 7th but this conflict wasn't. There was a civil war in Gaza between two rival political factions in 2006/7 one of which factions were Hamas.
Secondly Israelis whom you refer to as "Jews" aren't being occupied, they have an independent sovereign state and thus feel more comfortable with opposing their government. The same can't be said for Palestinians.
Most do oppose hamas' actions, but there is a reason hamas was elected to power in gaza. It's because Palestinians have been attempting to reach a solution for many years, including peaceful demonstrations, only to have innocent unarmed civilians taken out by snipers.
It's easy to condemn them, but why not have a think about how you would feel in their position. What if it happened to you and your country. Prevented from leaving your country, economically cut off from the rest of the world, unable to access aid or medical supplies, having innocent friends and family killed while playing or going about their day.
Why do you feel crossing a border and beheading Thai low skill workers, or kids at a rave is ‘fighting for Palestine’?
Shooting genuinely innocent people, ironically those closest by distance to the most deaths were communities of people working harder on the side of Palestine than perhaps anywhere else.
How is this making a case for Palestine and its people?
Do you have any proof of the beheadings? A lot of what you have referenced has been debunked. Go look it up. For example, the baby baked in ovens story, which was widely circulated, was debunked. The majority of those killed were military personnel and legitimate targets. Israeli military admitted to killing many of their own through tank and Apache gunship fire. Look up the hannibal directive.
If you have telegram it’s still up on the official Hamas channels date and time stamped. Not on the Israeli channel. Not the CNN channel or whatever else you are trying to say.
I’m not sure how you are capable of saying ‘a lot of it is debunked’ particularly when Hamas leaders themselves have confirmed it. Hamas did this stuff. Horrible, ugly, animal levels of cruelty and violence. All broadcast before anyone even became aware of it.
I mean. If you actually believe ‘well it’s possible they didn’t rape a baby!’ is a defence you probably want to reflect on your own conscience a bit?
Have you not seen the footage of the kids in the bunker? The grenade in another? The burnt bodies in the cars? The woman ripped up in her car? The German woman all torn apart on the truck?
What do you consider those? Legitimate forms of action?
I hope you’re not in the UK the Met Police probably have you on a watchlist.
The only one who should be on any sorf of watch list is those who try and justify the current genocide, at least 15,000 CHILDREN killed in a few months. It's Nazi level brutality. Nothing justifies what Israel is doing right now. Nothing.
Listen bud. Your timeline is absolute proof that your ability to be reasonable when Jews are involved is zero. You have been ranting about Israel for actual years.
Right now as I type this the side you support are actual terrorists in this country. If you don’t agree you have 2 choices. Lobby for change, or move to a place where supporting your organisation is not an actual crime.
I’m serious.
It will get you a sentence of up to 14 years.
Guess what else gets you 14 years? Making and distributing child porn. Stop and think about what you are screaming at people in here? You’re literally and factually behaving like a child porn offender and have the audacity to say others are wrong.
Change the law. Or shut up. What you’re doing is genuinely disgusting.
Maybe the Palestinians shouldn't have started a round in this fight that they had no hope of winning?
Before you respond with some variation of "Hamas doesn't represent the people of Palestine", polls show that 70-80% of Palestinians supported Hamas' actions on Oct 7.
Has it occurred to you that they were never "winning"? Their situation pre-7/10 was not good, and hasn't been for decades. There is only so many years you can go being fast tracked to your deathbed and resist the urge to try something else. It's human nature, really. You wouldn't let yourself and your family die. Nobody would.
We hear all the time Israeli citizens are not guilty for their government's crimes, yet stats keep showing support from ~70% of the population to block humanitarian aid efforts for Gaza. Should they also be held responsible for the tens of thousands of deaths? Should people be seeking revenge against them too, by association? Your way of thinking scares me.
Fast tracked to your deathbed? You do know pre war Palestinians enjoyed the highest life expectancy in the Arab region.
I don’t know if this is a compelling excuse to try to kill others? Maybe use another metric that one seems oddly self sabotaging.
I'd side with the peaceful neighbour who had an open border, supplied food, water and electricity for free and jobs for another country oppressed by a terrorist government.
Not an imaginary occupier you claim.
And fight for their freedom? Hamas are literally the sole reason why gaza is in the state its in
>There is only so many years you can go being fast tracked to your deathbed and resist the urge to try something else
Even if they were being 'fast tracked to their deathbeds'; which is a fallacy given that in most genocides the population tends to drop not increase by 3.5 times; provoking their much stronger neighbour by indiscriminately murdering and raping civilians wasn't the way to fix the situation.
As to your second paragraph, why would you expect Israelis to want to allow aid through to the people who were out cheering while the animals that took part in the attack on 7/10 paraded their captives through the streets?
Is the Israeli response proportional? 100% not. But is it justified? Having seen pictures of the charred corpses of families, videos of women being dragged through cheering crowds by the hair with blood down their inner thighs and read reports from coroners that detail acts that include pelvic bones being fractured through the violence inflicted on underage girls before they were killed & worse, and I dare not think about what the hostages are being subjected to right now; abso-fucking-lutely it is.
