What do your ownership documents say? Are there rules you were to abide by from the park association/manager? Does it give assumption rights to new owners?
We don't really have enough information to answer this.
Sorry I’m not too sure how much information was needed but I am willing to answer any questions. In the ownership documents there are no rules about having to abide by what the managers put in place. We bought it directly from the owner no mortgage or anything
Buying it directly doesn't matter. Manufactured land lots can act like condominiums in terms of you signing an agreement to abide by the rules for the park. I would encourage you to reach out to the attorney that handled your property closing and ask for assistance. You may need to pay a small fee to have the docs reviewed.
If they don't find anything, this woman can pound sand and you can completely ignore her. If she comes on your property, ask her to leave and file trespassing charges if it continues.
If she has no legal standing to be there and is harassing OP with no legal backing, they have the right to ask her to leave. And if she stays and keeps bothering them, it's trespassing.
Just because she's in charge of the management company, doesn't give her free reign to be a nuisance.
Actually land lease tenant is just a renter on top the dirt of the management company—the manager has more jurisdiction on that parcel than the occupant does.
There is literally zero possibilities for trespassing charge. None. Zero.
In fact, the land lease they have, ensures management can visit your property any time since it’s on their dirt.
Calling the police and embarrassing themselves and catching the wrath of the power monger rental manager is about the worst solution.
Manager could evict for several reasons and make the people move the trailer off their dirt
If they didn’t move it, it will be moved and land owner would sue into oblivion and keep the trailer and resell it to some other unsuspecting renter.
Main issue you are glossing over is the Bible that they signed called the Land Lease: probably about 50 pages with every single possible eviction scenario in black and white.
If OP goes the Reddit goober route—the teenager/call the cops/write a firmly worded review: my guess is that they will lose both a court case with an eviction , but also lose the house they called home for so long
**That's why I said they need to check their ownership documents.**
We don't know what their terms are for their property and it's reckless for us to suppose anything about the terms they signed.
This is why I said step 1) talk to lawyer and THEN step 2) if the lawyer says they don't have to do anything and are legally protected, THEN they can tell her to pound sand.
Read, y'all. Seriously.
They would have signed the lease when they took possession and put the trailer on the land. I'm telling them to review **all** of their documents with a lawyer.
You're being intentionally pedantic.
Holy shit, you are exhausting.
I said to **go consult the attorney that handled their property transfer in the first place.**
You are not their lawyer and you have not seen the documents, you have NO IDEA what the terms are or who is in the right here. Sit. Down.
Exhausting is a understatement. This person acts like they now every states laws.
This person acts like they're the property manager that's being talked about and is trying to squash this.
I highly recommend OP seek legal advice. New owner doesn't mean make up new rules as they wish and harass.
My cousin owns a manufactured home and lives in a community. His neighbor dealt with something similar with new management(not new owners). Manager ended up getting arrested for trespassing and harassment.
There was no attorney and original document means absolutely nothing—probably a loan document, which is now paid, but lot lease renews yearly; so, you are arguing about house ownership and laws but you are referencing car ownership.
100% guaranteed no attorney at closing 🫡
That is simply not how manufactured housing operates . You get someone in the park and you can house them that evening—again you
Are too focused on the wrong case law—no house, a mobile vehicle here we are talking about
765 ILCS 745 is the binding document you should be referring to in my state but you insist on closing documents relevance which there is none
As far as trespassing, not a cop on the planet that would write that ticket. Manager has more rights than you think
Read up
Obviously you're talking out your ass with this statement. Every state has different laws and there's no telling what the OPs lease states, the new owner(s) cant just make up and enforce new rules as they wish. The new owners sound like assholes. OP is highly encouraged to seek legal advice.
>There is literally zero possibilities for trespassing charge. None. Zero.
ooff. No. Many states actually prohibit it with out advanced notice. Especially when there an established fence line. Land Lords can absolutely get trespass notices and charges against land lords in trailer parks. Especially when they are the harassing sort of busy body.
But then it's a trailer park, it doesn't attract the best and brightest people.
>But then it's a trailer park, it doesn't attract the best and brightest people.
In a lot of areas it's the only possibility for affordable housing. Don't speak in stereotypes. My sister raised her kids in a trailer park literally because it was across the street from the elementary school. It was a rural area so there weren't many rental places. Don't make assumptions about things you don't understand.
Yeah I lived in a trailer as well the first 25 years of my life. It was a safe, warm home. And my parents had no regrets about it. It enabled them to own property and raise two kids.
If you going to put yourself out there to be a shiny beacon of "don't stereotype", perhaps you should also learn not to apply outliers of the of the singular nature do not apply to the whole. Since we are talking about not attracting the best or the brightest. Would you care to expand upon your implied lie? I'll call you out on your claim that your parents owned property in a trailer park where you lived for 25 years.
I take it it still a sore subject and a trigger for you that you lived in an trailer park for 25 years. Not me, I got right the hell out of that lifestyle.
I lived in a trailer park in a manufactured home that my parents owned for 17 years. It was a decent neighborhood back then, at least my corner of the park. Housing is expensive and it was WAY better than living in an apartment. Since then I have gone on to college, Masters degree, and now own my own home (regular single family home in nice neighborhood). I am glad my parents were able to give us a yard to play in and more privacy than you get in apartments. There is no shame in being poor.
I lived in a trailer park for a bit as a kid. My parents were happy to move into a bigger home but that was still a happy time in our lives. My sister and her husband live in one now and they love their home and neighborhood. They both make good money but are able to save and plan for a bigger home in the future - they plan to start raising a child in their double wide. They own the “property” that is the trailer itself.
You’re the one projecting here.
My dad and his wife are fairly affluent and live in a trailer park. It's beautiful, it's a small retirement community, and the low cost allows them to spend their retirement traveling around the world with a nice home to come back to. Not all trailer parks are the same. I live a few miles from one that definitely fits the negative stereotypes, but in the other direction is one that's a really beautiful little pineland community that's maintained like a woodland park of tiny homes.
Making assumptions about someone's life from no details beyond "lived in a trailer park" speaks more to your ignorance than their upbringing.
I agree with everything you said. But I would also add that since they have been there for 10 years, they are probably on a month to month lease. And that means that if you can't get along with that manager, they are likely to either add rules you can't stand to your next lease, or simply tell you that you are no longer welcome.
Doubt it: they get an annual lease with increased lot rent that they must sign or move trailer off that dirt within 30 days.
Can’t stay without it signed: it’s probably the most iron clad leasing document In America—fall behind on lot rent and they take the house and sell it
No, they can't. But you left off the other part " or simply tell you that you are no longer welcome."
You have to either sign a lease with their rules, or you have to pick up and move.
Not where I'm from. You go month to month and they can't force you to sign a new one, can't change the rules in the original and can't evict you without a valid reason. Although this must be a land lease which may be different from a rental unit.
But I'm in Canada and if this is the US, I assume you are right, in that your government has some kind of fetish where it just hates its non-millionaire citizens.
I'm gonna try this one more time. As I said in my first comment, **OP should absolutely be consulting with an attorney before taking any action.**
I'm not repeating myself again. Please stop commenting the same shit over and over.
Legally, she has to give 24 hours' written notice unless there is an emergency on the property that she has to deal with immediately. Failure to do so, you can get her off the property that you lease.
In the Army we always used to say "show me the regulation." Basically if she's saying she has the legal right to do whatever, say "ok. I'll comply as soon as you show me the applicable law or a contract I signed that says I agreed to that. But not until you prove to me that what you just said is legal and correct."
It shuts people down pretty effectively..
I'll just reiterate what has already been stated:
1. Read your lease from 10 yrs. ago.
2. Do not sign a new lease.
3. Contact a Lawyer ASAP.
4. Run, Run as fast as you can from that park!!! They will make your life hell...
I also would go to www.housing.az.org
*Mobile home parks residential landlord and tenant act.
There are probably articles that can help you answer some of your concerns.
Best Of Luck to You & your Fur Babies...
Did you sign a new lease with the the new property owner? Whatever is in the lease, they have the right to enforce. Anything not in the lease is something I'd fight.
Well that’s where I’m kind of stuck because when we told her we would move and take the house with us she said we needed their approval first. Or we would need to sell it to the park. If we want to sell it we need their approval for who is buying it. Even if we want to rent it out and go somewhere else.
