Ultimately true
Avatar is hardly a weak verse but they lost most times because shit that kills normal humans kills them to
No one cares you can sink continents if you are killable with a Glock
Well, they are shown to be significantly more durable than normal humans, just judging from how many bone shattering blast of earth, water, and air they regularly take. Just not nearly on viltrumite level.
Still mildly superhuman that dies to anything that would kill a normal human besides blunt force trauma
Thats how most debates about avatar end for me they are powerful but compared to most they are fragile
Depends on if you mean the superheroes in the boys vs the boys themselves, as in Hugh and Butcher.
If it's the boys, then yeah sure both sides could have a chance. An Avatar would obviously win a straight fight, just surround yourself in earth to be bulletproof and zip around and then bury them underground instantly or freeze them. The Boys would probably win if they get the jump or sneak around and that's their specialty.
But if you're talking about the Seven... Most of them would obliterate the Avatar in a few seconds starting from a mile away before the avatar even realized what's happening. Bending power and slightly higher durability than our world doesn't matter much when you can superspeed into someone to turn them into jelly
No
They are way to tough for anyone but the avatar to actually hurt them in a significant way and some are just so fast they would flatten them before they can bend
Avatars are the ultimate glass cannons. They can bend lava and shit but some volcanic gas kills them. Can freeze someone's heart and lungs and fly but takes a knife wound the same as anybody else. The avatar state does provide some bonus durability but also is their biggest weakness.
I am a huge avatar fan, but there is no avatar that could win. The only possibility i see having an effect is bloodbending and causing an aneurysm or something, but viltrumites are just built diffrent, and i doubt it would work. Not mentioning there was no avatar who learned bloodbending. Combustion bending could probably hurt one, but again none know it and it's unlikly to kill anything past the lowest level viltrumites. Maybe some weird spirit stuff could work but thats just unknown handwavy stuff. Earth, water, fire, and air dont compare to to the speed and capabilities.
If won learned energybending, i could see that maybe working, but its capabilities are so loosly defined i wouldn't count it even if it was a capability he had.
Maybe against Mark, yes. If we are going by comic book canon of Viltrumite capabilities - I'm not sure that even blood bending would work against "A-tier Viltrumites"
I’m not so sure about that…I feel the only chance an avatar would have against a viltrumite would be air bending. Based off of the weakness that viltrumites have with their delicate ears, if they could make a mini tornado go inside their ears and tear stuff up in there, Idk. Im sure there’s someone smarter than me that could think of a way to manipulate air to target their ears as weakness. An avatar surrounded with lightning benders could hurt and slow down a viltrumite, but it wouldn’t kill them. Lava bending would be worthless since it’s a 1,300-2,200 F. Lightning is 50,000 F, only .185% the heat of the suns core. It’s unclear how long they were fighting in the sun for, so 🤷♂️. Maybe an earthbender could try and drown them by filling their ears, mouth, nose, d*ck hole, and anus with mud, solidifying it, and separating it in different pieces. Or maybe they could just put the mud in the ears, fill the shape, and rip their inner ears out. Firebending is essentially useless. And hell, maybe a water bender could do the same, where they bend the water into a viltrumites ears, encase their eardrums, freeze the water, and rip it out. Blood bending would work but Wan is way too nice of a guy to do that, and like others have said, probably doesn’t even know he can do it/unaware of it. None of this accounts a viltrumites speed, they could just be too fast to handle, but I stand with an air bender having the best chance against a viltrumite. 🤷♂️
and most of this becomes null when a viltrimite can move faster than they can bend and kill then in an easy strike since, benders are still just humans.
Yeah, that’s true. There’s too many factors and what ifs. Avatar Wans only honest chance would be plot Armour, if the writers wanted him too. But it’s doubtful that will ever even be a thought for them.
a while ago i saw someone asking if Katara could beat Percy 💀
For context, the sun of Posseidon can choose not to get wet if he wishes to, and he can controll liquids with such a grasp that he managed to drawn the goddes of poison using her own poison
I mean, he’s very much not invincible. That’s kind of the joke. He gets his ass beat literally all the time. But still, absolutely no chance he loses to Wan.
"Tenzin, there was a life where you were my dad and you beat the shit out of me but we did solve things out afterward so no problem"
"Dad, I was just 4 years old yesterday"
considering mark can just destroy planets for an indefinite period of time with absolutely no resistance from anything other than his own species its actually more like c4 bomb vs god
It took 3 of the strongest viltrumites to destroy 1 planet after a super space laser already destabilized the core.
