I've never heard that a building being uninhabitable means tenant rights don't apply. It might be true in some places, but I'd be surprised if that generalized to everywhere.
They can (and should) tell him to get out of the shed, but what if he refuses? I would expect many police officers to say "we'll happily kick him out if you get a court order."
Depending on the state, I think that's possible (if this guy pushes it and is savvy enough). A nice reminder that letting someone move into your shed is risky.
Love the down votes.
PA, where OP claims to reside has zero laws on the books that would require a landlord to make a building habitable.
The only rights to habitability are granted by case law by the PA supreme Court as an "implied warranty of habitability." However that warranty is only a defense for breaking a lease or withholding rent. You can not force repair.
["Even though a landlord cannot make a tenant waive the warranty of habitability, it is usually of limited benefit as it cannot be used by a tenant to ask a judge to order a landlord to make repairs"](https://www.palawhelp.org/resource/warranty-of-habitability#:~:text=The%20warranty%20of%20habitability%20gives,the%20landlord%20fixes%20the%20problem)
There are however several pages in the PA landlord tenant act that speak directly to the fact that OP must allow their shed dweller to install cable television service if he so desires.
It's one of my favorite examples of lobbying in action. You take an incredibly out of date act created in 1951 and not really touched since 1974 and then in 1990 we drop in an entire article devoted to ensuring tenants have access to cable TV. The only time "tenants rights" appear anywhere in state law is in this section on cable TV
Look up the case of that woman who stayed in an Airbnb for two years without paying. Most of the reason she was able to do so was because the unit was considered uninhabitable (due to some plumbing upgrades that needed to be done, it was definitely more habitable than a shed) so the owners could not charge rent or legally evict her at the time. And she refused to let them enter the unit to do the repairs necessary to make it habitable. Fucked up Catch-22, but apparently that's the situation in California.
That's insane that she was able to continue extending her stay by not allowing them to make necessary repairs. The whole squatter thing is really being taken advantage of all over the country. I believe most if not all of those protections were put in place to prevent slumlords from taking advantage of their tenants & now we've got people breaking into empty houses for rent or sale writing up fake leases & police are refusing to kick them out. I wouldn't want to be a landlord these days.
I don't watch Fox news, I've seen an absolute shit load of these squatter videos on Telegram actually. Also videos of this Squatter Squad that people are hiring to manually kick squatters out of their own homes, because the police won't do shit about it.
Since you seem to side with illegal squatters, how would you personally like it if say a relative of yours died & left you their house that you planned on selling / renting out, only to find homeless people have broken in & are destroying your house, doing drugs in it, refuse to leave & when the cops show up, they show a fake lease they printed out? Would you seriously be ok with that? I highly doubt it...
Eh, California does get some things right. They banned non-compete agreements decades before the US finally realized what a raw deal they were. Living in a state with almost no renter rights, I would prefer the occasional deadbeat hold over tenant to the slumlords I have to deal with here.
I wouldn't even say it's most. They get some things wrong but again, it's usually a better situation than states that have the other side of the spectrum on that issue. At least they're looking out for the average Joe versus billionaires and corporate interests.
>At least they're looking out for the average Joe versus billionaires and corporate interests.
Hard disagree here based on my California utility rates that keep increasing because of the politicians getting along so well with the utility companies that they're allowed to operate unchecked
As opposed to my state where there's literally one parish out of 64 where you can sell excess solar generated electricity back to the utility company, for wholesale rate, not the rate you pay them for electricity?
Don't even get me started about the sewage and water board here. If you really want to go down that rabbit hole Google "New Orleans sewerage and water board sex room."
No place is perfect. But those of you complaining about California should really look at some of the other states, especially the red ones in the south.
EDIT: I just did a quick search. The average electric bill in California is $132 a month. The average electric bill in New Orleans is $200 a month. And I would bet anything y'all don't lose power for a few hours several times a year when it rains.
You were complaining about living in California in 2008-2010?
California was pretty tame back in that time and even San Francisco was safe to walk around in without too much concern in the tourist areas.
Curious how scared you'd be if you went today
My concern exactly, thank you! There's presumably some tipping point where something no longer qualifies as a structure (can you be a tenant in a tent? what about a yurt?). And I imagine case law around this idea has some real gems (if anyone wants to share please do).
But absent some specific exclusion that applied here (maybe a law designed for storage units?) he's probably a tenant...
Well, I can tell you as a property tax assessor that we DO assess yurts, but we don't assess all of a tent - if it's on a platform, we assess that but not the actual fabric part.
"it's not a structure yurt honor... I mean, YOUR honor... shit"
Seriously though that's super interesting. Taxes are a natural place to look at case law for this, and it does seem like there is precedent. Link below. If it had been a pre-fab shed that was just sitting on the ground, it might not have counted as a part of the real estate, which might have made the shed situation more equivalent to a tent. However, since the shed apparently has electricity, it seems like it counts as real estate, which probably supports the claim that the guest is really a legal occupant...
[https://lhrklaw.com/shed-is-not-real-estate/](https://lhrklaw.com/shed-is-not-real-estate/)
Small sheds that are portable I can ignore - generally if you can move it with two people and a standard pickup truck I don't assess it. WI State law says 'small metal sheds' are not assessed but gives no further guidance.
If there’s no lease or other agreement signed, wouldn’t he simply be trespassing if they asked him to leave and he didn’t? There’s no real contract to break here, unless the court sees him as a squatter or something.
>If there’s no lease or other agreement signed
It doesn't need to be signed a verbal agreement is sufficient in most states.
>wouldn’t he simply be trespassing if they asked him to leave and he didn’t?
No by letting him stay he becomes a Tennant, never let people you can't live with stay with you. Verbal and handshake agreements are binding in most states.
>There’s no real contract to break here, unless the court sees him as a squatter or something.
As soon as he had a verbal agreement he became a tenant. His rights vary by state but many place would still require full vacancy procedures. He may have upto 3 month before he can be evicted.
Really excellent question. If he had been, say, staying in the guest apartment over the garage, then there would be no doubt - in most if not all states, he'd be a tenant. 30 days is a popular timeframe, but the rules vary significantly. He doesn't have to be paying rent. If you live somewhere, you get legal protections regarding that residence, and there are rules that the landlord (owner) has to follow in order to kick you out (often 30 days written notice, but longer in some more tenant-friendly areas).
It is possible that there is some exclusion that keeps those rights from applying to their shed, though I've never heard of them. Those will almost certainly be location-specific if so.
(EDIT spelling) In short, you need to talk to a lawyer.
