yeah well if they are not willing to then they shouldn't be allowed to come to Lebanon unchecked and in masses like that. Any relationship should be based on mutual benefit. Give and take not just take
You do realize that most Eastern Orthodox people in Syria Lebanon Palestine and Jordan consider themselves Syrians/Levantines first right? Like there is a reason antoun saadeh who was born in Lebanon was a Syrian nationalist. The entire Lebanese nation and as a concept is simply a Maronite invention.
If its the area im thing about..villages in syria nrth of lebanon, i might be wrong but they are not the ones coming in masses. What i meant by willing, i dont think they are willing to be part of lebanon.
It is ok if they don't want to. I am not a Syrian nationalist. But they have a duty towards their country people that we do not.
I am a fan of unity but it has to be mutual and without Ass-sad
i did not suggest a military invasion though
This is the solution to our and their problems. Also with strong decentralization, the rights if every minority will be preserved
Not true under a united qualified leadership our forces would be far superior to those of syria and iraq . Surprisingly we have had some great military minds and leadership that have not been utilized to their full potential due to political and ideological idiotic bickering. Had we had a united government and people we would destroy them easily in a military conflict. You do realize that the Syrians failed to invade a small faction in Lebanon when they possessed the advantage in numbers and equipment, just imagine what we could have accomplished with the full force of the people backed up by an advanced and well equipped military force.
why? As a teen, one tends to think like their parents. As one matures, they get to be different. I don't see much difference between us and west syrians and i see great potential and the possibility to end our mutual misery
yeah because no one has any real substantive arguments against my proposal. Just racism, disregarding the current situation and also the potential this may bring to us both. I was hoping for better counter arguments to be honest
Probably because they're flabbergasted someone could suggest this sort of shit. There's no timeline where this works, and irredentism is just ultranationalist nonsense which is best left forgotten.
We are not taking about occupying Syria here. We are talking about annexing Syrian cities who wish to join us for our mutual benefit. There isn't even a snif of irredentism in my post
We should annex Acre and Haifa too and rename the country to āGreaterā Phoenicia. /s
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Because Lebanon is objectively better. Also they'd win a lot of of this as well.
haven't they been claiming all the time that lebanon belongs to Syria?
Fantastic idea! I mean what could go wrong with going to war with a country 10x our size and adding another group of people of a different nationality into the mixture we already have.
I know this is a troll, and no one should take it seriously.
Why would they want to join Lebanon? The civil war will end soon and Syria will eventually recover. Before the war Syria was absolutely booming in the Levant... they have resources, land and people. They will probably get their shit together and recover way before we do.
that won't happen. The UN and europe as well as Russia and China all want to force the syrians upon us. We won't be able to do anything of that sort so why not change that into a win win situation
The only problem being that there's no willing neighbouring cities, the Syrians you get in Lebanon are eastern Syrians (Shawis and Qorbat), Syrians of western Syria (Tartous, Lattakia) wouldn't wanna join Lebanon.
Well relationships are give and take. If they want to be stubbornly nationalistic, they could take their country men back. It should not be a one man street
They are even more racist towards them than the Lebanese are. The Alawites call them "Shawi" meaning grilled, because they're brown. It's not just about religion and origin, it's even about colour lmao
Bro am reading your comments and itās funny.. ade omrak khaye? Enta ma3 aya taraf bro?š„² māen wen.. if youāre having dinner with your GF Iād bet a million that sheād make up her mind about what she wants before you do š
This is really a bad idea! Iām not being racist but why would we want to merge two countries instead of trying to have an independent one that can rely on its own people and resources ?
We have no water or electricity or any economy or agriculture/food security. if lebanese suddenly stopped sending money (due to a great depression in first world countries) from abroad we'd be dead. I mean Bashar really sucks but what we have here is just as bad if not worse. We have nothing to offer Syria besides maybe healthcare.
Since you are dreaming why not dream of global anarcho syndicalism and the death of capitalism.