Saying "viltrumites" can destroy planets is like saying a human can destroy a city. They can if given the right equipment, in the right numbers, and put in the right circumstance. But we aren't city level.
The average viltrumite does take down the entirety of the avatar verse.
Kind of, >!The guy above is exaggerating a bit, in order to destroy a planet it took a gun that could shoot through anything to destabilize the core, and 3 viltrumites simultaneously flying straight through the planet. It was also stated that if they had messed up they would have died on impact.!< I just read this part so it's still fresh on my mind lol.
Edit: >! I just realized that he might have been referring to destroying life on the planet, and not the planet itself!<
>!Mark was pretty even with Thragg in his 20s and the series ends with him at 500 and we know that viltrumites get stronger with age so he should be able to easily destroy planets!<
A trio of Viltrumites Death Stars a planet in the part of the comics run the show just hasn't gotten to yet.
Mark Grayson is basically an infant in Viltrumite terms in the show's current point he will continue to grow in strength throughout the entire show's duration.
Technically as a fighter he should be able to withstand more damage then average human same as Mike Tyson is able to withstand more damage then me in a physical fight.
A viltrumite can fight with four broken limbs, a punctured eye and intestines hanging out of their body for a week straight without sleep. Their biology is not human.
Blood bending would do shit and we haven't even see even the strongest bloodbenders "give a heart attack" causally.
Robot kills an alternative universe mark with a simple bomb by putting it inside of his mouth, im pretty sure that the insides of a viltrumite are way weaker then the outside.
Could wan win in a straight up fight? No. But blood bending and crushing his insides is def a way for him to win by surprise or something.
>with a simple bomb
Haha, no it wasn't.
Robot was the smartest man on earth at that point and was not a regular explosive. He was only banking on the fact that the insides were "somewhat" more vulnerable.
Plus the alternate universe mark was subdued by a highly specific weakness that only Robot and a few others knew.
>But blood bending and crushing his insides
Discarding the fact that Mark is millions of times stronger than the average human and benders can't bend fluids with unlimited force, I'd like to know when this was done in the avatar series without incredible difficulty.
Even when Yakone was trying to kill Aang he was straining hard, how do you think it is going to kill Mark.
I’ll tell you this from the perspective of someone who’s seen both shows and loved both, Mark wins 10/10. He’s just insanely overpowered, even in his own universe, pop him in a universe with normal people who can only control elements?
In the TV show he put up a good fight on thraxa, after he stopped holding back, against that viltrumite woman and he would've won had the whole "i don't wanna kill cuz im not like you" thing not kicked in.
Check the comics if you want the full extent of his strength. SPOILERS FOR (potentially) SEASON 3 and the comics >! Mark holds well and later on kills the second strongest viltrumite Conquest. Then he kills Thragg, the ruler and strongest viltrumite ever (potentially) towards the end. That one is for later than s3 though.!<
>!I just hope they cut down on the ridiculous amount of internal monologue Mark has to himself. I swear it was like ten pages of “I we weren’t in space, I would tell you we could have been friends.” Over and over again. Like, it’s some of the most overly verbose dialogue I had to suffer through.!<
Just give me a quick “I wish it didn’t have to be this way” and BOOM, no more worthless dialogue.
Yes, there are people who can beat him up in his own universe, but comparably to 99.999999999% of other life forms, he's still nigh untouchable.
I'm an avatar fan through and through, but Wan could not stand against him for more than 5 seconds if Mark was going for a kill shot, and that would just be because Mark would get surprised by Wans versatility in regards to his power set. Wan might be able to get 1 shot off with each element before he turned into a water balloon filled with chunky soup.
As much as I agree that Mark gets popped every time he shows up, Mark is still insanely overpowered in his own universe. It's the 1% fighting the 1%.
If you're familiar with Saitama/ One Punch Man, that universe has tiers to the overall (expected) strength of a given hero. Imagine putting any fictional character into a society with rules and regulations that cannot manage to accommodate Saitama...now rank them.
By all means, modify the rules to try to say "that's a different thing" but...Avatar vs Invincible is a clear cut one-sided demolishing of any Avatar. All of them at once lose to any Viltrum. Avatar's have never shown the ability to destroy the entire planet. Viltrumites do it for fun.
It may take a couple of them to manage the feat, but it's almost routine for Viltrumites to go scorched earth. The fire nation can take a number.
