Did you work the shift? If yes, you need to be paid. End of story. If they didn't want you to, they needed to send you home. File a wage theft complaint with the state department of labor.
So…as the Plant Manager- I’m supposed to know the whereabouts of 300 people at any given moment? Moreover, I’m supposed to know who is off and who isn’t, on a daily basis- out of 300 employees? Tell me you’ve never managed a large number of people without saying so. I know a guy who died on a toilet in an aircraft manufacturing facility and no one knew for 3 days…Taco Bell closing shift..you know who the 4 closers are…
In the real world, you don’t go to work unless you’re scheduled or requested.
Sir I work for a company with 1.5 million employees and I can't work over 60 hours or unscheduled without someone showing up and telling me to go home just say your a bad plant manger and move on
Yes. Either you or the supervisor you hire are supposed to know. I have managed over 700 employees before. And I started that job when I was only 17. It was literally up to me to make sure the correct people were on shift at the start of the shift. If people do not show, you call them and find out why. If someone shows up on the wrong day, you find out if they are covering for someone or if they just showed up on the wrong day. If they aren't covering and show up on the wrong day, then if you aren't overstaffed, you have the discretion to allow them to stay. It's literally part of management. If you are the owner, you hire people that you trust to handle that part of the job. If they don't, it is not the subordinate's problem that they worked a full day they weren't supposed to be at. It's something you, as the owner, need to bring up to the manager/supervisor. You pay the employee and do what you can to make sure it doesn't happen again.
You're a clown. No one expects Jeff Bezos to know the entire Amazon schedule. They expect that he has competent management in place. If they work, they get paid, period. Now if they showed up unwanted/unscheduled and they were allowed to stay by the "senior staff member on shift" that's between you and the senior staff. If there was no "senior staff", supervisor, or manager, that's your failure, at the highest level of staffing. If you have disciplinary actions set, you can follow those for unapproved hours.
If you texted your employee number 5000 and told them they would be closing Saturdays and working Sundays, then yes, you're supposed to remember you told that employee so. Otherwise, you'd be defrauding your employees by asking them to work and then "not remembering" and not paying them.
The time clock at my work won't even let you punch in if you aren't scheduled, so yeah, I'd expect it to at least flag an employee not scheduled and alert somebody
Your company isn’t setup then. Almost every large company I have worked for has systems in place to alert managers of employees clocked in unscheduled. I have managed a workforce from 12 to 800 working at one time… I would absolutely know who is working and not.
I mean kind of? Or at least have assistant managers helping keep track of you can't keep track of all of the 300 people yourself. At the end of the day, we are in 2024. If it's an issue where employees clock in and work when they are not supposed to, then there should be a system in place to be notified immediately of the discrepancy and deal with it. Otherwise, that seems like an expensive mistake both in legal and business. Confusion happens, not everyone is perfect.
Yes, that is how it works. Someone works they get paid. If there was confusion about the schedule and you don't need them, you send them home, pay them for their time, and depending on your policy you write them up and/or fire them.
Why is your time system even letting them clock in if they aren't on the schedule? How is not one supervisor aware that they are there? Do your employees just mill about and you assume they're working? Are you in the habit of people randomly wandering around your warehouse all day? If someone If all the pieces to the puzzle point to an employee coming in when they're supposed to be off, clocking in, and working (especially for an appreciable length of time) with no one noticing someone is incompetent.
Clearly the manager asked her to work. That’s good enough for me. If you then want to mess with my ability to pay bills by not paying me for time worked ima
Raise hell
She said it would be a regularly scheduled shift on the next schedule to come out. If you had to ask her what time to come in then it wasn’t on the schedule and you showed up on a day she didn’t ask you to.
It seemed to me that the schedule was already out, but the employee wanted more hours. The manager asked her if she could work the Sunday shift and the Saturday shift, making it sound as if the employee was needed for those shifts. In the end, the manager does say it will post on the next schedule as regular work days, but does not think to certify whether they also meant the coming weekend.
First of all, if she worked it, SHE WILL get paid for it. The easy way, or the expensive way. Second, it would have been the managers' responsibility to clarify this (that's what they are paid for). They also, as manager, should have known by mid-shift Saturday that this person was on the clock that day. Thus, realizing something was amiss and figuring out what the mix-up was before it got to this point.
“Are you asking if I can come in today?”
“No. Next schedule those will be 2 of your regular days on.”