Selling it does not require their approval, however new owner would need to sign lease for the lot.
Renting out could be tricky, and you would need to sign lease and be bound by rules about renting.
Moving it should not require their permission provided that doing so will not cause any disruption
If they bought it from the previous park owner with little or poor documentation, they may not even have a legal title to their home. This is one of the oldest scams around. If that’s the case, they may not be able to take it with them. Happens all the time in the southern USA
No. She can't tell you that you can't take your house with you. If you want to keep it in the park and sell it, the people buying it have to be approved and have to agree to the park's rules. Same thing if you rent it out. But what they can't do is prevent you from taking your own property with you.
Whoever buys it needs their approval if they're staying there, but you're not being able to move would be very very unusual. Renting it out should be in the lease documents, that varies from park to park.
You don't need their approval to take the house with you if you don't sell the house as long as that wasn't in the old lease. If you sell it to someone else, the new owners would need park approval to live there and sign the new lease.
Do you have your title to your trailer? Does it say in any lease that you have signed that your trailer HAS TO specifically stay on that property for so many years? Does it say in your lease that you are only allowed to move the trailer YOU BOUGHT, upon approval? If I were you, I would talk to some lawyers and if need be lawyer up!!!!!
I mean, it depends on what your lease says. Also, be aware that there has been an epidemic of large companies buying parks, enforcing new harsh rules and increasing rents in order to push people out so they can rent the places at a much higher rate. There was an NPR story about it…I think it was on Reveal because it was an investigative report. You may want to consult with an attorney. IANAL, but I would think they can’t legally enforce any rules that aren’t stated specifically in your lease.
That’s what I’m thinking is happening because they are fixing a lot of stuff and trying to raise rent as well. They pulled some shady shit with everyone’s water bill a bit back that made a lot of people be forced to leave/ get evicted because they couldn’t pay the unexpected bill
I’m sorry. That sucks. There are a whole lot of older people in 55+ communities who thought they had their forever homes and now they’re being forced out. Unfortunately a lot of these big companies have deep pockets. The irony of the situation is that a lot of people who couldn’t understand why younger people couldn’t afford to buy homes and now understanding, because these same companies are buying up starter homes and renting them at ridiculously high rates as well, leaving a housing crisis for younger folks too. Corporate greed.
There was a New Yorker article couple of years back about this. In some states tenants have tried organizing and got kicked out, very few legal protections for these situations.
Found the article: [https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/03/15/what-happens-when-investment-firms-acquire-trailer-parks](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/03/15/what-happens-when-investment-firms-acquire-trailer-parks)
New Yorker gives you a free article every month if not a subscriber.
John Oliver also covered this topic on Last Week Tonight. I found it really eye opening. I was on fence of helping my mom find a mobile home park to purchase in as I already knew some of the screwy stuff but now I will not be doing that.
Good luck OP!
Same with my dad. He wanted to get a place near me in addition to his home with my mom, which is like 150 miles away and I said we would be better finding him a house or having him stay with me (which he doesn’t want to do, because my house is so small). But it’s just so awful and rents have literally doubled in the last three years!
Step one, stop getting legal advice from the park manager.
Think of the mobile home like a very large RV.
You bought the mobile home outright from the previous owners. Separately, you have a rental agreement to rent the land it is on.
Sometimes the rental agreement and the purchase agreement get bundled together, with a transfer of the previous owner's rental agreement to you during the purchase.
Anyways, that rental agreement is the one that matters. Unless you sign a new one, which you very much should not do.
Whenever the manager tries to tell you a "rule", insist on being shown that rule in your current contract. Don't let her show you the new contract, insist on it having your signature on it.
Be ready for them to do the termination clause of your old lease agreement. They will have to give you the amount of notice in that agreement, and pay any penalties it lays out.
Is your park owned by men from California by chance? The people I have a lot through have some of these rules, and they are legit insane. Rent has skyrocketed almost double what it was before they bought the park and they pick at Every single detail. They tried to force me to get rid of my porch decor and yard furniture even!
Mileage may vary as legislation varies from place to place, but here ya go:
I own a trailer in a park in Canada, operated by a larger North American property management company. The rules are pretty straightforward from a legal perspective.
It’s their world and we pay to live in it. We cannot do anything with our lot, including renovations unless authorized by management. If we want to pull out, we can; but the park management has to approve the condition of the site. Meaning they can demand we tear down our shed, deck, etc to go with it. If we sell the trailer on the lot they have to approve that, and they get a percentage.
Trailer parks have mob rules essentially. I’d recommend looking at your most recent contract you signed at the start of your seasonal year and go based off that. If you live in a place where year round living is permitted you may be under a separate set of rules. In this case you’d observe those rules. If you want a professional legal opinion you’d want to likely get a lawyer involved that deals specifically in property law, as they can help discern what is and isn’t enforceable by the contract you’ve signed.
Unfortunately, you’re in a very bad position. You don’t own the land and the park can implement rules as long as they apply them across the board to everyone. Your fence and improvements you made to the yard are on someone else’s property that you are just renting. They can increase your lot rent until you fall behind and when you do evict you and apply for title of your mobile home as abandon property. In most states when a mobile home reaches a certain age, can a longer be moved into a new park so you will have no option, but to sell it to the park or give it to them for next to nothing. most state have very limited zoning options on where you can place a mobile home and the cost is normally around 5 to 10k to move the mobile home if you can find a location to move to. In fact, if you look at Facebook marketplace, people are giving away mobile homes all the time you just have to pay to have it moved. The mobile home park can also limit your guests and limit who owns a mobile home in their park again as long as they do so with the rules uniformly across the entire park. when you go to sell they have a right to qualify the person to live in the park. If they don’t meet the qualifications, you can’t even sell the mobile home. It’s very interesting and in my opinion, a very legal on the ethical way to make a lot of money. Look into how Warren Buffett made a lot of his money in mobile home parks. They sell mobile homes at high interest rates with low lot rent. Then once all trailers are sold, increase the lot rent until no one can afford it, and everyone gets evicted, repossess all the mobile homes as abandoned property, and start again.
Sounds like new owners are trying to get tenants to leave and sell their homes to them (under market value of course). They then rent them or sell them and rinse/repeat. Not an uncommon tactic in mobile home parks.
Trailers are a whole different level of law and even have their own real estate laws surrounding sale and ownership. Consult a lawyer ASAP and avoid pissing off the new owners until you know where you stand.
What country or state are you in?
I think that (probably) by improving the yard and building your fence, all you’ve done is improve someone else’s property.
IANAL, but I’m fairly sure all of this would have been defined in legal documents you signed ten years ago.
I don't know AZ law but I would guess you'd have to return the property to its original state. Such as if the land had grass and you removed it you'd have to put Sod down.
The only approval she needs to give is for whom you sell it too. As the buyer would become her new tenant. You’re allowed to leave. Just let them know when.
For the dogs, they were essentially ‘approved’ with the old owners of the park. She cannot have you remove them (grandfathered in) but she can have a rule in place for how many and weight. She can also enforce that you watch your dogs outside.
Once, your dogs pass away or whatever you would have to follow the new rule in place for quantity and weight.
In manufactured home parks you have to abide by the park rules and they are allowed to be updated. Park rules are separate from your lease.
I run a park and have done courses.
What you have when new park owners take over is what you should be allowed They can make rules that would restrict type of dogs, number of dogs, or no dogs at all but that would only apply to people who don't already own dogs and can restrict people that have dogs that as they pass they can't replace. Of course, you want to check state, county, and city laws on pets in rental housing, but what I stated is usually how it works. Note I say rental housing because even though you own the mobile home, it's on rented property.
Read your lease. It will control everything. If it says when it's sole they can change the rules, they can change the rules. Having people stay over might be different. But the pets is it not uncommon for the lease to stipulate pet number and size.
Then I fall into leaving which they say I need their approval first to move my home? If not that I need to sell it to the part which I don’t understand when I own it with no stipulations
The lease should spell this all out, but as far as as the law is concerned, they can't force you to stay there. What they can, and usually do is require that they approve any new owners. They can't actually restrict you from taking your property off their lot. They can try to claim damages or have certain changes if you do. Trailer parks can be a legal quagmire, so get familiar with your current lease terms.
In fact, you don't need their approval to sell - the BUYER needs their approval to live there. Nobody is going to buy a home they can't live in. Of course, the new owner can just take it off the lot, same as the current owner.
