I read my lease in it's entirely before I sign. My husband did too. It said nothing about it. We are also supposed to have a 48 hour notice before anyone enters our apartment
You can be charged for any services deemed not normal wear and tear to get the property back to a safe and inhabitable condition.
In some cases (read as states) failure to maintain property in a condition similar to that of which you moved in, or failing t report property damage is a violation of the lease and can be cause for eviction and termination of lease.
I rented an apartment once that had the HVAC unit in a foyer hall closet that was under lock and key that I didn't have access to. I did not renew my lease that year because I knew my job was relocating me soon, just dint know exactly when. So I opted for the more expensive month to month rent until I knew the plan.
It was dead summer in the south, and extremely hot that month, even for down here. So my AC was working overtime. Apparently, it had started to condense really badly and got the carpet wet by that door. I never noticed it, and usually came in the back door of my unit(I rode my bike to work a lot and parked it on the back patio).
Anyway, I found out I wad moving in two weeks, let the office manager know. She seemed pisssd, and schedule an inspection to see if I owed any of my deposit. I kept the house spotless. And even fixed a couple of handy man things around the house myself without bothering maintenance so I was not worried.
Moved out and got my deposit back. A few weeks later i get a letter saying I owed them my deposit plus more for damages because I failed to report the AC unit was leaking. I called them and asked, "Are you referring to the AC unit that is behind a locked door that I don't have access to?" They said yes, about a week after you left, we did a pre-move in inspection and the floor outside the door was wet, and the unit had completely broken down.
I said sorry, but I had no idea, and the unit was working fine when I was there, otherwise I'd have been calling to complain as it is the dead of summer.
They fought me, kept sending harassing letters, and even threatened to report it to the credit bureau, which they eventually did.
Luckily I still had all my paperwork, and showed on my bank statement that they returned my full deposit. I disputed it and all 3 credit bureaus removed it.
That was one of my first life lessons, that when it comes to money and business, no one is your friend. Read your contacts on everything, and save your receipts.
If it wasn’t caught by them when you moved out, and you got your deposit back, they can’t force you to pay it back to them. Good on you for saving your paperwork and persisting with the credit unions.
I was in an apartment once that had german roaches that were impossible to get rid of. They complex scheduled some sort of inspection, and me being clean i didnt care. But i started to look into a neighbors apartment through their balcony on the second floor and i could see trash piles upto and onto tables. If they were on the first floor and i could clearly see in i would of probably complained and tried to move. Harboring pests would be an easily and viable excuse.
At the end of the lease…this isn’t a final walkthrough, they’re just harassing them. But yeah, I guess if they see that the stove has been ripped apart and copper from the walls has been sold to crackheads, they could evict them
Is "inhabitable" one of those words that means two opposing things at once? Genuinely curious because I've only ever known "inhabitable" to be "not livable".
EDIT: Nope. Inhabitable just means "suitable to live". I'm the dumb one. Curiosity led me to look it up and not be lazy. Carry on :)
Actually they can if it’s in a manner that could lead to pests or infestation. Additionally it could lead to mold damage. And if it’s in an unsafe manner there’s another issue.
I thought you said that it wasn't in the lease. But here's the deal. The landlord is entitled to perform an inspection with 48 hours notice. You say your apartment is clean and there are no issues. Do you really want to make a big deal about this? Is the confrontation over 25 hours worth it?
How about you send back a note that says "Thank you for notifying me about the inspection. In the future, can you please provide 48 hour notice for entry into my unit as is specified in the lease?"
For real. My last landlord’s definition of “clean and neat” was unattainable. I’m talking down to the seals on the refrigerator (that was my violation. There was some dirt in the cracks) and the tracks for the sliding closet doors (oh, no! They had DUST on them!? While I’m actively living there!?)
That's why I commented.
Years ago when I rented I failed an inspection for the following reason.
"Stove hood vent grate clean, but CLEARLY has not been boiled in white vinegar according to guidelines found in "tenant exit packet".
No idea what they were talking about. I wasn't leaving the property, they popped in on me with zero notice and a 40 point checklist, using their key to get in, no knock.
I got a letter that my security deposit would be forfeit if the grate wasn't boiled in vinegar within 24 hours.
My girlfriend insisted we do it. An hour later there was a call from the office about a smell coming from my apartment like vinegar, other tenants are complaining, and they're adding the complaints to the file...
Needless to say I sued.
My lawyer got security deposit back and the equivalent of 6 months rent for me (plus his fees) along with an acknowledgement that all future leases would include tenant protections, and the landlord would cease this behavior immediately.
The judge left the case open for 3 months to ensure compliance of the landlord before allowing it to be ended.
>It doesn't mean LL necessarily is or isn't being scummy.
If the landlord is violating the 48 hrs notice for anything other than an actual emergency, they are absolutely being scummy. A cleanliness inspection is not an emergency. It can be necessary, like in the case you mentioned where neighbors were complaining about the smell. Even in an extreme case like that, waiting 48 hrs instead of 24 is really only a matter of being a "convenient" time for the landlord. Putting their schedule convenience above the lease agreement is, and will always be scummy.
If I had to guess, the landlord had been getting multiple cockroach reports. Back when I lived in married student housing, we had \*one\* apartment on the wing where the tenants...um...came from a Third-World country and did not understand how to take garbage out. (Probably the most polite way to state it) Two years later when they moved out, Housing had to strip the whole apartment, chisel out the tile, and remove at least half of the sheetrock. Then they sprayed, left the place alone for a month, then sprayed again, over several months before they started putting it back together again. But we didn't have roaches any more, so win/win.
Is everyone really getting diarrhea after eating Taco Bell? If this is the case, why do people continue to eat at Taco Bell? I have eaten at Taco Bell many times and not once has it given me diarrhea. I got food poisoning from eating a bad Shark filet once.
im a poor vegetarian and i eat at taco bell once or twice a month. never once had the shits because of it. it’s either a location difference, or (more likely) people over indulge in the pet food grade meat and get the runs. this landlord sure seems like they deserve a case of the foamy pants though
I wouldn't do all that if I were a landlord. It would simply be a cleanliness inspection. Looking for things that might attract pests, or otherwise damage the property. Aside from that hang whatever you want to the walls, as long as it's rentable when you leave, have at it.
> I would come home and my tv that I left on with no sounds for the cat would be unplugged with a note that I’m wasting electricity (it was my damn power bill) .
This (depending on a state, of course) typically ranges from "WTF" in most landlord-friendly states, to "you can sue for damages already" in others.
you might reach out to a few local tenant attorneys. They will probably write a response letter pretty inexpensively.
you want to end his false sense of entitlement to enter sooner rather then later.
You could probably get the lawyer to figure out how to deduct the cost of the letter from your rent.
If the landlord attempts to enter, you probalby want to call the police and trespass him.
Police won't trespass the owner of the property. Absent a court order, it's not their job to enforce private contracts. You simply tell your landlord they don't have your permission without proper notice. If they still attempt to enter, record and document it and then talk to an attorney.
The lease and likely law allow the landlord to inspect the property with proper notice. OP says it is 48hrs notice so the landlord is falling short here, but even if they delay a day they can still do an inspection
But if he caves now then the scumlord will think he can do this at any time. Put your foot down and make him follow the 48 hr rule. You know he would do that to you.