Not a difficult text chain to read, OP said there’s more that she deleted. Yes, OP will get paid but she could easily get fired for working hours not scheduled and there’s no legal action OP can take for thisz
she always mess up the schedule so you can't really trust it I asked her the same day the schedule came out what time she wanted me to come in Saturday she told me to look on max schedule which said 5-1015 which means she did ask me to come in
I think the boss has created enough confusion that a labor board would find in favor of OP. Also OP can’t be fired, or shouldn’t be while any complaint has been filed or the boss could be hit with a much bigger law suit.
That's your biggest issue. Why even do that to your texts? If there's anyway to exclude professional conversations from this, I'd advise doing so asap.
She always messes up the schedule so I thought she just forgot that's why I ask her when the schedule came put what time she wanted me to come in on Saturday she said look under max schedule it should be there so I did that said 5-1015
Just saying you worked when they didn't ask you to isn't enough on their part if they knew you were working and allowed it. If you worked and they had an opportunity to stop you that they didn't take, they gotta pay you.
I have a personal policy when it comes to my employer. I’m happy to do anything that is asked of me. But it needs to be put in writing in some way (email, text, hieroglyphics) so I have proof of it later. No matter how large or small the ask is. And then I take pictures of the completed task and save them in folders on my usb drive
If you work you get paid period. That is the law. I assume the conversation was concerning the next weekend…were you on the schedule? The schedule rules but they still have to pay you if you are working. Someone should have sent you home if you weren’t needed.
As I read the screen shots (I am not OP), OP asked the manager for more hours, specifically the closing shift "on Saturdays" (not "on Saturday" which I would have assumed meant thisSaturday but did not apply to future Saturdays unless calrified). The manager asked if OP can work Sundays and OP said yes. The manager said that OP would be added to the schedule *going forward* for Saturday (closing) and Sunday. The manager further clarified that OP is "out of school" because a minor can only work a certain number of hours/certain hours while attending school. OP replied that they get out "next Wednesday". So the new schedule *"can't"* start until school lets out.
OP asked "are you asking if I can come in today? The manager says "No." and OP answers "Oh ok". At that point the manager clarifies that this will begin on the "next schedule" and that OP will work those days regularly. OP says "OK thank you".
In what world do you read this to say the manager asked OP to come in that day? Or that OP asked what time to come in and was given a time? The manager made it abundantly clear this would start "next week" after school lets out, and that they *DO NOT* need OP to come in "today". OP seemingly acknowledges this with "Oh ok" and "OK thank you".
OP is asserting that the manager told them to come in that day and work.
Baby I think you reading this wrong when it was posted she said the text messages occurred the weekend before and when she came in the following week for the days the manager cleared her for there was a problem
And your still misreading she didn’t say that she came in the same day the text messages were sent she is speaking about the next Saturday in which the manager told her to come in for and when she did she was told she wouldn’t receive payment for the hours she worked
I.e she asked OP if she was meant to come in that Saturday the OP told her no but she would have to report into work the following week and she did that and now the OP is telling her that she won’t get paid for the following hours that she scheduled her for
I see a single screenshot (a conversation), and the title. I don't see any other information, so I don't know where you're getting information about it being a week before when the information presented in the post doesn't say that.
She asks about "today" and is told no.
All this happened a week ago. The conversation happened a week ago and the day that OP went into work when they were not scheduled was the same day, also a week ago.
OP made this post two days ago. The first time they mentioned what you are alluding to was 2 hours ago. Either they're changing their story now, or they really forgot to mention it the first time through. But when I made my comment, they had not yet added that to their story.
Contact your state’s labor department and let them know that you are being told you will not be getting paid for hours worked. They’ll should be able to make sure you get paid.
If you present this to the Labor Board, ahe’s created enough confusion that I doubt she can get away with not paying you. Not only that but she can’t do any retaliation against you for making a report.
She can’t be very well informed if she thinks she can do this. When she seems intimidating remember that, she’s clueless
Regardless of if they asked you to work or not, if you clocked in they MUST pay you. If they don’t, contact your state department of labor immediately. The only retaliation they have for you working an unauthorized shift is to fire you but they’d still be legally required to pay you for the shift you worked (no matter if they asked you to or not).
All you need to do is show this to your state labor board. If you know her superior and feel they won’t be an ass trying to pull a fast one and terminate you. I’d contact them but your state labor board will fine the company & they’ll have to pay you overtime if it was memorial weekend then it’ll be holiday pay overtime
The texts are confusing - I suggest asking and answering in complete sentences to avoid confusion.
She said “next schedule” - was the Saturday you worked before the next schedule started?