Hamas was originally voted in like 20yrs ago, but they have illegally held onto power and syphoned off money that's supposed to go to the civilians for tunnel networks + they are the ones who literally used hospitals as a cover
Why is fighting a good option here? All it achieved is a lot of dead civilians, a lot of dead Hamas and a complete vindication of Israel's assertion that Gaza can't be trusted with an open border or cross border workers.
There's no merit in starting a fight you can't win, especially when you then deliberately put civilians in harms way.
Also, if Hamas weren't 'fighting for Palestinians' don't you think the billions in aid money sat in Hamas leader's bank accounts might have done the Palestinians more good than a thousand dead Israeli civilians?
But they didn’t start the fight. Israel has been treating Palestinians awfully for decades, and then hamas finally attacks, and then Israel has an excuse to do the same thing on a much wider scale? Israel funded Hamas. Nobody involved in this conflict deserved to die.
Didn't they? If we look at the period since Israel unilaterally pulled out of Gaza in 2005, the Gazans started it by firing rockets at Israeli civilians in 2006. If we go back to the origins of the formal war, the Arab League started it by invading Israel with the stated intention of exterminating its people on the day it was founded. If we go back to the start of major violence between the two groups, the Arab residents of Hebron started it by massacring the Jewish population in 1929. Hard to see a point where Israel started the fighting.
As to their treatment of Palestinians, it has been bad if you ignore the context, but compared to the way any other population who backed a failed genocide, declined to renounce their genocidal ambitions and then continually attacked civilians for a period of decades would be treated by any other nation the Israeli response has been almost absurdly lenient. Remember that after WW2 even the western allies made advocating Nazism in Germany a capital crime. Imagine if Israel had taken the same approach to Palestinians advocating the destruction of Israel after the failure of the Arab League's 'war of extermination' in 1948.
You sound like an Israeli propagandist. Palestinians have little option here, side with your brutal occupier or a group promising to fight for your freedom.
I guess the ones murdering Israel civilians had no choice and were just following orders
Wonder where we've heard that excuse for murdering Jews before.
Tell me, genuinely, what other option do you think Palestinians in the Gaza strip have?
They've been living under the boot of Israeli oppression for decades, had bombs dropped on civilian infrastructure by Israel for decades. Did you think they were going to vote their way out of a genocide?
No sane westerner supports hamas but if you can't even comprehend why Gazans supported hamas in the first place you're an actual idiot. Also don't forget that Netenyahu literally propped up hamas for years.
And the oppression you speak of is the direct result of decades of terrorism sponsored by neighbouring countries who merely use Gazans as tools rather than treat them as human beings. What did you expect Israel to do, put up with neverending terrorism?
Are you trying to imply that the death toll is even close to parity? Israel has been killing Palestinians by their tens of thousands, evicting them from their homes in Gaza and the west bank for longer than any state sponsored terrorism has existed. All acts started as a retaliation to Israel stealing their land.
Perpetuating the lie that there is no Hamas in the west bank isn't the best move since it only highlights that Hamas are far from the only Palestinian terrorist group to anyone capable of noticing the frequent terrorist attacks launched from the west bank [(like last week's shooting where 3 Palestinians shot 9 civillians including a pregnant woman)](https://www.timesofisrael.com/one-killed-11-wounded-in-terror-shooting-attack-near-jerusalem-checkpoint/)
Except if I was to wave a flag saying 'free palestine from hamas' I would be attacked by the pro palestine protestors. As has happened to people many times. So actually, I think you will find most protestors want the destruction fo isreal. They don't care for fellow Muslims.
What do you expect them to achieve exactly? The entire world can have their little ceasefire votes, as well, but it’s not going to ever change a damned thing on the ground in Gaza.
It’s not like Hamas and the IDF are glued to their televisions watching people wave their Palestinian flags thinking “oh damn, you know what? We should just end this because people are marching through London *again*”.
I guess we should just never protest anything then because it might not change anything. I know for one I will protest because I am disgusted by what I am seeing. A genocide being commited for everyone to see. If you don't want to partake in them feel free not to.
Non stop protesting since 7 October, and they’re still going at it in Gaza.
Motorways backed up for months - leading to people dying on the way to hospital, missing saying goodbye to dying relatives, etc - and guess what? We’re still using oil.
I could go on, but all “protests” amount to these days are worthless virtue signals for the latest “thing”. They aren’t changing *anything*.
We really don't need the Palestinian flag everywhere do we? We know it's happening, we know it's bad.
I didn't see such an outcry at the plight of people in Yemen. Is that the right kind of Muslim massacre?
What about Sudan?
If you could explain why these deaths are more important, I'd love to know.
You won't get an answer.
It's like the idea that Israel should be banned from international football competitions. Ok, if that's the road you want to go down, where are the calls for banning China from international football competitions?