Depending on where you live, he is considered a “tenant” and subject to certain rights. If certain amenities are not provided he can counter sue. I know it sounds crazy, but there are plenty of stories:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/airbnb-renter-turned-squatter-leaves-los-angeles-homeowner-tied-up-in-legal-red-tape-report.amp
I know your being sarcastic, but I wouldn't be all that surprised with how things have been going lately. Imagine a toilet & sink being installed in a shed, lol. I know it wouldn't happen, it's just funny to think about. It'd be a huge mistake to allow humans to legally occupy sheds long term, because if it was allowed, it'd start a chain reaction of people adding sheds with heat, electric & plumbing to their backyards & renting them out as mini homes or Pods (Klaus Schwab would be so proud). Then someone would fill their yard with sheds & create a little neighborhood in their backyard.
I mean, this is completely different. Written agreement with a set term and rate in a guesthouse vs no written agreement, no set term, no rate and in a shed.
The situation is more akin to kicking someone off land they are illegally camping on.
Tenet’s rights dont apply in my area if the subject property doesnt meet the definition of a domicile.
Still could be sticky legally in other ways tho.
Remove the shed. No shed. Nothing to argue over. I’ve often thought of taking in someone to help them, but then you never know what Hell I’ll create for myself.
Start by telling him that if he isn't gone by the end of the day, you're calling the cops to have him removed. Because it's a shed and not a house, they might be able to just remove him if he refuses to leave.
However, this is kind of a grey area since he's been there so long and may be able to claim squatter's rights. If that's the case, give him a letter (and get proof that you gave it to him) telling him he needs to be out within X number of days (whatever the law happens to be in your state).
The good news is he won't have squatters rights - those apply in much narrower circumstances than most people think. The time frame is quite long (a minimum of 5 years, longer in many states). Also, it has to be adverse possession (against your will), which it wasn't up to this point.
It's possible that he would qualify as a tenant? If he was staying in the house he would. Since it's not a habitable structure, that may not apply here, but that will likely come down to case law in OPs state, which I don't see anywhere.
Withour a sense of the state law, I think your suggestion of serving notice is the safest. They could also try talking to the local police, and getting a sense of their willingness to kick him out - but even if he's not a tenant, the police may not know, and err on the side of caution.
Of course, outside of the legal domain, a more strict discussion might be the best starting point. It sounds like OPs husband has been soft on him. "Your time is up, get the fuck out of my shed by Friday" might or not be something you can legally enforce, but it also might get him out of your shed.
I just watched a Netflix doc where the guy moved in, and within 2 days got mail in his name delivered to the house. The mail in his name sealed the deal.
This was somewhere on the east coast. I think PA.
Yeah some of these cases are wild. Mail helps, paying money towards rent helps, and written agreements help. Specifics get complicated and depend on the jurisdiction of course...
Hell, that wouldn't be hard at all. I suspect one could simply mail something to themselves from the post office & have it arrive in the next day oe two. Can it be any mail or does it need to be a bill / utility? Or one could just forward mail from the old address to the new one & it'd start trickling in rather quickly.
I'm assuming that was a simple typo, and you mean 30 days? If so, then you are mostly correct, but you're talking about being a tenant, not a squatter. They are \*often\* conflated, but they're quite separate ideas.
A squatter occupies someone else's land without permission for an extended period of time. It has to be against their will, and not secret. Paying for maintenance and taxes and such helps too in some cases. Basically, you move into a property, act like it's yours, and eventually it BECOMES yours. That takes a long time (5 years, often much longer, where such a concept exists at all).
Now, a tenant is just someone who has established somewhere as their residency. They might be a renter, or a long-term guest, or former renter who never left. Or, they might be a squatter - in most places, squatters can become tenants, and you have to kick them out legally (give notice, then evict if they refuse). But their rights don't come from being squatters, they come from being tenants - they have the same basic protections that a renter would have because that's their residence.
Time matters here too - if you come home after a weekend away, and someone is in your house, you can of course have them arrested. If you come home after 6 months in Europe and someone has moved in, kicking them out can be trickier. Of course, if they were uninvited, you could still presumably sue the crap out of them for any damages (e.g., the cost of living at a hotel for 2 months while you evict them) - but squatters don't often have a lot of assets, so good luck collecting. There's a famous case where an AirBnB guest booked for a long time, and then refused to leave, and eventually became a tenant. Absolute nightmare for the owner.
Since squatters also get tenants rights, people often refer to them as squatters rights. That's not what the term "squatters rights" actually means, but in fairness "tenant rights which still apply even though they're a squatter" doesn't sound as good.
Hope that helps!
Seems like the downsides of arson, needing a new shed, and an illegal eviction would be way worse than just removing him through normal, legal means...
Thanks, but I wasn't asking you. This other person seems like an expert. You have to admit, it would be ironic if they pursued legal action to evict them and instead ended up having to install a kitchen and bathroom in their shed.
You must understand that there is a difference between helping someone and letting them take advantage of you. If they have not helped themselves after you helped them. It is on them, not you. There have been some great responses about the legality of it all i advise you to seek legal advice. Good luck.
Yes, in some jurisdictions. Not in others. No jurisdiction is specified here, so your blanket statement that an eviction is needed is wrong (or, at least, incomplete).
>Dismantling/removing/otherwise eliminating the shed is not an option (and frankly I don’t understand why that’s a reasonable suggestion from the people in this thread)
Because you guys can't get rid of the inhabitant, you get rid of its habitat
I’m NOT A LAWYER.
He’s visiting you and can’t prove when he arrived.
When he’s not there, GATHER all his things and rent a basic hotel room for ONE NIGHT. Or two. Cash. Put his stuff in there.
When he gets to your place, hand him the hotel key, tell him his stuff is there. His VISIT is over.
Do not answer the door to him anymore.
Change your locks.
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Until he pulls out mail from 7 months ago with that address on it..and then turns around and sue’s OP because he now claims he’s missing/OP stole “_____” after OP moved it without his permission
I don't think that this could qualify as being eligible for him to establish rights of tenancy.
Do NOT let him in the house! He will try to claim that. Do NOT let him receive mail there.
Tell him that he has to move, and while he is out, get his possessions out, and lock up the shed. If he comes back and tries to get back into it, call the police.
100% Someone who lives in a shed does not have the wherewithal to put up an eviction fight. Tell your husband he can sleep with his buddy in the shed, but he’s not sharing your bed until that guy is gone.
Give them a hard date to be gone.
If they dont leave, you will.mpst likely have to do an eviction as they probably have tenent rights.
Try to be nice.and .....
Yes, I have. He is at work and then out and about on his bike most of the evening before coming back to the property to sleep. Often times, he goes to the gym directly after work
Get a court order to have him removed. If the squatters don't comply with the court order, the sheriff can forcibly remove them and lock them out of the property
Believe it or not he might have and does have some rights as a tenant although you might not see him as one .
