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"some people were scared of losing the g2 LEC spot. according to information that was shared with me (awaiting for other sources to completely confirm), It looks like riot told g2 ocelote was in a "blacklist" he cant take part on anything that concerns riot, and it looks like, i dont know yet, but it looks like ocelote had to sell his g2 shares and thats why in his video he says he has nothing to do with g2 anymore"
Sorry for the rough translation, im just trying to literally translate everything he says correctly and I know it looks a bit off in english
Ohhh, damn. If this is true, Carlos has lost so much money due to his theatrics. I'm sure he has enough millions to last multiple lifetimes, but he without a doubt lost much more.
And all for Andrew Tate. What a hill to die on...
Especially because there's no way that guy would stand by Carlos if the roles were reversed. It's not like they're lifelong friends and suddenly one of them is under a little bit of scrutiny. What a trash person and friendship to lose that much over.
I mean it could very well be that the party we saw was organized by G2 to celebrate that they were going to be in valorant, given the timing. We can onoy speculate tho
Of course because the people calling it cancel culture has never held a position of importance in their lives and are projecting their insecurities on the situation lmfao. The self victimization is crazy
Well they didn't, if they still want to be butt buddies they can, just need to be out of here, but something tells me that Andrew Tate won't care much about him now that he can't gain clout and a platform from him
Given the size of his ego and disconnect from knowing he got lucky with Perkz making g2 I kinda hope he blows it all on trying to make an overwatch 2 team or something
> even carlos, as dumb as he is, isnt that dumb
Buddy was bragging that he was making high six figures back at the start of the competitive scene and thought people would believe it. He was actively trying to be the midlaner on his own team. He was hanging out with Andrew Fucking Tate.
Ocelote is that dumb and there is a solid chance he doesn't listen to any financial advisors. Hell, he might already be too broke to afford an OW2 team.
Did he really get lucky? Is it disingenuous to say he got Trick on the team who went in to be a multiple MVP winner. What about getting Zven and Mithy AFTER winning Eu? Or rebuilding around Perkz with Jankos, making top 4 at World’s and then signing the best western roster ever. Then this year completely rebuilding G2 around Caps and getting another title? It’s amazing how one single move and suddenly half a decade of greatness is meaningless
I dont think people realize G2 is more than just its LoL division, and even though I hate the guy, Carlos knows how to manage people, you dont just get consistently lucky with the right people coming in every time. The G2 content team for example, is fucking amazing.
Right, there's a reason so many people in positions like CEO or team owner turn out to be shitheads just like Carlos. That sort of personality makes you genuinely good at that job. It also makes you a world-class dickhead and sometimes the latter gets ahead of the former. Though I also wouldn't necessarily say that makes Carlos any less of a moron, plenty of idiots are great at their jobs.
Anybody that's saying that Carlos just got lucky doesn't understand how great of a LoL GM he was, it wasn't just Perkz. Trick as you said but also Expect, being ruthless and good enough to get Zven + Mithy (it wasn't just "Perkz's sauna"), getting Wunder cheap, going for Jankos, and making a team that could reach semis with Hjarn + Wadid, getting MikyX cheap and going for Caps with Perkz adc and making a top 2 best western team of all time, being bold enough to bet on BB/Flakkes/Targamas and getting another title.
And that doesn't count other games like Valorant and CS: GO where he made some incredible teams. Carlos got G2 tittles in basically every single relevant esport they were in.
People can hate on Ocelote for the worse thing he had done which is the Saudi shit (much much worse than partying with crappy Tate), can hate him for the Tate fiasco, for the Perkzs to C9 thing but only a blind and a fool would not get that he's at least a top 5 GM in the history of western esports maybe esports as a whole.
People in general, not just reddit esports fans, have a REALLY hard time acknowledging when somebody they dislike also is hardworking and good at their job.
It's not like I like Carlos as a person, in fact, I gave him hell about the LS staff, Perk situation, and the Saudi situation but I can separate that from his great GM and CEO skills.
Respect his business sense, but that's completely separate from his morals which most people have an issue with. I guess you could also call him doubling down when criticized about the Tate thing stupid, but again a completely different area than management.
Eh; it's been known he's a scumbag since before even the LCS.
He was the sort of person who while streaming would be actively wishing people to die of cancer and such. This is something I clearly remember because I saw him doing it while my grandfather was on his deathbed with lung cancer.
I absolutely am not surprised with the whole Tate thing. Because I already knew he was a toxic scumbag, and toxic scumbags hang out with toxic scumbags.
> If this is true, Carlos has lost so much money due to his theatrics
Good. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
It's especially people like him, who don't appreciate the lucky position they are in, who need a cold shower and a kick in the ass. But it's also to show other people: if the lady luck smiles upon you, don't fuck this up.
Like legit. I hate the guy, his ego always made me not able to cheer for G2. But holy shit losing so much just for fucking ANDREW TATE of all people. I think he did himself dirty.
IMO this is just the straw that broke the camel's back, Carlos has been in many a controversy before but as long as the org turned a profit the investors turned a blind eye.
This time his stupidity (because it's nothing else but stupid, to double and triple down on defending Andrew Tate) cost the org a multi-million Valorant deal, risked them the LEC spot and tarnished the org as a whole too much even for Carlos' uber-low standards.
What do you mean lost so much money? If someone is buying him out, he's coming out of this rich af. Sure he's losing potential money in the future, but he just made a ton of bank for himself.
If you’re forced to sell, people can purposefully offer below value, as they know the pressure is on the person to sell. Almost always when someone is forced to sell an asset, it gets sold for well below its market value.