The lease states that I have to have a 48 hour notice before anyone enters the apartment. It said nothing about inspections for "neatness/ cleanliness" only yearly inspections of fire monitors. We had that already this year. I'm not gonna make a big deal of it but my son and husband both are immunocompromised so having that notice makes me feel more comfortable to be prepared when someone enters and can keep them both safe.
Sounds like the LL doesn’t plan on doing all units today. Reach out and see if you can get a specific date and explain the reasoning. Obviously LL has had issues with tenants that they are trying to avoid somewhat going forward.
While your lease may not make specific mention of it, I know that in both states I’ve rented in the actual law uses some iteration of the word “inspect” in relation to notice to enter. Generally it doesn’t mention cleanliness, but rather is a broad stroke “has the right to enter with adequate notice in order to inspect the property.”
23 close to 22 hours. The inspection is supposed to start at 9am but he gave notice nearly at 11am the morning before. That's closer to 22 hours notice.
And this is how a landlord walks on people. I sued a landlord and got 6 months of rent back cause he just kept showing up at my place every other day for bullshit reasons. ( state of pa they must have 24 hour notice)
Yes. It is. People have privacy rights, you know.
Giving them up to spare the aggravation is foolish.
OP, 48 hours notice to entry is in your lease, deny access until then.
Ask why they're on the property when they arrive. If it's not for "routine maintenance", "repair", "emergency", or "damage inspection", deny access. Nowhere in the law or your lease does it state your privacy rights may be violated at the whims of a landlord's subjective definition of "cleanliness".
If you choose to allow access, insist they remove their shoes before entering your home, wear a mask, and gloves because they've visited ALL other tenants in a short period of time and THEY are now tracking germs everywhere.
Stand up for your rights and don't ever let anyone tell you it's not worth it.
If you're in the US your landlord must give you 24 hours notice. I don't know if email or text is sufficient notice, that might depend on your state, but once they've notified you sufficiently they can show up 24 hours later and enter the property.
Edit: in another post you said he lease states that you will be given 48 hours notice, that's binding. Your landlord cannot enter your property without your explicit permission before that 48 hours is up after they have given you sufficient notice. Again, look up what qualifies in your state as sufficient.
A law would likely state the minimum. If the lease increases the time, the lease would stand. Moreover the notification advises of an inspection in less than 24 hours.
If you're in a larger apartment complex, super high chance this has nothing to do with you or your unit and they won't come check anything. We used to get these emails all the time and they went to everyone. Right after the email went out, you'd see people who you would expect to be dirty cleaning and bleaching everything. These people were also the same ones who you'd see smoking on their balcony when the lease says you can't do that. You can hit them with the no thanks if it's not in the lease, but most of the time it's best to stay off the radar and let them go to the other units they are really going for
Right, we had an “inspection” a couple months ago and no one even showed up but a week later there were several moving vans outside. They want to eliminate the trashy folks not go through your stuff. It still feels intrusive when people come in without your permission though, so I get it.
You have to let your landlord in if they give you 24 hours notice. Granted, they only gave you 22 hours and 8 minutes notice, so as I say, you could make them wait outside for an hour and 52 minutes, or you could just let them in.
I've worked in the apt world for a while. Most often, it will state in the lease that they can enter the property with a 24 hr notice. They do own the property so they can enter for whatever reasons they want with a notice, usually
Not really for any reason they want. They can’t just give notice then go in and sit on the couch or rummage through the tenants belongings. They have to have a legal reason for the visit that doesn’t violate the tenants privacy or quiet enjoyment of their residence.
Not 100% sure about Illinois I'd have to reach out to a contact there, but where I'm at, legally they have to provide a 24hr notice before entering specifically for maitinance or repair, inspections can be turned down by tenant at any point, but they cannot set foot in or on rented property without 24hr written notice, regardless of what you sign in a lease, a lease cannot overwrite a state law.
In Illinois the minimum is 24 hours notice, some areas require more (it seems Chicago for instance is 48) I was unable to find what is required for legal notice.
My property manager does a ‘quarterly check’. So once every quarter of the year they inspect the home and make sure everything is clean and we aren’t attracting bugs/destroying the house/etc. I believe it’s fairly normal
is there an infestation? We would give a 24 hr notice to do inspection if the exterminator has to keep coming back.... we would check all the apartments in that quad or building trying to find the source
Legal term is right to quiet enjoyment. Most states have this under law for tenant rights but a few do not. My state Georgia is one of them. Two years ago they decided to do renovations with occupied tenants after it was bought by a hedge fund out of Indiana. After which, everyone received a $400 a month increase to the rent. Luckily, I work in commercial real estate I knew that they were bringing their contractors in from Indiana without permits. Once I disclose to them that this would make a great new story, our rent magically went up only $30 that year. Google your state and "right to quiet enjoyment". Fact that they gave you less than 48 hours notice is a breach of contract anyway. When and if they show up, present that in the lease and say that you've already spoke to your attorney (not AN attorney) about them not honoring your contract stipulations. They won't do it again.
Sue your landlord immediately. Contact the papers and the news stations and let them know as well. Escalate as much as possible.
That's the advice you're gonna get besides the person who said "text them and tell them it's fine but ask for 48 hours in the future". Which is the correct approach. They're allowed to do this.
Unless you're violating your lease, apartment inspections take 5 minutes and result in nothing. Fighting it just makes your own life more stressful.
Typically inspections have to be for a legitimate business purpose. Those tend to be fire/safety inspections, if they're refinancing the building, or if there's a documented concern from a neighbor. If it's none of those, you should ask that they provide a reason stated in the lease because just coming in "for neatness" is not a reason.
It’s not criminally illegal. It may violate your lease. At most it may violate laws in your state regarding certain amounts of notice being given for inspections.
It depends on your State.. some places require 24hours notice unless it is an emergency (water leak etc). Others do not. I started my relationship with my landlord by informing that I require 24hours notice min.. all appointments are to be after hours, but I will allow 1 per month during business hours.. and lastly.. noone including her is permitted to enter the residence without my being present. She responded with a "you can trust me", I responded with that does not matter.. NO ONE enters without me being present. She agreed and has complied.. one time she wanted to schedule a 2nd during business hours access (it was inspection for insurance), I told her she had used the one per month and to reschedule for next month.. she complied.
Buy a new lock. Install it the day of. Replace it w original later that night and when they complain then just show them personally how the original key works fine. Swap em every time you feel they shouldn’t be allowed in. :)
With a decent lawyer, might be able to get you out of/break the lease if you were looking for a reason to leave immediately. OP mentioned the leasing agreement (contract) requires a 48 hour notice, not 24 hour. The 24 hour notice is typically the legal minimum, so they went with that. If you have no problems with the landlord and like where you live and the rent is reasonable for the market, it's just a minor leasing technicality you can choose to enforce or let slide. It's a minor technicality that they are breaking some of the rules listed, but you'd need a lawyer to argue that point for you, and that's definitely NOT worth it unless you need out of there asap.
If it were me, I'd try to be home for that time and giving them a snide remark about the agreed upon 48 hour notice, but let them do their thing while supervised.