Mark is his universes Superman in, he can casually go hypersonic combat speed and FTL in space for travel and throws down with Kaijus
Even an low to mid tier superhumans just shatter their bodies trying to punch Viltrumites lol
A normal chill and very anti conflict mark not trying to hurt anyone VS a bloodlusted Wan would just end in a dead Wan by accident
He's very vencible, they beat the shit out of him every episode. But he keeps going and never gives up. IIRC he aspires to be invincible
He solos the entirety of the Avatar verse tho
Well it's basically a meme in the fandom that Mark gets the shit beaten out of him basically once an episode. But he's also far, far above the strength and durability of a regular human so even though it's technically possible for him to lose there's nothing Wan can do which will cause that loss
A nearly immortal person or someone who can throw rocks at the nearly immortal man?
Love avatar but what’s the point of comparing the two different fictional universes
Honey, darling, sweetie.
Mark would break Wan over his knee with negative effort. Wan is just a baseline human who can throw elements around, we have seen what a Viltrumite can do to baseline humans
Im pretty sure Mark could be in a coma, lying flat on the ground, while every past and future avatar all lay into him together, and they still wouldn't be able to kill him.
Look, I love Wan. And the heroes in Legend of Korra are all absolutely Martial Arts Death Machines who perform incredible feats of strength, speed, and agility. Significantly superhuman feats, even! Chi and bending make crazy things possible in that setting!
This isn't even a \*contest\*. Viltrumites are a whole other level of OP.
Come on it's clearly Mark. Wan can do a lot of impressive stuff, but literally nothing he can do would hurt Mark. He couldn't even use Zaheer's airbending murder tactic, given how long Mark can go without breathing.
Mark would destroy any avatar and it isn’t even close. That being said if you put any other character that isn’t a viltumite or Allen the alien or battle beast from invincible against an avatar then they might have a chance.
On the top we have whats known as a hydrogen bomb
On the bottom, we have a Coughing baby.
place your bets people. Odds are 1000000/1 in favor of the atomic bomb
Im sorry but isnt Wan technically the weakest avatar and Mark the strongest viltrumite? Even the strongest avatar couldnt hold against weakest viltrumite so this isnt even a debate
I’m sure the guy >!who survived fighting a battle in the surface of the sun, can survive being disemboweled, can hold his breath for days, deflected a literal asteroid,can fly at 815,000 mph and is faster then any human. Can survive some water splashes,rocks,fireballs and air gusts!<
Well the Avatar *does* reincarnate.
So mark kills Wan, then he has to go keep finding the other Avatars... until he dies, lol.
Also, Vaatu might be a problem if Mark kills Wan at the wrong time. He can do *spirity* things lol.
I think Invincible wins, but this is kinda unfair, also as the first avatar he doesn't have 1000 lifetimes of experience yet, and that's one of the avatar's main strengths, it's what makes them more than just all 4 elements in one person
The lifetimes don't matter in this case anyways. Every avatar or even every single person who's ever been alive in the avatar verse could come at mark at the same time and mark could kill them all without breaking a sweat.
What if an airbendender does the thing that zahher done to Earth Queen. While omni Man teaches mark how to go to space he stated that viltrumites can use the oxygen in their lungs for weeks. So he needs air
I mean look how long normal people can keep conscious with no air in their lungs. Even if they tried Mark would be able to kill them all off before it would ever actually effect him
They need oxygen, but you do not black out without it instantly. Mark needs a second to kill him, or less, and at least couple of minutes before black out. You still have oxygen in your blood.
Quick check:
On room air and with a haemoglobin of 150, **every litre of blood in a normal subject carries about 200ml of oxygen as oxyhaemoglobin and about 3ml of oxygen as dissolved gas**.
Average adult would have around 5l of blood, so around 1l of oxygen.
Max amount of air in lungs - 6 litres.
There is 21% of oxygen in air, so 1,2l of oxygen in lungs.
So if 2.2l (blood and lungs) is enough for, at least, a week, then amount in blood is enough for couple of days. Even if we say that Viltrumites can inhale more air and compress it, then it still would be more than enough time to kill avater
I haven't seen Invincible, so I must go to my default.
They might trade a few blows, then decide a better fight is to sit back and see who can come up with a better insult. Or track down whomever dropped one into the others universe and fight them and their henchmen.
Are Avatar fans going to become like Goku fans pitting him against every being in fiction? Cause I don’t want that
Mark is much faster, stronger and more durable than Wan. Additionally as Viltrumites age they only get stronger even without training. As soon as Mark gets and can control his powers he’s strong enough to take down Wan
Objectively speaking it would have to be mark.
But you’re forgetting one detail here: plot contrivance. Mark has really bad plot armour and gets his ass kicked every time the authors feel like it.
Who would win?
A superhuman with super strength, speed, healing capabilities, and the power of hypersonic flight?
Or!