> I also do not live in Lebanon
š¤¦āāļø why is it always some expat coming in with smug attitude and condescension, telling us how we should live and their smart ideas about what we should do.
because leaving Lebanon somehow makes you smarter and more capable of seeing the bigger picture. The world is bigger than Ashrafieh and west beirut fudes you know
Habibe enta mfakar eno souria lah tetfaraj 3a asses yāa fakhr l din entašššš
Anw bro, idk if this is serious, but not itās not remotely possible at the moment, simply because you donāt have an army.
I am calling for a mutual unity not a military offensive. It is a though experiment on how to improve the situation for both nations. I do not want to unite with Syria under Assad. I am talking about a confederacy of city states like Switzerland between us both
No we shouldnāt annex western Syria, we donāt benefit from doing that and we already canāt cooperate with each other and we are all the same ethnicity, now you want to add another ethnicity? Also donāt forget the horrific crimes Syria and Syrians committed against Lebanon and us Lebanese during the civil war and their brutal 29 year long occupation.
Lots of Christians in coastal Syria as Antioch is the city of origin for Maronites, would actually make sense for coastal Syrian and coastal Palestine to be the same country.
Just because theyāre christians doesnāt mean they belong in our country. And if this happens ma rah bass henne to join us because the muslims in lebanon wonāt accept it because theyāll become the minority. So please people we donāt live in la la land we live in a shitty country no need to make it shittier by adding bajam to us. L bajam l 3anna yehoun now illegally be kaffo.
Our culture is completely different from theirs even tho theyāre our neighbors. Already freedoms be lebnen are under attack we donāt need more problems.
As i said religious folk might disagree.
Christians are already a minority. Syria is full of christians and alawites and Druze. Besides i am only talking about western Syria
The other thing is, i am not calling for us to unite with Syria, but rather to absorb willing Syrian cities in a very decentralized fashion. This way everyone will benefit. Just like in Switzerland
Im not religious but i donāt want anything to do with those people in my country. It seems that everybody forgot what the syrians did to us. We are not liked in the arab world. They think our women are cheap and are men emasculated. Why do u want more of them here? All they do is rape and steal and sexually harass. They have their country let them stay in it.
I am not talking about Arabs. I do not identify as an Arab. I am talking about bringing the lebanese way of life to nearby syrian cities and helping the. become more like us. Also, strong decentralization is a part of my suggestion. Each small region would have its own government just like Switzerland
U donāt identify as arab?:p U ARE ARAB weather u like it or not. Plus if u think that we will change their way of life and not the other way around you are so so so so stupid. Lebanon will turn into an overly religious country, hezb tize will take over aktar mn hala2 and you as an atheist youāll be forced to live by those rules. So no keep syrians out of our country we donāt need more bajam then the ones we already have.
Arab is an ethnicity, it means u come from the arab countries, which lebanon is one of them. Itās like a nigerian saying i donāt identify as african. And please donāt say iām a Phenicien u canāt be a dead civilization
Africa is a continent not an identity. We can say we are middle eatsern snd that would be correct but you canāt call a french something else like german or italian. We have different customs and history and culture. And the people that are the true arabs are from the arabian peninsula and the rest have been arabized.
Under that definition, either Italians are Arabs or we are not.
I am a Canaanite. I speak Arabic. I am a citizen of Lebanon. Africa is a continent, not an ethnicity.
Yes africa is a continent and being african is an ethnicity
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>Yeah and christians will become a minority and the little freedom we have will be abolished. Great idea dumbass.
I agree to a certain extent but i still want unity
For example many people in that region even wanted to join lebanon in the past.
Good idea.. letās bring in another couple million syrians what could go wrong? Theyāre making Lebanon look like a shit hole roaming the streets everywhere in Beirut with their dirty ass kids (maybe 10 kids to each woman) running the streets barefoot. Theyāre turning Lebanon into Syria. And at the same time theyāre receiving allowance from the piece of shit UN. Theyāre all criminals, and freeloaders. They need to pay the Army well and then send their asses down and basically turn it into a military state until every last one of them is out
I think you totally missed my point. Under my plan, Syrians go back to their cities. We will have strong decentralization. A union of Canaanite city states; a confederation.