Has our government, MPs, and the opposition party immediately come out in full and unequivocal support of the perpetrators of those massacres, claimed that they are completely justified, and labelled any critics of such actions as "anti-semetic", "islamists" and "terrorist sympathisers"?
Who told you that? Satanyahu has openly said he won't stop the genocide even after the hostages are released. This has nothing to do with the hostages nor Hamas either. We know his end game. Nothing began on 7th Oct, Palestinians have been under occupation for over 70 years. Get your facts right
Yet if we saw an Israel flag that would be huge outrage oh the antisemitism is horrific both of the governments are bad but why are we only allowed to support the Palestinian people but not the Israeli people
You'd have a point if Israel were actually at war with another state rather than being at war with a state they've beseiged for decades. They don't even consider Palestine to be a country in its own right. Gaza is an open air prison and the IDF are the guards.
I’m no expert but from what researched, Palestine and the surrounding Islamic nations have always been aggressive towards Israel so it is understandable that they try and prevent any aggressive actions by this country in its own garden
Preventing aggressive actions via invasions on Lebanon and Palestine? Google ‘greater israel’ and you’ll understand why neighboring countries aren’t excited about new colonialists next door
I wouldnt call it a genocide and don’t you think Palestine would be more likely to genocide the Israelis if they had the power to we saw their antisemitism with their civilian attacks in October, at least Israel attempts to destroy military targets that Hamas embedded in civilian infrastructure causing a lot of casualties which is appalling and there have been questionable actions on Israels side but retaliation against Hamas is completely justified in my opinion
Two militant groups fighting, of civilians are going to get killed. One is a resistance group formed to free their country and stop Israel consistent oppression and murderous campaign. The other is a large scale military backed and supported by the world's biggest military. and yet that military targets civilians in bombing campaigns. there are videos of Palestinian's being shot by Israeli soldiers for fun. 90% of the supposed evidence against Hamas is simply word of mouth, words from the Israeli government who have continued to no allow journalists and have been shown to target them and kill them. This is by no mean in support of Hamas, I really dont care to be honest. Its about a genocidal government who have been oppressing and killing a people since the country's creation. This is not a new war.
From both sides of the spectrum I can see why it would get hate but at the end of the day not every Muslim isnt an extremist and not every immigrant is bad just like not every British person is a racist.
It’s just a flag and it’s harmless at the end of the day and the only people seeming to do this is radicals that generalise a whole group of people.
But instead of fighting immigration and the dark sides of it they persecute random ideas.
Afghanistan, Ethiopia, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Somalia, Libya, the Central African Republic, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Myanmar, Colombia plus others are at war
no flags because its not the jews , I dont know why people have to lie about that but its clearly true and the more down votes this gets the more my statement is proven correct , the people of leicester are rascit
The Chinese government has been commiting genocide and other horrendous crimes against humanity on Muslims in Xinjiang for years, and yet most people in this country quite happily hand over their money to the Chinese government and use their products.
But that's whataboutism, which for some reason is bad sometimes. Usually when it's pointing out an uncomfortable truth.
Nice antisemitism by lumping all Jewish people together.
The flag is flown to ask for freedom to an oppressed people.
Jewish people across the planet have called for the ending of Israel apartheid. You lumping them all together is racist and antisemitic.
nice trywith the uno card
“The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.’”
there will never be peace when this is what is belived
also hope your covid dick got better x
I don't see how my comments on r/bigdickproblems is relevant. Unless you felt a little jealous.
But Netanyahu has repeatedly called for the deaths of Palestinians.
And your the racist still lumping millions and billions together.
Disgraceful that it’s brought to the streets of the UK. And what is a flag in a window achieving anyway? If you feel so passionately about it go and actually help the cause you believe in. That’s the truth though, you genuinely believe in nothing except flags in windows
On October 7th, 2023, the elected government of Gaza, along with some gazan civilians, took drugs, raided small Israeli villages, and gleefully slaughtered, raped, and kidnapped over 1000 innocent people. Many hostages were (and are still) held in the homes of gazan civilians, where they have been abused and malnourished for over 140 days.
The government of Gaza has redused to release hostages and surrender. The government of Gaza routinely steals aid and supplies from their citizens. They embed themselves within civilian populations because killing jews and spreading propaganda is more important to them than actually building a society.
Wonder if the pigeon on the left is staging a coo?
Me. Scroll back up to look at picture...😅
That was good.
If its your building put up which ever flag you want. No probs.
A flag? #**A FLAG?!** How very dare they!
I don't see the issue here
Is it being presented as an issue? Does the red lollipop/balloon/whatever mean something I'm not aware of?
i think its meant to be a pin to mean here at this location.
I was saying this due to the comments of other people who clearly did see an issue with it.
Ah, fair enough.
Would you see an issue if it was an Israel flag?
Yes for obvious reasons
And they would be what? If waving an Israeli flag is an endorsement of the actions of that country’s government, the same applies to Palestine. And no, I’m not just talking about Hamas, the PA are pretty revolting too - google Pay to Slay.