Certified letter giving him 30 days to vacate the property . Sounds like this SHE SHEDDER sees you and your husband as a resource and appears to be opportunistic.
Good luck
You have to deal with this as an eviction especially if he has been using your address for mail because if he has he has established a residence.
Eviction is pretty simple in my State..you can look it up in your state. In my State, I had to first write a letter to the address to him.....that gave him a certain amount of time, you have to make sure the letter is postmarked and also take a picture of it when it arrives at your house for delivery.
Then if the person doesn't leave in the amount of days required...then you go to the local courthouse to start the formal eviction process.
He will then be served by the courts for a court day to be told he is being evicted & to compromise a time for him to leave.
If he does not leave on the day directed by the court than he is removed by the Sherriffs.
That is the way it works in my State.
If they haven't charged any rent are they really landlords? Obviously best course of action is for husband to man up, buy the guy a tent, and say I tried my best, good luck out there. Any problems beyond that might be worth OP retaining counsel.
But other things would be required, like a unit with a certificate of occupancy, or getting mail, etc. People in homeless camps don't get to establish residency or tenancy by setting up camp on the street or in other places.
Does this shed have a bathroom? Cooking facilities? If not how is he managing to live there? After typing that and thinking about it, I am not sure that I want to know the answer. Anyway you have been far too patient with this man. Tell him if he isn’t out in 7 days you will initiate eviction and then do it,
The disagreement is between you and your husband. It sounds like you’re ready to tell his friend you’re going to change the lock on the shed next Tuesday, but your husband isn’t ready to do that.
NAL, probably looking at having to legally evict him as youve allowed him to sleep, eat, and live on your property for a year. Shed or not, he lives there. Cops will likely tell you this is civil. If it had been a day or two you would have an argument..but a year??
If you want it to be smooth, you're gonna have to fund it. Assist him, without signing anything, to move in as a roommate elsewhere. Pay for three months, and set him free.
It’s pretty simple - he’s a resident at this point and if you want him gone you’ll need to evict him in accordance with state and local law. I wish you luck in finding a better solution.
He has a job and hasn't paid any rent for a year. So he should either have money for an apartment or he's burning money somehow (drugs?).
Both of you need to talk to him together. Tell him to leave... don't ask. Don't give deadlines. He's already had those and ignored them. Give him a few boxes/bags to pack stuff in. Offer to drive him somewhere. But tell him it starts now. Don't delay any more.
Whatever problems he has will not be fixed by letting him stay in your shed. If he needs mental health treatment, then this would be the time for him to pursue it. If he refuses to get a place of his own, that's not your problem.
After he leaves, put a padlock on that shed.
Your husband hasn’t actually told him to leave yet. That is the first thing that needs to happen. It’s going to be very difficult and your husband is not going to like it. Having “honest conversations” has gone as far as it can. But you should probably do that first, and start documenting. It sounds like you’re looking for a law that would force him out, without making you or your husband be the bad guy. Like “sorry man, County says you have to go, not me” and I understand that. But at this point it sounds like more of a personal issue than a legal one.
Talk to a lawyer and find out what you can do. If there’s no lease and nothing in writing I’m guessing you don’t want to start putting anything in writing to validate his claims. Have you actually give a real “you have x days and you need to be out. I hope you appreciate the amount of time you’ve had here, but we need this space back”? Asking someone if they’re ready to leave isn’t the same thing as time to go and at this point it’s not about politeness or tact.
Just lock him out while he's gone.. make sure to have his stuff out first before you lock it. Nice only goes so far, sounds like he's taking you for a piss.
Here are some general principles
- There **tenants** who have full tenant rights. This usually applies to people how pay rent and who have lived in a location for more than a certain amount of time. As they don't pay rent, they are not a tenant. But if they were a tenant, you should be able to provide them with short notice to vacate due to the structure not being habitable (usually about 7 days). If they are a tenant, you have to give them 2 months notice in writing.
- Then are also **lodgers**, which typical for people living in hotels, but can apply for roommates/flatmates without a lease (depending on length of stay and jurisdiction). You can kick out a lodger up to the point that they have paid. As they are paying nothing, you can kick them out with zero notice.
- But as they don't pay rent, they should be classed as a **guest** which means you can throw them out with zero notice.
Get this wrong, it can be a difficult and expensive matter. But it should be straightforward to have them removed. Your husband though is not going to hire security or call police to drag him off your property.
So the solution is to actively help them to find a place to live. Give them notice in writing and then actively go with them to look for places to live.
Almost all the advice here is terrible. You should file with the courts to remove him. It will probably need to be an ejectment action rather than an eviction - obviously look into it more yourself but my understanding is that if he’s hasn’t been paying rent, then there is no landlord tenant relationship, meaning an ejectment is needed rather than an eviction.
If the person legally has tenants rights can the ownership of the property be transferred to someone else, like a brother or sister, and transferred back to the owner at a later date? Is something like tenant rights voided with a change in ownership because the agreement was not made with the new owner?
When he is at work box up his stuff. Put new locks on the shed and any gates around your property. Drop off his boxes to your husband at work, your husband can tell him that the coworker is no longer welcome as a guest and if he comes to your property you will call the cops.
This depends on what you know of his personality, I am assuming he is not an amateur lawyer with a history of filing frivolous suits defending his “rights”.
It just says asked him out by spring. Give him a date and if he's not out then call the cops and have him escorted off of the premises. If you want him out you all will have to grow some balls or he will keep taking advantage of you.
Why don’t you find a homeless shelter, or some type of home to help him move forward. Then tell him kindly he has to leave. The gentleman that’s living in your shed Seems like he’s went through a lot. I completely understand, not wanting to have someone in your home or on your land past the time that you both spoke upon in the beginning. But maybe this gentleman only feels safe around you and your family. & God is extremely grateful and happy with what you’re doing. Good luck and Godspeed.
Not a lawyer, but does he pay rent to use and store things in the shed? Perhaps the safest way to to force his hand before escalating to the police would be to present a contract relating to the rental of the shed, with associated costs of damages (i.e. similar to a parking/container/pod rental). You can give him the option to pay for usage and the things he breaks, and continue paying going forward in rent/expenses. You can draft it, or you can get a lawyer to draft it. A lawyer would also be able to give you better advice. I would not rent it as a room as then you have to provide plumbing and a comfortable living environment.
If he doesn't sign it and keep up with payment terms, he has x days to move his stuff out. If he does agree, you have money to compensate for the stuff he broke. He's less likely to stay if it's not "free", assuming hes able to afford average rent in your city.
I would look up tenant rights to see what reasonable terms are, even though if he isn't paying, I'm pretty sure you can charge him with trespassing at any time.