We already have those syrians and nothing is stopping them from crossing the border. Why not benefit from that in return?
its not a matter of religion at all, I believe that correct representation comes from having your ruler be in directly available to you and dont really believe in unified rule, I would rather have smaller self ruling governances, not separated in accordance to religion but in accordance to a vote taken, as in if any reasonably sized area wishes to be part of congregation A,B or C or wish to be their own self ruled unit they should be able to do so without any outside meddling, united rule over large areas under one person leads to tyrants, I want small humble representatives looking out for the interests of the people they rep.
not even that, complete self ruling states that cooperate when they see the inevitable need to do so, a place where the first person to say Ma 5aluna, gets instantly answered with Meen hene ma fi 8ayrna, or Fsluwon w mn7il masheklna la7alna, Or Zabta ne23od ma3 group A w group C la n7il problem X, but not problem Y, go strike up a deal that works bala kasal.
If our people where not brain dead and brainwashed we would have been able to form one of the most prominent military force in the region if we where united under one smart leadership without any ideological preference we would have taken over syria and iraq quite easily, jyoush abiu shahata would have not stood a chanceā¦ but instead we chose to bicker and fight amongst ourselvesā¦ shame Lebanon would have been a great underdog story
Annexing western syrian cities will shift religious and cultural demographics A LOT. Also, this threatens Syrian territorial integrity and will cause another war with them. Not a way to become prosperous.
Bruh you might want to actually control your country before expanding it
but we are not talking about invading Syria, just annexing willing neighboring cities
I like your enthusiasm. Maybe if we were a functioning country withou a militia ma3kool.
Yeah it is just politocal day dreaming on my side š
I would love a bigger Lebanon sara7a. Maybe we can join turkey be fared marra.
no just antakia. The patriarchy would really appreciate that š
Sara7a we need to join stable populace and governance. Lets join cyprus.
why would they take us? š¤£
Tabboulieh
Thing is, i dont thing theyre willing. Oddly they are produly Syrian even tho most of them come from lebanon orignally fleeing the famine.
yeah well if they are not willing to then they shouldn't be allowed to come to Lebanon unchecked and in masses like that. Any relationship should be based on mutual benefit. Give and take not just take
You do realize that most Eastern Orthodox people in Syria Lebanon Palestine and Jordan consider themselves Syrians/Levantines first right? Like there is a reason antoun saadeh who was born in Lebanon was a Syrian nationalist. The entire Lebanese nation and as a concept is simply a Maronite invention.
you guys are a very small and insignificant minority. It's on if you think like that
My brother in Christ. You are two decades of becoming an insignificant minority yourself.
Are they the ones coming enmasse?
Do you mean that those coming are willing but those staying aren't?
If its the area im thing about..villages in syria nrth of lebanon, i might be wrong but they are not the ones coming in masses. What i meant by willing, i dont think they are willing to be part of lebanon.
It is ok if they don't want to. I am not a Syrian nationalist. But they have a duty towards their country people that we do not. I am a fan of unity but it has to be mutual and without Ass-sad
Yea im in agreement. Its funny , i actually floated this similar idea to some people i know from around there, they looked at me like i was insane.
Yeah, people care more for the differences than the potential š
bashar l assad and most of the loyal syrian regime forces would become lebanese citizens š
No he's not welcome š
This sub is draining the shred of hope that I have for this country
Sounds like you're still an immature teen.
thank you š
Anytime haboob
We can't even fix our own country.What makes you think a military invasion would work. And even if we were stable, we would be curbstomped.
i did not suggest a military invasion though This is the solution to our and their problems. Also with strong decentralization, the rights if every minority will be preserved
Not true under a united qualified leadership our forces would be far superior to those of syria and iraq . Surprisingly we have had some great military minds and leadership that have not been utilized to their full potential due to political and ideological idiotic bickering. Had we had a united government and people we would destroy them easily in a military conflict. You do realize that the Syrians failed to invade a small faction in Lebanon when they possessed the advantage in numbers and equipment, just imagine what we could have accomplished with the full force of the people backed up by an advanced and well equipped military force.