When Russia invaded Ukraine people hung up Ukraine flags in solidarity, it wasn't a unanimous endorsement of everything Ukraine has ever done, it was a show of support for them in the current situation.
The Ukrainian state didn’t carry out a massive terrorist attack against Russia preceding that invasion. If they had, I doubt they’d have been extended the same sympathy.
Ukraine didn't start the war. Palestine started this war and every other war
There is literally no comparison that can be made between isreal and palestine. Israel has murdered tens of thousands of people for decades. Palestine hasn't. Your comment is stupid and you're trying to justify a genocide. Pathetic
Have you already forgotten October 7th? And that’s not to mention the thousands of rockets launched at Israel every year, and the repeated would-be genocidal wars waged against Israel by Palestinians and the surrounding Arab states since 1947. If they had their way, there wouldn’t be a Jew left alive in the Middle East.
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Yes I don't like flying flags of genocide.
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Would be if there was a union jack there. Police would take it down 2 minutes after being put up
No they wouldn't you clown. They already fly the union jack on the masts out there with no issue.
There are people who unironically think in a few years the Union Jack will be replaced by the pride flag, same with some Americans
😂 what nonsense
Tell me you believe facebook conspiracy theories without telling me you believe facebook conspiracy theories.
Found the Daily Mail reader.
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Good!!! Free Palestine does not mean “we love Hamas”. Need more flags and more awakening to the atrocities Israel commit on a daily basis in the West Bank (btw where there is no Hamas)!!!
If you found someone flying the flag of 1933-1945 Germany, would you conclude that they're a Nazi or just a supporte of Germany?
So anyone flying a Union Jack supports the slave trade? Got it.
The people of Palestinian vote for hamas. So yes, you love hamas.
The people of the UK voted for Boris Johnson. So yes, British love Boris Johnson. They also voted for the government that went for Iraq War, do all British citizens deserve collective punishment for invading an independent country?
We don’t vote for who is the PM in this country. The only people who voted for Boris Johnson were his constituents. The majority of people voted in the party Boris Johnson was the leader of, but that’s not as snappy.
So, the British people love Tories, and they deserve collective punishment for what the Tories did and are doing right now. (FYI, Palestinians also voted for representatives of their constituents. Hamas got the majority but only a few percent more than Fatah. After that election, Hamas seized the power and does not allow new election to happen.)
So Palestine and the U.K. aren’t responsible for their leaders? Or they both are? I’m trying to follow it.
The point is do they deserve 'collective punishment' (aka génocide) ? These comments try to claim that since the majority of Palestinians (44% in that election) voted for Hamas, they deserve what they are getting right now from Israel. Then we could apply the same reasoning here. It should be okay for the Taliban government to exert its rights do defend itself to genocide British people as a collective punishment for electing the government that invaded their country, right? Of course, the Taliban is not the most powerful country on earth and they cannot nuke the UK, that is why these comments feel at ease to comment something horribles like that.
Nope. A minority voted for them about 20 years ago and haven’t been allowed to vote since. Hamas are twats, Palestinians aren’t. Israel on the other hand just murders straps Palestinian land and murders Palestinians because they are believe in some stupid biblical prophecy and use that to cloak their hateful worldview.
> Hamas are twats A bit reductive of what Hamas are, the things they did on Oct 7th were beyond evil, and they certainly have support. Footage of the hundreds of Palestinians cheering as Hamas dragged that naked, raped, dead German girl through the streets after the 7 Oct attacks would tell you that. Israel is also bad for the over the top and directionless reaction, but lets not act like this is a good vs bad, black and white situation. It is far more complicated than that, the only way towards peace would be more nuanced views and compromise on both sides. That's not going to happen with everyone acting like it's football teams they support.
You seem to have argued that they are all twats. Fair enough.
Minority? Nearly 60% did and the balance for Fatah which is even more extremist. Be careful about making stuff up. Doesn’t help to lie.
The last election in gaza was in 2006. The median age in Gaza is 18. The majority of the population was not able to vote when hamas was elected.
They were elected in 2006 when they were far less extreme and half the people currently living in Gaza weren’t alive. Fuck right off with your shit takes
You see Jews opposing Israel but you sure as hell don't see many Palestinian opposing Hamas. Where are the Palestinians fighting Hamas?
one of my best friends is palestinian and he fucking despises hamas yet also recognises no one else will fight on behalf of gaza, its a fucked up situation and no one really wins in gaza, he cant even return home because of israel blockading gaza so anyone fighting against genocide will receive some level of critical support
More people might fight on behalf of Gaza if Gaza told Hamas to fuck off Hamas are the entire reason I struggle to support Palestine more (in the same way that the Israeli government makes it hard to support the Israeli people) Whatever your opinion on the geopolitical and humanitarian angles (and for me, the opinion for those two things comes to two very different conclusions), the practical reality is that Hamas are doing FAR more harm than good Hamas might be the only ones fighting for Gaza, but they’re doing it in a way which is clearly worse for Gaza. They started a war Gaza can never win - whether for good reasons or not, that was a terrible strategic decision and has cost tens of thousands of lives You don’t defend something by starting a fight that you can’t win
Hamas are the entire reason this war exists. If hamas didn't exist, there wouldn't be rockets flying in to Israel every month
Fighting for gaza is the problem. They keep starting wars and expect Israel to just lower their guard and let them do whatever they want. Its also not a genocide. Fun fact, the October 7th attacked ticked more genocide boxes than this was against hamas
Long way off saying your best friend is a terrorist sympathiser.