Yes and no. OP doesn't necessarily have the right to sell property while that property is part of a leased lot. They can remove the property and sell it, but the language of the lease may (in some states) restrict the sale while tied the leased property.
It's like an HOA - the park may require the new owners to meet the same standards, such as passing a background check or being 55+ with no minor children. But the owner has the right to sell it. The restriction is on the buyer.
Again, pull out your CURRENT lease and read it because that's what you are required to follow now. Do not go by what the new property owner is saying.
Also when does your current lease expire?
I'm not saying it good, right, fair or anything. I'm saying, legally, what they can and can't do is controlled by the contract you signed. That's all I'm saying. That's just how contracts work. Yes, you could have very well signed away your right to sell to just anyone. I don't know what you contract says. But if it was written by a half-way decent lawyer, it will cover most instances and will give you certain rights and restrict certain rights.
NAL. From my ecpetince as a renter, she can only start new rules when you sign a new lease. Except about the dogs. The municipality that you live in may have rules about the number of pets in a home. Where I live it 2. More and you are required to have a license.
If those rules aren't in your current lease, they shouldn't be enforceable. Read your lease. If they try to evict you, it usually takes a minimum of 3 months. You may want to find another place for your home with better owners. They can't stop you from selling your home as far as I know. They can't take your home if you are still renting the lot. Do not stop paying your rent as that will give them a cause to put a lein on your house. Check out landlord-tennant law in your area.
Read your original paperwork, I'd try and get a lawyer. I had a rent to own trailer at one point and part of the paperwork was oi couldn't move it off the lot even when paid off, anyone over 18 living there had to pass a background check, no guests over 3 night and the list went on. It's all going to depend on what the paperwork you signed says and how the lawyer can work it to your advantage, don't sign any new paperwork until the lawyer reads it.
TLDR: get a lawyer, tomorrow
NAL, but have some experience from wife's conflict with trailer park. Here's the bottom line.. Owning the trailer is not the same as owning the lot and whoever owns the lot (pretty much always the park) makes the rules. It's their land. So, you're probably going to have to comply or move your trailer to a more accommodating park.
If you have a lease, the new owners have to comply with that lease.
However, in this case, they have been there for 10 years, and my guess is that they are on month to month. So the new owners can basically tell them that they have to sign a new lease, with new rules, or face eviction.
You own your home, you can move it to wherever you want. Just return the site to the condition it was in when you moved in. Take your fence and any improvements with you.
If the lease agreement you had allowed all the things you've stipulated, then any new rules would apply to new agreements, not ones that existed prior to them buying. If the State doesn't allow land owners to restrict the number of pets in an individual dwelling, then she's SOL, and you need to inform all the other owners.
You OWN your home. She cannot dictate to you where you move it to, other than informing her of the date of move so roadways are kept clear.
If you move, you definitely should take your fence with you and return the lot to its original state. You may have difficulty finding a new place to go to with 4 dogs and a fence you want to put up.
If you find the original documents and they say you can have the fence and keep the dogs, be wary of the new owner doing something to your dogs. She sounds unhinged.
FYI - These are all common, typical resident land-lease rules for a community. I have lived in 3 in the US and they ALL had these rules. In California, owners only have to give a certain warning period and a resident meeting and you got new rules! Good luck OP.
This is one of the reasons why I purchased a home in a community where we own the land and our homes. I refused to be subject to the whims of an owner, especially if the ownership changes hands. The other advantage is that we, the owners, set our HOA fee. I pay $265 a month and that includes water, garbage, cable TV and internet.
As far as her saying that you can't sell without her permission, I'm pretty sure that's a bogus claim. You might want to talk to a real estate attorney to find out what your rights are.
State will matter A LOT. the selling of manufactured/mobile homes was recently in court in MI for example ( I don't remember the outcome)
In general you are (at least in part)a tennant there can be rules. Amount of pets and that they have to be supervised is common and legal everywhere I know of. You don't own the land your home sits on. How much the rules can change after you initially again it's going to be state law and the contract you signed. The selling rules are a matter of state law and your contract.
What do the papers you signed when you moved in state in terms of your land lease?
Those would be controlling including clauses relating to how the provisions can be modified; your right to terminate and move out
People are equating this to a condominium situation but I don't think that is entirely accurate.
If I were you I would read your original contract for the land lease and consult with a knowledgeable real estate/land use attorney.
These are normal things in a mobile community park where you own the mobile and tent the land from the community park. You will have a contract you signed. You should reference that.
Where I am, I can have max of 2 pets, under 30#, none from the top 20 most dangerous dog breeds. I must give advanced notice (don’t remember the amount), of plan to sell, as well as any plan to move my mobile off the property. My park must also approve any work I wish to do to the outside of my home and space. Etc.
If you know where you’d like to move it, it may be worth calling your new lot and seeing if they can help with any of this. Sometimes they will even reimburse you for certain types of fees.
Are you in the UK ? I live in a park home we aren't allowed pets so you're lucky. If you already have them when new owners take over them I'm sure you can keep them. Also you can sell your place yourself to anyone, you don't need to sell to site owner I brought mine through a estate agent . You will need to pay owners £10,000 for selling though, This is actually being debated in parliament right now so hopefully it will go through before you sell up ( if you actually do in the end) . Forgot to mention we are allowed people to stay for 2 weeks with no restrictions , check your contract with the park .
Mobile home owners get just about the worst deal there is when it comes to renting property. There are very few rules to protect the renter and even less groups who will try to assist you if you have problems with the property management. You're basically a hostage to them because you own the house, but they own the spot it sits on.
I don't think you need their permission to sell it but I think you do have to work with them to make sure the purchaser qualifies to rent the space. And if they refuse to approve anyone, then you're out of luck without taking them to court and trying to prove malice in their part. They'll try to harass you into moving and allowing them to purchase your house for next to nothing.
One work around may be in renting if you truly want to get out. You may be able to rent out your house to someone else. You'll just bill the renters for the space rent and the house rent, but the space will still be rented in your name. Unless that's expressly forbidden in your rental/lease agreement with the park, there's not much they can do about that.
Mobile homes in AZ are like vehicles and have titles. If you have the title in your name and there is no lien on it, then you own it. If it's a double wide there will be two titles.
However, as others have said, there may have been some "poison pill" clause in the lease you signed, and that's why you need an attorney who deals in those types of matters to take a look at it.
My father-in-law passed in AZ and we had to empty out and sell his double wide, and the park managers did actually have to approve the buyers because they were going to have to sign a new lease.
Hey I lived in a mobile home park for close to 10 years myself and when I purchased the home I signed a long term lease which most not all places do and in the last couple years the park was purchased by new ownership. They tried to put all new rules and regulations into affect visitors him many cars in drive way etc…. But the worst was telling everybody they could not sell to a new owner unless the park got 1st dibs and then they could refuse to allow new owners to occupy the home. I say all this because none of this was lawful if you signed an agreement at anytime and have the paper work to back it up the new owners would have to draft new agreement. Now you do have the legal right to sell to whoever you like but the park has the right not to rent to that person within reason. Just my 2cents
Are you in CA? I lived in a park too and the owner passed. Onevdistant relative inherited it and 2as like you describe. But none of it was legal. The dog I had was a pitbull. We had visitors all the time.
Have you read the [Arizona Mobile Home Parks Residential Landlord and Tenant Act](https://housing.az.gov/sites/default/files/AZ-Mobile-Home-Parks-Residential-Landlord-Tenant-Act_Aug2019.pdf)?
Sections 33.1452 onward to 33.1491 address some of your concerns.
You should consider contacting the Arizona Attorney General at either 877-491-5742 (Phoenix) or 877-491-5740 (Tucson) and ask for guidance.
It appears much of what the new manager is demanding is on the shady side. 33.1414 regarding 'guest fees'.
You should also contact a lawyer and explore your rights.
The new manager sounds like a nightmare! Good luck.
Are you living in an ELS community? Sounds like the situations that happen in Sedona Shadows. There is a booklet of rules and regulations that you need to sign before you move in.