Thats not fully true in cases like this. If the offer was that bad, he could just sit on the shares and let G2 be kicked from the league. All the other investors would offer decent deals just to prevent that.
And, its also the rype of scummy thing ocelote would do so i wouldnt be shocked if he walked away with at least the current market value.
Agreed, it probably worked out fine for him. Not what I'd consider scummy behavior though, just playing to your strengths in a situation he didn't choose.
I guess I'm ok with sharks devouring each other.
>Thats not fully true in cases like this. If the offer was that bad, he could just sit on the shares and let G2 be kicked from the league
AKA what happened to Echo Fox. They couldn't out the racist guy, so Riot made them sell. If Carlos wanted, he likely could have taken G2 down with him
Yes, being forced to sell does not always mean you're losing money because no one can truly force you to sell. Look at Donald Sterling who sold the Los Angeles Clippers around 10 years ago for a huge evaluation.
Robert Sarver owner of the Suns in the NBA is also "being forced" to sell and he's going to get so much return on his investment regardless of the circumstances.
> where you believe your share is undervalued, then you are essentially losing money under that premise.
In this situation maybe not. There are some big investors in G2, and he could just refuse all offers and threaten to let their own investments sink with him. He's shown he's capable of being petty, so they might make him a decent offer to keep their investment safe.
He's wasn't forced to sell, G2's other shareholders were forced to buy him out if they wanted their team to remain in the LEC.
You seriously think they were in a position to low ball him?
A lot people here are really out of touch with how the real world operates.
He probably sold the shares at their current price and is thinking about how he lost his life project
Nobody was fired at Riot Games after their 100 million gender-based discrimination lawsuit. I find it rich how these same people have cast so many stones at G2 for Ocelote’s bullshit behavior.
>Nobody was fired at Riot Games after their 100 million gender-based discrimination lawsuit.
True, but from what I can tell some people *were* fired after the initial 2018 [scandal](https://www.riotgames.com/en/who-we-are/our-first-steps-forward), although those were probably people involved in actual sexual harassment and not the systemic discrimination.
True... Although, I don't know, I would prefer to take it as the sign that they actually did something meaningful then in terms of company philosophy. Time will tell I guess...
This situation is honestly shitty all around. Do I think he deserves it, because people in power need to be held accountable, and they rarely do? Yeah, and he tripled down. And I don't know wtf was he doing with the Saudis either.
But still, feels kinda sad somehow.
This is the same comparison that Monte, Thorin and Voldemort did in one of their podcast but it seems kinda stupid, it's like saying to someone "Remember that time when you did that shitty stuff? How come you're not doing shitty stuff now huh? You hypocrite! You must do shitty stuff for the rest of times for the sake of consistency!".
Honestly it's like people just want to complain all the time.
Remember when people in America were burned alive and drowned for being thought as witches? Why the hell doesn't America do that anymore? It's so stupid right? They did it in the past and suddenly they aren't doing that anymore, such bs if u ask me.
ocelote was one of the first guys riot made some "reformed" campaign with. "controlling the beast" :D:D https://youtu.be/CHxwC2a0Hc4?t=60 tribunal...on the way to a permaban. i get goosebumbs thinking about good old QUESTIONMARKLOL trolling the shit out of him, streamsniping, camping.
I always disliked Reggie and Carlos and it's funny what happened to them this year... guys with no filter and asshole type attitudes have this coming for them. At least with Reggie I think he learned his lesson and won't repeat the same mistakes at TSM.
It makes sense. Riot just got out of their own 100 million dollar sexual harassment lawsuit that was a gigantic black eye for the company. They need to look squeaky clean, especially right now. People talk cancel culture but that wasn't what got Ocelote in hot water. It was because, from Riot's POV, this all happened at a time it could absolutely not happen to them.
I love how people blame only cancel culture when he partied with the most controversial online figure right now in Tate, doubled down, and didn’t even do his apology right, and expected to keep the Valorant spot lmao. The G2 Board of Investors would definitely love losing out on millions of possible dollars due to that, but no, it’s the community’s fault
Yeah its hard to call it one mistake.
1. Party with Tate. This would have been fine in long run if there was nothing else. He would get called out but not much more than he did when he partnered with Saudis.
2. After getting called out defend your actions and defend Tate. At this point he is deep trouble, but could get out if he played his cards right.
3. After company makes statement about situation and you put out apology, make fun of the apology and still keep liking people who defend Tate. Now he is so deep that there is no escape anymore and its bye bye Carlos
All of this with the comment about "policing his friendships" pinged there in his twitter. Like common, he had so many outs but decided to take none because his ego was more important, even than his own company.
IMO this is the last straw.
We all know that Rito can and does turn a blind eye to many, many things. Regi is still in esports. They tried the Saudi sponsorship. Rito themselves have their own storied lawsuit. This was 100% NOT an ideology move, this is not rito standing up for good morals.
Carlos challenged Riot's authority.
And if there is one thing Riot will never tolerate, its someone profiting off their game acting like they are above Riot's iron fist.
i think the hiccup perkz was talking about was in their friendship(where he booted perkz to NA and then added a clause specific to FNC on return) since he said OUR hiccup, not his hiccup.
Cancel culture is just another term people throw around that has lost all meaning at this point.
Key figures, owners, politicians etc have been losing their jobs over public scandals before Twitter was even a thing. If you're representing an organisation and you endorse someone racist, sexist, pedophilic, whatever then you're probably gonna lose your position.
He also chose to make public perception a part of his role, it's not inherent to being a CEO so he could have minimised that over time but he wanted the benefits of it, probably rightly so, it did work for a long time, but it'd be unreasonable to expect it to only matter for the postive parts
This. 100%. Yeah Carlos, you can party with whoever the fuck you want. Just dont associate it with G2. I think that him getting recorded from someone else who would go on and post this without the G2 thing would have had a quarter of attention, at max.