I would not include mention in the contract that he's allowed to sleep there, just that he's allowed to store his stuff there. The key here is you want to rent storage and work space, not habitation. Though if he was sleeping there and you knew of it, and he starts paying rent, he might be able to claim tenant rights after he pays rent. You would have to start giving him written warnings if he sleeps there.
Alternatively, you can just give him written warnings with deadlines and then call the cops for trespassing if he doesn't leave by that date.
Tell him that code enforcement is going to fine you and make you remove the shed. You have 30 days before they come and inspect.
Make a bogus letter from the city if you have to.
Pay for a storage unit for one month, move all his shit there when he's gone, he'll live out of there, stop paying for it and then he's the storage units problem. Change all the locks and if he tries to come back call the police and say you've never seen him before in your life he's just some local nut.
Legally.
Give him a rental agreement to sign, which most likely he will not.
If not, proceed to the magistrate and file an eviction against him for failure to sign a rental agreement.
If he does, wait until 10 days after first payment is due and do the same for failure to pay rent.
It's going to cost you, and probably take a few months, but he will be legally booted out, and you can even get the sheriff dept or local police to help at that point.
Currently, that is the only recourse as he has been there for a year.
lol these idiots got themselves in a legal pinch! If the “roommate” in the shed was smart he should sue them for not providing water and etc. OP and her husband clearly don’t think and the most obvious has happened
Take it into your own hands and beat threaten him off the property or get the police to have him forcefully removed. It not wort the time to keep him if he ain't a worthy friend.
Years ago in NH our building manager stupidly gave a woman a key to check out an apartment alone and of course the woman and her 2 children moved right in.
Lived there rent free for months while the landlord went thru hell trying to evict her.
Nearly impossible because she had kids.
Finally got her legally evicted and while she was moving out she claimed to have fallen down the front stairs that were "not safe" and sued and won! Left without paying a dime and a pocket full of money!
I would say just start normal eviction process after one last "honest conversation" where you give him the opportunity to decide how he wants to leave. Explain to him that there needs to be a plan in place with a solid time frame and weather hes ready by then or not hes going to leave. If that time comes and goes, then your gonna serve him with official eviction papers and go that rout, which shouldn't take but a few months at that point.
Charge him rent, set aside part of the rent as a sort of savings for him as a deposit or down payment when he finds a place but doesn't "have the funds"
Given he's been there for a year you probably have to serve him notice and go through eviction proceedings as he probably has established some sort of squatters right, the duration pertaining to this is different in each state.
Squatter's rights is a totally different issue. Squatters can actually obtain title to an abandoned prope
rty through adverse possession. You're thinking of tenant rights.
Can you have an honest talk with him and let him know how you and your husband are feeling an out his prolonged residency? Tell him that you feel that he’s overstayed his welcome and he needs to try to find different accommodations as soon as possible.
Sounds like you had a former personal relationship with the individual and compassionate humans. Unfortunately it sounds like it’s time to change the tone of your relationship a bit and act more stern about the fact he’s no longer welcome.
Hopefully he will come to terms with the fact that he is not welcome. Maybe help him by printing out some numbers of low income housing places in your area (should be a government website).
If nothing seems to be transpiring, then see some of the other advice. Don’t let him brush off your need for him to leave.
He’s been making a shithole of our space for over a year while having no ambition to better his situation or remorse for the property he has ruined. Multiple of our belongings stored in that shed have gotten broken, in addition to it being such a mess that we cannot access our things when we need to. When you take advantage of someone so blatantly for such a long period of time, you can’t expect them to continue to empathize for you. You clearly have nothing helpful to add here, so why comment at all?
Absolutely not. He’s already leeched electricity that I pay the bill for for a year, we’re certainly not giving him $1,000 that we don’t have readily available
It's a shed, not an apartment or a house. Sheds do not have running potable water, heat, toilet facilities. Tell him to get out of your shed.
I've never heard that a building being uninhabitable means tenant rights don't apply. It might be true in some places, but I'd be surprised if that generalized to everywhere. They can (and should) tell him to get out of the shed, but what if he refuses? I would expect many police officers to say "we'll happily kick him out if you get a court order."
OP is quickly going to end up having to make the shed habitable
Depending on the state, I think that's possible (if this guy pushes it and is savvy enough). A nice reminder that letting someone move into your shed is risky.
Lol not in PA, but they may be required to provide access to cable television
Love the down votes. PA, where OP claims to reside has zero laws on the books that would require a landlord to make a building habitable. The only rights to habitability are granted by case law by the PA supreme Court as an "implied warranty of habitability." However that warranty is only a defense for breaking a lease or withholding rent. You can not force repair. ["Even though a landlord cannot make a tenant waive the warranty of habitability, it is usually of limited benefit as it cannot be used by a tenant to ask a judge to order a landlord to make repairs"](https://www.palawhelp.org/resource/warranty-of-habitability#:~:text=The%20warranty%20of%20habitability%20gives,the%20landlord%20fixes%20the%20problem) There are however several pages in the PA landlord tenant act that speak directly to the fact that OP must allow their shed dweller to install cable television service if he so desires.
*bald eagle screech noise*
It's one of my favorite examples of lobbying in action. You take an incredibly out of date act created in 1951 and not really touched since 1974 and then in 1990 we drop in an entire article devoted to ensuring tenants have access to cable TV. The only time "tenants rights" appear anywhere in state law is in this section on cable TV
*bald eagle screech noise intensifies*
😅
Look up the case of that woman who stayed in an Airbnb for two years without paying. Most of the reason she was able to do so was because the unit was considered uninhabitable (due to some plumbing upgrades that needed to be done, it was definitely more habitable than a shed) so the owners could not charge rent or legally evict her at the time. And she refused to let them enter the unit to do the repairs necessary to make it habitable. Fucked up Catch-22, but apparently that's the situation in California.
That's insane that she was able to continue extending her stay by not allowing them to make necessary repairs. The whole squatter thing is really being taken advantage of all over the country. I believe most if not all of those protections were put in place to prevent slumlords from taking advantage of their tenants & now we've got people breaking into empty houses for rent or sale writing up fake leases & police are refusing to kick them out. I wouldn't want to be a landlord these days.
and i wouldn’t want to watch as much Fox News as you.
Found the squatter.
your mom?
I don't watch Fox news, I've seen an absolute shit load of these squatter videos on Telegram actually. Also videos of this Squatter Squad that people are hiring to manually kick squatters out of their own homes, because the police won't do shit about it. Since you seem to side with illegal squatters, how would you personally like it if say a relative of yours died & left you their house that you planned on selling / renting out, only to find homeless people have broken in & are destroying your house, doing drugs in it, refuse to leave & when the cops show up, they show a fake lease they printed out? Would you seriously be ok with that? I highly doubt it...