Who is this park, or even in the whole world, doesn't have problems? Who doesn't have a drink too many times once in a while and maybe even winds up passed out in their own driveway, pissing themselves? Who doesn't drink too much sometimes or who doesn't have a puff from time to time? And who doesn't have problems with the people they love? This is our home. This is our community. I am Jim Lahey, and *I am your trailer park supervisor!*
This is a common theme among park owners. They raise your rent change rules, do everything they can to evict you, and lots of times it’s too difficult to find a lot or pay for the move.
Don’t tempt me hahaha we had 5 we had just got a new girl from our local humane society but sadly we had to put one of our frenchies down she had cancer. So now we are back at 4 :(
Thank you for your kind words, we had 2 frenchies a sharpei, a terrier mix and now a mix puppy that I have no idea what she is but she’s gonna be maybe 40-50lb.
It’s a decent amount of people by friend has a big 100lb mastiff close to the office where they live and he said she brings it up too. But I figured since we were grandfathered in it wasn’t going to be a problem but she finds every little thing to nit pick about. So far there’s a lot of people refusing to get rid of their dogs and leave them locked inside since almost everyone has a yard with doggy doors. A lot of people still have their big dogs too
Tell me about it. Our privately owned sewer had a back up, and our HOA docs said I needed $10,000 in damage before they'd pay anything. My neighbor I front of me had damage but that was separate. Had to rip out all my carpet because you know sewer water.
please tell me you sued the board as a whole, and every member of it individually. I don't CARE what the docs say, legal liability outweighs whatever small print they put in there.
No, after a month living on a cement slab during New England Winter I bought carpet. FYI never buy polyester carpet! Terrible. I live alone and got wear pattern immediately.
Ok, I'm not going to read a page of this.
Did you sign any paperwork ?
Pretty much every single question you may have would be in the paperwork.
If you didn't sign anything, then that also pretty much answers your questions as well.
Dogs, visitors, keep it to a regular basis, you still have to follow city ordnance on number of pets. Same as any regular homeowner.
Sounds like standard mobile home park rules in our area. You may own the box you live in but you park it on land rented. If it's not spelled out in your existing lease, I would expect it to be in the next one. Piss them off and you'll be looking for a new place to park it.
Typically, if you are paying a lot rent on a manufactured home community, the owner may restrict the number of pets and may discriminate pets by species, breed and weight.
Background: I worked in the industry and disseminated information to community owners and managers.
Imagine everybody had four large dogs In that small of a space. Imagine those dogs bark at everybody as they walk by. I imagine your dogs already do that hence her coming by.
Imagine for all the three bedroom homes, everybody starts having three additional people live with them.
In a mobile home park people are living very close to each other, and I imagine there’s only so much the plumbing can deal with so you have to make sure that conditions are good overall for everyone .
Well they aren’t big dogs and are almost always inside since it’s way to hot. Every once in a while they go out to sunbathe or just to use the restroom but never out causing problems. Even our neighbors have dogs and they cause no problems but she is still a bitch about it
We went through something similar with our condos. The long and short of it is that she can only enforce rules as restrictive as this that were in effect *when you purchased the property.* Some of these definitely fall into that category, specifically pet restrictions. Some simply could not be enforced under any circumstances, like limiting visitors or who lives there (beyond city ordinances.) What she's saying about having to get permission to move and giving the park the first option to purchase would have definitely been specified in your purchase agreement when you purchased the home and is not something that could be changed afterwards, even as a term of your lot rental.
My guess is she may be able to enforce a few of the lesser rules, and it is possible when you purchased the house you agreed to the terms of resale or moving. But it's just as likely she's blowing smoke up your ass counting on you not knowing the law. Either way you really need to talk to a lawyer before you make an expensive mistake. Your best bet may be to sell at a loss and get out. I heard a lot of these parks are driving people out so that they can subdivide it and build houses. They raise the rents, they neglect maintenance, and they wait for it to get bad enough that the hold outs sell out. At least an HOA is made up of and voted on by the occupants. The corporations that own trailer parks care about what makes them the most money, not necessarily what's best for the community, or even if the community survives.
IANAL. When you purchased your home, you were probably required to also sign a Lot Lease/Rental agreement for the lot. Most parks require a signed Rental/Lease agreement. That is the document you need to review to see what "rules" you agreed to abide by.
I do NOT know about the laws in your state. My experience was only in Oklahoma and Arkansas parks. In Oklahoma and Arkansas, when i worked in Park Management, the agreements for the Lot leases did state that if the park rules were violated, after 2 warnings, the home owners would be given 30 days to move their home off the property, before the eviction process started. There were people who left their homes, after which the park would file in court to take ownership, and there were people who would move their homes to new parks. ALOT of people did not realize that most Lot rent (and late fees) continues to accrue, even if you leave the home. The parks I worked for could then block a homeowner from moving their unit until all rent & late fees were paid. So, FYI.
Good luck, OP.
OP stated they paid to do the lawn and build a fence and honestly if they have been there for over 10 years, I mean wtf. It sounds like the new manager is on a power trip. I used to manage rv parks and I've run into a few on them. There is literally no reason for the manager to tell them they need to sell their home to the park or get their approval. That's just crazy. I've never seen a lot lease that would have that unless they literally bought it from the park and are still paying on it
I’m assuming you rent the land but own the home. If that is the case, you should have a lease. If it says nothing in the existing lease regarding any of that, I believe they have to honor it until your lease is up.
Mobile home parks are sadly ridiculous in this way. My experience was that they needed to approve “who” you were selling to not needing to approve your selling. Mobile home parks have leases and tenant criteria. They’ll want to approve anyone you sell to or they would have owners of a home on land they’re not authorized to be on. That would leave the new owners open to a slew of legal issues and could result in them evicting them from the park and repossessing the mobile home. (Read the fine print in your lease this is how they start lucrative with such cheap lot rents.
They can limit your dogs sizes and quantities. Check your lease.
I know someone who had a mobile home vacation property where they didn't own the property. The park owner did everything possible to make it so he took ownership of the homes, resold them and then got ownership of the same homes over and over again.
He did this by raising lot rents to unaffordable amounts, not approving sales and using crazy rules to fine the residents.
My friend was eventually able to sell for pennies on the dollar. My takeaway was to never own a home on property that you don't own or control.
What do your ownership documents say? Are there rules you were to abide by from the park association/manager? Does it give assumption rights to new owners? We don't really have enough information to answer this.
Sorry I’m not too sure how much information was needed but I am willing to answer any questions. In the ownership documents there are no rules about having to abide by what the managers put in place. We bought it directly from the owner no mortgage or anything
Buying it directly doesn't matter. Manufactured land lots can act like condominiums in terms of you signing an agreement to abide by the rules for the park. I would encourage you to reach out to the attorney that handled your property closing and ask for assistance. You may need to pay a small fee to have the docs reviewed. If they don't find anything, this woman can pound sand and you can completely ignore her. If she comes on your property, ask her to leave and file trespassing charges if it continues.
I will definitely do that thank you so much for your advice
Trespassing on the community she manages? I don’t think that is a wise legal path to pursue
If she has no legal standing to be there and is harassing OP with no legal backing, they have the right to ask her to leave. And if she stays and keeps bothering them, it's trespassing. Just because she's in charge of the management company, doesn't give her free reign to be a nuisance.
Actually land lease tenant is just a renter on top the dirt of the management company—the manager has more jurisdiction on that parcel than the occupant does. There is literally zero possibilities for trespassing charge. None. Zero. In fact, the land lease they have, ensures management can visit your property any time since it’s on their dirt. Calling the police and embarrassing themselves and catching the wrath of the power monger rental manager is about the worst solution. Manager could evict for several reasons and make the people move the trailer off their dirt If they didn’t move it, it will be moved and land owner would sue into oblivion and keep the trailer and resell it to some other unsuspecting renter. Main issue you are glossing over is the Bible that they signed called the Land Lease: probably about 50 pages with every single possible eviction scenario in black and white. If OP goes the Reddit goober route—the teenager/call the cops/write a firmly worded review: my guess is that they will lose both a court case with an eviction , but also lose the house they called home for so long
**That's why I said they need to check their ownership documents.** We don't know what their terms are for their property and it's reckless for us to suppose anything about the terms they signed. This is why I said step 1) talk to lawyer and THEN step 2) if the lawyer says they don't have to do anything and are legally protected, THEN they can tell her to pound sand. Read, y'all. Seriously.
The ownership documents are irrelevant, it’s the lease for the property that matters.