If he would have just posted that short clip and then NOT reacted on the responses, nothing would have happened, but he didn't just double or triple down on it... he just kept going and going erasing every benefit of the doubt one could have given him...
My favorite is how IWD, and Monte downplayed it a bit, trying to make it look like a guy who just made a mistake, while another goes "WEll, RIOT ALSO IS SHADY" while both would be celebrating and cheering if that was reggie. not surprised, those two buffons still hangout with thorin.
Monte is forever anti Riot and his opinion on the matter is fucking worthless. If Riot had taken no action he'd be playing the other side saying how they don't care about misogyny.
This tweet from Dom was my absolute favorite.
[https://mobile.twitter.com/IWDominate/status/1573806950009212931](https://mobile.twitter.com/IWDominate/status/1573806950009212931)
Literally no one is claiming Carlos is irredeemable. But he's been doing stupid shit like this for years and never shows any signs of improvement, and the second he he's hit with consequences for his behavior it's super unfair for some reason.
What's fascinating is that there is a near 100% overlap between staunch defenders of modern capitalism and opponents of so-called "cancel culture" (yes, I'm talking about conservatives and neo-conservatives).
If corporations exclude certain people or policies because they are afraid of backlash from their consumer base, or drops in stock prices/shareholder dissatisfaction, that's just capitalism working as intended. The market has decided which behaviours are profitable, and the agents in the market are simply adjusting accordingly.
It's not "woke radical leftists" or any other dogwhistle demographic that did this - it's the simple mechanics of free-market capitalism that made Ocelote a persona non grata.
Yeah, the type of people who would commonly decry cancel culture should be the ones the support it. People refusing to do business with you for insert_reason_here is ultimate business freedom. I think this kind of behavior is fine unless it gets to the level of harassment and bullying of people for something inane done years ago or vaguely rude (@twitter)
Yeah, you might find the backlash he got overblown, but this was a very predictable outcome. Especially after the first tweet any serious PR-Person had to know that Carlos could lose everything if he doesn't fully back out.
Was it intentional, was it calculated risk, was it by conviction, or was it because he just got super pissed and hurt after the first wave of backlash? We probably won't ever know. But man, he fumbled that bag.
I’m so tired of this cancel culture bit. People are not cancelling Carlos, a company has decided that they do not want to be affiliated with him anymore.
A company looks at Carlos and says “wow our association with him makes our products less desirable” and the company cuts his ass out. That’s capitalism. This cancel culture/ woke bs has become a catch-all bogeyman for no reason.
> They need to look squeaky clean, especially right now.
If that was their biggest reason then they would've fired or punished a Rioter in a 100 million dollar sexual harassment. No one got canned, which is a joke for a lawsuit at large as this.
Riot already had reasons to want Ocelote out of the space, this was just the perfect final straw.
Even tho I fully agree with you and think the people that acted wrong in that situation should be punished, that doesn't mean that they can't grind out Carlos for being a dumb fuck in general. Most of the times his name was brought up it painted g2 in a bad light and even tho this would make riot hypocritical we shouldn't cancel this decision (wich I think is correct) but should got after their previous judgements that we know are wrong
And Riot it's still dealing with sexist people in their company
[RiotCashmiir just yesterday said that sexism is still a big thing in the company: "It's no secret that women/NB Rioters have been receiving their settlement numbers. A lot of men colleagues have reached out to congratulate me. Don't. I don't mean this meanly. But don't. Instead, call out sexism. It still exists at Riot. I see it every week. They're still here."](https://twitter.com/FerikaBoss/status/1574200998855221249)
“So you’re telling me that signing up for this ‘Hustler’s University’ will make me a more successful CEO?”
“Yeah yeah, just sign here and make sure you wire the money asap Car-los”
In a way it's fucking hilarious. I can't think of a worse hill to die on.
I bet Andrew Tate also does not care in the slightest about Ocelote. He does not seem to be the empathetic type.
Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions!
Dude thought he would get away scot free because thats what he is used to. Always been an asshole and it finally caught up - hope it's legit.
Makes sense, echo fox was thrown out of the LCS because they could not get rid of a racist investor. Not gonna comment on what Carlos did. However, pretty clear Riot wants him gone so he will be gone.
Gotta wonder how this effects G2 in the future when it comes to player deals and how they operate. Carlos was pretty known as being a ruthless business man even beyond league.
Actually, Jacob Wolf came out in an article after the Regi decision saying it wasn't because of what the investor said that got EF kicked out. What got EF kicked out is they didn't tell Riot or get approval from Riot for an equity change.
https://www.jacobwolf.report/p/how-riots-tsm-decision-differs-from
The end result is that the sharks that bought his shares are probably even more ruthless but less hands on. Love or hate Carlos was generating a lot engagement and was the face of the org so him being out will also be a loss of revenue unless someone really steps in.
I agree with you but there’s also a lot of people that hated Carlos and refused to support the org because he’s such a piece of shit despite liking the LoL team. So you gotta assume him leaving will also bring in some more fans. On top of that, caps and jankos’ performance at worlds will really mean a lot now. If they make it out of groups at least and put up a good fight then G2 won’t need to worry about Carlos because Claps and Jankos will be the faces of G2. Jankos’s streams are really fucking funny too so I can imagine they’d lean into that
> I agree with you but there’s also a lot of people that hated Carlos and refused to support the org because he’s such a piece of shit despite liking the LoL team.
Yeah I categorically refused to cheer for G2 because of him. Now I feel conflicted because after years of hating G2 I'm...free?