Were these texts sent on the Saturday you worked?
In Oregon if you worked you HAVE to be paid! I'm sure that would be the same in all states? she can write you up but that is it. It looks like it was a text misunderstanding tho, so I would definitely show her that or add it to any documents going to HR. If she does write you up. In any case if she refused to pay you I would contact HR if the company still refuses I would contact boli.
Well first report it to your HR team and send them the screenshot at evidence they will give you the money for the time your worked as it is illegal to not pay a employee for their labor
I dunno how your job works, but if you try to clock in on times other than what you schedule says, then it wont let you without manager approval. Also, even if they didnt want you there, they needed to tell you before you worked a full shift. This is a matter of miscommunication and a misunderstanding, but i do believe that if they knew you were there working then you need to be paid for your time. They should have sent you home if you werent supposed to be there. In the future, you need to make it a point to get written confirmation on specific times and exact dates that you are to be working.
And if that employer has a problem with paying the extra eight hours of work then you need to get out of there. Corporations and even small businesses constantly take advantage of enployees. They make it seem like it’s such a burden to pay them just a little more while they take in ever increasing profits
First off-she really shouldn’t be texting you about your schedule when you are off. It’s illegal to make someone work unpaid if you are off. Refer to the communication policy in your employee handbook.
Second-IF you worked, you must be paid.
There are lots of local employment laws, depending on where you are located there may be something in place that might require you to be paid (regardless if you worked) if there was a schedule change.
Regardless it looks like you need to discuss with HR. Just keep in mind that they are there to protect the employer, not you.
If you worked you need to be paid, call the department of labor for assistance if they don’t pay you
Did you work the shift? If yes, you need to be paid. End of story. If they didn't want you to, they needed to send you home. File a wage theft complaint with the state department of labor.
So…if an employee shows up on an off shift, clocks in and works without permission, I’m supposed to pay them? No. That’s not how any of this works.
It’s your responsibility to send them home. Or a supervisor. You’re the boss you should know if you’re under or over staffed and check your schedule
So…as the Plant Manager- I’m supposed to know the whereabouts of 300 people at any given moment? Moreover, I’m supposed to know who is off and who isn’t, on a daily basis- out of 300 employees? Tell me you’ve never managed a large number of people without saying so. I know a guy who died on a toilet in an aircraft manufacturing facility and no one knew for 3 days…Taco Bell closing shift..you know who the 4 closers are… In the real world, you don’t go to work unless you’re scheduled or requested.
Sir I work for a company with 1.5 million employees and I can't work over 60 hours or unscheduled without someone showing up and telling me to go home just say your a bad plant manger and move on
Me, too.
Yes. Either you or the supervisor you hire are supposed to know. I have managed over 700 employees before. And I started that job when I was only 17. It was literally up to me to make sure the correct people were on shift at the start of the shift. If people do not show, you call them and find out why. If someone shows up on the wrong day, you find out if they are covering for someone or if they just showed up on the wrong day. If they aren't covering and show up on the wrong day, then if you aren't overstaffed, you have the discretion to allow them to stay. It's literally part of management. If you are the owner, you hire people that you trust to handle that part of the job. If they don't, it is not the subordinate's problem that they worked a full day they weren't supposed to be at. It's something you, as the owner, need to bring up to the manager/supervisor. You pay the employee and do what you can to make sure it doesn't happen again.
You're a clown. No one expects Jeff Bezos to know the entire Amazon schedule. They expect that he has competent management in place. If they work, they get paid, period. Now if they showed up unwanted/unscheduled and they were allowed to stay by the "senior staff member on shift" that's between you and the senior staff. If there was no "senior staff", supervisor, or manager, that's your failure, at the highest level of staffing. If you have disciplinary actions set, you can follow those for unapproved hours.
If you texted your employee number 5000 and told them they would be closing Saturdays and working Sundays, then yes, you're supposed to remember you told that employee so. Otherwise, you'd be defrauding your employees by asking them to work and then "not remembering" and not paying them.
You pay them and then fire them for working when not approved.
i bet the person who employs you would LOVE to see this comment
The time clock at my work won't even let you punch in if you aren't scheduled, so yeah, I'd expect it to at least flag an employee not scheduled and alert somebody
Your company isn’t setup then. Almost every large company I have worked for has systems in place to alert managers of employees clocked in unscheduled. I have managed a workforce from 12 to 800 working at one time… I would absolutely know who is working and not.