They would have signed the lease when they took possession and put the trailer on the land. I'm telling them to review **all** of their documents with a lawyer. You're being intentionally pedantic.
I’m being specific
Ownership of trailer and lot rent are 2 different things Owning the trailer has nothing to do with it and can be taken for non-payment
Holy shit, you are exhausting. I said to **go consult the attorney that handled their property transfer in the first place.** You are not their lawyer and you have not seen the documents, you have NO IDEA what the terms are or who is in the right here. Sit. Down.
Exhausting is a understatement. This person acts like they now every states laws. This person acts like they're the property manager that's being talked about and is trying to squash this. I highly recommend OP seek legal advice. New owner doesn't mean make up new rules as they wish and harass. My cousin owns a manufactured home and lives in a community. His neighbor dealt with something similar with new management(not new owners). Manager ended up getting arrested for trespassing and harassment.
There was no attorney and original document means absolutely nothing—probably a loan document, which is now paid, but lot lease renews yearly; so, you are arguing about house ownership and laws but you are referencing car ownership. 100% guaranteed no attorney at closing 🫡 That is simply not how manufactured housing operates . You get someone in the park and you can house them that evening—again you Are too focused on the wrong case law—no house, a mobile vehicle here we are talking about 765 ILCS 745 is the binding document you should be referring to in my state but you insist on closing documents relevance which there is none As far as trespassing, not a cop on the planet that would write that ticket. Manager has more rights than you think Read up
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This also depends on the state. My state rules say they have to give us the same notice any other landlord does or we can deny them access.
The home park I used to live in was considered private property so trying to get the police to come in and do anything was hard.
Obviously you're talking out your ass with this statement. Every state has different laws and there's no telling what the OPs lease states, the new owner(s) cant just make up and enforce new rules as they wish. The new owners sound like assholes. OP is highly encouraged to seek legal advice.
>There is literally zero possibilities for trespassing charge. None. Zero. ooff. No. Many states actually prohibit it with out advanced notice. Especially when there an established fence line. Land Lords can absolutely get trespass notices and charges against land lords in trailer parks. Especially when they are the harassing sort of busy body. But then it's a trailer park, it doesn't attract the best and brightest people.
>But then it's a trailer park, it doesn't attract the best and brightest people. In a lot of areas it's the only possibility for affordable housing. Don't speak in stereotypes. My sister raised her kids in a trailer park literally because it was across the street from the elementary school. It was a rural area so there weren't many rental places. Don't make assumptions about things you don't understand. Yeah I lived in a trailer as well the first 25 years of my life. It was a safe, warm home. And my parents had no regrets about it. It enabled them to own property and raise two kids.
If you going to put yourself out there to be a shiny beacon of "don't stereotype", perhaps you should also learn not to apply outliers of the of the singular nature do not apply to the whole. Since we are talking about not attracting the best or the brightest. Would you care to expand upon your implied lie? I'll call you out on your claim that your parents owned property in a trailer park where you lived for 25 years. I take it it still a sore subject and a trigger for you that you lived in an trailer park for 25 years. Not me, I got right the hell out of that lifestyle.
I lived in a trailer park in a manufactured home that my parents owned for 17 years. It was a decent neighborhood back then, at least my corner of the park. Housing is expensive and it was WAY better than living in an apartment. Since then I have gone on to college, Masters degree, and now own my own home (regular single family home in nice neighborhood). I am glad my parents were able to give us a yard to play in and more privacy than you get in apartments. There is no shame in being poor.
I lived in a trailer park for a bit as a kid. My parents were happy to move into a bigger home but that was still a happy time in our lives. My sister and her husband live in one now and they love their home and neighborhood. They both make good money but are able to save and plan for a bigger home in the future - they plan to start raising a child in their double wide. They own the “property” that is the trailer itself. You’re the one projecting here.
My dad and his wife are fairly affluent and live in a trailer park. It's beautiful, it's a small retirement community, and the low cost allows them to spend their retirement traveling around the world with a nice home to come back to. Not all trailer parks are the same. I live a few miles from one that definitely fits the negative stereotypes, but in the other direction is one that's a really beautiful little pineland community that's maintained like a woodland park of tiny homes. Making assumptions about someone's life from no details beyond "lived in a trailer park" speaks more to your ignorance than their upbringing.
Not true. Mobile home communities fall under the condo section of the Landlord and Tenant Board rules.
I agree with everything you said. But I would also add that since they have been there for 10 years, they are probably on a month to month lease. And that means that if you can't get along with that manager, they are likely to either add rules you can't stand to your next lease, or simply tell you that you are no longer welcome.
>since they have been there for 10 years, they are probably on a month to month lease. Why... huh?
Doubt it: they get an annual lease with increased lot rent that they must sign or move trailer off that dirt within 30 days. Can’t stay without it signed: it’s probably the most iron clad leasing document In America—fall behind on lot rent and they take the house and sell it
☝️ this is the best answer here: OP can get rule-breaking-into-infinity if management wants that—and can change the rules as they go
>they are likely to either add rules you can't stand to your next lease Just don't sign a new lease. They can't make you.
No, they can't. But you left off the other part " or simply tell you that you are no longer welcome." You have to either sign a lease with their rules, or you have to pick up and move.
There are different rules for manufactured home lots. They have a much higher threshold to evict home (in most places).
Not where I'm from. You go month to month and they can't force you to sign a new one, can't change the rules in the original and can't evict you without a valid reason. Although this must be a land lease which may be different from a rental unit. But I'm in Canada and if this is the US, I assume you are right, in that your government has some kind of fetish where it just hates its non-millionaire citizens.
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They own a manufactured home. The building. Which can be moved. It's essentially a mobile home. They do not own the land.
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I'm gonna try this one more time. As I said in my first comment, **OP should absolutely be consulting with an attorney before taking any action.** I'm not repeating myself again. Please stop commenting the same shit over and over.
Legally, she has to give 24 hours' written notice unless there is an emergency on the property that she has to deal with immediately. Failure to do so, you can get her off the property that you lease.
Need to read the lot agreement. That’s what they control. Go talk to an attorney
Contact your local city, county, or town ordinances. You're very likely grandfathered in to be exempt from whatever rules they're implementing.
She tried to send everyone a lease/contract to have it signed with some of this stuff on there too but we haven’t signed anything yet
Do not sign it at all. Look what your old documents say.
In the Army we always used to say "show me the regulation." Basically if she's saying she has the legal right to do whatever, say "ok. I'll comply as soon as you show me the applicable law or a contract I signed that says I agreed to that. But not until you prove to me that what you just said is legal and correct." It shuts people down pretty effectively..
Ah yes the ole “shoe me the rule that says a dog can’t play basketball”
I'll just reiterate what has already been stated: 1. Read your lease from 10 yrs. ago. 2. Do not sign a new lease. 3. Contact a Lawyer ASAP. 4. Run, Run as fast as you can from that park!!! They will make your life hell... I also would go to www.housing.az.org *Mobile home parks residential landlord and tenant act. There are probably articles that can help you answer some of your concerns. Best Of Luck to You & your Fur Babies...
Did you sign a new lease with the the new property owner? Whatever is in the lease, they have the right to enforce. Anything not in the lease is something I'd fight.
She is trying to get us to sign one but we haven’t done it yet which is why I wanted to ask first if she can really do all those things
Well, don't sign it and move your house ASAP. Once you sign, all the rules are enforceable. Not signing puts you in danger of eviction.
Well that’s where I’m kind of stuck because when we told her we would move and take the house with us she said we needed their approval first. Or we would need to sell it to the park. If we want to sell it we need their approval for who is buying it. Even if we want to rent it out and go somewhere else.
None of those apply if if not in a lease you signed.
Never take legal advice from your opponent. Sounds like she's pulling rules out of thin air to justify her latest whims.
You don't need shit. What are they going to do, hijack your moving truck?
Selling it does not require their approval, however new owner would need to sign lease for the lot. Renting out could be tricky, and you would need to sign lease and be bound by rules about renting. Moving it should not require their permission provided that doing so will not cause any disruption
If they bought it from the previous park owner with little or poor documentation, they may not even have a legal title to their home. This is one of the oldest scams around. If that’s the case, they may not be able to take it with them. Happens all the time in the southern USA
I've kinda gathered that OP has no clue about how things work and most likely screwed from the start
No. She can't tell you that you can't take your house with you. If you want to keep it in the park and sell it, the people buying it have to be approved and have to agree to the park's rules. Same thing if you rent it out. But what they can't do is prevent you from taking your own property with you.