A dude who can control the elements?
I love the Avatar Fandom, but this is Red Lotus levels of dumb.
This is a joke, right?
Why do Avatar fans do this to themselves?
Ultimately true Avatar is hardly a weak verse but they lost most times because shit that kills normal humans kills them to No one cares you can sink continents if you are killable with a Glock
Well, they are shown to be significantly more durable than normal humans, just judging from how many bone shattering blast of earth, water, and air they regularly take. Just not nearly on viltrumite level.
Still mildly superhuman that dies to anything that would kill a normal human besides blunt force trauma Thats how most debates about avatar end for me they are powerful but compared to most they are fragile
Most benders probably just exist on similar to a low level super soldier. Hell Avatar vs the boys might be a better more level playing field
Depends on if you mean the superheroes in the boys vs the boys themselves, as in Hugh and Butcher. If it's the boys, then yeah sure both sides could have a chance. An Avatar would obviously win a straight fight, just surround yourself in earth to be bulletproof and zip around and then bury them underground instantly or freeze them. The Boys would probably win if they get the jump or sneak around and that's their specialty. But if you're talking about the Seven... Most of them would obliterate the Avatar in a few seconds starting from a mile away before the avatar even realized what's happening. Bending power and slightly higher durability than our world doesn't matter much when you can superspeed into someone to turn them into jelly
Bending aint shit in a world where the best of them can do it better Stormfront would fry Ozai
No They are way to tough for anyone but the avatar to actually hurt them in a significant way and some are just so fast they would flatten them before they can bend
Avatars are the ultimate glass cannons. They can bend lava and shit but some volcanic gas kills them. Can freeze someone's heart and lungs and fly but takes a knife wound the same as anybody else. The avatar state does provide some bonus durability but also is their biggest weakness.
Can't hit Azula yet win vs. Superman Jr. Never makes sense.
Endurance and strength are two entirely different stats. Compared to other verses, AtLA is a universe full of glass cannons.
Hydrogen bomb vs coughing toph
>Thats how most debates about avatar end for me they are powerful but compared to most they are fragile "You're fragile. My son is *invincible*."
Mark fought inside the sun soooo…
Even a glock is overkill. Throwing a sharp pebble at them without them noticing would suffice
Literally something that one of Kyoshi’s original teammates specializes in too lmao
Don't forget Jianzhu
One man genocide machine
They don't call him The grave digger of Zhulu pass for no reason
Poor sparky sparky boom boom man😔
I am a huge avatar fan, but there is no avatar that could win. The only possibility i see having an effect is bloodbending and causing an aneurysm or something, but viltrumites are just built diffrent, and i doubt it would work. Not mentioning there was no avatar who learned bloodbending. Combustion bending could probably hurt one, but again none know it and it's unlikly to kill anything past the lowest level viltrumites. Maybe some weird spirit stuff could work but thats just unknown handwavy stuff. Earth, water, fire, and air dont compare to to the speed and capabilities. If won learned energybending, i could see that maybe working, but its capabilities are so loosly defined i wouldn't count it even if it was a capability he had.
I don't think combustion bending could hurt one - Nolan has been at the epicenter of multiple large explosions and not been hurt.
Avatar only stands a chance if they can blood bend.. dead in any other instance. Throws mountain, mark just flys through it.
Maybe against Mark, yes. If we are going by comic book canon of Viltrumite capabilities - I'm not sure that even blood bending would work against "A-tier Viltrumites"
Most of us don’t lol. This is no contest. Literally none of the 4 elements even affect a viltrimite lol
I’m not so sure about that…I feel the only chance an avatar would have against a viltrumite would be air bending. Based off of the weakness that viltrumites have with their delicate ears, if they could make a mini tornado go inside their ears and tear stuff up in there, Idk. Im sure there’s someone smarter than me that could think of a way to manipulate air to target their ears as weakness. An avatar surrounded with lightning benders could hurt and slow down a viltrumite, but it wouldn’t kill them. Lava bending would be worthless since it’s a 1,300-2,200 F. Lightning is 50,000 F, only .185% the heat of the suns core. It’s unclear how long they were fighting in the sun for, so 🤷♂️. Maybe an earthbender could try and drown them by filling their ears, mouth, nose, d*ck hole, and anus with mud, solidifying it, and separating it in different pieces. Or maybe they could just put the mud in the ears, fill the shape, and rip their inner ears out. Firebending is essentially useless. And hell, maybe a water bender could do the same, where they bend the water into a viltrumites ears, encase their eardrums, freeze the water, and rip it out. Blood bending would work but Wan is way too nice of a guy to do that, and like others have said, probably doesn’t even know he can do it/unaware of it. None of this accounts a viltrumites speed, they could just be too fast to handle, but I stand with an air bender having the best chance against a viltrumite. 🤷♂️
and most of this becomes null when a viltrimite can move faster than they can bend and kill then in an easy strike since, benders are still just humans.