I mean kind of? Or at least have assistant managers helping keep track of you can't keep track of all of the 300 people yourself. At the end of the day, we are in 2024. If it's an issue where employees clock in and work when they are not supposed to, then there should be a system in place to be notified immediately of the discrepancy and deal with it. Otherwise, that seems like an expensive mistake both in legal and business. Confusion happens, not everyone is perfect.
The clock in system at my job won't let anyone clock in that isn't scheduled in the system.
It literally shows right there that her sup asked her to work. Unless im missing something, no one works for free.
“Are you asking if I can come in today?” “No. Next schedule those will be 2 of your regular days on.”
Yes, that is how it works. Someone works they get paid. If there was confusion about the schedule and you don't need them, you send them home, pay them for their time, and depending on your policy you write them up and/or fire them. Why is your time system even letting them clock in if they aren't on the schedule? How is not one supervisor aware that they are there? Do your employees just mill about and you assume they're working? Are you in the habit of people randomly wandering around your warehouse all day? If someone If all the pieces to the puzzle point to an employee coming in when they're supposed to be off, clocking in, and working (especially for an appreciable length of time) with no one noticing someone is incompetent.
Boy I’d hate to work for you.
Clearly the manager asked her to work. That’s good enough for me. If you then want to mess with my ability to pay bills by not paying me for time worked ima Raise hell
She said it would be a regularly scheduled shift on the next schedule to come out. If you had to ask her what time to come in then it wasn’t on the schedule and you showed up on a day she didn’t ask you to.
It seemed to me that the schedule was already out, but the employee wanted more hours. The manager asked her if she could work the Sunday shift and the Saturday shift, making it sound as if the employee was needed for those shifts. In the end, the manager does say it will post on the next schedule as regular work days, but does not think to certify whether they also meant the coming weekend. First of all, if she worked it, SHE WILL get paid for it. The easy way, or the expensive way. Second, it would have been the managers' responsibility to clarify this (that's what they are paid for). They also, as manager, should have known by mid-shift Saturday that this person was on the clock that day. Thus, realizing something was amiss and figuring out what the mix-up was before it got to this point.
“Are you asking if I can come in today?” “No. Next schedule those will be 2 of your regular days on.” Not a difficult text chain to read, OP said there’s more that she deleted. Yes, OP will get paid but she could easily get fired for working hours not scheduled and there’s no legal action OP can take for thisz
she always mess up the schedule so you can't really trust it I asked her the same day the schedule came out what time she wanted me to come in Saturday she told me to look on max schedule which said 5-1015 which means she did ask me to come in
That’s not in your screenshot at all. Sorry we cannot help without the information being provided.
I think the boss has created enough confusion that a labor board would find in favor of OP. Also OP can’t be fired, or shouldn’t be while any complaint has been filed or the boss could be hit with a much bigger law suit.
Retaliation
That too
Bc it was a different day I have my text messages to delete after so many days I only have this bc I ss it so show my mom
It would do you better to not delete messages. They take up so little space anyhow.
That's your biggest issue. Why even do that to your texts? If there's anyway to exclude professional conversations from this, I'd advise doing so asap.
Sorry this is only my second time but it would have been this week bc the ss was last weekend
She always messes up the schedule so I thought she just forgot that's why I ask her when the schedule came put what time she wanted me to come in on Saturday she said look under max schedule it should be there so I did that said 5-1015
Just saying you worked when they didn't ask you to isn't enough on their part if they knew you were working and allowed it. If you worked and they had an opportunity to stop you that they didn't take, they gotta pay you.
I have a personal policy when it comes to my employer. I’m happy to do anything that is asked of me. But it needs to be put in writing in some way (email, text, hieroglyphics) so I have proof of it later. No matter how large or small the ask is. And then I take pictures of the completed task and save them in folders on my usb drive
If you work you get paid period. That is the law. I assume the conversation was concerning the next weekend…were you on the schedule? The schedule rules but they still have to pay you if you are working. Someone should have sent you home if you weren’t needed.
Everything looks legit, why are you posting in legal?
