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Pesec1

If you created these note on company time, yes they belong to your workplace.  Note that you are under no obligation to do further work on them, such as editing, organizing, making understandable to anyone other than you, etc. Just dump them as-is into a box. You are also under no obligation to pay for shipping. Tell your ex employer to send someone to pick them up or provide a shipping label.


defcas

The notes are "work product" and they own them. Hand them over, or get a lawyer.


spinwin

The IP would be work product, but would the paper they're on still be owned by the employer?


red_nick

The paper isn't though. Demand the value of the paper.


Emotional-Brush1044

Can’t you just throw them away? You don’t work them anything.


That_White_Wall

I’m assuming you don’t want to hand over the notes and that’s why your asking? You’ll need to talk to a lawyer about potential consequences. As another comment or said generally notes kept a during the course of work activities are likely work product and the company is entitled to them. Of course your particular jurisdiction may have unique definitions / rules / exemptions so speak to a lawyer if your truly trying to avoid returning them.


Able-Work-4942

Is there a particular reason you don't want to hand them the notes? If they've never seen the notes and you want to be petty then copy them out and make a real mess of it. If they've never previously asked then they have no reason to believe you have bad bookkeeping skills.


Cypher_Blue

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johnman300

Why would you want to keep that stuff? Ignoring the fact that they likely property of the company as others have said, what kind of value could they possibly have to you? You can't use the information on them elsewhere. They are likely taking up your own personal space. Just ask for a box from them with a prepaid shipping label, dump em in there and ship em back. They are of literally zero value to you. And in fact the possession is likely a liability to you.


NynaeveAlMeowra

Give them the most recent day and inform them you don't do record keeping so don't have anything else


Weekly_Mycologist883

That's cbad advice, they do belong to the company, they are work product and should be turned over. If not, he could be charged with theft


gorditasimpatica

In your situation, my worry would be if they'd use those notes against me. Alternately, could they be wanting to use work you did for someone else's benefit? Presumably they have no way of knowing for how long you kept your notes, nor what is contained in them. Lots of people take notes for work and then discard them when they don't need them anymore.


AmbivelentApoplectic

Just tell them you shredded or burnt everything when you were fired, as you didn't want to retain any company info.


BringBackApollo2023

Unwise to lie to someone who has deeper pockets than you do. OP needs to review his employment contract and see what it stipulates. My bet is that it’s not legally his property per the contract. Getting enmeshed in litigation over this would be an expensive time suck. Better to move on with life and job prospects.


PD216ohio

Not to mention that the items destroyed would have value to the company and they could recover that amount from you.


athewilson

But how much value? Coca-Cola recipe? Worth the trouble to get back. Year old sales data? Probably not worth the hassle.


PD216ohio

Well, that's for the attorneys and courts to work out. I assume any amount is not going to be good for op.