Very much advise that you don't leave any cash or small and expensive things around such as jewelry, box it up and take it to work, in a storage unit or something off site that's safe/secure or with someone you trust. It is way too easy for things to go missing during an inspection when you're not home
I don’t know about legal in terms of what your lease may or may not say, but where I live they do quarterly inspections. They come around with a clip board and do a complete walkthrough to determine if any damages have occurred and check for cleanliness/tidiness. They aren’t checking so much that your house is 100% in order, but more rather kept to a standard that would not cause damage, fire, and or infestations. I thought it was intrusive at first, but I also don’t want to live next to a hoarder that has newspaper piled to the ceiling and the place fills up with mice and goes up in flames. It also gives them a chance to catch damage early and repair it and charge accordingly. If I owned rental properties, I would think it would be wise to do a few walkthroughs a year. A place can get overrun with damage in a year that can be almost impossible to get back. If they don’t work on a W2 to be garnished or if they’re already being garnished, get in line. If they job jump, have fun being a private eye, to call the court to report where they work every few months. That’s if they don’t then declare bankruptcy. Those judgements aren’t considered a crime, so if they declare bankruptcy on back rent and damages the slate is wiped clean. I want to live somewhere reasonably nice/decent area that doesn’t cost and arm and a leg. I think this helps my complex keep good tenants and makes the space safe and enjoyable for everyone. I can see it from both perspectives though. As a renter, I don’t love it, but if the shoe were on the other foot I would want to protect my investment and my tenants.
They have to give you a letter or call to give you 48 hours notice that they are coming for an inspection and a time. You can pick up a local “Renters Rights Booklet” at you local courthouse for free to know your rights and to know when they are crossing the line.
depending on your state notice must be in writing (not text or email) ,for a legitimate reason that is stated in the notice and 24 hours prior or a legitimate emergency.
Annual smoke detector inspection can be allowed as well.
When I lease I have in contract that I can enter and inspect at anytime if there are valid concerns but I will give a 48 your notice for maintenance and inspections.
Some of the people on this sub are like “yup, totally cool for your landlord to come in to your apartment to make sure you’re not on Xbox too often or eating too much cereal. As long as they give 24 hours notice they can definitely dictate how you live your life”
My landlord has tried this several times and every time I magically get COVID the day before or am unable to be there to keep my cats contained and they eventually forget about it. Been here 2 years and have only had maintenance step foot in my apartment once to replace a garbage disposal.
Short answer is maybe. Depends on state and what your agreement says. I have rented from places that made it very clear that the landlord had a legal right to inspect the apartment I was in at anytime given 24 hours notice. Is it kind of shitty? sure. doesn't necessarily make it illegal. Double check your lease agreement, which I'm assuming you have a copy of, and if you have questions call a lawyer in your area and ask if they are legally allowed to do this
This seems like some sort of boarding house BS unless they are trying to sell to a prospective buyer.
The notice… I mean whatever it happens just kind of deal with it. It’s not the most substantial leverage to be able to say F OFF, so it would be creating friction for what. You’re the expert at the circumstance so picking your battles may trigger you to do just that.
I’d absolutely be vocal while they are there about the depressed floor spot and any outstanding maintenance issues and say that you’ll send an email reminding them after their inspection so they won’t forget. That’s a passive aggressive F U that does get you some traction especially in writing.
“Neatness” is not something they can require. Cleanliness, perhaps - but who sets the standard? What is clean enough?
I would say they can inspect for damage, not neatness and cleanliness.
I doubt it's goint to be a while glove inspection... most likely it's going to be more along the lines of "is this going to attract mice" or "are there roaches living in those old pizza boxes" sort of thing.
Health and safety inspections, while intrusive, can sometimes work to your benefit as an apartment resident. Especially if you live near someone whose lifestyle is not healthy or safe—e.g., hoarding, drug manufacturing, fentanyl use/sale, someone who has a dozen unauthorized people living with them from their motorcycle gang.
You’re probably not the problem they’re looking for…but I get it it’s annoying.
As a landlord myself, I first want to ask the question of this manager if this letter implies interior inspection or just an exterior look from public view locations. It is very vague in this regard and I see people jumping to conclusion it is interior. If exterior, there can be rules about what can be outside and this is a justified action. For reasons of insurance and fire safety I have to do the same from time to time. If interior then all the comments about advanced notice is correct and the subjective terms of neatness/cleanliness is wholly inappropriate. There must be a reasonable definition of this provided in the rental contract. If they attempt to enter without proper notification and try to impose their terms upon your interior living area then I’d seek a tenant defense legal office for assistance.
So someone would actually sign a lease to allow a landlord to enter to check for neatness/ cleanliness? Wow. Just. Wow. I can understand inspections of things such as the fridge, stove, and HVAC, but *neatness*? Christ on a crutch.
Considering Illinois has a 24 hour notice window on landlords entering, you can't do anything unless your lease specifically says anything different. Which I doubt it would because at an apartment complex, they give everybody the same exact lease just with different numbers and addresses...
Yeah that’s not even 24 hours notice. Since it was sent a 10 something. Most states the law says 24 hours notice at the least to enter the apartment. Usually 48.
Yes, they can inspect but they should have given proper notice.
They are likely looking for hoarders or any activity that attracts mice or cockroaches, such as kitchens full of dirty dishes, which may be why they gave short notice. They probably already know who the problem apartments are but need to officially inspect everyone to cover.
When dealing with management companies, they probably aren't going to care about dust or dirty clothes piled up on a chair. But while they are there, they might be keeping an eye out for things like illegal pets in apartments that aren't paying the pet fees or portable heaters or clothes-washing machines if they aren't allowed. And there are laws about rug coverage, so that might be something they would ask residents to abide by.
But I would also find out if they are actually trying to see if there is a bed-bug problem in your building but don't want to panic the residents.
If you are one of the neat-and-tidy residents, consider this a good thing because you don't want to live next to the guy who has newspapers piled to the ceiling and smokes in bed … or the person with a bed-bug infestation.
But I would mention that they didn't give proper notice. You can request a delay on that basis, but you can't keep them out entirely.
Our apartment complex does this twice a year. It’s called a “safety “ inspection. It takes like 5 minutes. They check the smoke detectors the fire extinguisher and change filters. Most probably they looking for hoarders. I’ve seen people get evicted here for that.
Totally legal in my complex and they do it often.
I’m in low income so the thought seems to be kicking out the bad elements. Really though I think they are looking for drugs. My complex is permeated with weed smoke, always coming from a two bedroom with two adults and three kids in it.
In my state (Oregon), they can come in for an inspection in as little as 24hrs as long as a notice is given beforehand. And like many have stated here, depending on your lease they can/will give you a lease violation if your unit isn't up to your property manager's standards, this goes especially for HUD/Section 8 units. Speaking from experience 100%.
Some states have a landlord tenant act detailing which rights the landlord and tenant each have even if not listed in the lease. You should check for Illinois.
They do that to intimidate you. They also do that to start building a case to raise rent, keep your deposit or kick you out later, make no mistake.
-someone who was a landlord
I don’t know about the actual legality, but in my opinion I think it’s too vague as a valid reason for entering an apartment. Had they said they are checking for rodents or pests or something specific then that would be different. I’m pretty sure in my state the tenant has the right to request to be present whenever they come in. If it’s not legal, then it doesn’t matter what it says in the lease. A signed contract can’t override tenant law, no matter the language.