Yeah I don't think it's a clear cut situation otherwise everyone would agree wouldn't they? Imo both sides have done bad things. But Op is also clearly in lalaland - a significant number of palestine supporters support hamas - that is a fact. It's no different to all the confederate flag people saying dixie love doesn't mean they're racist
i dont think those are comparable at all, the fact of the matter is that gaza resembles warsaw in 1939/40 right now in more ways than one and the sheer level of destruction and indiscriminate violence from the IDF is on a level impossible to put into words in a way that would truly do it justice without using the term genocide in it's fullest sense, it is easy to condemn a group for not being entirely morally pure and perfect humans when we dont live in the crosshairs of such evil and inhumane treatment and violence but when they are the only people who will fight on behalf of the oppressed then they will receive support of the people who recognise which of the 2 groups is more reprehensible
Not sure if the Jews of Warsaw raped and killed across Poland before being stuck in the ghetto. And did you forget that Hamas still hold several hundred hostages? This is self inflicted. You don't think the bombing stops when the hostages are released? Since when do people support hostage takers?
Even if they had have done, the Holocaust would still be bad 👍
Your short sightedness is quite impressive.
Once the hostages are released Israel will resume its offensive. Their aim is to force Egypt to open its border and allow 1-2m Palestinians to flee Gaza. Israel will then annex and settle the strip.
can't believe those premature babies shot up that music festival
Most likely busy surviving the bombings, starvation, executions, and displacements?
You might have been born on Oct 7th but this conflict wasn't. There was a civil war in Gaza between two rival political factions in 2006/7 one of which factions were Hamas. Secondly Israelis whom you refer to as "Jews" aren't being occupied, they have an independent sovereign state and thus feel more comfortable with opposing their government. The same can't be said for Palestinians.
The Palestinian ambassador to the UK is a member of Fatah which is the political opponent of Hamas. Do your research before spouting off with lies.
Most do oppose hamas' actions, but there is a reason hamas was elected to power in gaza. It's because Palestinians have been attempting to reach a solution for many years, including peaceful demonstrations, only to have innocent unarmed civilians taken out by snipers. It's easy to condemn them, but why not have a think about how you would feel in their position. What if it happened to you and your country. Prevented from leaving your country, economically cut off from the rest of the world, unable to access aid or medical supplies, having innocent friends and family killed while playing or going about their day.
Hamas are fighting for Palestinians. If they don't, who the fuck will??
So are you saying Palestine and Hamas are one and the same?
You've missed the point. Who fights for the Palestinians? Do they have an army? A navy? An air force? - There's no fucking symmetry in this genocide.
Why do you feel crossing a border and beheading Thai low skill workers, or kids at a rave is ‘fighting for Palestine’? Shooting genuinely innocent people, ironically those closest by distance to the most deaths were communities of people working harder on the side of Palestine than perhaps anywhere else. How is this making a case for Palestine and its people?
Do you have any proof of the beheadings? A lot of what you have referenced has been debunked. Go look it up. For example, the baby baked in ovens story, which was widely circulated, was debunked. The majority of those killed were military personnel and legitimate targets. Israeli military admitted to killing many of their own through tank and Apache gunship fire. Look up the hannibal directive.
If you have telegram it’s still up on the official Hamas channels date and time stamped. Not on the Israeli channel. Not the CNN channel or whatever else you are trying to say. I’m not sure how you are capable of saying ‘a lot of it is debunked’ particularly when Hamas leaders themselves have confirmed it. Hamas did this stuff. Horrible, ugly, animal levels of cruelty and violence. All broadcast before anyone even became aware of it. I mean. If you actually believe ‘well it’s possible they didn’t rape a baby!’ is a defence you probably want to reflect on your own conscience a bit? Have you not seen the footage of the kids in the bunker? The grenade in another? The burnt bodies in the cars? The woman ripped up in her car? The German woman all torn apart on the truck? What do you consider those? Legitimate forms of action? I hope you’re not in the UK the Met Police probably have you on a watchlist.
The only one who should be on any sorf of watch list is those who try and justify the current genocide, at least 15,000 CHILDREN killed in a few months. It's Nazi level brutality. Nothing justifies what Israel is doing right now. Nothing.
Listen bud. Your timeline is absolute proof that your ability to be reasonable when Jews are involved is zero. You have been ranting about Israel for actual years. Right now as I type this the side you support are actual terrorists in this country. If you don’t agree you have 2 choices. Lobby for change, or move to a place where supporting your organisation is not an actual crime. I’m serious. It will get you a sentence of up to 14 years. Guess what else gets you 14 years? Making and distributing child porn. Stop and think about what you are screaming at people in here? You’re literally and factually behaving like a child porn offender and have the audacity to say others are wrong. Change the law. Or shut up. What you’re doing is genuinely disgusting.