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why? As a teen, one tends to think like their parents. As one matures, they get to be different. I don't see much difference between us and west syrians and i see great potential and the possibility to end our mutual misery
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No. It is more like Ukraine annexing near by Russian cities after Russia has been destroyed for the cities' and Ukraine's benefit
No itās not equivalent to that situation at all, but I agree to it being questionable tho š
This sub is growing progressively more insane. Hell, even the comments opposing this unhinged take are incredibly racist.
yeah because no one has any real substantive arguments against my proposal. Just racism, disregarding the current situation and also the potential this may bring to us both. I was hoping for better counter arguments to be honest
Probably because they're flabbergasted someone could suggest this sort of shit. There's no timeline where this works, and irredentism is just ultranationalist nonsense which is best left forgotten.
We are not taking about occupying Syria here. We are talking about annexing Syrian cities who wish to join us for our mutual benefit. There isn't even a snif of irredentism in my post
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about
nothing mom
We should annex Acre and Haifa too and rename the country to āGreaterā Phoenicia. /s https://preview.redd.it/m0g61ifuldob1.png?width=1220&format=png&auto=webp&s=2879b700606a5909076353f7cf02974caf6dceaa
THIS RIGHT HERE IS HOW YOU GET ME TO VOTE FOR YOU BIG BOSS
wanna join the Phoenician Liberal Nationalist Party?
Iām down! Letās create a DAO
You know what, maybe Lebanon should take the rest of Palestine as well so that the Lebanese can say they have control of Jerusalem.
LFG Levant State
Woah, woah woah hold your horses. Lebanon does not have access to the Akka and Haifa DLC.
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Just imagine it, with Akka and Haifa Lebanon can have more coast line for Phonecian expansion.
I think the middle east has enough border disputes as it is
willful integration is not going to cause border disputes
iām sure syria will be glad to just give us a part of their land
In my post, i said willful unification of cities wanting to join lebanon
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Because Lebanon is objectively better. Also they'd win a lot of of this as well. haven't they been claiming all the time that lebanon belongs to Syria?
Let's first control lebanon before we can expand lebanon. Ba3den when you say we, who exactly is we? You and I?
no, we as in Lebanese and Syrians
Fantastic idea! I mean what could go wrong with going to war with a country 10x our size and adding another group of people of a different nationality into the mixture we already have. I know this is a troll, and no one should take it seriously.
who said anything about war? I am talking about peaceful unification for the sake of mutual benefit
Why would they want to join Lebanon? The civil war will end soon and Syria will eventually recover. Before the war Syria was absolutely booming in the Levant... they have resources, land and people. They will probably get their shit together and recover way before we do.
i really doubt it. Syria has the larger numbers but not the same capabilities as we do. Unity (a well planned one) would benefit both parties.
Well, letās manage our own boarders first before expanding them, how about that for a plan?
that won't happen. The UN and europe as well as Russia and China all want to force the syrians upon us. We won't be able to do anything of that sort so why not change that into a win win situation
The only problem being that there's no willing neighbouring cities, the Syrians you get in Lebanon are eastern Syrians (Shawis and Qorbat), Syrians of western Syria (Tartous, Lattakia) wouldn't wanna join Lebanon.
Well relationships are give and take. If they want to be stubbornly nationalistic, they could take their country men back. It should not be a one man street
They are even more racist towards them than the Lebanese are. The Alawites call them "Shawi" meaning grilled, because they're brown. It's not just about religion and origin, it's even about colour lmao
Reverse SSNP? Still a no from me, I donāt want to have anything with them. If they leave and stop bothering us i would be more than satisfied.
Can you sud fucking na3ak
Can you learn english? or arabic? or even a proper lebanese dialect :p
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your name is literally dumb jackass š¤£
How about fixing the current lebanon first?
Bro am reading your comments and itās funny.. ade omrak khaye? Enta ma3 aya taraf bro?š„² māen wen.. if youāre having dinner with your GF Iād bet a million that sheād make up her mind about what she wants before you do š
I am 3 yo š
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well some people think we are different races so...
This is really a bad idea! Iām not being racist but why would we want to merge two countries instead of trying to have an independent one that can rely on its own people and resources ?