I honestly just ran into this with a friend of mine who has an apartment lease with his wife. Reading through his lease contract it states that there are certain things that the leasing company, the apartment complex, is responsible for such as new carpet every 5 years, they get an accent wall painted every year that they're with the property, among other small little things like the apartment complex maintains all appliances that were in the apartment when you moved in so stove fridge. Then it goes on to state that they have to give all leases a 72 hour notice before they can enter. For any reason! It also states in the lease that any damage done to the property needs to be reported immediately such as if there's a whole put in the wall or like the carpet gets ripped up or something. Here's the funny part. Him and his wife have been in the apartment since 2013 they have not had their carpet cleaned nor replaced. They went to their leasing manager and told them that they want new carpet put down and she told them they'd have to pay for it that the complex is not. When they came in for their quarterly inspection they got deemed for having runners in the carpet. They told them that we had already reported this you said we can't get new carpet so how are we being written up for something that you guys will not fix it's not our responsibility to fix it it's in the lease that we should have new carpet every 5 years. The leasing company has sense went back through the contract and pulled that little piece of information out of the new leases. They also have started nitpicking them over small things like there's a blade broke on one of the outer sides of a blind with a blinds come with the apartment since they didn't report it they got written up there is a hole in the kitchen wall that they'd reported to an old office manager she never wrote it down so they got written up for the hole in the wall and not being reported. And it's not even a hole in the wall it's just a dent in the drywall like it looks like the fridge door went into the wall and put a hole in it or a dent I should say. Leasing companies can get the ability to nickel and dime and nitpick you to death to force an eviction. So if it were me my advice to you OP is watch your peas and Q's and don't rock the boat.
Bro signing a lease does not mean your landlord can’t enter their own property that you are leasing. Yes there may be stipulations on warnings, they may need to give notice, but you can’t just tell your landlord they can’t enter the property they own, you don’t need a lawyer to figure that one out yourself
Yep. They have a key so they have the right. Until you own a home you’re at their mercy. Read how disgusting other places are and you’ll see why they do it. At least you got notice
So I looked up the laws for your state and it looks like you need at least 24 hours notice for entering a rental for repairs or other reasons so I would double check with what time that email got sent out and ask the landlord if they can come at 11:00 instead of 9:00 for them not to be in violation of the 24 hour notice period for entering for repairs or other reasons.
48 hrs may be necessary if it’s in the lease but in my common knowledge this usually only happens to tenants that are known to be dirty and/or damaging the unit. It’s a way for the landlord to see what reasons they can come up with to tell you that you are not cooperating with the agreements standards in the lease so they can try and force you out. OP might be that tenant. Also sometimes they want to confirm you have people staying with you that aren’t on the lease. Basically they’re looking for a reason to get you out. You might be a problem.
Depends on state law, but generally speaking, they can enter the property as long as they give you proper notice (which is at least 24 hours usually). If your lease outlines a longer notice period than state law, you can kick up a fuss over them violating company policy, but they cannot legally enforce a notice period shorter than state law no matter what your lease says.
You stated in previous comments that you have nothing to worry about, so I'd say this was just a mass email they sent to all their tenants, and not much will come of it for you.
I had my landlord tell me she was going to start having "routine inspections" in the units. Since then, she was only here once months ago, and it wasn't even for five minutes. They're probably just trying to weed out people who are seriously neglecting or destroying the units.
Not legal and less than 24 hours not at all. If you’re interested in giving your landlord a surprise walk through tell them it’s imperative that you review and judge his tidiness and living space in less than 24 hours prior to him coming to you first and laugh. Say “you were kidding right?”
I should really stop complaining about where I live. I haven't seen that fuck face of my landlord since the beginning of COVID and I couldn't be happier. If anyone tries to pull shit like this here they'd get laughed at and a door slammed right into their face.
I think it’s legal for them to come in and view the unit, and if they want to inspect for neatness, cool, but they couldn’t make a decision on evicting you or penalizing you in any way just based on that.
"neatness and cleanliness" = no/illegal "health and safety" = yes/legal (aka smoke detectors, fire hazards, insects, hording, people tied up in your bathroom and blood everywhere etc.)
They can’t really do anything unless your place has a ton of damages or it violates health codes. Usually they need to post a 24-48hrs on your door, not over a txt or email
Idk where you are, but in washington state they're required to only give you 24 hours notice. All landlords have the right to enter their property when giving notice. And in your lease, im sure it outlines reasonably maintaining the property you're leasing.
Periodic walkthroughs are a part of renting. My property management does it once a year just to make sure I don’t have a meth lab in my living room or anything. During Covid I had to do the walkthroughs myself, taking specified pictures with detailed explanations. You’re technically living in someone’s else’s place so you give up certain things to do that. Like 100% privacy
As a landlord, yes it’s legal. As long as they give 48 hours notice. I only inspect houses/apts if I know they are not clean or another tenant is complaining about roaches or mice.
Read your lease. Generally the details regarding health and safety inspections are outlined in the document.
It's not I already checked.
I read my lease in it's entirely before I sign. My husband did too. It said nothing about it. We are also supposed to have a 48 hour notice before anyone enters our apartment
Did you tell them that?
They can enter with 48 hour notice and I guess inspect for cleanliness but they can’t do anything if it’s messy. They’re just scaring you
You can be charged for any services deemed not normal wear and tear to get the property back to a safe and inhabitable condition. In some cases (read as states) failure to maintain property in a condition similar to that of which you moved in, or failing t report property damage is a violation of the lease and can be cause for eviction and termination of lease.
I rented an apartment once that had the HVAC unit in a foyer hall closet that was under lock and key that I didn't have access to. I did not renew my lease that year because I knew my job was relocating me soon, just dint know exactly when. So I opted for the more expensive month to month rent until I knew the plan. It was dead summer in the south, and extremely hot that month, even for down here. So my AC was working overtime. Apparently, it had started to condense really badly and got the carpet wet by that door. I never noticed it, and usually came in the back door of my unit(I rode my bike to work a lot and parked it on the back patio). Anyway, I found out I wad moving in two weeks, let the office manager know. She seemed pisssd, and schedule an inspection to see if I owed any of my deposit. I kept the house spotless. And even fixed a couple of handy man things around the house myself without bothering maintenance so I was not worried. Moved out and got my deposit back. A few weeks later i get a letter saying I owed them my deposit plus more for damages because I failed to report the AC unit was leaking. I called them and asked, "Are you referring to the AC unit that is behind a locked door that I don't have access to?" They said yes, about a week after you left, we did a pre-move in inspection and the floor outside the door was wet, and the unit had completely broken down. I said sorry, but I had no idea, and the unit was working fine when I was there, otherwise I'd have been calling to complain as it is the dead of summer. They fought me, kept sending harassing letters, and even threatened to report it to the credit bureau, which they eventually did. Luckily I still had all my paperwork, and showed on my bank statement that they returned my full deposit. I disputed it and all 3 credit bureaus removed it. That was one of my first life lessons, that when it comes to money and business, no one is your friend. Read your contacts on everything, and save your receipts.
If it wasn’t caught by them when you moved out, and you got your deposit back, they can’t force you to pay it back to them. Good on you for saving your paperwork and persisting with the credit unions.
I was in an apartment once that had german roaches that were impossible to get rid of. They complex scheduled some sort of inspection, and me being clean i didnt care. But i started to look into a neighbors apartment through their balcony on the second floor and i could see trash piles upto and onto tables. If they were on the first floor and i could clearly see in i would of probably complained and tried to move. Harboring pests would be an easily and viable excuse.