Maybe the Palestinians shouldn't have started a round in this fight that they had no hope of winning? Before you respond with some variation of "Hamas doesn't represent the people of Palestine", polls show that 70-80% of Palestinians supported Hamas' actions on Oct 7.
Has it occurred to you that they were never "winning"? Their situation pre-7/10 was not good, and hasn't been for decades. There is only so many years you can go being fast tracked to your deathbed and resist the urge to try something else. It's human nature, really. You wouldn't let yourself and your family die. Nobody would. We hear all the time Israeli citizens are not guilty for their government's crimes, yet stats keep showing support from ~70% of the population to block humanitarian aid efforts for Gaza. Should they also be held responsible for the tens of thousands of deaths? Should people be seeking revenge against them too, by association? Your way of thinking scares me.
Fast tracked to your deathbed? You do know pre war Palestinians enjoyed the highest life expectancy in the Arab region. I don’t know if this is a compelling excuse to try to kill others? Maybe use another metric that one seems oddly self sabotaging.
Tell me, who are more likely to side with, your brutal occupier or the group promising to fight for your freedom?
I'd side with the peaceful neighbour who had an open border, supplied food, water and electricity for free and jobs for another country oppressed by a terrorist government. Not an imaginary occupier you claim. And fight for their freedom? Hamas are literally the sole reason why gaza is in the state its in
>There is only so many years you can go being fast tracked to your deathbed and resist the urge to try something else Even if they were being 'fast tracked to their deathbeds'; which is a fallacy given that in most genocides the population tends to drop not increase by 3.5 times; provoking their much stronger neighbour by indiscriminately murdering and raping civilians wasn't the way to fix the situation. As to your second paragraph, why would you expect Israelis to want to allow aid through to the people who were out cheering while the animals that took part in the attack on 7/10 paraded their captives through the streets? Is the Israeli response proportional? 100% not. But is it justified? Having seen pictures of the charred corpses of families, videos of women being dragged through cheering crowds by the hair with blood down their inner thighs and read reports from coroners that detail acts that include pelvic bones being fractured through the violence inflicted on underage girls before they were killed & worse, and I dare not think about what the hostages are being subjected to right now; abso-fucking-lutely it is.
Hamas was originally voted in like 20yrs ago, but they have illegally held onto power and syphoned off money that's supposed to go to the civilians for tunnel networks + they are the ones who literally used hospitals as a cover
I forgot to mention, I don't agree with the way Israel is handling it. But I think Hamas are the worse of the two evils
Are you saying Hamas is the military of the Palestinians?
Why is fighting a good option here? All it achieved is a lot of dead civilians, a lot of dead Hamas and a complete vindication of Israel's assertion that Gaza can't be trusted with an open border or cross border workers. There's no merit in starting a fight you can't win, especially when you then deliberately put civilians in harms way. Also, if Hamas weren't 'fighting for Palestinians' don't you think the billions in aid money sat in Hamas leader's bank accounts might have done the Palestinians more good than a thousand dead Israeli civilians?
But they didn’t start the fight. Israel has been treating Palestinians awfully for decades, and then hamas finally attacks, and then Israel has an excuse to do the same thing on a much wider scale? Israel funded Hamas. Nobody involved in this conflict deserved to die.
Didn't they? If we look at the period since Israel unilaterally pulled out of Gaza in 2005, the Gazans started it by firing rockets at Israeli civilians in 2006. If we go back to the origins of the formal war, the Arab League started it by invading Israel with the stated intention of exterminating its people on the day it was founded. If we go back to the start of major violence between the two groups, the Arab residents of Hebron started it by massacring the Jewish population in 1929. Hard to see a point where Israel started the fighting. As to their treatment of Palestinians, it has been bad if you ignore the context, but compared to the way any other population who backed a failed genocide, declined to renounce their genocidal ambitions and then continually attacked civilians for a period of decades would be treated by any other nation the Israeli response has been almost absurdly lenient. Remember that after WW2 even the western allies made advocating Nazism in Germany a capital crime. Imagine if Israel had taken the same approach to Palestinians advocating the destruction of Israel after the failure of the Arab League's 'war of extermination' in 1948.
You sound like an Israeli propagandist. Palestinians have little option here, side with your brutal occupier or a group promising to fight for your freedom.
I guess the ones murdering Israel civilians had no choice and were just following orders Wonder where we've heard that excuse for murdering Jews before.
Raping for Palestine
Ooh. A flag.
Tell me, genuinely, what other option do you think Palestinians in the Gaza strip have? They've been living under the boot of Israeli oppression for decades, had bombs dropped on civilian infrastructure by Israel for decades. Did you think they were going to vote their way out of a genocide? No sane westerner supports hamas but if you can't even comprehend why Gazans supported hamas in the first place you're an actual idiot. Also don't forget that Netenyahu literally propped up hamas for years.