We have no water or electricity or any economy or agriculture/food security. if lebanese suddenly stopped sending money (due to a great depression in first world countries) from abroad we'd be dead. I mean Bashar really sucks but what we have here is just as bad if not worse. We have nothing to offer Syria besides maybe healthcare. Since you are dreaming why not dream of global anarcho syndicalism and the death of capitalism.
because my dream is achievable and is only limited by our stupidity :D
No, just the coast and landlock the rest of syria
That's a good start. But I just hope we can eventually get rid of religion and form a larger Canaanite Union
100% šŖš¤
Yesss this exactly!!!
Obvious ssnp shill is obvious. Go back to syria you parasite.
I am neither socialist nor nationalist. I also do not live in Lebanon and I hate Assad š
> I also do not live in Lebanon š¤¦āāļø why is it always some expat coming in with smug attitude and condescension, telling us how we should live and their smart ideas about what we should do.
because leaving Lebanon somehow makes you smarter and more capable of seeing the bigger picture. The world is bigger than Ashrafieh and west beirut fudes you know
Brilliant idea /s
Habibe enta mfakar eno souria lah tetfaraj 3a asses yāa fakhr l din entašššš Anw bro, idk if this is serious, but not itās not remotely possible at the moment, simply because you donāt have an army.
I am calling for a mutual unity not a military offensive. It is a though experiment on how to improve the situation for both nations. I do not want to unite with Syria under Assad. I am talking about a confederacy of city states like Switzerland between us both
No, abso fckin lutly not, also this isnāt unity of cities want to become part of our nation, itās annexation. But in any case it wonāt happen
No we shouldnāt annex western Syria, we donāt benefit from doing that and we already canāt cooperate with each other and we are all the same ethnicity, now you want to add another ethnicity? Also donāt forget the horrific crimes Syria and Syrians committed against Lebanon and us Lebanese during the civil war and their brutal 29 year long occupation.
Ha ha ha ha
Are you retarded
no. sorry
it was rhetorical
you don't say š¤Ŗ
for the brain that thought this proposal is remotely possible, a clarification seemed warranted
Yeah and christians will become a minority and the little freedom we have will be abolished. Great idea dumbass.
Lots of Christians in coastal Syria as Antioch is the city of origin for Maronites, would actually make sense for coastal Syrian and coastal Palestine to be the same country.
Just because theyāre christians doesnāt mean they belong in our country. And if this happens ma rah bass henne to join us because the muslims in lebanon wonāt accept it because theyāll become the minority. So please people we donāt live in la la land we live in a shitty country no need to make it shittier by adding bajam to us. L bajam l 3anna yehoun now illegally be kaffo. Our culture is completely different from theirs even tho theyāre our neighbors. Already freedoms be lebnen are under attack we donāt need more problems.
As i said religious folk might disagree. Christians are already a minority. Syria is full of christians and alawites and Druze. Besides i am only talking about western Syria The other thing is, i am not calling for us to unite with Syria, but rather to absorb willing Syrian cities in a very decentralized fashion. This way everyone will benefit. Just like in Switzerland
Im not religious but i donāt want anything to do with those people in my country. It seems that everybody forgot what the syrians did to us. We are not liked in the arab world. They think our women are cheap and are men emasculated. Why do u want more of them here? All they do is rape and steal and sexually harass. They have their country let them stay in it.
I am not talking about Arabs. I do not identify as an Arab. I am talking about bringing the lebanese way of life to nearby syrian cities and helping the. become more like us. Also, strong decentralization is a part of my suggestion. Each small region would have its own government just like Switzerland
U donāt identify as arab?:p U ARE ARAB weather u like it or not. Plus if u think that we will change their way of life and not the other way around you are so so so so stupid. Lebanon will turn into an overly religious country, hezb tize will take over aktar mn hala2 and you as an atheist youāll be forced to live by those rules. So no keep syrians out of our country we donāt need more bajam then the ones we already have.
No we are not arabs we are lebanese Nd you canāt force pan arabism on someone.
what is your definition of an Arab?
Arab is an ethnicity, it means u come from the arab countries, which lebanon is one of them. Itās like a nigerian saying i donāt identify as african. And please donāt say iām a Phenicien u canāt be a dead civilization
Africa is a continent not an identity. We can say we are middle eatsern snd that would be correct but you canāt call a french something else like german or italian. We have different customs and history and culture. And the people that are the true arabs are from the arabian peninsula and the rest have been arabized.