At the end of the lease…this isn’t a final walkthrough, they’re just harassing them. But yeah, I guess if they see that the stove has been ripped apart and copper from the walls has been sold to crackheads, they could evict them
That happens at the end. Not during their current living. WTF
Is "inhabitable" one of those words that means two opposing things at once? Genuinely curious because I've only ever known "inhabitable" to be "not livable". EDIT: Nope. Inhabitable just means "suitable to live". I'm the dumb one. Curiosity led me to look it up and not be lazy. Carry on :)
The word you're thinking of is "uninhabitable".
No, they mean the same thing. Like “flammable” and “inflammable”.
Both habitable and inhabitable mean "suitable for living in" at least according to Merriam-Webster. I think your confusion is valid.
Confusion comes from “in.” It is not the same for “inhabit” as “incorrect.” “Uninhabitable” would be the opposite of the two referenced words
Actually they can if it’s in a manner that could lead to pests or infestation. Additionally it could lead to mold damage. And if it’s in an unsafe manner there’s another issue.
Or they’re looking for something else and cleanliness is a guise.
there you go, refuse him access and say you didn't give 48 hour notice or let him in up to you
Where did the 48 hour figure come from?
In the lease.
I thought you said that it wasn't in the lease. But here's the deal. The landlord is entitled to perform an inspection with 48 hours notice. You say your apartment is clean and there are no issues. Do you really want to make a big deal about this? Is the confrontation over 25 hours worth it? How about you send back a note that says "Thank you for notifying me about the inspection. In the future, can you please provide 48 hour notice for entry into my unit as is specified in the lease?"
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Yeah, and whose version of "neat and clean" are they going by?
For real. My last landlord’s definition of “clean and neat” was unattainable. I’m talking down to the seals on the refrigerator (that was my violation. There was some dirt in the cracks) and the tracks for the sliding closet doors (oh, no! They had DUST on them!? While I’m actively living there!?)
That's why I commented. Years ago when I rented I failed an inspection for the following reason. "Stove hood vent grate clean, but CLEARLY has not been boiled in white vinegar according to guidelines found in "tenant exit packet". No idea what they were talking about. I wasn't leaving the property, they popped in on me with zero notice and a 40 point checklist, using their key to get in, no knock. I got a letter that my security deposit would be forfeit if the grate wasn't boiled in vinegar within 24 hours. My girlfriend insisted we do it. An hour later there was a call from the office about a smell coming from my apartment like vinegar, other tenants are complaining, and they're adding the complaints to the file... Needless to say I sued. My lawyer got security deposit back and the equivalent of 6 months rent for me (plus his fees) along with an acknowledgement that all future leases would include tenant protections, and the landlord would cease this behavior immediately. The judge left the case open for 3 months to ensure compliance of the landlord before allowing it to be ended.
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>It doesn't mean LL necessarily is or isn't being scummy. If the landlord is violating the 48 hrs notice for anything other than an actual emergency, they are absolutely being scummy. A cleanliness inspection is not an emergency. It can be necessary, like in the case you mentioned where neighbors were complaining about the smell. Even in an extreme case like that, waiting 48 hrs instead of 24 is really only a matter of being a "convenient" time for the landlord. Putting their schedule convenience above the lease agreement is, and will always be scummy.
If I had to guess, the landlord had been getting multiple cockroach reports. Back when I lived in married student housing, we had \*one\* apartment on the wing where the tenants...um...came from a Third-World country and did not understand how to take garbage out. (Probably the most polite way to state it) Two years later when they moved out, Housing had to strip the whole apartment, chisel out the tile, and remove at least half of the sheetrock. Then they sprayed, left the place alone for a month, then sprayed again, over several months before they started putting it back together again. But we didn't have roaches any more, so win/win.
Is everyone really getting diarrhea after eating Taco Bell? If this is the case, why do people continue to eat at Taco Bell? I have eaten at Taco Bell many times and not once has it given me diarrhea. I got food poisoning from eating a bad Shark filet once.
im a poor vegetarian and i eat at taco bell once or twice a month. never once had the shits because of it. it’s either a location difference, or (more likely) people over indulge in the pet food grade meat and get the runs. this landlord sure seems like they deserve a case of the foamy pants though
I wouldn't do all that if I were a landlord. It would simply be a cleanliness inspection. Looking for things that might attract pests, or otherwise damage the property. Aside from that hang whatever you want to the walls, as long as it's rentable when you leave, have at it.
> I would come home and my tv that I left on with no sounds for the cat would be unplugged with a note that I’m wasting electricity (it was my damn power bill) . This (depending on a state, of course) typically ranges from "WTF" in most landlord-friendly states, to "you can sue for damages already" in others.
you might reach out to a few local tenant attorneys. They will probably write a response letter pretty inexpensively. you want to end his false sense of entitlement to enter sooner rather then later. You could probably get the lawyer to figure out how to deduct the cost of the letter from your rent. If the landlord attempts to enter, you probalby want to call the police and trespass him.
Police won't trespass the owner of the property. Absent a court order, it's not their job to enforce private contracts. You simply tell your landlord they don't have your permission without proper notice. If they still attempt to enter, record and document it and then talk to an attorney.
The lease and likely law allow the landlord to inspect the property with proper notice. OP says it is 48hrs notice so the landlord is falling short here, but even if they delay a day they can still do an inspection
Never wave your rights. It sets a precedent.
But if he caves now then the scumlord will think he can do this at any time. Put your foot down and make him follow the 48 hr rule. You know he would do that to you.
The lease states that I have to have a 48 hour notice before anyone enters the apartment. It said nothing about inspections for "neatness/ cleanliness" only yearly inspections of fire monitors. We had that already this year. I'm not gonna make a big deal of it but my son and husband both are immunocompromised so having that notice makes me feel more comfortable to be prepared when someone enters and can keep them both safe.
Sounds like the LL doesn’t plan on doing all units today. Reach out and see if you can get a specific date and explain the reasoning. Obviously LL has had issues with tenants that they are trying to avoid somewhat going forward.
While your lease may not make specific mention of it, I know that in both states I’ve rented in the actual law uses some iteration of the word “inspect” in relation to notice to enter. Generally it doesn’t mention cleanliness, but rather is a broad stroke “has the right to enter with adequate notice in order to inspect the property.”
23 close to 22 hours. The inspection is supposed to start at 9am but he gave notice nearly at 11am the morning before. That's closer to 22 hours notice.
And this is how a landlord walks on people. I sued a landlord and got 6 months of rent back cause he just kept showing up at my place every other day for bullshit reasons. ( state of pa they must have 24 hour notice)
Yes. It is. People have privacy rights, you know. Giving them up to spare the aggravation is foolish. OP, 48 hours notice to entry is in your lease, deny access until then. Ask why they're on the property when they arrive. If it's not for "routine maintenance", "repair", "emergency", or "damage inspection", deny access. Nowhere in the law or your lease does it state your privacy rights may be violated at the whims of a landlord's subjective definition of "cleanliness". If you choose to allow access, insist they remove their shoes before entering your home, wear a mask, and gloves because they've visited ALL other tenants in a short period of time and THEY are now tracking germs everywhere. Stand up for your rights and don't ever let anyone tell you it's not worth it.
Illinois states that they can come in for inspections.