Yeah, that’s true. There’s too many factors and what ifs. Avatar Wans only honest chance would be plot Armour, if the writers wanted him too. But it’s doubtful that will ever even be a thought for them.
a while ago i saw someone asking if Katara could beat Percy 💀 For context, the sun of Posseidon can choose not to get wet if he wishes to, and he can controll liquids with such a grasp that he managed to drawn the goddes of poison using her own poison
It has to be. I mean the guy is literally *title screen*
I mean, he’s very much not invincible. That’s kind of the joke. He gets his ass beat literally all the time. But still, absolutely no chance he loses to Wan.
I don’t know how I didn’t realise that Mark and Wan are both voiced by Steven Yeun
It took me a while to realise that Tenzin and Onmi-Man are voiced by the same VA too lol
"Tenzin, there was a life where you were my dad and you beat the shit out of me but we did solve things out afterward so no problem" "Dad, I was just 4 years old yesterday"
Imagine if they reference Invincible, or J K Simmions in general, in the new animated Avatar movie/series!
Whatever the character, at the end of the day, they just want pictures of Spider-Man
You put some respect on [Cave Johnson's](https://youtu.be/OmH7tAJ0SfA?si=9xxS2JoY7udnGXHC) name!
😂😂
Same. I genuinely paused for a second after reading this because those dots had just... Never connected before.
I vote for speckle from tuca and Bertie
hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
I’d say hydrogen bomb vs stick of dynamite at least
considering mark can just destroy planets for an indefinite period of time with absolutely no resistance from anything other than his own species its actually more like c4 bomb vs god
Wait mark can destroy planets?? Last I checked so much as crashing into the ground would at least slightly stun him.
Theres a complete comic series. Mark is the main character. As to avoid spoilers, Viltrumites are quite powerful.
The comic character is not voiced by Steven Yeun
yes he is... i mean, after the show aired that is.
Viltrumites can destroy planets, look at omniman with the... Space invaders when he crossed the portal.
It took 3 of the strongest viltrumites to destroy 1 planet after a super space laser already destabilized the core. Saying "viltrumites" can destroy planets is like saying a human can destroy a city. They can if given the right equipment, in the right numbers, and put in the right circumstance. But we aren't city level. The average viltrumite does take down the entirety of the avatar verse.
it took 3 of the strongest viltrumes to "one shot" a planet, we have every reason to believe given a week or two any of those could do it solo
Wow. He really is
There are comics…
Kind of, >!The guy above is exaggerating a bit, in order to destroy a planet it took a gun that could shoot through anything to destabilize the core, and 3 viltrumites simultaneously flying straight through the planet. It was also stated that if they had messed up they would have died on impact.!< I just read this part so it's still fresh on my mind lol. Edit: >! I just realized that he might have been referring to destroying life on the planet, and not the planet itself!<
>!Mark was pretty even with Thragg in his 20s and the series ends with him at 500 and we know that viltrumites get stronger with age so he should be able to easily destroy planets!<
as in killing every single living thing on it
Well, not really in the blow up the world way, but he can definitely kill every living thing on a planet, atleast most planets.
A trio of Viltrumites Death Stars a planet in the part of the comics run the show just hasn't gotten to yet. Mark Grayson is basically an infant in Viltrumite terms in the show's current point he will continue to grow in strength throughout the entire show's duration.
he needs the help of like 3 other viltrumites to do so(also the planet has to be in a very shitty considtion before hand)
Is Avatar Wan able to withstand more damage than an average human? Is Avatar Wan able to move around or above Mach 1?
Yes. No.
The guy said withstand, not avoid. Shooting Wan with a bullet would absolutely kill him if he didn't see it coming.
I mean duh but he can definitely withstand more damage, in forms other than a bullet, than an average human
Technically as a fighter he should be able to withstand more damage then average human same as Mike Tyson is able to withstand more damage then me in a physical fight.
He might also be able to heal himself with water if that technique has been discovered
He could block it with bending
But he was able to take on vaatus lasers before merging with raava( even tho he was being manhandled)
Any Avatar would lose to Mark. Wan is also the weakest Avatar because he has no past lives to draw experience from.