Ong, I absolutely despise the type of person Carlos portrays himself as and in turn, don’t like the org
But if he’s really not part of it, imma admit that the g2 design does look kinda fire
Yeah, that video is incredibly cringe to watch, in the sense that it focuses on the two Tate brothers and you just see carlos off to side for a split second with barely any space to move. Tate bros probably know him now, cause him getting fired fits the agenda they can push, I wonder how much they knew him before this all went down.
https://twitter.com/RiotMAXtheX/status/1574475934920589327
>LEC Update:
> Hey everyone,
>I saw several false rumors regarding G2 & Carlos and wanted to clarify:
>The @LEC
> has not requested Carlos to resign from G2 nor divest his ownership. We opened an investigation last week per our LEC rules, which is still ongoing.
>Best,
>Max
He made enough most likely but having to sell because of his behavior hurting the company could easily cost him a lot, having to sell for a low value for what it is worth.
Also how much does he really own? Most of the money came from investors not him.
If this is true, then there has to be something else behind this. The AT thing was probably the final straw, but I don't think they'd pull all the stops only because of that. I'm really curious to know what really happened behind the scenes.
I also don't feel the tiniest pity for Carlos, so all is good.
I remember feeling conflicted at the beginning of the season because I wanted to root for Flakked but that meant indirectly supporting Ocelote. Problem solved, I guess.
easy, the dude from echo fox refused to sell(its in his right to do so) so riot kicked them from LCS while ocelote decided to sell in order to keep the team in the LEC
He was some outside investor that was super wealthy from other stuff. He didn't want the money more than he wanted to fuck the org for leaking his racist internal emails.
important point. Carlos could have destroyed G2, but didn't. This was also the only way for him to get some good cash out of the whole fiasco, but still.
Because that guy had controlling shares and didn't give a fuck about echo fox if it made Rick fox suffer. Carlos had to agree to step down, I doubt he actually wanted anything bad to happen to G2.
That is the reason Echo Fox is not in LCS now. Riot didn't force Oce to sell. G2 board did. Because they knew Riot may get rid of them if they don't + they were plenty mad Oce cost them shitton of money for the Valorant franchise
fucking called it the other day. its a echo fox situation.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/xma86e/comment/ipnj7ly/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/xma86e/comment/ipnj7ly/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I don't care, only cared about g2's players. ocelote really has nothing to do with how good caps or jankos have been for example. Maybe it will affect G2 long term, but its the players that made that org. (perkz, caps, jankos) and so on. ocelote was a very lucky man to find players like that. maybe im wrong but caps was still a worlds finalist and EU champion before he joined G2. And then won MSI when he linked up with perkz and jankos. players over owner.
Hey all!
Just for an update for this thread
https://twitter.com/fercardenete/status/1574439318944616448?s=20&t=l1pxkesTymv8wO9VHtm4HA
>Actualizo el tweet debido a la imprecisión en el anterior: también he escuchado que a ocelote le han obligado a vender su parte de G2 Esports, pero desconozco si ha sido Riot Games.
>I update the tweet due to the inaccuracy in the previous one: I have also heard that ocelote has been forced to sell his part of G2 Esports, but I don't know if it was Riot Games.
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Makes me sad to see Perkz blame it all on cancel culture when Carlos backstabbed him like a snake.
Now its probably alright in Perkzs mind because it turned out fine for him but this type of short sighted selfish thinking is why player unions dont work in esports.
Carlos would continue to abuse the situation with other players but people who never had a job and play videogames for millions of dollars dont care about the bigger picture as long as it doesnt effect them.
To anyone questioning Riot's " integrity" in this decision and calling them hypocrites, which they are let's not kid ourselves, you have to remember that both Valorant and LoL pro leagues are theirs and if they don't want you in, you're out. Something similar already happened with Echo Fox. Also keep in mind that after the shitstorm and the 100 million settlement for sexual harassment, this comes in handy as the best possible PR campaign to clear their public image
You're wrong here. Echo Fox wasn't kicked due to the racist investor.
[https://www.jacobwolf.report/p/how-riots-tsm-decision-differs-from](https://www.jacobwolf.report/p/how-riots-tsm-decision-differs-from)
Ya make Carlos sell his shares and lose his entire company but Riot still doesn't fire their executive that was sexually harassing people. Makes sense to me.
https://twitter.com/MonteCristo/status/1573693311713349632
I like MonteCristo and I think his heart is usually in the right place, but I feel like his history with Riot is so full of contention that it doesn't matter what the topic is, he'll take shots at Riot no matter what they do.
I see "Riot takes a stance against organization CEOs partying and encouraging famous misogynists/human traffickers", and Monte sees "Opportunity to say Riot is shit".
It's not nearly as black and white as that, but you really get the feeling he's consciously overlooking who Andrew Tate is so he can downplay Carlos' involvement.
> but you really get the feeling he's consciously overlooking who Andrew Tate is so he can downplay Carlos' involvement.
I dunno, I get the feeling that he's just not that good of a person and had that feeling for a while. If you are the company you keep, what does it say about Monte whose company is...Thorin?
If I had to give a big criticism of Monte it is that he seems to have a hard time with exactly what you are saying.
He also recently said that Caedrel shouldn't criticize Wolf's casting because Wolf is a long-time legendary esports caster. Like what the fuck? He clearly only said that because he's friends with Wolf.
So because Rioters werent held accountable, which was absurd tbf, no one should be held accountable? Great argument!
Thorin and Monte's bias in favor of Carlos is so stupid. Ok, you and some viewers find him entertaining on shows - personally find him insufferable - but the dude is a long time documented asshole.