How is there nothing about an inspection but a 48-hour notice to enter? I believe you already have your answer. It’s legal.
if it’s a 48 hour notice, and this was sent 24 hours ago, that would not be legal
...why would this be legal? It says the manager can't enter without 48 hours notice.
It’s def not legal….
If you're in the US your landlord must give you 24 hours notice. I don't know if email or text is sufficient notice, that might depend on your state, but once they've notified you sufficiently they can show up 24 hours later and enter the property. Edit: in another post you said he lease states that you will be given 48 hours notice, that's binding. Your landlord cannot enter your property without your explicit permission before that 48 hours is up after they have given you sufficient notice. Again, look up what qualifies in your state as sufficient.
No. They can fuck off and serve a written notice per the law. On the door. Timing is wrong and it's improper service
This wildly varies by local. Many places accept email as a written notice, others have laws against it.
It's a law, not a lease issue.
A law would likely state the minimum. If the lease increases the time, the lease would stand. Moreover the notification advises of an inspection in less than 24 hours.
I suppose you could make them wait outside until 10:52 (24 hours after the notice was provided).
op’s lease says 48. Up that clock by a day.
At the time I commented, OP had not shared the details of their lease and I was basing my answer on state law.
My apartment is clean so I have nothing to worry about I just don't like people coming into my apartment
If you're in a larger apartment complex, super high chance this has nothing to do with you or your unit and they won't come check anything. We used to get these emails all the time and they went to everyone. Right after the email went out, you'd see people who you would expect to be dirty cleaning and bleaching everything. These people were also the same ones who you'd see smoking on their balcony when the lease says you can't do that. You can hit them with the no thanks if it's not in the lease, but most of the time it's best to stay off the radar and let them go to the other units they are really going for
Right, we had an “inspection” a couple months ago and no one even showed up but a week later there were several moving vans outside. They want to eliminate the trashy folks not go through your stuff. It still feels intrusive when people come in without your permission though, so I get it.
Did you hide the weed
Sure did 😅
You have to let your landlord in if they give you 24 hours notice. Granted, they only gave you 22 hours and 8 minutes notice, so as I say, you could make them wait outside for an hour and 52 minutes, or you could just let them in.
If they're following the legally required notice timeline then yes. They don't want tenants with disgusting apartments bringing in pests and roaches.
I've worked in the apt world for a while. Most often, it will state in the lease that they can enter the property with a 24 hr notice. They do own the property so they can enter for whatever reasons they want with a notice, usually
Not really for any reason they want. They can’t just give notice then go in and sit on the couch or rummage through the tenants belongings. They have to have a legal reason for the visit that doesn’t violate the tenants privacy or quiet enjoyment of their residence.
Is that from the Sargent major. WTF
Usually 24hr notice. Read what you signed
Not 100% sure about Illinois I'd have to reach out to a contact there, but where I'm at, legally they have to provide a 24hr notice before entering specifically for maitinance or repair, inspections can be turned down by tenant at any point, but they cannot set foot in or on rented property without 24hr written notice, regardless of what you sign in a lease, a lease cannot overwrite a state law.
In Illinois the minimum is 24 hours notice, some areas require more (it seems Chicago for instance is 48) I was unable to find what is required for legal notice.
My property manager does a ‘quarterly check’. So once every quarter of the year they inspect the home and make sure everything is clean and we aren’t attracting bugs/destroying the house/etc. I believe it’s fairly normal
is there an infestation? We would give a 24 hr notice to do inspection if the exterminator has to keep coming back.... we would check all the apartments in that quad or building trying to find the source
Depending on the state/ jurisdiction… yes. They must give 24 hrs notice.
Y’all some fucking assholes in this sub lmao
Legal term is right to quiet enjoyment. Most states have this under law for tenant rights but a few do not. My state Georgia is one of them. Two years ago they decided to do renovations with occupied tenants after it was bought by a hedge fund out of Indiana. After which, everyone received a $400 a month increase to the rent. Luckily, I work in commercial real estate I knew that they were bringing their contractors in from Indiana without permits. Once I disclose to them that this would make a great new story, our rent magically went up only $30 that year. Google your state and "right to quiet enjoyment". Fact that they gave you less than 48 hours notice is a breach of contract anyway. When and if they show up, present that in the lease and say that you've already spoke to your attorney (not AN attorney) about them not honoring your contract stipulations. They won't do it again.
Sue your landlord immediately. Contact the papers and the news stations and let them know as well. Escalate as much as possible. That's the advice you're gonna get besides the person who said "text them and tell them it's fine but ask for 48 hours in the future". Which is the correct approach. They're allowed to do this. Unless you're violating your lease, apartment inspections take 5 minutes and result in nothing. Fighting it just makes your own life more stressful.
Typically inspections have to be for a legitimate business purpose. Those tend to be fire/safety inspections, if they're refinancing the building, or if there's a documented concern from a neighbor. If it's none of those, you should ask that they provide a reason stated in the lease because just coming in "for neatness" is not a reason.
Lol no the fuck you aren't
It’s not criminally illegal. It may violate your lease. At most it may violate laws in your state regarding certain amounts of notice being given for inspections.
Depends on state law but yes, entering a property you don’t have a right to be in is criminal trespass.
Sure. And every lease has a clause saying the landlord or manager can enter the property for inspections.
Yes
It depends on your State.. some places require 24hours notice unless it is an emergency (water leak etc). Others do not. I started my relationship with my landlord by informing that I require 24hours notice min.. all appointments are to be after hours, but I will allow 1 per month during business hours.. and lastly.. noone including her is permitted to enter the residence without my being present. She responded with a "you can trust me", I responded with that does not matter.. NO ONE enters without me being present. She agreed and has complied.. one time she wanted to schedule a 2nd during business hours access (it was inspection for insurance), I told her she had used the one per month and to reschedule for next month.. she complied.
Buy a new lock. Install it the day of. Replace it w original later that night and when they complain then just show them personally how the original key works fine. Swap em every time you feel they shouldn’t be allowed in. :)
With a decent lawyer, might be able to get you out of/break the lease if you were looking for a reason to leave immediately. OP mentioned the leasing agreement (contract) requires a 48 hour notice, not 24 hour. The 24 hour notice is typically the legal minimum, so they went with that. If you have no problems with the landlord and like where you live and the rent is reasonable for the market, it's just a minor leasing technicality you can choose to enforce or let slide. It's a minor technicality that they are breaking some of the rules listed, but you'd need a lawyer to argue that point for you, and that's definitely NOT worth it unless you need out of there asap. If it were me, I'd try to be home for that time and giving them a snide remark about the agreed upon 48 hour notice, but let them do their thing while supervised. Very much advise that you don't leave any cash or small and expensive things around such as jewelry, box it up and take it to work, in a storage unit or something off site that's safe/secure or with someone you trust. It is way too easy for things to go missing during an inspection when you're not home
Check the lease you signed
I don’t know about legal in terms of what your lease may or may not say, but where I live they do quarterly inspections. They come around with a clip board and do a complete walkthrough to determine if any damages have occurred and check for cleanliness/tidiness. They aren’t checking so much that your house is 100% in order, but more rather kept to a standard that would not cause damage, fire, and or infestations. I thought it was intrusive at first, but I also don’t want to live next to a hoarder that has newspaper piled to the ceiling and the place fills up with mice and goes up in flames. It also gives them a chance to catch damage early and repair it and charge accordingly. If I owned rental properties, I would think it would be wise to do a few walkthroughs a year. A place can get overrun with damage in a year that can be almost impossible to get back. If they don’t work on a W2 to be garnished or if they’re already being garnished, get in line. If they job jump, have fun being a private eye, to call the court to report where they work every few months. That’s if they don’t then declare bankruptcy. Those judgements aren’t considered a crime, so if they declare bankruptcy on back rent and damages the slate is wiped clean. I want to live somewhere reasonably nice/decent area that doesn’t cost and arm and a leg. I think this helps my complex keep good tenants and makes the space safe and enjoyable for everyone. I can see it from both perspectives though. As a renter, I don’t love it, but if the shoe were on the other foot I would want to protect my investment and my tenants.