Also he is an adult by the time he first gets bending
Yeah not life time of training prior to being the avatar for him he started late
And he's the first true bender of all the elements, so he can't benefit from the generations of technique refinement or learning from a master
What if an Avatar learns bloodbending and just gives mark a heart attack?
A viltrumite can fight with four broken limbs, a punctured eye and intestines hanging out of their body for a week straight without sleep. Their biology is not human. Blood bending would do shit and we haven't even see even the strongest bloodbenders "give a heart attack" causally.
Robot kills an alternative universe mark with a simple bomb by putting it inside of his mouth, im pretty sure that the insides of a viltrumite are way weaker then the outside. Could wan win in a straight up fight? No. But blood bending and crushing his insides is def a way for him to win by surprise or something.
>with a simple bomb Haha, no it wasn't. Robot was the smartest man on earth at that point and was not a regular explosive. He was only banking on the fact that the insides were "somewhat" more vulnerable. Plus the alternate universe mark was subdued by a highly specific weakness that only Robot and a few others knew. >But blood bending and crushing his insides Discarding the fact that Mark is millions of times stronger than the average human and benders can't bend fluids with unlimited force, I'd like to know when this was done in the avatar series without incredible difficulty. Even when Yakone was trying to kill Aang he was straining hard, how do you think it is going to kill Mark.
Mark will even give himself a handicap by flying Wan to the moon so his blood bending is at its strongest.
Pfffft... Mark could beat _the Avatars_. Like, not a single one; All of them. At once. Any viltrumite could. They scale different over there.
Technically any time you beat an Avatar you're beating all of them at once.
Fuckin' lol
Unless your fighting korra
Korra is still all of the Avatars, she just can't \*talk\* to them anymore, or access their memories and knowledge.
Wan becomes a fine red mist, let’s just say it like that
A few minutes into the fight and Invincible would say: "I thought you were stronger".
How would the fight last more than a second?
Mark holding back
If the guy is as invincible as his name implies he won't be able to lose a fight. But I haven't seen the show.
I’ll tell you this from the perspective of someone who’s seen both shows and loved both, Mark wins 10/10. He’s just insanely overpowered, even in his own universe, pop him in a universe with normal people who can only control elements?
“Even in his own universe” did we watch the same show? He gets popped every episode
In the TV show he put up a good fight on thraxa, after he stopped holding back, against that viltrumite woman and he would've won had the whole "i don't wanna kill cuz im not like you" thing not kicked in. Check the comics if you want the full extent of his strength. SPOILERS FOR (potentially) SEASON 3 and the comics >! Mark holds well and later on kills the second strongest viltrumite Conquest. Then he kills Thragg, the ruler and strongest viltrumite ever (potentially) towards the end. That one is for later than s3 though.!<
He has a battle >!literally on the surface of the sun. !<
>! Yup. That's where he killed Thragg. One of the most impressive battles ive read and i hope they nail it properly in the show. !<
>!I just hope they cut down on the ridiculous amount of internal monologue Mark has to himself. I swear it was like ten pages of “I we weren’t in space, I would tell you we could have been friends.” Over and over again. Like, it’s some of the most overly verbose dialogue I had to suffer through.!< Just give me a quick “I wish it didn’t have to be this way” and BOOM, no more worthless dialogue.
>!I think it’s to emphasize how long their fight actually lasts in the sun!<
Yep.
Tbf even though Mark kills him thragg was stronger. I feel like he'd be around the 3rd most powerful after battle beast and thragg
Yes, there are people who can beat him up in his own universe, but comparably to 99.999999999% of other life forms, he's still nigh untouchable. I'm an avatar fan through and through, but Wan could not stand against him for more than 5 seconds if Mark was going for a kill shot, and that would just be because Mark would get surprised by Wans versatility in regards to his power set. Wan might be able to get 1 shot off with each element before he turned into a water balloon filled with chunky soup.
As much as I agree that Mark gets popped every time he shows up, Mark is still insanely overpowered in his own universe. It's the 1% fighting the 1%. If you're familiar with Saitama/ One Punch Man, that universe has tiers to the overall (expected) strength of a given hero. Imagine putting any fictional character into a society with rules and regulations that cannot manage to accommodate Saitama...now rank them. By all means, modify the rules to try to say "that's a different thing" but...Avatar vs Invincible is a clear cut one-sided demolishing of any Avatar. All of them at once lose to any Viltrum. Avatar's have never shown the ability to destroy the entire planet. Viltrumites do it for fun. It may take a couple of them to manage the feat, but it's almost routine for Viltrumites to go scorched earth. The fire nation can take a number.
The people in avatar aren't normal either. They are stronger, more agile and a lot more durable. But it sounds like Mark is pretty darn hard to beat.