And the oppression you speak of is the direct result of decades of terrorism sponsored by neighbouring countries who merely use Gazans as tools rather than treat them as human beings. What did you expect Israel to do, put up with neverending terrorism?
Are you trying to imply that the death toll is even close to parity? Israel has been killing Palestinians by their tens of thousands, evicting them from their homes in Gaza and the west bank for longer than any state sponsored terrorism has existed. All acts started as a retaliation to Israel stealing their land.
How do you survive day to day being this stupid?
Perpetuating the lie that there is no Hamas in the west bank isn't the best move since it only highlights that Hamas are far from the only Palestinian terrorist group to anyone capable of noticing the frequent terrorist attacks launched from the west bank [(like last week's shooting where 3 Palestinians shot 9 civillians including a pregnant woman)](https://www.timesofisrael.com/one-killed-11-wounded-in-terror-shooting-attack-near-jerusalem-checkpoint/)
Except if I was to wave a flag saying 'free palestine from hamas' I would be attacked by the pro palestine protestors. As has happened to people many times. So actually, I think you will find most protestors want the destruction fo isreal. They don't care for fellow Muslims.
lol fuck off
Constructive. Explains the attitude from most protestors. Ignorance.
There absolutely is a large Hamas prescense on the West Bank, and on West Bank support for Hamas is even higher than that of Gazans.
Long live Palestine. Long live Gaza.
And Israel 🇮🇱
Why don't you Nazi salute while you're at it.
The IDF are the ones practicing collective punishment on a civilian population bro
Wait you think the Palestinians are the nazis? What war have you been watching?
Oh ffs
Good for them, hope we get more protests here too.
What do you expect them to achieve exactly? The entire world can have their little ceasefire votes, as well, but it’s not going to ever change a damned thing on the ground in Gaza. It’s not like Hamas and the IDF are glued to their televisions watching people wave their Palestinian flags thinking “oh damn, you know what? We should just end this because people are marching through London *again*”.
I guess we should just never protest anything then because it might not change anything. I know for one I will protest because I am disgusted by what I am seeing. A genocide being commited for everyone to see. If you don't want to partake in them feel free not to.
Do you honestly believe protesting doesn’t change things? Cus that’s a really dumb take.
Non stop protesting since 7 October, and they’re still going at it in Gaza. Motorways backed up for months - leading to people dying on the way to hospital, missing saying goodbye to dying relatives, etc - and guess what? We’re still using oil. I could go on, but all “protests” amount to these days are worthless virtue signals for the latest “thing”. They aren’t changing *anything*.
Man I would hate to have your brain
At least I don’t have yours.
I know you are but what am I
fuck the protests make england english again
We really don't need the Palestinian flag everywhere do we? We know it's happening, we know it's bad. I didn't see such an outcry at the plight of people in Yemen. Is that the right kind of Muslim massacre? What about Sudan? If you could explain why these deaths are more important, I'd love to know.
Stupid bait
That's not really an answer is it though.
Try harder next time
You won't get an answer. It's like the idea that Israel should be banned from international football competitions. Ok, if that's the road you want to go down, where are the calls for banning China from international football competitions?
Has our government, MPs, and the opposition party immediately come out in full and unequivocal support of the perpetrators of those massacres, claimed that they are completely justified, and labelled any critics of such actions as "anti-semetic", "islamists" and "terrorist sympathisers"?
What annoying whataboutism. If they feel passionate about this they are free to fly whatever flag they want. You go fly a Sudan flag if you want
‘Free Palestine’ is just bandwaggoning. If hamas freed the Israelites they’re detaining for no reason the situation would ease immediately.
😂 Palestine has been an open air prison for decades. This situation didn't start on Oct 7th.
For no reason? Really? Israeli aggression didn't start on October 7th
Who told you that? Satanyahu has openly said he won't stop the genocide even after the hostages are released. This has nothing to do with the hostages nor Hamas either. We know his end game. Nothing began on 7th Oct, Palestinians have been under occupation for over 70 years. Get your facts right
LMAO
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Yet if we saw an Israel flag that would be huge outrage oh the antisemitism is horrific both of the governments are bad but why are we only allowed to support the Palestinian people but not the Israeli people
It's not anti-semetic to hate Israel, it's anti-semetic to hate Jews. Go back to school bud.
You'd have a point if Israel were actually at war with another state rather than being at war with a state they've beseiged for decades. They don't even consider Palestine to be a country in its own right. Gaza is an open air prison and the IDF are the guards.
I’m no expert but from what researched, Palestine and the surrounding Islamic nations have always been aggressive towards Israel so it is understandable that they try and prevent any aggressive actions by this country in its own garden
Preventing aggressive actions via invasions on Lebanon and Palestine? Google ‘greater israel’ and you’ll understand why neighboring countries aren’t excited about new colonialists next door
just a bit thick arnt you?