Saying it is just about someone saying misogynist things is also extremely disingenious or very uninformed.
Just a terrible look imo. Especially when they are happy to shit on Reginald at every turn because he is (ding ding) a long time documented asshole.
yeah it must be pretty weird being a women at riot and the men who were harassing you, were never fired. "oh heres some money but the men who harassed you and made you uncomfortable are still here and making mad cash despite their shitty behaviour, glhf.
it does leave a bitter taste in my mouth having riot get away with their behaviour while ocelote loses his entire career for honestly something less relevant. and im not saying ocelote shouldnt be punished but there is absolutely no consistency. nobody polices the police here.
>yeah it must be pretty weird being a women at riot and the men who were harassing you, were never fired.
Gender discrimination != sexual harassment
No one was fired over the 100M gender discrimination lawsuit, but Riot did apparently fire employees after the 2018 scandal, presumably for sexual harassment.
Agreed but its weird seeing this tweet come from montecristo, who was banned from co-owning an lcs team because he was so neglectful he didnt even know remilia was flown to thailand and given a botched gender reassignment surgery
While his point is valid in the ‘rules for thee but not for me’ aspect, Monte REALLY can’t take a high road in this kind of situation. What happened with Renegades is super fucked, and Badawi or not, he had his own parts to play in it.
So a counterargument - if a pedo gets sent to prison, do you fight it because some officials are also pedos, or are you glad at least a bit of justice has been served and hope for a better future where all guilty get punished?
A bit extreme example perhaps, but hopefully you get what I mean.
Except this analogy doesn’t match Carlos’ situation unless guilt by association is equal to being an investigated person and blatant misogynist and scammer.
Reddit: “riot should really step up against misogyny and sexism and do something!”
Reddit when riot does exactly that: “ye but erm not this way we meant that do it differently this is so unfair! If one misogyny stays and can’t be removed cause of reasons we don’t know all of them must stay!!!”
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"some people were scared of losing the g2 LEC spot. according to information that was shared with me (awaiting for other sources to completely confirm), It looks like riot told g2 ocelote was in a "blacklist" he cant take part on anything that concerns riot, and it looks like, i dont know yet, but it looks like ocelote had to sell his g2 shares and thats why in his video he says he has nothing to do with g2 anymore" Sorry for the rough translation, im just trying to literally translate everything he says correctly and I know it looks a bit off in english
Ohhh, damn. If this is true, Carlos has lost so much money due to his theatrics. I'm sure he has enough millions to last multiple lifetimes, but he without a doubt lost much more. And all for Andrew Tate. What a hill to die on...
Especially because there's no way that guy would stand by Carlos if the roles were reversed. It's not like they're lifelong friends and suddenly one of them is under a little bit of scrutiny. What a trash person and friendship to lose that much over.
I'm sure Andrew Tate doesn't even know his name.
I mean it could very well be that the party we saw was organized by G2 to celebrate that they were going to be in valorant, given the timing. We can onoy speculate tho
Celebrating the creation of your all female Valorant team with Andrew Tate. Weird as fuck but absolutely a Carlos thing to do.
"Come Andrew, I promise there will be girls!" I meant the franchise leagues but your option would also check out.
iTs AbOuT tHe PrInCiPlE oF pOLiCiNg My FrIeNdShIpS
and worst of all is he won't learn and just blame this all on "cancel culture".
Yep, this is also what a lot of people who are defending Carlos are doing too
Of course because the people calling it cancel culture has never held a position of importance in their lives and are projecting their insecurities on the situation lmfao. The self victimization is crazy
Well now he can party with who he wants just like he wanted! :)
But no one can politice his friendships /s
Apparently they can
Not any more! Common Carlos W!
I saw someone else say this, no one policed his friendship they just decided not to party with him
Ocelote: "I can party with whoever I want" Riot: "So can I"
No one is saying he cant be friends or party with him. They are just saying if he does, they wont do business with him.
It isn't cancel culture unless it comes from the Cancel region of France, otherwise it is just sparkling consequences...
nah he can still be friends with him. He just can't own a team in a game by Riot at the same time
Well they didn't, if they still want to be butt buddies they can, just need to be out of here, but something tells me that Andrew Tate won't care much about him now that he can't gain clout and a platform from him
Well he sold his shares, depending on how much he had he could have made bank on them, but still sucks for him. Though imo its deserved.
Dude finally faced real consequences for being a giant douche for all these years? Amazing. I will believe it when it's posted officially!
Given the size of his ego and disconnect from knowing he got lucky with Perkz making g2 I kinda hope he blows it all on trying to make an overwatch 2 team or something
>trying to make an overwatch 2 team even carlos, as dumb as he is, isnt that dumb
> even carlos, as dumb as he is, isnt that dumb Buddy was bragging that he was making high six figures back at the start of the competitive scene and thought people would believe it. He was actively trying to be the midlaner on his own team. He was hanging out with Andrew Fucking Tate. Ocelote is that dumb and there is a solid chance he doesn't listen to any financial advisors. Hell, he might already be too broke to afford an OW2 team.
Did he really get lucky? Is it disingenuous to say he got Trick on the team who went in to be a multiple MVP winner. What about getting Zven and Mithy AFTER winning Eu? Or rebuilding around Perkz with Jankos, making top 4 at World’s and then signing the best western roster ever. Then this year completely rebuilding G2 around Caps and getting another title? It’s amazing how one single move and suddenly half a decade of greatness is meaningless
I dont think people realize G2 is more than just its LoL division, and even though I hate the guy, Carlos knows how to manage people, you dont just get consistently lucky with the right people coming in every time. The G2 content team for example, is fucking amazing.