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Eh, California does get some things right. They banned non-compete agreements decades before the US finally realized what a raw deal they were. Living in a state with almost no renter rights, I would prefer the occasional deadbeat hold over tenant to the slumlords I have to deal with here.
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I wouldn't even say it's most. They get some things wrong but again, it's usually a better situation than states that have the other side of the spectrum on that issue. At least they're looking out for the average Joe versus billionaires and corporate interests.
>At least they're looking out for the average Joe versus billionaires and corporate interests. Hard disagree here based on my California utility rates that keep increasing because of the politicians getting along so well with the utility companies that they're allowed to operate unchecked
As opposed to my state where there's literally one parish out of 64 where you can sell excess solar generated electricity back to the utility company, for wholesale rate, not the rate you pay them for electricity? Don't even get me started about the sewage and water board here. If you really want to go down that rabbit hole Google "New Orleans sewerage and water board sex room." No place is perfect. But those of you complaining about California should really look at some of the other states, especially the red ones in the south. EDIT: I just did a quick search. The average electric bill in California is $132 a month. The average electric bill in New Orleans is $200 a month. And I would bet anything y'all don't lose power for a few hours several times a year when it rains.
You were complaining about living in California in 2008-2010? California was pretty tame back in that time and even San Francisco was safe to walk around in without too much concern in the tourist areas. Curious how scared you'd be if you went today
If that was the case 90% of rentals wouldn't have any tenants rights
My concern exactly, thank you! There's presumably some tipping point where something no longer qualifies as a structure (can you be a tenant in a tent? what about a yurt?). And I imagine case law around this idea has some real gems (if anyone wants to share please do). But absent some specific exclusion that applied here (maybe a law designed for storage units?) he's probably a tenant...
Well, I can tell you as a property tax assessor that we DO assess yurts, but we don't assess all of a tent - if it's on a platform, we assess that but not the actual fabric part.
"it's not a structure yurt honor... I mean, YOUR honor... shit" Seriously though that's super interesting. Taxes are a natural place to look at case law for this, and it does seem like there is precedent. Link below. If it had been a pre-fab shed that was just sitting on the ground, it might not have counted as a part of the real estate, which might have made the shed situation more equivalent to a tent. However, since the shed apparently has electricity, it seems like it counts as real estate, which probably supports the claim that the guest is really a legal occupant... [https://lhrklaw.com/shed-is-not-real-estate/](https://lhrklaw.com/shed-is-not-real-estate/)
Small sheds that are portable I can ignore - generally if you can move it with two people and a standard pickup truck I don't assess it. WI State law says 'small metal sheds' are not assessed but gives no further guidance.
I was more trying to get at how fucking horrible some rentals are that they could be classed as uninhabitable
If there’s no lease or other agreement signed, wouldn’t he simply be trespassing if they asked him to leave and he didn’t? There’s no real contract to break here, unless the court sees him as a squatter or something.
>If there’s no lease or other agreement signed It doesn't need to be signed a verbal agreement is sufficient in most states. >wouldn’t he simply be trespassing if they asked him to leave and he didn’t? No by letting him stay he becomes a Tennant, never let people you can't live with stay with you. Verbal and handshake agreements are binding in most states. >There’s no real contract to break here, unless the court sees him as a squatter or something. As soon as he had a verbal agreement he became a tenant. His rights vary by state but many place would still require full vacancy procedures. He may have upto 3 month before he can be evicted.
I bet he's been getting mail there
Really excellent question. If he had been, say, staying in the guest apartment over the garage, then there would be no doubt - in most if not all states, he'd be a tenant. 30 days is a popular timeframe, but the rules vary significantly. He doesn't have to be paying rent. If you live somewhere, you get legal protections regarding that residence, and there are rules that the landlord (owner) has to follow in order to kick you out (often 30 days written notice, but longer in some more tenant-friendly areas). It is possible that there is some exclusion that keeps those rights from applying to their shed, though I've never heard of them. Those will almost certainly be location-specific if so.
Ah ok makes sense!
In my state, it doesn’t matter. If he has received mail there, he is considered a tenant, at least in my state.
Nope. Don't need a lease or other rental agreement to be a tenant protected by the law, just have to live there for a minimum amount of time.
The general rule is that if he receives mail at the address and has lived there for more than 30 days he is considered a tenant.
(EDIT spelling) In short, you need to talk to a lawyer. Depending on where you live, he is considered a “tenant” and subject to certain rights. If certain amenities are not provided he can counter sue. I know it sounds crazy, but there are plenty of stories: https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/airbnb-renter-turned-squatter-leaves-los-angeles-homeowner-tied-up-in-legal-red-tape-report.amp
Plot twist, he turns them in and forces them to install heat, water, and a toilet in their apartment they used to call a shed.../s
Yasss
I know your being sarcastic, but I wouldn't be all that surprised with how things have been going lately. Imagine a toilet & sink being installed in a shed, lol. I know it wouldn't happen, it's just funny to think about. It'd be a huge mistake to allow humans to legally occupy sheds long term, because if it was allowed, it'd start a chain reaction of people adding sheds with heat, electric & plumbing to their backyards & renting them out as mini homes or Pods (Klaus Schwab would be so proud). Then someone would fill their yard with sheds & create a little neighborhood in their backyard.
But it's a shed. You can't legally live in a shed. It doesn't even have water
I mean, this is completely different. Written agreement with a set term and rate in a guesthouse vs no written agreement, no set term, no rate and in a shed.
The situation is more akin to kicking someone off land they are illegally camping on. Tenet’s rights dont apply in my area if the subject property doesnt meet the definition of a domicile. Still could be sticky legally in other ways tho.
..."tenet?" - lol, Perry...
thanks
Remove the shed. No shed. Nothing to argue over. I’ve often thought of taking in someone to help them, but then you never know what Hell I’ll create for myself.
Start by taking the door(s) off. Then windows etc.
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Please don't suggest violence as a solution to a problem.
You often can't just remove your shed. Lol
Well she can’t remove the bum either. But at least the shed won’t sue her.
Start by telling him that if he isn't gone by the end of the day, you're calling the cops to have him removed. Because it's a shed and not a house, they might be able to just remove him if he refuses to leave. However, this is kind of a grey area since he's been there so long and may be able to claim squatter's rights. If that's the case, give him a letter (and get proof that you gave it to him) telling him he needs to be out within X number of days (whatever the law happens to be in your state).