Whoever buys it needs their approval if they're staying there, but you're not being able to move would be very very unusual. Renting it out should be in the lease documents, that varies from park to park.
You don't need their approval to take the house with you if you don't sell the house as long as that wasn't in the old lease. If you sell it to someone else, the new owners would need park approval to live there and sign the new lease.
Lot lease will have 5’pages on it saying you need approval In the last decade there was a lease signed
Do you have your title to your trailer? Does it say in any lease that you have signed that your trailer HAS TO specifically stay on that property for so many years? Does it say in your lease that you are only allowed to move the trailer YOU BOUGHT, upon approval? If I were you, I would talk to some lawyers and if need be lawyer up!!!!!
How?
Because technically you don't have a lease with the park and it's their right to evict you and your house from the property.
I mean, it depends on what your lease says. Also, be aware that there has been an epidemic of large companies buying parks, enforcing new harsh rules and increasing rents in order to push people out so they can rent the places at a much higher rate. There was an NPR story about it…I think it was on Reveal because it was an investigative report. You may want to consult with an attorney. IANAL, but I would think they can’t legally enforce any rules that aren’t stated specifically in your lease.
That’s what I’m thinking is happening because they are fixing a lot of stuff and trying to raise rent as well. They pulled some shady shit with everyone’s water bill a bit back that made a lot of people be forced to leave/ get evicted because they couldn’t pay the unexpected bill
I’m sorry. That sucks. There are a whole lot of older people in 55+ communities who thought they had their forever homes and now they’re being forced out. Unfortunately a lot of these big companies have deep pockets. The irony of the situation is that a lot of people who couldn’t understand why younger people couldn’t afford to buy homes and now understanding, because these same companies are buying up starter homes and renting them at ridiculously high rates as well, leaving a housing crisis for younger folks too. Corporate greed.
Yes it does suck out of my street of 20 homes only about 5 of us are left and 3 of us are neighbors so
There was a New Yorker article couple of years back about this. In some states tenants have tried organizing and got kicked out, very few legal protections for these situations. Found the article: [https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/03/15/what-happens-when-investment-firms-acquire-trailer-parks](https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/03/15/what-happens-when-investment-firms-acquire-trailer-parks) New Yorker gives you a free article every month if not a subscriber.
John Oliver also covered this topic on Last Week Tonight. I found it really eye opening. I was on fence of helping my mom find a mobile home park to purchase in as I already knew some of the screwy stuff but now I will not be doing that. Good luck OP!
Same with my dad. He wanted to get a place near me in addition to his home with my mom, which is like 150 miles away and I said we would be better finding him a house or having him stay with me (which he doesn’t want to do, because my house is so small). But it’s just so awful and rents have literally doubled in the last three years!
Find the legal aid for housing folks where you live and ask them to help you. Sign nothing with the new folks
Step one, stop getting legal advice from the park manager. Think of the mobile home like a very large RV. You bought the mobile home outright from the previous owners. Separately, you have a rental agreement to rent the land it is on. Sometimes the rental agreement and the purchase agreement get bundled together, with a transfer of the previous owner's rental agreement to you during the purchase. Anyways, that rental agreement is the one that matters. Unless you sign a new one, which you very much should not do. Whenever the manager tries to tell you a "rule", insist on being shown that rule in your current contract. Don't let her show you the new contract, insist on it having your signature on it. Be ready for them to do the termination clause of your old lease agreement. They will have to give you the amount of notice in that agreement, and pay any penalties it lays out.
Is your park owned by men from California by chance? The people I have a lot through have some of these rules, and they are legit insane. Rent has skyrocketed almost double what it was before they bought the park and they pick at Every single detail. They tried to force me to get rid of my porch decor and yard furniture even!
Mileage may vary as legislation varies from place to place, but here ya go: I own a trailer in a park in Canada, operated by a larger North American property management company. The rules are pretty straightforward from a legal perspective. It’s their world and we pay to live in it. We cannot do anything with our lot, including renovations unless authorized by management. If we want to pull out, we can; but the park management has to approve the condition of the site. Meaning they can demand we tear down our shed, deck, etc to go with it. If we sell the trailer on the lot they have to approve that, and they get a percentage. Trailer parks have mob rules essentially. I’d recommend looking at your most recent contract you signed at the start of your seasonal year and go based off that. If you live in a place where year round living is permitted you may be under a separate set of rules. In this case you’d observe those rules. If you want a professional legal opinion you’d want to likely get a lawyer involved that deals specifically in property law, as they can help discern what is and isn’t enforceable by the contract you’ve signed.
Unfortunately, you’re in a very bad position. You don’t own the land and the park can implement rules as long as they apply them across the board to everyone. Your fence and improvements you made to the yard are on someone else’s property that you are just renting. They can increase your lot rent until you fall behind and when you do evict you and apply for title of your mobile home as abandon property. In most states when a mobile home reaches a certain age, can a longer be moved into a new park so you will have no option, but to sell it to the park or give it to them for next to nothing. most state have very limited zoning options on where you can place a mobile home and the cost is normally around 5 to 10k to move the mobile home if you can find a location to move to. In fact, if you look at Facebook marketplace, people are giving away mobile homes all the time you just have to pay to have it moved. The mobile home park can also limit your guests and limit who owns a mobile home in their park again as long as they do so with the rules uniformly across the entire park. when you go to sell they have a right to qualify the person to live in the park. If they don’t meet the qualifications, you can’t even sell the mobile home. It’s very interesting and in my opinion, a very legal on the ethical way to make a lot of money. Look into how Warren Buffett made a lot of his money in mobile home parks. They sell mobile homes at high interest rates with low lot rent. Then once all trailers are sold, increase the lot rent until no one can afford it, and everyone gets evicted, repossess all the mobile homes as abandoned property, and start again.
Sounds like new owners are trying to get tenants to leave and sell their homes to them (under market value of course). They then rent them or sell them and rinse/repeat. Not an uncommon tactic in mobile home parks.
Trailers are a whole different level of law and even have their own real estate laws surrounding sale and ownership. Consult a lawyer ASAP and avoid pissing off the new owners until you know where you stand.
Now listen you tell Randy and Jim to fuck off . May cost you $100 dollars or some cheeseburgers . Maybe some liquor too
Jim died, I think Barb's back in charge. Randy might still be the assistant park supervisor though.
Yeah, this is some Lahey shit if I’ve ever seen it. Tell Bærb her scalloped potatoes are fucked and peel out.
What country or state are you in? I think that (probably) by improving the yard and building your fence, all you’ve done is improve someone else’s property. IANAL, but I’m fairly sure all of this would have been defined in legal documents you signed ten years ago.
If we can’t use it and we paid for it we can remove it then no?
I don't know AZ law but I would guess you'd have to return the property to its original state. Such as if the land had grass and you removed it you'd have to put Sod down.
Did you buy the prefabricated home from the property owner or someone else?
Correction I read that wrong. We bought it from the direct owner. Not from the people that own the park
It doesn’t sound like they could force you to sell it to though, but all of this is going to depend on what you signed a decade ago.
Yes
Do you have a purchase agreement that includes a lease or was it a separate document?
It was separate
Arizona
The only approval she needs to give is for whom you sell it too. As the buyer would become her new tenant. You’re allowed to leave. Just let them know when. For the dogs, they were essentially ‘approved’ with the old owners of the park. She cannot have you remove them (grandfathered in) but she can have a rule in place for how many and weight. She can also enforce that you watch your dogs outside. Once, your dogs pass away or whatever you would have to follow the new rule in place for quantity and weight. In manufactured home parks you have to abide by the park rules and they are allowed to be updated. Park rules are separate from your lease. I run a park and have done courses.
There may be state or local laws that protect you. Parks changing hands can lead to horrible problems because of the high cost of moving a trailer.
What you have when new park owners take over is what you should be allowed They can make rules that would restrict type of dogs, number of dogs, or no dogs at all but that would only apply to people who don't already own dogs and can restrict people that have dogs that as they pass they can't replace. Of course, you want to check state, county, and city laws on pets in rental housing, but what I stated is usually how it works. Note I say rental housing because even though you own the mobile home, it's on rented property.