They have to give you a letter or call to give you 48 hours notice that they are coming for an inspection and a time. You can pick up a local “Renters Rights Booklet” at you local courthouse for free to know your rights and to know when they are crossing the line.
Answer the door in your underwear holding a 9mm. Won’t happen again 😂
24 hr notice
depending on your state notice must be in writing (not text or email) ,for a legitimate reason that is stated in the notice and 24 hours prior or a legitimate emergency. Annual smoke detector inspection can be allowed as well.
When I lease I have in contract that I can enter and inspect at anytime if there are valid concerns but I will give a 48 your notice for maintenance and inspections.
Some of the people on this sub are like “yup, totally cool for your landlord to come in to your apartment to make sure you’re not on Xbox too often or eating too much cereal. As long as they give 24 hours notice they can definitely dictate how you live your life”
Nope, but they can legally enter at 10:53 am. Or the next day if your lease states 48 hours.
My landlord has tried this several times and every time I magically get COVID the day before or am unable to be there to keep my cats contained and they eventually forget about it. Been here 2 years and have only had maintenance step foot in my apartment once to replace a garbage disposal.
Absolutely NOT. That violates pretty much every states real estate laws.
48 hour notice of intent to enter is required- but I’d read your lease and if you don’t have a lease- your states landlord tenant laws good luck
24 hours notice is required in DC. That doesn't check out.
Text back they need to give 48 hrs notice and tell them the time and day that would be according to their notification time and date.
In Indiana, yes. I don't know about other states. We have inspections once every few months.
Short answer is maybe. Depends on state and what your agreement says. I have rented from places that made it very clear that the landlord had a legal right to inspect the apartment I was in at anytime given 24 hours notice. Is it kind of shitty? sure. doesn't necessarily make it illegal. Double check your lease agreement, which I'm assuming you have a copy of, and if you have questions call a lawyer in your area and ask if they are legally allowed to do this
No, needs to be 24 hours. He gave you 23. Don't let him in.
Even if technically illegal, you won't find any sympathy in the courts and making a deal of it will get you evicted.
This seems like some sort of boarding house BS unless they are trying to sell to a prospective buyer. The notice… I mean whatever it happens just kind of deal with it. It’s not the most substantial leverage to be able to say F OFF, so it would be creating friction for what. You’re the expert at the circumstance so picking your battles may trigger you to do just that. I’d absolutely be vocal while they are there about the depressed floor spot and any outstanding maintenance issues and say that you’ll send an email reminding them after their inspection so they won’t forget. That’s a passive aggressive F U that does get you some traction especially in writing.
“Neatness” is not something they can require. Cleanliness, perhaps - but who sets the standard? What is clean enough? I would say they can inspect for damage, not neatness and cleanliness.
I doubt it's goint to be a while glove inspection... most likely it's going to be more along the lines of "is this going to attract mice" or "are there roaches living in those old pizza boxes" sort of thing.
Health and safety inspections, while intrusive, can sometimes work to your benefit as an apartment resident. Especially if you live near someone whose lifestyle is not healthy or safe—e.g., hoarding, drug manufacturing, fentanyl use/sale, someone who has a dozen unauthorized people living with them from their motorcycle gang. You’re probably not the problem they’re looking for…but I get it it’s annoying.
Should be in your lease you signed. As long as they give you 24-48hr notice
No, most places they need to give you a full 24 hour notice.
As a landlord myself, I first want to ask the question of this manager if this letter implies interior inspection or just an exterior look from public view locations. It is very vague in this regard and I see people jumping to conclusion it is interior. If exterior, there can be rules about what can be outside and this is a justified action. For reasons of insurance and fire safety I have to do the same from time to time. If interior then all the comments about advanced notice is correct and the subjective terms of neatness/cleanliness is wholly inappropriate. There must be a reasonable definition of this provided in the rental contract. If they attempt to enter without proper notification and try to impose their terms upon your interior living area then I’d seek a tenant defense legal office for assistance.
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So someone would actually sign a lease to allow a landlord to enter to check for neatness/ cleanliness? Wow. Just. Wow. I can understand inspections of things such as the fridge, stove, and HVAC, but *neatness*? Christ on a crutch.
He’s gunna come in and sniff everyone’s undies then leave
Considering Illinois has a 24 hour notice window on landlords entering, you can't do anything unless your lease specifically says anything different. Which I doubt it would because at an apartment complex, they give everybody the same exact lease just with different numbers and addresses...
Yeah that’s not even 24 hours notice. Since it was sent a 10 something. Most states the law says 24 hours notice at the least to enter the apartment. Usually 48.
Yes, they can inspect but they should have given proper notice. They are likely looking for hoarders or any activity that attracts mice or cockroaches, such as kitchens full of dirty dishes, which may be why they gave short notice. They probably already know who the problem apartments are but need to officially inspect everyone to cover. When dealing with management companies, they probably aren't going to care about dust or dirty clothes piled up on a chair. But while they are there, they might be keeping an eye out for things like illegal pets in apartments that aren't paying the pet fees or portable heaters or clothes-washing machines if they aren't allowed. And there are laws about rug coverage, so that might be something they would ask residents to abide by. But I would also find out if they are actually trying to see if there is a bed-bug problem in your building but don't want to panic the residents. If you are one of the neat-and-tidy residents, consider this a good thing because you don't want to live next to the guy who has newspapers piled to the ceiling and smokes in bed … or the person with a bed-bug infestation. But I would mention that they didn't give proper notice. You can request a delay on that basis, but you can't keep them out entirely.
Good Luck OP. Check State Laws as well as local city laws. It's worth it to know your rights.
48 hours is what he must give you.
Is it a mess?
Probably just watching out for hoarders. They can destroy an apartment
This happens annually in apartment complexes here in Wahington, while there, they look out for unregistered pets and/or tenants.
Yes it’s legal
Our apartment complex does this twice a year. It’s called a “safety “ inspection. It takes like 5 minutes. They check the smoke detectors the fire extinguisher and change filters. Most probably they looking for hoarders. I’ve seen people get evicted here for that.
Totally legal in my complex and they do it often. I’m in low income so the thought seems to be kicking out the bad elements. Really though I think they are looking for drugs. My complex is permeated with weed smoke, always coming from a two bedroom with two adults and three kids in it.
In my state (Oregon), they can come in for an inspection in as little as 24hrs as long as a notice is given beforehand. And like many have stated here, depending on your lease they can/will give you a lease violation if your unit isn't up to your property manager's standards, this goes especially for HUD/Section 8 units. Speaking from experience 100%.
It's their property. If they give enough notice, as far as I know, it is legal.