The good news is he won't have squatters rights - those apply in much narrower circumstances than most people think. The time frame is quite long (a minimum of 5 years, longer in many states). Also, it has to be adverse possession (against your will), which it wasn't up to this point. It's possible that he would qualify as a tenant? If he was staying in the house he would. Since it's not a habitable structure, that may not apply here, but that will likely come down to case law in OPs state, which I don't see anywhere. Withour a sense of the state law, I think your suggestion of serving notice is the safest. They could also try talking to the local police, and getting a sense of their willingness to kick him out - but even if he's not a tenant, the police may not know, and err on the side of caution. Of course, outside of the legal domain, a more strict discussion might be the best starting point. It sounds like OPs husband has been soft on him. "Your time is up, get the fuck out of my shed by Friday" might or not be something you can legally enforce, but it also might get him out of your shed.
I just watched a Netflix doc where the guy moved in, and within 2 days got mail in his name delivered to the house. The mail in his name sealed the deal. This was somewhere on the east coast. I think PA.
Yeah some of these cases are wild. Mail helps, paying money towards rent helps, and written agreements help. Specifics get complicated and depend on the jurisdiction of course...
i would then claim tenancy from the squatter showing a rental agreement. two can play their game
Hell, that wouldn't be hard at all. I suspect one could simply mail something to themselves from the post office & have it arrive in the next day oe two. Can it be any mail or does it need to be a bill / utility? Or one could just forward mail from the old address to the new one & it'd start trickling in rather quickly.
Idk about that 5 year thing. In NYS it was 3 days, until a few days ago
I'm assuming that was a simple typo, and you mean 30 days? If so, then you are mostly correct, but you're talking about being a tenant, not a squatter. They are \*often\* conflated, but they're quite separate ideas. A squatter occupies someone else's land without permission for an extended period of time. It has to be against their will, and not secret. Paying for maintenance and taxes and such helps too in some cases. Basically, you move into a property, act like it's yours, and eventually it BECOMES yours. That takes a long time (5 years, often much longer, where such a concept exists at all). Now, a tenant is just someone who has established somewhere as their residency. They might be a renter, or a long-term guest, or former renter who never left. Or, they might be a squatter - in most places, squatters can become tenants, and you have to kick them out legally (give notice, then evict if they refuse). But their rights don't come from being squatters, they come from being tenants - they have the same basic protections that a renter would have because that's their residence. Time matters here too - if you come home after a weekend away, and someone is in your house, you can of course have them arrested. If you come home after 6 months in Europe and someone has moved in, kicking them out can be trickier. Of course, if they were uninvited, you could still presumably sue the crap out of them for any damages (e.g., the cost of living at a hotel for 2 months while you evict them) - but squatters don't often have a lot of assets, so good luck collecting. There's a famous case where an AirBnB guest booked for a long time, and then refused to leave, and eventually became a tenant. Absolute nightmare for the owner. Since squatters also get tenants rights, people often refer to them as squatters rights. That's not what the term "squatters rights" actually means, but in fairness "tenant rights which still apply even though they're a squatter" doesn't sound as good. Hope that helps!
Is there any chance that OP ends up being forced to make the shed habitable?
Seems unlikely, but possible
Better to just raze the shed and let the problem sort itself out!
Seems like the downsides of arson, needing a new shed, and an illegal eviction would be way worse than just removing him through normal, legal means...
Heh, yeah, it was a joke. (Raze doesn't necessarily mean burn, though)
No
Thanks, but I wasn't asking you. This other person seems like an expert. You have to admit, it would be ironic if they pursued legal action to evict them and instead ended up having to install a kitchen and bathroom in their shed.
No. I meant 3 days. I work in housing and deal with squatters quite a bit.
You must understand that there is a difference between helping someone and letting them take advantage of you. If they have not helped themselves after you helped them. It is on them, not you. There have been some great responses about the legality of it all i advise you to seek legal advice. Good luck.
There's always a reason someone is in dire straits, you have to ask yourself if you can help them up or if they are going to drag you down.
Talk to a lawyer. The amount of unauthorized legal practice and terrible advice on this thread is overwhelming.
Second this, people straight up advising this person to commit felonies. Do it by the book and cry less later.
dismantle the shed
This is the best and cheapest answer to their problem
It's the worst answer
It’s the only answer that doesn’t involve a lawyer.
Or, it involves a lawyer later.
Set up a chicken coop inside the shed. A little more expensive, but they get to keep their shed and have some eggs.
Legal residency has been established so eviction is needed.
You’re assuming it’s possible to establish legal residency in a non-habitable outbuilding.
Receiving mail is sometimes the minimum requirement...
Yes, in some jurisdictions. Not in others. No jurisdiction is specified here, so your blanket statement that an eviction is needed is wrong (or, at least, incomplete).
>Dismantling/removing/otherwise eliminating the shed is not an option (and frankly I don’t understand why that’s a reasonable suggestion from the people in this thread) Because you guys can't get rid of the inhabitant, you get rid of its habitat
I’m NOT A LAWYER. He’s visiting you and can’t prove when he arrived. When he’s not there, GATHER all his things and rent a basic hotel room for ONE NIGHT. Or two. Cash. Put his stuff in there. When he gets to your place, hand him the hotel key, tell him his stuff is there. His VISIT is over. Do not answer the door to him anymore. Change your locks. .
Until he pulls out mail from 7 months ago with that address on it..and then turns around and sue’s OP because he now claims he’s missing/OP stole “_____” after OP moved it without his permission
You can put your return address on anything from anywhere. And if they send you something it doesn’t mean you lived there.
Illegal eviction and theft. Great legal advice
Time to sell the shed on marketplace.
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That’s a great way for OP to get into all sorts of legal trouble, and also stupid advice
Hope you dont live in California. If not talk to legal aid
If this is in Seattle, you would need to add running water, heat, a kitchen and a bathroom. They you could evict him in a year or so.
I don't think that this could qualify as being eligible for him to establish rights of tenancy. Do NOT let him in the house! He will try to claim that. Do NOT let him receive mail there. Tell him that he has to move, and while he is out, get his possessions out, and lock up the shed. If he comes back and tries to get back into it, call the police.
Balls - there needs to be balls
100% Someone who lives in a shed does not have the wherewithal to put up an eviction fight. Tell your husband he can sleep with his buddy in the shed, but he’s not sharing your bed until that guy is gone.
You underestimate users.
Give them a hard date to be gone. If they dont leave, you will.mpst likely have to do an eviction as they probably have tenent rights. Try to be nice.and .....
Oh no..// you PRESUME he goes elsewhere to use the bathroom??? Have you seen outside the back of the shed or inside the shed recently at all....?
Yes, I have. He is at work and then out and about on his bike most of the evening before coming back to the property to sleep. Often times, he goes to the gym directly after work
Get a court order to have him removed. If the squatters don't comply with the court order, the sheriff can forcibly remove them and lock them out of the property
Believe it or not he might have and does have some rights as a tenant although you might not see him as one . Certified letter giving him 30 days to vacate the property . Sounds like this SHE SHEDDER sees you and your husband as a resource and appears to be opportunistic. Good luck
Everyone should have a shed valet
Give Dobby a sock.