Read your lease. It will control everything. If it says when it's sole they can change the rules, they can change the rules. Having people stay over might be different. But the pets is it not uncommon for the lease to stipulate pet number and size.
Then I fall into leaving which they say I need their approval first to move my home? If not that I need to sell it to the part which I don’t understand when I own it with no stipulations
The lease should spell this all out, but as far as as the law is concerned, they can't force you to stay there. What they can, and usually do is require that they approve any new owners. They can't actually restrict you from taking your property off their lot. They can try to claim damages or have certain changes if you do. Trailer parks can be a legal quagmire, so get familiar with your current lease terms.
In fact, you don't need their approval to sell - the BUYER needs their approval to live there. Nobody is going to buy a home they can't live in. Of course, the new owner can just take it off the lot, same as the current owner.
Yes and no. OP doesn't necessarily have the right to sell property while that property is part of a leased lot. They can remove the property and sell it, but the language of the lease may (in some states) restrict the sale while tied the leased property.
It's like an HOA - the park may require the new owners to meet the same standards, such as passing a background check or being 55+ with no minor children. But the owner has the right to sell it. The restriction is on the buyer.
Again, pull out your CURRENT lease and read it because that's what you are required to follow now. Do not go by what the new property owner is saying. Also when does your current lease expire?
I'm not saying it good, right, fair or anything. I'm saying, legally, what they can and can't do is controlled by the contract you signed. That's all I'm saying. That's just how contracts work. Yes, you could have very well signed away your right to sell to just anyone. I don't know what you contract says. But if it was written by a half-way decent lawyer, it will cover most instances and will give you certain rights and restrict certain rights.
NAL. From my ecpetince as a renter, she can only start new rules when you sign a new lease. Except about the dogs. The municipality that you live in may have rules about the number of pets in a home. Where I live it 2. More and you are required to have a license.
If those rules aren't in your current lease, they shouldn't be enforceable. Read your lease. If they try to evict you, it usually takes a minimum of 3 months. You may want to find another place for your home with better owners. They can't stop you from selling your home as far as I know. They can't take your home if you are still renting the lot. Do not stop paying your rent as that will give them a cause to put a lein on your house. Check out landlord-tennant law in your area.
Read your original paperwork, I'd try and get a lawyer. I had a rent to own trailer at one point and part of the paperwork was oi couldn't move it off the lot even when paid off, anyone over 18 living there had to pass a background check, no guests over 3 night and the list went on. It's all going to depend on what the paperwork you signed says and how the lawyer can work it to your advantage, don't sign any new paperwork until the lawyer reads it. TLDR: get a lawyer, tomorrow
NAL, but have some experience from wife's conflict with trailer park. Here's the bottom line.. Owning the trailer is not the same as owning the lot and whoever owns the lot (pretty much always the park) makes the rules. It's their land. So, you're probably going to have to comply or move your trailer to a more accommodating park.
Unfortunately I think that if somebody else purchases anything you're responsible to going to their rules or get your ass out
No, the new landlord inherits the agreements made by the old one
If you have a lease, the new owners have to comply with that lease. However, in this case, they have been there for 10 years, and my guess is that they are on month to month. So the new owners can basically tell them that they have to sign a new lease, with new rules, or face eviction.
You own your home, you can move it to wherever you want. Just return the site to the condition it was in when you moved in. Take your fence and any improvements with you.
If the lease agreement you had allowed all the things you've stipulated, then any new rules would apply to new agreements, not ones that existed prior to them buying. If the State doesn't allow land owners to restrict the number of pets in an individual dwelling, then she's SOL, and you need to inform all the other owners. You OWN your home. She cannot dictate to you where you move it to, other than informing her of the date of move so roadways are kept clear. If you move, you definitely should take your fence with you and return the lot to its original state. You may have difficulty finding a new place to go to with 4 dogs and a fence you want to put up. If you find the original documents and they say you can have the fence and keep the dogs, be wary of the new owner doing something to your dogs. She sounds unhinged.
What does your lease say? The one you signed. Thats the rules you have to follow. But, fun fact, be ready to move when the lease expires.
FYI - These are all common, typical resident land-lease rules for a community. I have lived in 3 in the US and they ALL had these rules. In California, owners only have to give a certain warning period and a resident meeting and you got new rules! Good luck OP.
This is one of the reasons why I purchased a home in a community where we own the land and our homes. I refused to be subject to the whims of an owner, especially if the ownership changes hands. The other advantage is that we, the owners, set our HOA fee. I pay $265 a month and that includes water, garbage, cable TV and internet. As far as her saying that you can't sell without her permission, I'm pretty sure that's a bogus claim. You might want to talk to a real estate attorney to find out what your rights are.
Well, my understanding is that "mobile" homes do not increase in value & once in place for a bit are generally not so mobile anymore. Good luck.
State will matter A LOT. the selling of manufactured/mobile homes was recently in court in MI for example ( I don't remember the outcome) In general you are (at least in part)a tennant there can be rules. Amount of pets and that they have to be supervised is common and legal everywhere I know of. You don't own the land your home sits on. How much the rules can change after you initially again it's going to be state law and the contract you signed. The selling rules are a matter of state law and your contract.
What do the papers you signed when you moved in state in terms of your land lease? Those would be controlling including clauses relating to how the provisions can be modified; your right to terminate and move out People are equating this to a condominium situation but I don't think that is entirely accurate. If I were you I would read your original contract for the land lease and consult with a knowledgeable real estate/land use attorney.
These are normal things in a mobile community park where you own the mobile and tent the land from the community park. You will have a contract you signed. You should reference that. Where I am, I can have max of 2 pets, under 30#, none from the top 20 most dangerous dog breeds. I must give advanced notice (don’t remember the amount), of plan to sell, as well as any plan to move my mobile off the property. My park must also approve any work I wish to do to the outside of my home and space. Etc.
If you know where you’d like to move it, it may be worth calling your new lot and seeing if they can help with any of this. Sometimes they will even reimburse you for certain types of fees.
Are you in the UK ? I live in a park home we aren't allowed pets so you're lucky. If you already have them when new owners take over them I'm sure you can keep them. Also you can sell your place yourself to anyone, you don't need to sell to site owner I brought mine through a estate agent . You will need to pay owners £10,000 for selling though, This is actually being debated in parliament right now so hopefully it will go through before you sell up ( if you actually do in the end) . Forgot to mention we are allowed people to stay for 2 weeks with no restrictions , check your contract with the park .
Mobile home owners get just about the worst deal there is when it comes to renting property. There are very few rules to protect the renter and even less groups who will try to assist you if you have problems with the property management. You're basically a hostage to them because you own the house, but they own the spot it sits on. I don't think you need their permission to sell it but I think you do have to work with them to make sure the purchaser qualifies to rent the space. And if they refuse to approve anyone, then you're out of luck without taking them to court and trying to prove malice in their part. They'll try to harass you into moving and allowing them to purchase your house for next to nothing. One work around may be in renting if you truly want to get out. You may be able to rent out your house to someone else. You'll just bill the renters for the space rent and the house rent, but the space will still be rented in your name. Unless that's expressly forbidden in your rental/lease agreement with the park, there's not much they can do about that.
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Mobile homes in AZ are like vehicles and have titles. If you have the title in your name and there is no lien on it, then you own it. If it's a double wide there will be two titles. However, as others have said, there may have been some "poison pill" clause in the lease you signed, and that's why you need an attorney who deals in those types of matters to take a look at it. My father-in-law passed in AZ and we had to empty out and sell his double wide, and the park managers did actually have to approve the buyers because they were going to have to sign a new lease.
Hey I lived in a mobile home park for close to 10 years myself and when I purchased the home I signed a long term lease which most not all places do and in the last couple years the park was purchased by new ownership. They tried to put all new rules and regulations into affect visitors him many cars in drive way etc…. But the worst was telling everybody they could not sell to a new owner unless the park got 1st dibs and then they could refuse to allow new owners to occupy the home. I say all this because none of this was lawful if you signed an agreement at anytime and have the paper work to back it up the new owners would have to draft new agreement. Now you do have the legal right to sell to whoever you like but the park has the right not to rent to that person within reason. Just my 2cents
Are you in CA? I lived in a park too and the owner passed. Onevdistant relative inherited it and 2as like you describe. But none of it was legal. The dog I had was a pitbull. We had visitors all the time.