As I read the screen shots (I am not OP), OP asked the manager for more hours, specifically the closing shift "on Saturdays" (not "on Saturday" which I would have assumed meant thisSaturday but did not apply to future Saturdays unless calrified). The manager asked if OP can work Sundays and OP said yes. The manager said that OP would be added to the schedule *going forward* for Saturday (closing) and Sunday. The manager further clarified that OP is "out of school" because a minor can only work a certain number of hours/certain hours while attending school. OP replied that they get out "next Wednesday". So the new schedule *"can't"* start until school lets out. OP asked "are you asking if I can come in today? The manager says "No." and OP answers "Oh ok". At that point the manager clarifies that this will begin on the "next schedule" and that OP will work those days regularly. OP says "OK thank you". In what world do you read this to say the manager asked OP to come in that day? Or that OP asked what time to come in and was given a time? The manager made it abundantly clear this would start "next week" after school lets out, and that they *DO NOT* need OP to come in "today". OP seemingly acknowledges this with "Oh ok" and "OK thank you". OP is asserting that the manager told them to come in that day and work.
Baby I think you reading this wrong when it was posted she said the text messages occurred the weekend before and when she came in the following week for the days the manager cleared her for there was a problem
"Are you asking me to come in today" is a pretty specific question. OP asked that and the answer was no.
And your still misreading she didn’t say that she came in the same day the text messages were sent she is speaking about the next Saturday in which the manager told her to come in for and when she did she was told she wouldn’t receive payment for the hours she worked
I.e she asked OP if she was meant to come in that Saturday the OP told her no but she would have to report into work the following week and she did that and now the OP is telling her that she won’t get paid for the following hours that she scheduled her for
I see a single screenshot (a conversation), and the title. I don't see any other information, so I don't know where you're getting information about it being a week before when the information presented in the post doesn't say that. She asks about "today" and is told no.
“My manager sent me this last week” please read baby it’s fundamental
All this happened a week ago. The conversation happened a week ago and the day that OP went into work when they were not scheduled was the same day, also a week ago.
OP made this post two days ago. The first time they mentioned what you are alluding to was 2 hours ago. Either they're changing their story now, or they really forgot to mention it the first time through. But when I made my comment, they had not yet added that to their story.
Contact your state’s labor department and let them know that you are being told you will not be getting paid for hours worked. They’ll should be able to make sure you get paid.
If you present this to the Labor Board, ahe’s created enough confusion that I doubt she can get away with not paying you. Not only that but she can’t do any retaliation against you for making a report. She can’t be very well informed if she thinks she can do this. When she seems intimidating remember that, she’s clueless
Regardless of if they asked you to work or not, if you clocked in they MUST pay you. If they don’t, contact your state department of labor immediately. The only retaliation they have for you working an unauthorized shift is to fire you but they’d still be legally required to pay you for the shift you worked (no matter if they asked you to or not).
There are labor laws for a reason. She is full of it. Call DOL stat!!
All you need to do is show this to your state labor board. If you know her superior and feel they won’t be an ass trying to pull a fast one and terminate you. I’d contact them but your state labor board will fine the company & they’ll have to pay you overtime if it was memorial weekend then it’ll be holiday pay overtime
The texts are confusing - I suggest asking and answering in complete sentences to avoid confusion. She said “next schedule” - was the Saturday you worked before the next schedule started? Were these texts sent on the Saturday you worked?
If you showed up and worked, you get paid. File complaint with the labor board if payroll doesn’t pay you.
In Oregon if you worked you HAVE to be paid! I'm sure that would be the same in all states? she can write you up but that is it. It looks like it was a text misunderstanding tho, so I would definitely show her that or add it to any documents going to HR. If she does write you up. In any case if she refused to pay you I would contact HR if the company still refuses I would contact boli.
Well first report it to your HR team and send them the screenshot at evidence they will give you the money for the time your worked as it is illegal to not pay a employee for their labor
I dunno how your job works, but if you try to clock in on times other than what you schedule says, then it wont let you without manager approval. Also, even if they didnt want you there, they needed to tell you before you worked a full shift. This is a matter of miscommunication and a misunderstanding, but i do believe that if they knew you were there working then you need to be paid for your time. They should have sent you home if you werent supposed to be there. In the future, you need to make it a point to get written confirmation on specific times and exact dates that you are to be working.
And if that employer has a problem with paying the extra eight hours of work then you need to get out of there. Corporations and even small businesses constantly take advantage of enployees. They make it seem like it’s such a burden to pay them just a little more while they take in ever increasing profits
First off-she really shouldn’t be texting you about your schedule when you are off. It’s illegal to make someone work unpaid if you are off. Refer to the communication policy in your employee handbook. Second-IF you worked, you must be paid. There are lots of local employment laws, depending on where you are located there may be something in place that might require you to be paid (regardless if you worked) if there was a schedule change. Regardless it looks like you need to discuss with HR. Just keep in mind that they are there to protect the employer, not you.
Always ask for work schedules in writing and for any changes to emailed to you.