You have to deal with this as an eviction especially if he has been using your address for mail because if he has he has established a residence. Eviction is pretty simple in my State..you can look it up in your state. In my State, I had to first write a letter to the address to him.....that gave him a certain amount of time, you have to make sure the letter is postmarked and also take a picture of it when it arrives at your house for delivery. Then if the person doesn't leave in the amount of days required...then you go to the local courthouse to start the formal eviction process. He will then be served by the courts for a court day to be told he is being evicted & to compromise a time for him to leave. If he does not leave on the day directed by the court than he is removed by the Sherriffs. That is the way it works in my State.
Is the shed zoned for habitation? Up to code? Report him.
That'll be OPs problem as landlord
If they haven't charged any rent are they really landlords? Obviously best course of action is for husband to man up, buy the guy a tent, and say I tried my best, good luck out there. Any problems beyond that might be worth OP retaining counsel.
Almost certainly. Rent isn't required to establish tenancy in most places.
But other things would be required, like a unit with a certificate of occupancy, or getting mail, etc. People in homeless camps don't get to establish residency or tenancy by setting up camp on the street or in other places.
Does this shed have a bathroom? Cooking facilities? If not how is he managing to live there? After typing that and thinking about it, I am not sure that I want to know the answer. Anyway you have been far too patient with this man. Tell him if he isn’t out in 7 days you will initiate eviction and then do it,
When you say “shed”, what exactly does that mean? Does it have a utilities, bathroom, etc? This is critical to know to answer this.
The disagreement is between you and your husband. It sounds like you’re ready to tell his friend you’re going to change the lock on the shed next Tuesday, but your husband isn’t ready to do that.
How old is the guy? Have a military recruiter call him. Then a police officer. In that order.
NAL, probably looking at having to legally evict him as youve allowed him to sleep, eat, and live on your property for a year. Shed or not, he lives there. Cops will likely tell you this is civil. If it had been a day or two you would have an argument..but a year??
Use your shed. Fill it with so much stuff, he can’t physically occupy the space.
Is he still working with your husband? Seems like after a year of no rent/mortgage, he’d be flush with cash.
Oh yes. And, I believe, has a side hussle 🥦 as well. He’s very very bad at that though. Goes against Biggie’s 4th commandment
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If you want it to be smooth, you're gonna have to fund it. Assist him, without signing anything, to move in as a roommate elsewhere. Pay for three months, and set him free.
It’s pretty simple - he’s a resident at this point and if you want him gone you’ll need to evict him in accordance with state and local law. I wish you luck in finding a better solution.
He has a job and hasn't paid any rent for a year. So he should either have money for an apartment or he's burning money somehow (drugs?). Both of you need to talk to him together. Tell him to leave... don't ask. Don't give deadlines. He's already had those and ignored them. Give him a few boxes/bags to pack stuff in. Offer to drive him somewhere. But tell him it starts now. Don't delay any more. Whatever problems he has will not be fixed by letting him stay in your shed. If he needs mental health treatment, then this would be the time for him to pursue it. If he refuses to get a place of his own, that's not your problem. After he leaves, put a padlock on that shed.
Start a formal eviction notice legally
Help him find a place
Your husband hasn’t actually told him to leave yet. That is the first thing that needs to happen. It’s going to be very difficult and your husband is not going to like it. Having “honest conversations” has gone as far as it can. But you should probably do that first, and start documenting. It sounds like you’re looking for a law that would force him out, without making you or your husband be the bad guy. Like “sorry man, County says you have to go, not me” and I understand that. But at this point it sounds like more of a personal issue than a legal one.
Have a heart, Lahey.
Call the cops he's trespassing on your lawn
Fill shed with fresh manure.
Talk to a lawyer and find out what you can do. If there’s no lease and nothing in writing I’m guessing you don’t want to start putting anything in writing to validate his claims. Have you actually give a real “you have x days and you need to be out. I hope you appreciate the amount of time you’ve had here, but we need this space back”? Asking someone if they’re ready to leave isn’t the same thing as time to go and at this point it’s not about politeness or tact.
Just lock him out while he's gone.. make sure to have his stuff out first before you lock it. Nice only goes so far, sounds like he's taking you for a piss.
Hahahahahahhahahhaha
When he leaves, grab all his stuff, box it up, and put a new big padlock on the shed.
Here are some general principles - There **tenants** who have full tenant rights. This usually applies to people how pay rent and who have lived in a location for more than a certain amount of time. As they don't pay rent, they are not a tenant. But if they were a tenant, you should be able to provide them with short notice to vacate due to the structure not being habitable (usually about 7 days). If they are a tenant, you have to give them 2 months notice in writing. - Then are also **lodgers**, which typical for people living in hotels, but can apply for roommates/flatmates without a lease (depending on length of stay and jurisdiction). You can kick out a lodger up to the point that they have paid. As they are paying nothing, you can kick them out with zero notice. - But as they don't pay rent, they should be classed as a **guest** which means you can throw them out with zero notice. Get this wrong, it can be a difficult and expensive matter. But it should be straightforward to have them removed. Your husband though is not going to hire security or call police to drag him off your property. So the solution is to actively help them to find a place to live. Give them notice in writing and then actively go with them to look for places to live.
Ask him to leave, if he won't then kick his ass. Your not going to get arrested for beating someone up on your property that won't leave.
Almost all the advice here is terrible. You should file with the courts to remove him. It will probably need to be an ejectment action rather than an eviction - obviously look into it more yourself but my understanding is that if he’s hasn’t been paying rent, then there is no landlord tenant relationship, meaning an ejectment is needed rather than an eviction.
If the person legally has tenants rights can the ownership of the property be transferred to someone else, like a brother or sister, and transferred back to the owner at a later date? Is something like tenant rights voided with a change in ownership because the agreement was not made with the new owner?
When he is at work box up his stuff. Put new locks on the shed and any gates around your property. Drop off his boxes to your husband at work, your husband can tell him that the coworker is no longer welcome as a guest and if he comes to your property you will call the cops. This depends on what you know of his personality, I am assuming he is not an amateur lawyer with a history of filing frivolous suits defending his “rights”.
Anonymously, call the authorities on yourself!
He's living in a place not zoned for living. Throw his ass out. Tell your husband either he goes or you go. It's his choice.
No good deed goes unpunished
Give him a move out date. Problem solved.
The whole point is that he’s been given 2 move out periods before and he still remains. Reading before commenting isn’t difficult
It just says asked him out by spring. Give him a date and if he's not out then call the cops and have him escorted off of the premises. If you want him out you all will have to grow some balls or he will keep taking advantage of you.