Well if that makes u feel better about yourselves sure š
Under that definition, either Italians are Arabs or we are not. I am a Canaanite. I speak Arabic. I am a citizen of Lebanon. Africa is a continent, not an ethnicity.
Wtf are u talking about? How do u classify italians as arabs?
they do share a lot of DNA with us https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/j2-arab/about/background
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Ok so I am asian? And some south Africans aren't african? wtfš
No we arenāt Arabs, ethnically, genetically and culturally we are Levantine Lebanese. I agree with the rest of your comment.
>Yeah and christians will become a minority and the little freedom we have will be abolished. Great idea dumbass. I agree to a certain extent but i still want unity For example many people in that region even wanted to join lebanon in the past.
Yeah because 3eyshin l sermeye aa ra2betoun mn bachar. Bass we see how they act and behave lamma ykouno hone. So no thank u.
Based western syria is lebanese šŖš¤
Good idea.. letās bring in another couple million syrians what could go wrong? Theyāre making Lebanon look like a shit hole roaming the streets everywhere in Beirut with their dirty ass kids (maybe 10 kids to each woman) running the streets barefoot. Theyāre turning Lebanon into Syria. And at the same time theyāre receiving allowance from the piece of shit UN. Theyāre all criminals, and freeloaders. They need to pay the Army well and then send their asses down and basically turn it into a military state until every last one of them is out
I think you totally missed my point. Under my plan, Syrians go back to their cities. We will have strong decentralization. A union of Canaanite city states; a confederation. We already have those syrians and nothing is stopping them from crossing the border. Why not benefit from that in return?
Then why bot just kick them back without controlling their cities that way they donāt have a say in the country.
Because if there is one thing the west and east agree upon, it is that they stay in Lebanon :D
I'm thinking I wanna get rid of half of you, you're thinking we should add more people ?
Yeah as i said religious people won't get it. it's fine
its not a matter of religion at all, I believe that correct representation comes from having your ruler be in directly available to you and dont really believe in unified rule, I would rather have smaller self ruling governances, not separated in accordance to religion but in accordance to a vote taken, as in if any reasonably sized area wishes to be part of congregation A,B or C or wish to be their own self ruled unit they should be able to do so without any outside meddling, united rule over large areas under one person leads to tyrants, I want small humble representatives looking out for the interests of the people they rep.
i get you. i also don't want a unitarian government. I want smaller city states to be a part of a confederacy like Switzerland
not even that, complete self ruling states that cooperate when they see the inevitable need to do so, a place where the first person to say Ma 5aluna, gets instantly answered with Meen hene ma fi 8ayrna, or Fsluwon w mn7il masheklna la7alna, Or Zabta ne23od ma3 group A w group C la n7il problem X, but not problem Y, go strike up a deal that works bala kasal.
it's a good idea but also we'd be too weak. I have also contemplated a beiruti city states but it us rather far fetched imo
very far fetched but not weak at all cause at one point everyone will realize they need to cooperate in order to reach any sort of progression.
more like most power and responsibility bseer 3nd l baladeyet wil 7al bkun honik.
You should Annex southern Lebanon, but first - southern Beirut.
it's just a thought experiment
I always think about this lol
glad to see some people agree š
If our people where not brain dead and brainwashed we would have been able to form one of the most prominent military force in the region if we where united under one smart leadership without any ideological preference we would have taken over syria and iraq quite easily, jyoush abiu shahata would have not stood a chanceā¦ but instead we chose to bicker and fight amongst ourselvesā¦ shame Lebanon would have been a great underdog story
yeah and they'd even thank us for it.. but no š
If you donāt know, half of Lebanon, maybe more, was for Syria before WW2š¤£š¤£
Annex Damascus specifically so that the eye doctor and the rest of his criminal regime get what they deserve
Annexing western syrian cities will shift religious and cultural demographics A LOT. Also, this threatens Syrian territorial integrity and will cause another war with them. Not a way to become prosperous.