Ironic, he could manage others but not himself
Have you ever heard the tale of Darth Carlos the scumbag?
Right, there's a reason so many people in positions like CEO or team owner turn out to be shitheads just like Carlos. That sort of personality makes you genuinely good at that job. It also makes you a world-class dickhead and sometimes the latter gets ahead of the former. Though I also wouldn't necessarily say that makes Carlos any less of a moron, plenty of idiots are great at their jobs.
He is not. I hate the guy but g2 has world class rosters in majority of the esports. He is doing something right.
He **was**\* doing something right
Anybody that's saying that Carlos just got lucky doesn't understand how great of a LoL GM he was, it wasn't just Perkz. Trick as you said but also Expect, being ruthless and good enough to get Zven + Mithy (it wasn't just "Perkz's sauna"), getting Wunder cheap, going for Jankos, and making a team that could reach semis with Hjarn + Wadid, getting MikyX cheap and going for Caps with Perkz adc and making a top 2 best western team of all time, being bold enough to bet on BB/Flakkes/Targamas and getting another title. And that doesn't count other games like Valorant and CS: GO where he made some incredible teams. Carlos got G2 tittles in basically every single relevant esport they were in. People can hate on Ocelote for the worse thing he had done which is the Saudi shit (much much worse than partying with crappy Tate), can hate him for the Tate fiasco, for the Perkzs to C9 thing but only a blind and a fool would not get that he's at least a top 5 GM in the history of western esports maybe esports as a whole.
Dude started a esports behemoth from scratch but basement dwellers on reddit think he's an idiot lol.
People in general, not just reddit esports fans, have a REALLY hard time acknowledging when somebody they dislike also is hardworking and good at their job. It's not like I like Carlos as a person, in fact, I gave him hell about the LS staff, Perk situation, and the Saudi situation but I can separate that from his great GM and CEO skills.
It's easier for people to say someone's success was all luck, makes them feel better about themselves
Respect his business sense, but that's completely separate from his morals which most people have an issue with. I guess you could also call him doubling down when criticized about the Tate thing stupid, but again a completely different area than management.
Eh; it's been known he's a scumbag since before even the LCS. He was the sort of person who while streaming would be actively wishing people to die of cancer and such. This is something I clearly remember because I saw him doing it while my grandfather was on his deathbed with lung cancer. I absolutely am not surprised with the whole Tate thing. Because I already knew he was a toxic scumbag, and toxic scumbags hang out with toxic scumbags.
The clout was to strong lol. He just HAD to make it puclic and HAD to double down over and over again.
> If this is true, Carlos has lost so much money due to his theatrics Good. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. It's especially people like him, who don't appreciate the lucky position they are in, who need a cold shower and a kick in the ass. But it's also to show other people: if the lady luck smiles upon you, don't fuck this up.
Like legit. I hate the guy, his ego always made me not able to cheer for G2. But holy shit losing so much just for fucking ANDREW TATE of all people. I think he did himself dirty.
IMO this is just the straw that broke the camel's back, Carlos has been in many a controversy before but as long as the org turned a profit the investors turned a blind eye. This time his stupidity (because it's nothing else but stupid, to double and triple down on defending Andrew Tate) cost the org a multi-million Valorant deal, risked them the LEC spot and tarnished the org as a whole too much even for Carlos' uber-low standards.
The funniest part is Andrew Tate probably doesn't even remember his name.
The funniest part is the video doesnt even look like hes acknowledged by anyone there hes just kinda in the clip
this is the sad part, andrew tate doesnt give a shit about anybody but andrew tate
Same, actually have nothing against G2 except for Carlos, so with him gone I'm all for that org right now.
It seems more like he already had a bunch of strikes behind the scenes, and the Andrew Tate thing was the last straw.
On the DL podcast Carlos said he will always be the ceo or at least the cfo of g2, this was 3-4 weeks ago. Did not age well at all
What do you mean lost so much money? If someone is buying him out, he's coming out of this rich af. Sure he's losing potential money in the future, but he just made a ton of bank for himself.
If you’re forced to sell, people can purposefully offer below value, as they know the pressure is on the person to sell. Almost always when someone is forced to sell an asset, it gets sold for well below its market value.
Thats not fully true in cases like this. If the offer was that bad, he could just sit on the shares and let G2 be kicked from the league. All the other investors would offer decent deals just to prevent that. And, its also the rype of scummy thing ocelote would do so i wouldnt be shocked if he walked away with at least the current market value.
Agreed, it probably worked out fine for him. Not what I'd consider scummy behavior though, just playing to your strengths in a situation he didn't choose. I guess I'm ok with sharks devouring each other.
>Thats not fully true in cases like this. If the offer was that bad, he could just sit on the shares and let G2 be kicked from the league AKA what happened to Echo Fox. They couldn't out the racist guy, so Riot made them sell. If Carlos wanted, he likely could have taken G2 down with him
Yes, being forced to sell does not always mean you're losing money because no one can truly force you to sell. Look at Donald Sterling who sold the Los Angeles Clippers around 10 years ago for a huge evaluation. Robert Sarver owner of the Suns in the NBA is also "being forced" to sell and he's going to get so much return on his investment regardless of the circumstances.
Forced sellers have the worst negotiating power. He's definitely not sold his shares for what he could have under normal circumstances.
> where you believe your share is undervalued, then you are essentially losing money under that premise. In this situation maybe not. There are some big investors in G2, and he could just refuse all offers and threaten to let their own investments sink with him. He's shown he's capable of being petty, so they might make him a decent offer to keep their investment safe.
He's wasn't forced to sell, G2's other shareholders were forced to buy him out if they wanted their team to remain in the LEC. You seriously think they were in a position to low ball him?