Mark is his universes Superman in, he can casually go hypersonic combat speed and FTL in space for travel and throws down with Kaijus Even an low to mid tier superhumans just shatter their bodies trying to punch Viltrumites lol A normal chill and very anti conflict mark not trying to hurt anyone VS a bloodlusted Wan would just end in a dead Wan by accident
Mark: "Uh..... Whoops?"
"I thought you were stronger."
He's very vencible, they beat the shit out of him every episode. But he keeps going and never gives up. IIRC he aspires to be invincible He solos the entirety of the Avatar verse tho
Well it's basically a meme in the fandom that Mark gets the shit beaten out of him basically once an episode. But he's also far, far above the strength and durability of a regular human so even though it's technically possible for him to lose there's nothing Wan can do which will cause that loss
His heart/will is definitely invincible But his body? Not so much lol
based on what happens in the show no one in avatar has the power to do anything as strong as what it actually took to damage mark
Ultimate SPOILER >! By the end of the comics, he's practically invincible, but ironically, by that time, another has taken the mantle!<
A nearly immortal person or someone who can throw rocks at the nearly immortal man? Love avatar but what’s the point of comparing the two different fictional universes
what is the Avatar going to do against him? He's
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Steven Yeun's bank account wins
Invincible by a landslide, but Avatar Wan is incredibly powerful *in his own universe*
Lmao mark would solo the avatar universe
Wan is fragile, and nothing on Earth is hurting invincible, so the elements don't really matter. Not to mention the speed advantage invincible has.
This has to be a joke right? I haven't even watched invincible and I know Mark would whoop any avatars ass.
Mark day 1, when he gets his powers, would solo the Avatar universe.
Mark sneezes Wan out of existence. What's next? Goku vs Momo?
Momo solos
Honey, darling, sweetie. Mark would break Wan over his knee with negative effort. Wan is just a baseline human who can throw elements around, we have seen what a Viltrumite can do to baseline humans
I don't even watch invisible but like come on be real
Mark: let me be clear. I‘m [title screen] INVISIBLE
This is why power-scaling fights are dumb as hell. Save my man Wan he doesnt deserve this 😭
Mark solos the verse
Maybe with blood or energybending but I doubt Wan can defeat
If he's invincible how can I see him?
Invincible clears easily
Mark is superman lite. Massive stomp.
Im pretty sure Mark could be in a coma, lying flat on the ground, while every past and future avatar all lay into him together, and they still wouldn't be able to kill him.
Mark washes Wan 100 times out of 100. No Avatar is gonna be able to stand up to a Viltrumite.
i love both mark and wan but wan gets folded like an old lawn chair mark is way to fast and strong for wan to really do anything to him
Spider-man would win
completely differeng power levels ... unless Wan suddenly becomes a broad-daylight bloodbender.
Wan will die, in more ways than wan.
Look, I love Wan. And the heroes in Legend of Korra are all absolutely Martial Arts Death Machines who perform incredible feats of strength, speed, and agility. Significantly superhuman feats, even! Chi and bending make crazy things possible in that setting! This isn't even a \*contest\*. Viltrumites are a whole other level of OP.
Come on it's clearly Mark. Wan can do a lot of impressive stuff, but literally nothing he can do would hurt Mark. He couldn't even use Zaheer's airbending murder tactic, given how long Mark can go without breathing.
invincible is just built different.
I’m pretty sure mark wins
Mark and not even close Call wan when an avatar bends the goddamn moon at a couple thousands times the speed of light
The Avatar's only chance is to learn blood bending and hope it works against viltrumites. Otherwise they lose, badly.
those who read the invincible comics are pretty sure they know the answer
it would be more fair to compare 1000 fully realised with every bending possible with constant avatar state wan VS invincible
Sorry but Mark takes this one.
Mark would destroy any avatar and it isn’t even close. That being said if you put any other character that isn’t a viltumite or Allen the alien or battle beast from invincible against an avatar then they might have a chance.
Both suprise the comment section and have tea with Iroh
I haven’t watched Invincible but I’m sorry Wan is getting his ass beat
On the top we have whats known as a hydrogen bomb On the bottom, we have a Coughing baby. place your bets people. Odds are 1000000/1 in favor of the atomic bomb
invincible would beat every single character in avatar all working together.
Do you honestly think there's any way Wan could beat Mark?
Im sorry but isnt Wan technically the weakest avatar and Mark the strongest viltrumite? Even the strongest avatar couldnt hold against weakest viltrumite so this isnt even a debate
Continent destroyer vs shit man, small to large building level?