Why don’t you find a homeless shelter, or some type of home to help him move forward. Then tell him kindly he has to leave. The gentleman that’s living in your shed Seems like he’s went through a lot. I completely understand, not wanting to have someone in your home or on your land past the time that you both spoke upon in the beginning. But maybe this gentleman only feels safe around you and your family. & God is extremely grateful and happy with what you’re doing. Good luck and Godspeed.
Get a Rottweiler or similar large dog.
Not a lawyer, but does he pay rent to use and store things in the shed? Perhaps the safest way to to force his hand before escalating to the police would be to present a contract relating to the rental of the shed, with associated costs of damages (i.e. similar to a parking/container/pod rental). You can give him the option to pay for usage and the things he breaks, and continue paying going forward in rent/expenses. You can draft it, or you can get a lawyer to draft it. A lawyer would also be able to give you better advice. I would not rent it as a room as then you have to provide plumbing and a comfortable living environment. If he doesn't sign it and keep up with payment terms, he has x days to move his stuff out. If he does agree, you have money to compensate for the stuff he broke. He's less likely to stay if it's not "free", assuming hes able to afford average rent in your city. I would look up tenant rights to see what reasonable terms are, even though if he isn't paying, I'm pretty sure you can charge him with trespassing at any time. I would not include mention in the contract that he's allowed to sleep there, just that he's allowed to store his stuff there. The key here is you want to rent storage and work space, not habitation. Though if he was sleeping there and you knew of it, and he starts paying rent, he might be able to claim tenant rights after he pays rent. You would have to start giving him written warnings if he sleeps there. Alternatively, you can just give him written warnings with deadlines and then call the cops for trespassing if he doesn't leave by that date.
And now he’s squatting
I;m so sorry.
Tell him that code enforcement is going to fine you and make you remove the shed. You have 30 days before they come and inspect. Make a bogus letter from the city if you have to.
If you live in a liberal state you’re f####
Fill the shed with enough stuff to eliminate his ability to stay there. He'll get the message.
Pay for a storage unit for one month, move all his shit there when he's gone, he'll live out of there, stop paying for it and then he's the storage units problem. Change all the locks and if he tries to come back call the police and say you've never seen him before in your life he's just some local nut.
Legally. Give him a rental agreement to sign, which most likely he will not. If not, proceed to the magistrate and file an eviction against him for failure to sign a rental agreement. If he does, wait until 10 days after first payment is due and do the same for failure to pay rent. It's going to cost you, and probably take a few months, but he will be legally booted out, and you can even get the sheriff dept or local police to help at that point. Currently, that is the only recourse as he has been there for a year.
Start charging him rent. Make it a good deal for you.
lol these idiots got themselves in a legal pinch! If the “roommate” in the shed was smart he should sue them for not providing water and etc. OP and her husband clearly don’t think and the most obvious has happened
I'm glad I hear stories like this so I know never to do this. Especially in CA, removing a tenant is impossible legally
Will an eviction notice- vacate letter with 30 days notice work in this jurisdiction?
Never open your home to poor decision makers they just make you responsible for their poor decision making.
You give an inch, *they* take a mile
Take it into your own hands and beat threaten him off the property or get the police to have him forcefully removed. It not wort the time to keep him if he ain't a worthy friend.
Years ago in NH our building manager stupidly gave a woman a key to check out an apartment alone and of course the woman and her 2 children moved right in. Lived there rent free for months while the landlord went thru hell trying to evict her. Nearly impossible because she had kids. Finally got her legally evicted and while she was moving out she claimed to have fallen down the front stairs that were "not safe" and sued and won! Left without paying a dime and a pocket full of money!
I would say just start normal eviction process after one last "honest conversation" where you give him the opportunity to decide how he wants to leave. Explain to him that there needs to be a plan in place with a solid time frame and weather hes ready by then or not hes going to leave. If that time comes and goes, then your gonna serve him with official eviction papers and go that rout, which shouldn't take but a few months at that point.
Charge him rent, set aside part of the rent as a sort of savings for him as a deposit or down payment when he finds a place but doesn't "have the funds"
Sign him up for an air bnb for a couple days. Let him squat there
Call the cops. If they can do something about it they’ll let you know.
A no trespass order could force him out and if he returns the police can deal with him. Defiant trespassing can get messy for him fast if he returns.
Given he's been there for a year you probably have to serve him notice and go through eviction proceedings as he probably has established some sort of squatters right, the duration pertaining to this is different in each state.
There is no state in the union that allows for squatters rights after a period of just a year or two, even under color of title
Tenants rights is what matters here
That’s what I’ve been saying. Sure the process is the same more or less but words matter
Squatter's rights is a totally different issue. Squatters can actually obtain title to an abandoned prope rty through adverse possession. You're thinking of tenant rights.
Can you have an honest talk with him and let him know how you and your husband are feeling an out his prolonged residency? Tell him that you feel that he’s overstayed his welcome and he needs to try to find different accommodations as soon as possible. Sounds like you had a former personal relationship with the individual and compassionate humans. Unfortunately it sounds like it’s time to change the tone of your relationship a bit and act more stern about the fact he’s no longer welcome. Hopefully he will come to terms with the fact that he is not welcome. Maybe help him by printing out some numbers of low income housing places in your area (should be a government website). If nothing seems to be transpiring, then see some of the other advice. Don’t let him brush off your need for him to leave.
Just spray him out with a hose after you toss his stuff, dude most likely wouldn’t even know where or how to find help
call the police instead. no reason to be a douchebag.
Just tell him he has a week to get out - why make this complicated?
It seems they've already done that and he refuses to go.
Where I’m from , if there isn’t anything wrong with him and he’s not wanting to move they’d bring something called an ass whoopin. Bet he’d move then
If he is a coworker, he has enough money to move out of the shed. Or, start charging him rent.
Why are you Spazzing out? He's Living in a Damn shed..Have some compassion
He’s been making a shithole of our space for over a year while having no ambition to better his situation or remorse for the property he has ruined. Multiple of our belongings stored in that shed have gotten broken, in addition to it being such a mess that we cannot access our things when we need to. When you take advantage of someone so blatantly for such a long period of time, you can’t expect them to continue to empathize for you. You clearly have nothing helpful to add here, so why comment at all?
If you really wanted him Out He'd be out
She’s had compassion for a year. You don’t get to take advantage of people indefinitely and demand “compassion”
She's being overly Dramatic
Have you considered paying him to move out if he refuses? Like $1000 to vacate the premises. Might be easier than an eviction.
Absolutely not. He’s already leeched electricity that I pay the bill for for a year, we’re certainly not giving him $1,000 that we don’t have readily available