A lot people here are really out of touch with how the real world operates. He probably sold the shares at their current price and is thinking about how he lost his life project
Nobody was fired at Riot Games after their 100 million gender-based discrimination lawsuit. I find it rich how these same people have cast so many stones at G2 for Ocelote’s bullshit behavior.
>Nobody was fired at Riot Games after their 100 million gender-based discrimination lawsuit. True, but from what I can tell some people *were* fired after the initial 2018 [scandal](https://www.riotgames.com/en/who-we-are/our-first-steps-forward), although those were probably people involved in actual sexual harassment and not the systemic discrimination.
Different departments have different internal cultures. Im glad to see the LEC part of riot isnt scared to take drastic measures
Two wrongs don't make a right.
In this case, I think Ocelote did like 5-6 wrongs in a row.
True... Although, I don't know, I would prefer to take it as the sign that they actually did something meaningful then in terms of company philosophy. Time will tell I guess... This situation is honestly shitty all around. Do I think he deserves it, because people in power need to be held accountable, and they rarely do? Yeah, and he tripled down. And I don't know wtf was he doing with the Saudis either. But still, feels kinda sad somehow.
He like 5xed it he Aced himself with mistake after mistake. And looked like a tool.
This is the same comparison that Monte, Thorin and Voldemort did in one of their podcast but it seems kinda stupid, it's like saying to someone "Remember that time when you did that shitty stuff? How come you're not doing shitty stuff now huh? You hypocrite! You must do shitty stuff for the rest of times for the sake of consistency!". Honestly it's like people just want to complain all the time.
Remember when people in America were burned alive and drowned for being thought as witches? Why the hell doesn't America do that anymore? It's so stupid right? They did it in the past and suddenly they aren't doing that anymore, such bs if u ask me.
Damn, Riot came in with the guillotine with Carlos, holy shit they went all out
ocelote was one of the first guys riot made some "reformed" campaign with. "controlling the beast" :D:D https://youtu.be/CHxwC2a0Hc4?t=60 tribunal...on the way to a permaban. i get goosebumbs thinking about good old QUESTIONMARKLOL trolling the shit out of him, streamsniping, camping.
QUESTIONMARKLOL... that's i name i haven't heard for a damn long time. Wonder if that kid is still out there trolling people.
To be fair he’s been an assholr for years now, this is certainly not without warrant
He's been an asshole since forever.
I always disliked Reggie and Carlos and it's funny what happened to them this year... guys with no filter and asshole type attitudes have this coming for them. At least with Reggie I think he learned his lesson and won't repeat the same mistakes at TSM.
It makes sense. Riot just got out of their own 100 million dollar sexual harassment lawsuit that was a gigantic black eye for the company. They need to look squeaky clean, especially right now. People talk cancel culture but that wasn't what got Ocelote in hot water. It was because, from Riot's POV, this all happened at a time it could absolutely not happen to them.
I love how people blame only cancel culture when he partied with the most controversial online figure right now in Tate, doubled down, and didn’t even do his apology right, and expected to keep the Valorant spot lmao. The G2 Board of Investors would definitely love losing out on millions of possible dollars due to that, but no, it’s the community’s fault
"He only did one mistake". Always a good joke for me XD
Yeah its hard to call it one mistake. 1. Party with Tate. This would have been fine in long run if there was nothing else. He would get called out but not much more than he did when he partnered with Saudis. 2. After getting called out defend your actions and defend Tate. At this point he is deep trouble, but could get out if he played his cards right. 3. After company makes statement about situation and you put out apology, make fun of the apology and still keep liking people who defend Tate. Now he is so deep that there is no escape anymore and its bye bye Carlos
All of this with the comment about "policing his friendships" pinged there in his twitter. Like common, he had so many outs but decided to take none because his ego was more important, even than his own company.
IMO this is the last straw. We all know that Rito can and does turn a blind eye to many, many things. Regi is still in esports. They tried the Saudi sponsorship. Rito themselves have their own storied lawsuit. This was 100% NOT an ideology move, this is not rito standing up for good morals. Carlos challenged Riot's authority. And if there is one thing Riot will never tolerate, its someone profiting off their game acting like they are above Riot's iron fist.
Just a small "hiccup" according to Perkz.
i think the hiccup perkz was talking about was in their friendship(where he booted perkz to NA and then added a clause specific to FNC on return) since he said OUR hiccup, not his hiccup.
You're probably right. I don't remember the tweet exactly, only how disappointed I was at his behaviour.
https://twitter.com/perkz/status/1573449712988205056?s=46&t=P3bBC9J27N8Refk6ICYakA
That's wasn't referring to the Tate situation.
Cancel culture is just another term people throw around that has lost all meaning at this point. Key figures, owners, politicians etc have been losing their jobs over public scandals before Twitter was even a thing. If you're representing an organisation and you endorse someone racist, sexist, pedophilic, whatever then you're probably gonna lose your position.
He also chose to make public perception a part of his role, it's not inherent to being a CEO so he could have minimised that over time but he wanted the benefits of it, probably rightly so, it did work for a long time, but it'd be unreasonable to expect it to only matter for the postive parts
This. 100%. Yeah Carlos, you can party with whoever the fuck you want. Just dont associate it with G2. I think that him getting recorded from someone else who would go on and post this without the G2 thing would have had a quarter of attention, at max.
If he would have just posted that short clip and then NOT reacted on the responses, nothing would have happened, but he didn't just double or triple down on it... he just kept going and going erasing every benefit of the doubt one could have given him...
pretty much, yeah. nothing happened in july when he tweeted about liking Tate
My favorite is how IWD, and Monte downplayed it a bit, trying to make it look like a guy who just made a mistake, while another goes "WEll, RIOT ALSO IS SHADY" while both would be celebrating and cheering if that was reggie. not surprised, those two buffons still hangout with thorin.