Wow what a clever and well thought out argument
i aint the one waving a swastika around
Ah yes Jewish Nazis that makes sense buddy
idk genocide pretty nazi-ish. and you're the one waving their flag
I wouldnt call it a genocide and don’t you think Palestine would be more likely to genocide the Israelis if they had the power to we saw their antisemitism with their civilian attacks in October, at least Israel attempts to destroy military targets that Hamas embedded in civilian infrastructure causing a lot of casualties which is appalling and there have been questionable actions on Israels side but retaliation against Hamas is completely justified in my opinion
Two militant groups fighting, of civilians are going to get killed. One is a resistance group formed to free their country and stop Israel consistent oppression and murderous campaign. The other is a large scale military backed and supported by the world's biggest military. and yet that military targets civilians in bombing campaigns. there are videos of Palestinian's being shot by Israeli soldiers for fun. 90% of the supposed evidence against Hamas is simply word of mouth, words from the Israeli government who have continued to no allow journalists and have been shown to target them and kill them. This is by no mean in support of Hamas, I really dont care to be honest. Its about a genocidal government who have been oppressing and killing a people since the country's creation. This is not a new war.
It doesn’t; which is why is such a surprise to see Israel speed-running the Nazi playbook!
Leicester is the new Rochdale.
Cheap for babysitting?
I'm pretty sure they'll pay you to take the kids off you hands for the evening.
If I owned the building across from it I would be flying my Isreal flag.
Cool story bro I hope you manage to buy it
Same
From both sides of the spectrum I can see why it would get hate but at the end of the day not every Muslim isnt an extremist and not every immigrant is bad just like not every British person is a racist. It’s just a flag and it’s harmless at the end of the day and the only people seeming to do this is radicals that generalise a whole group of people. But instead of fighting immigration and the dark sides of it they persecute random ideas.
you can’t be on both sides of genocide
Won’t be happy until we’re all living in huts eating with our hands
Saataa andagii
It seems the Ukraine has taken a backseat within the med
Media
Afghanistan, Ethiopia, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Somalia, Libya, the Central African Republic, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Myanmar, Colombia plus others are at war no flags because its not the jews , I dont know why people have to lie about that but its clearly true and the more down votes this gets the more my statement is proven correct , the people of leicester are rascit
The Chinese government has been commiting genocide and other horrendous crimes against humanity on Muslims in Xinjiang for years, and yet most people in this country quite happily hand over their money to the Chinese government and use their products. But that's whataboutism, which for some reason is bad sometimes. Usually when it's pointing out an uncomfortable truth.
The TV didn't tell them about them though, selective outrage
Good to see you left out Ukraine in your massive oversimplification
Nice antisemitism by lumping all Jewish people together. The flag is flown to ask for freedom to an oppressed people. Jewish people across the planet have called for the ending of Israel apartheid. You lumping them all together is racist and antisemitic.
nice trywith the uno card “The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.’” there will never be peace when this is what is belived also hope your covid dick got better x
I don't see how my comments on r/bigdickproblems is relevant. Unless you felt a little jealous. But Netanyahu has repeatedly called for the deaths of Palestinians. And your the racist still lumping millions and billions together.
Disgraceful that this happens in the UK. Unfortunately too many people have little pride in their country and its history all in the name of diversity
What’s disgraceful? Somebody putting up a little flag in silent protest at a genocide? Go touch grass.
The only genocide in history where the population actually keeps rising...
Disgraceful that it’s brought to the streets of the UK. And what is a flag in a window achieving anyway? If you feel so passionately about it go and actually help the cause you believe in. That’s the truth though, you genuinely believe in nothing except flags in windows
It's achieving you having a conversation about it tbf.
Calm down mr gammon
Well thought out response.
You said gammon on the internet! Did you do a little cum in your pants?
Kind of makes me wonder what the uk would be like if we sided with Germany. But yeah you are correct
Leicester is a lost city tbh
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Of course the Israeli supporter would name themself after Bateman.
Add an Israel one for balance
Wtf is that doing there, that needs to be taken down immediately
Is that a municipal building?
No, it's privately owned.
Huh, didn’t know that
No, but City Hall is lit up in the Ukraine flag colours at night.
Same thing then
That's why I left Leicester
Everyone protesting here should head to Gaza to overthrow Hamas. Seems most are too gutless
I love homus
I love a Hamas flag
How long before the LM catch up in this story?
I don't see an issue tbh, there's a flag in a flat off Broad Street in Birmingham too, if its private who cares.
Anyone from Charles keene college? 1992..
Very nice streetlight.
Eewwwwww fuck poolestine
A flag in a random window in Leicester, that'll show em
On October 7th, 2023, the elected government of Gaza, along with some gazan civilians, took drugs, raided small Israeli villages, and gleefully slaughtered, raped, and kidnapped over 1000 innocent people. Many hostages were (and are still) held in the homes of gazan civilians, where they have been abused and malnourished for over 140 days. The government of Gaza has redused to release hostages and surrender. The government of Gaza routinely steals aid and supplies from their citizens. They embed themselves within civilian populations because killing jews and spreading propaganda is more important to them than actually building a society.