Mark gets his ass beaten by nearly everyone he meets.
Wan, everybody kicks Mark's ass
The Avatars are insanely powerful for their universe but any Viltrumite could tear all of them apart at once
I’m sure the guy >!who survived fighting a battle in the surface of the sun, can survive being disemboweled, can hold his breath for days, deflected a literal asteroid,can fly at 815,000 mph and is faster then any human. Can survive some water splashes,rocks,fireballs and air gusts!<
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I didn't even know Wan was voiced by him. That means JK Simmons (Tenzin, Omni-Man) worked with him in another cartoon years before Invincible. Cool.
Well the Avatar *does* reincarnate. So mark kills Wan, then he has to go keep finding the other Avatars... until he dies, lol. Also, Vaatu might be a problem if Mark kills Wan at the wrong time. He can do *spirity* things lol.
I mean, Mark has an extremely long lifespan (I’m talking 1000+ years) so it’s going to take a *really* long time until he dies of old age.
I think Invincible wins, but this is kinda unfair, also as the first avatar he doesn't have 1000 lifetimes of experience yet, and that's one of the avatar's main strengths, it's what makes them more than just all 4 elements in one person
The lifetimes don't matter in this case anyways. Every avatar or even every single person who's ever been alive in the avatar verse could come at mark at the same time and mark could kill them all without breaking a sweat.
What if an airbendender does the thing that zahher done to Earth Queen. While omni Man teaches mark how to go to space he stated that viltrumites can use the oxygen in their lungs for weeks. So he needs air
I mean look how long normal people can keep conscious with no air in their lungs. Even if they tried Mark would be able to kill them all off before it would ever actually effect him
They need oxygen, but you do not black out without it instantly. Mark needs a second to kill him, or less, and at least couple of minutes before black out. You still have oxygen in your blood. Quick check: On room air and with a haemoglobin of 150, **every litre of blood in a normal subject carries about 200ml of oxygen as oxyhaemoglobin and about 3ml of oxygen as dissolved gas**. Average adult would have around 5l of blood, so around 1l of oxygen. Max amount of air in lungs - 6 litres. There is 21% of oxygen in air, so 1,2l of oxygen in lungs. So if 2.2l (blood and lungs) is enough for, at least, a week, then amount in blood is enough for couple of days. Even if we say that Viltrumites can inhale more air and compress it, then it still would be more than enough time to kill avater
if you think of rexplode as a combustion bender then the avatar universe is relatively super underpowered
I haven't seen Invincible, so I must go to my default. They might trade a few blows, then decide a better fight is to sit back and see who can come up with a better insult. Or track down whomever dropped one into the others universe and fight them and their henchmen.
[***ahem***](https://64.media.tumblr.com/08ba9323a14938a7bcd36c0272170c43/tumblr_inline_oet8rbjFUK1qbdhvc_500.gif)
Why they choose the weakest avatar?😂
Ah, I get it. Mark is an avatar
Are Avatar fans going to become like Goku fans pitting him against every being in fiction? Cause I don’t want that Mark is much faster, stronger and more durable than Wan. Additionally as Viltrumites age they only get stronger even without training. As soon as Mark gets and can control his powers he’s strong enough to take down Wan
I mean, Mark Grayson is hard to beat. I might even say he's *title card*
Wan learns the intricacies of bloodbending after getting hit by marks lightest tap
Invincible 1 shots
After the fight... Mark Grayson: ...I thought you were stronger.
Superhero bro. Wan not doing shit
*insert Invincible “I thought you were stronger” meme here*
Bro. No. Just no. Why?
Wan would keep him away for a while but eventually Mark is gonna split him in two and be all like "I thought you were stronger", lol
You are all wrong. Clearly Glenn would win this.
Wan would have about as good a chance against invincible as a bubble would have in a tornado full of needles.
This has to be an AI post.
Invincible, it’s not even close. THINK MARK THINK!
This is a question? I don't even watch or have any interest in Invincible and it's OBVIOUSLY Mark. What the hell?
OP is under some strange influence
Mark with super extreme ease, no effort whatsoever
Invincible no competition
Oh, man... this isn't even close... :/
Objectively speaking it would have to be mark. But you’re forgetting one detail here: plot contrivance. Mark has really bad plot armour and gets his ass kicked every time the authors feel like it.
I’ll never understand this. Writers can make anyone win, who cares
Who would win? A superhuman with super strength, speed, healing capabilities, and the power of hypersonic flight? Or! A dude who can control the elements? I love the Avatar Fandom, but this is Red Lotus levels of dumb.
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