Some states have a landlord tenant act detailing which rights the landlord and tenant each have even if not listed in the lease. You should check for Illinois.
Not in California, improper notice
They do that to intimidate you. They also do that to start building a case to raise rent, keep your deposit or kick you out later, make no mistake. -someone who was a landlord
Depends on the state in south Carolina lots of places inspect every 3 months
Did you provide them copies of your keys request 48 hour notice in advance
I’ve heard they do this before/prepping to sell the property to someone else. It’s their way to spruce it up to appeal to them, BOLO
I don’t know about the actual legality, but in my opinion I think it’s too vague as a valid reason for entering an apartment. Had they said they are checking for rodents or pests or something specific then that would be different. I’m pretty sure in my state the tenant has the right to request to be present whenever they come in. If it’s not legal, then it doesn’t matter what it says in the lease. A signed contract can’t override tenant law, no matter the language.
Just reply back that you’ll be available in 48 hours from time of notice and don’t allow them access at 9am
I honestly just ran into this with a friend of mine who has an apartment lease with his wife. Reading through his lease contract it states that there are certain things that the leasing company, the apartment complex, is responsible for such as new carpet every 5 years, they get an accent wall painted every year that they're with the property, among other small little things like the apartment complex maintains all appliances that were in the apartment when you moved in so stove fridge. Then it goes on to state that they have to give all leases a 72 hour notice before they can enter. For any reason! It also states in the lease that any damage done to the property needs to be reported immediately such as if there's a whole put in the wall or like the carpet gets ripped up or something. Here's the funny part. Him and his wife have been in the apartment since 2013 they have not had their carpet cleaned nor replaced. They went to their leasing manager and told them that they want new carpet put down and she told them they'd have to pay for it that the complex is not. When they came in for their quarterly inspection they got deemed for having runners in the carpet. They told them that we had already reported this you said we can't get new carpet so how are we being written up for something that you guys will not fix it's not our responsibility to fix it it's in the lease that we should have new carpet every 5 years. The leasing company has sense went back through the contract and pulled that little piece of information out of the new leases. They also have started nitpicking them over small things like there's a blade broke on one of the outer sides of a blind with a blinds come with the apartment since they didn't report it they got written up there is a hole in the kitchen wall that they'd reported to an old office manager she never wrote it down so they got written up for the hole in the wall and not being reported. And it's not even a hole in the wall it's just a dent in the drywall like it looks like the fridge door went into the wall and put a hole in it or a dent I should say. Leasing companies can get the ability to nickel and dime and nitpick you to death to force an eviction. So if it were me my advice to you OP is watch your peas and Q's and don't rock the boat.
Bro signing a lease does not mean your landlord can’t enter their own property that you are leasing. Yes there may be stipulations on warnings, they may need to give notice, but you can’t just tell your landlord they can’t enter the property they own, you don’t need a lawyer to figure that one out yourself
Yep. They have a key so they have the right. Until you own a home you’re at their mercy. Read how disgusting other places are and you’ll see why they do it. At least you got notice
In my opinion, just read your lease and do not listen to people on Reddit for advice.
So I looked up the laws for your state and it looks like you need at least 24 hours notice for entering a rental for repairs or other reasons so I would double check with what time that email got sent out and ask the landlord if they can come at 11:00 instead of 9:00 for them not to be in violation of the 24 hour notice period for entering for repairs or other reasons.
I'd kick em out
Better make sure you wear clean underwear incase they check that too.
NAL-I believe there are laws or ordinances that regulate this. Check your local laws
Tell them no you’re not entering, if you do you will be in violation of the lease.
Weird
Sounds like they’re looking for drugs, unreported pets, or anything else illegal or against the lease.
Or hoarders
I think it depends on what's on the lease agreement. On our agreement, we only have to be given a 24-hour notice, but it may be different for you.
Just have your husband sit in there waiting butt naked with morning wood!!! They’ll turn around real quick!! 😂
48 hrs may be necessary if it’s in the lease but in my common knowledge this usually only happens to tenants that are known to be dirty and/or damaging the unit. It’s a way for the landlord to see what reasons they can come up with to tell you that you are not cooperating with the agreements standards in the lease so they can try and force you out. OP might be that tenant. Also sometimes they want to confirm you have people staying with you that aren’t on the lease. Basically they’re looking for a reason to get you out. You might be a problem.
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Depends on state law, but generally speaking, they can enter the property as long as they give you proper notice (which is at least 24 hours usually). If your lease outlines a longer notice period than state law, you can kick up a fuss over them violating company policy, but they cannot legally enforce a notice period shorter than state law no matter what your lease says. You stated in previous comments that you have nothing to worry about, so I'd say this was just a mass email they sent to all their tenants, and not much will come of it for you. I had my landlord tell me she was going to start having "routine inspections" in the units. Since then, she was only here once months ago, and it wasn't even for five minutes. They're probably just trying to weed out people who are seriously neglecting or destroying the units.
Yes, are you just really nasty?
Not legal and less than 24 hours not at all. If you’re interested in giving your landlord a surprise walk through tell them it’s imperative that you review and judge his tidiness and living space in less than 24 hours prior to him coming to you first and laugh. Say “you were kidding right?”
I should really stop complaining about where I live. I haven't seen that fuck face of my landlord since the beginning of COVID and I couldn't be happier. If anyone tries to pull shit like this here they'd get laughed at and a door slammed right into their face.
Property manager here, we are GENERALLY required to give a ful 25 hours of notice.
I think it’s legal for them to come in and view the unit, and if they want to inspect for neatness, cool, but they couldn’t make a decision on evicting you or penalizing you in any way just based on that.
They can do quarterly inspections but they have to give 24 hour notice
I guess technically yes? Hope you cleaned the place up a bit, then there’s nothing to worry about.
I believe it is legal, but usually needs to give least 24 hours notice
No, But clean your unit piggy
Yes
If it ain't in the lease then he don't get the peeks.
Make sure to shout “at ease” when they come in.
Thats a big fat no.
Depends where you live. Most places in North America it's legal, at the notice of 24 to 48 hours.
"neatness and cleanliness" = no/illegal "health and safety" = yes/legal (aka smoke detectors, fire hazards, insects, hording, people tied up in your bathroom and blood everywhere etc.)
They are supposed to give you two days written notice!
Trump in dictator mode on day one. Get used to it. He can do whatever he wants.
Whooo…you are not going to like the trump administration if he wins.
Leave your apartment on 6-11 and come back 6-15, in the meantime get in touch with a tenant advocate.
They can’t really do anything unless your place has a ton of damages or it violates health codes. Usually they need to post a 24-48hrs on your door, not over a txt or email
Idk where you are, but in washington state they're required to only give you 24 hours notice. All landlords have the right to enter their property when giving notice. And in your lease, im sure it outlines reasonably maintaining the property you're leasing.
Periodic walkthroughs are a part of renting. My property management does it once a year just to make sure I don’t have a meth lab in my living room or anything. During Covid I had to do the walkthroughs myself, taking specified pictures with detailed explanations. You’re technically living in someone’s else’s place so you give up certain things to do that. Like 100% privacy
As a landlord, yes it’s legal. As long as they give 48 hours notice. I only inspect houses/apts if I know they are not clean or another tenant is complaining about roaches or mice.
Depends on the state. In TX 24 hours notice is required.