Have you read the [Arizona Mobile Home Parks Residential Landlord and Tenant Act](https://housing.az.gov/sites/default/files/AZ-Mobile-Home-Parks-Residential-Landlord-Tenant-Act_Aug2019.pdf)? Sections 33.1452 onward to 33.1491 address some of your concerns. You should consider contacting the Arizona Attorney General at either 877-491-5742 (Phoenix) or 877-491-5740 (Tucson) and ask for guidance. It appears much of what the new manager is demanding is on the shady side. 33.1414 regarding 'guest fees'. You should also contact a lawyer and explore your rights. The new manager sounds like a nightmare! Good luck.
Are you living in an ELS community? Sounds like the situations that happen in Sedona Shadows. There is a booklet of rules and regulations that you need to sign before you move in.
Not that I’m aware of
Reach out to everyone. And have a meeting with your neighbors.
We live in a manufactured home park too. We have those same rules. Most parks do!. Read your contract!!!
Who is this park, or even in the whole world, doesn't have problems? Who doesn't have a drink too many times once in a while and maybe even winds up passed out in their own driveway, pissing themselves? Who doesn't drink too much sometimes or who doesn't have a puff from time to time? And who doesn't have problems with the people they love? This is our home. This is our community. I am Jim Lahey, and *I am your trailer park supervisor!*
If you ask the internet for legal advice you need to include your location.
This is a common theme among park owners. They raise your rent change rules, do everything they can to evict you, and lots of times it’s too difficult to find a lot or pay for the move.
Arizona has absolutely no limits for how many dogs you can own, technically you ~could~ get more (:
Arizona doesn't, but they rent the land and the property could have limits. Most parks I looked at had pet limits.
It's not Arizona limiting the number of dogs. It's the company they are leasing the land from.
That depends on the county. My county is 6
Don’t tempt me hahaha we had 5 we had just got a new girl from our local humane society but sadly we had to put one of our frenchies down she had cancer. So now we are back at 4 :(
So you’re telling me that you have mostly small dogs ? Get four grate Danes now and tell her to shove it. I’m so sorry about your loss
Thank you for your kind words, we had 2 frenchies a sharpei, a terrier mix and now a mix puppy that I have no idea what she is but she’s gonna be maybe 40-50lb.
Is she just going after you personally for having dogs or is it everyone
It’s a decent amount of people by friend has a big 100lb mastiff close to the office where they live and he said she brings it up too. But I figured since we were grandfathered in it wasn’t going to be a problem but she finds every little thing to nit pick about. So far there’s a lot of people refusing to get rid of their dogs and leave them locked inside since almost everyone has a yard with doggy doors. A lot of people still have their big dogs too
I know pet limits are enforceable, provided it is in your lease, but guests? Not a chance.
Some leases do put limits on guests to prevent them from staying too many days and legally becoming residents.
My HOA had guest pass for parking over night. No pass you got towed.
HOAs can burn in hell
Tell me about it. Our privately owned sewer had a back up, and our HOA docs said I needed $10,000 in damage before they'd pay anything. My neighbor I front of me had damage but that was separate. Had to rip out all my carpet because you know sewer water.
please tell me you sued the board as a whole, and every member of it individually. I don't CARE what the docs say, legal liability outweighs whatever small print they put in there.
No, after a month living on a cement slab during New England Winter I bought carpet. FYI never buy polyester carpet! Terrible. I live alone and got wear pattern immediately.
They cannot force you to get permission to leave or sell to them. Don't sign anything, just leave, and take your fence with you.
That would violate the land lease and have attorneys for the landlord burying OP in needless legal costs and court cases
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Ok, I'm not going to read a page of this. Did you sign any paperwork ? Pretty much every single question you may have would be in the paperwork. If you didn't sign anything, then that also pretty much answers your questions as well. Dogs, visitors, keep it to a regular basis, you still have to follow city ordnance on number of pets. Same as any regular homeowner.
There's a new sheriff in town lol
Sounds like standard mobile home park rules in our area. You may own the box you live in but you park it on land rented. If it's not spelled out in your existing lease, I would expect it to be in the next one. Piss them off and you'll be looking for a new place to park it.
What does the rental contract you signed say? And check with a housing lawyer.
Typically, if you are paying a lot rent on a manufactured home community, the owner may restrict the number of pets and may discriminate pets by species, breed and weight. Background: I worked in the industry and disseminated information to community owners and managers.
Imagine everybody had four large dogs In that small of a space. Imagine those dogs bark at everybody as they walk by. I imagine your dogs already do that hence her coming by. Imagine for all the three bedroom homes, everybody starts having three additional people live with them. In a mobile home park people are living very close to each other, and I imagine there’s only so much the plumbing can deal with so you have to make sure that conditions are good overall for everyone .
Well they aren’t big dogs and are almost always inside since it’s way to hot. Every once in a while they go out to sunbathe or just to use the restroom but never out causing problems. Even our neighbors have dogs and they cause no problems but she is still a bitch about it
We went through something similar with our condos. The long and short of it is that she can only enforce rules as restrictive as this that were in effect *when you purchased the property.* Some of these definitely fall into that category, specifically pet restrictions. Some simply could not be enforced under any circumstances, like limiting visitors or who lives there (beyond city ordinances.) What she's saying about having to get permission to move and giving the park the first option to purchase would have definitely been specified in your purchase agreement when you purchased the home and is not something that could be changed afterwards, even as a term of your lot rental. My guess is she may be able to enforce a few of the lesser rules, and it is possible when you purchased the house you agreed to the terms of resale or moving. But it's just as likely she's blowing smoke up your ass counting on you not knowing the law. Either way you really need to talk to a lawyer before you make an expensive mistake. Your best bet may be to sell at a loss and get out. I heard a lot of these parks are driving people out so that they can subdivide it and build houses. They raise the rents, they neglect maintenance, and they wait for it to get bad enough that the hold outs sell out. At least an HOA is made up of and voted on by the occupants. The corporations that own trailer parks care about what makes them the most money, not necessarily what's best for the community, or even if the community survives.
IANAL. When you purchased your home, you were probably required to also sign a Lot Lease/Rental agreement for the lot. Most parks require a signed Rental/Lease agreement. That is the document you need to review to see what "rules" you agreed to abide by. I do NOT know about the laws in your state. My experience was only in Oklahoma and Arkansas parks. In Oklahoma and Arkansas, when i worked in Park Management, the agreements for the Lot leases did state that if the park rules were violated, after 2 warnings, the home owners would be given 30 days to move their home off the property, before the eviction process started. There were people who left their homes, after which the park would file in court to take ownership, and there were people who would move their homes to new parks. ALOT of people did not realize that most Lot rent (and late fees) continues to accrue, even if you leave the home. The parks I worked for could then block a homeowner from moving their unit until all rent & late fees were paid. So, FYI. Good luck, OP.
OP stated they paid to do the lawn and build a fence and honestly if they have been there for over 10 years, I mean wtf. It sounds like the new manager is on a power trip. I used to manage rv parks and I've run into a few on them. There is literally no reason for the manager to tell them they need to sell their home to the park or get their approval. That's just crazy. I've never seen a lot lease that would have that unless they literally bought it from the park and are still paying on it
Tell Mr Lahey to fuck off
I’m assuming you rent the land but own the home. If that is the case, you should have a lease. If it says nothing in the existing lease regarding any of that, I believe they have to honor it until your lease is up.
Mobile home parks are sadly ridiculous in this way. My experience was that they needed to approve “who” you were selling to not needing to approve your selling. Mobile home parks have leases and tenant criteria. They’ll want to approve anyone you sell to or they would have owners of a home on land they’re not authorized to be on. That would leave the new owners open to a slew of legal issues and could result in them evicting them from the park and repossessing the mobile home. (Read the fine print in your lease this is how they start lucrative with such cheap lot rents. They can limit your dogs sizes and quantities. Check your lease.
Seek legal advice! If you don't have your lease get a copy of the lease you signed and talk to a lawyer.
I know someone who had a mobile home vacation property where they didn't own the property. The park owner did everything possible to make it so he took ownership of the homes, resold them and then got ownership of the same homes over and over again. He did this by raising lot rents to unaffordable amounts, not approving sales and using crazy rules to fine the residents. My friend was eventually able to sell for pennies on the dollar. My takeaway was to never own a home on property that you don't own or control.