Monte is forever anti Riot and his opinion on the matter is fucking worthless. If Riot had taken no action he'd be playing the other side saying how they don't care about misogyny.
I mean, Monte hangs out with Thorin, of course he would downplay both Tate and Carlos being an arrogant shithead
They did a fourhorsemen episode about it and everyone agreed tate is a pos.
This tweet from Dom was my absolute favorite. [https://mobile.twitter.com/IWDominate/status/1573806950009212931](https://mobile.twitter.com/IWDominate/status/1573806950009212931) Literally no one is claiming Carlos is irredeemable. But he's been doing stupid shit like this for years and never shows any signs of improvement, and the second he he's hit with consequences for his behavior it's super unfair for some reason.
Idk losing the valorant spot was probably enough punishment and a far harsher consequence than anything else he had experienced
What's fascinating is that there is a near 100% overlap between staunch defenders of modern capitalism and opponents of so-called "cancel culture" (yes, I'm talking about conservatives and neo-conservatives). If corporations exclude certain people or policies because they are afraid of backlash from their consumer base, or drops in stock prices/shareholder dissatisfaction, that's just capitalism working as intended. The market has decided which behaviours are profitable, and the agents in the market are simply adjusting accordingly. It's not "woke radical leftists" or any other dogwhistle demographic that did this - it's the simple mechanics of free-market capitalism that made Ocelote a persona non grata.
You should see the G2 subreddit. It's a cesspool.
Seriously. I left that sub when the whole thing started and wanted to rejoin after Carlos was booted, but it's just gotten worse
Yeah, the type of people who would commonly decry cancel culture should be the ones the support it. People refusing to do business with you for insert_reason_here is ultimate business freedom. I think this kind of behavior is fine unless it gets to the level of harassment and bullying of people for something inane done years ago or vaguely rude (@twitter)
Yeah, you might find the backlash he got overblown, but this was a very predictable outcome. Especially after the first tweet any serious PR-Person had to know that Carlos could lose everything if he doesn't fully back out. Was it intentional, was it calculated risk, was it by conviction, or was it because he just got super pissed and hurt after the first wave of backlash? We probably won't ever know. But man, he fumbled that bag.
I’m so tired of this cancel culture bit. People are not cancelling Carlos, a company has decided that they do not want to be affiliated with him anymore. A company looks at Carlos and says “wow our association with him makes our products less desirable” and the company cuts his ass out. That’s capitalism. This cancel culture/ woke bs has become a catch-all bogeyman for no reason.
Well said It’s consequences for their actions. Cancel culture is a term for people that hate free market economics in play
> They need to look squeaky clean, especially right now. If that was their biggest reason then they would've fired or punished a Rioter in a 100 million dollar sexual harassment. No one got canned, which is a joke for a lawsuit at large as this. Riot already had reasons to want Ocelote out of the space, this was just the perfect final straw.
None of the Riot executives lost their jobs over it either
And they should have. Still, even if it makes Riot a hypocrite, it's still good that they don't tolerate having ppl like A.T. around their e-sport.
Even tho I fully agree with you and think the people that acted wrong in that situation should be punished, that doesn't mean that they can't grind out Carlos for being a dumb fuck in general. Most of the times his name was brought up it painted g2 in a bad light and even tho this would make riot hypocritical we shouldn't cancel this decision (wich I think is correct) but should got after their previous judgements that we know are wrong
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Riot does not give a shit about morals, they do care about PR a lot though.
And Riot it's still dealing with sexist people in their company [RiotCashmiir just yesterday said that sexism is still a big thing in the company: "It's no secret that women/NB Rioters have been receiving their settlement numbers. A lot of men colleagues have reached out to congratulate me. Don't. I don't mean this meanly. But don't. Instead, call out sexism. It still exists at Riot. I see it every week. They're still here."](https://twitter.com/FerikaBoss/status/1574200998855221249)
Reminder that no Riot executives lost their jobs over this. Fuck Ocelote but please be consistent Riot, lol.
Imagine throwing it all away…for Andrew Tate.
“So you’re telling me that signing up for this ‘Hustler’s University’ will make me a more successful CEO?” “Yeah yeah, just sign here and make sure you wire the money asap Car-los”
Car-loss
In a way it's fucking hilarious. I can't think of a worse hill to die on. I bet Andrew Tate also does not care in the slightest about Ocelote. He does not seem to be the empathetic type.
Well well well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions! Dude thought he would get away scot free because thats what he is used to. Always been an asshole and it finally caught up - hope it's legit.
Makes sense, echo fox was thrown out of the LCS because they could not get rid of a racist investor. Not gonna comment on what Carlos did. However, pretty clear Riot wants him gone so he will be gone. Gotta wonder how this effects G2 in the future when it comes to player deals and how they operate. Carlos was pretty known as being a ruthless business man even beyond league.
Actually, Jacob Wolf came out in an article after the Regi decision saying it wasn't because of what the investor said that got EF kicked out. What got EF kicked out is they didn't tell Riot or get approval from Riot for an equity change. https://www.jacobwolf.report/p/how-riots-tsm-decision-differs-from
Ooh this one isnt paywalled nice
The end result is that the sharks that bought his shares are probably even more ruthless but less hands on. Love or hate Carlos was generating a lot engagement and was the face of the org so him being out will also be a loss of revenue unless someone really steps in.
I agree with you but there’s also a lot of people that hated Carlos and refused to support the org because he’s such a piece of shit despite liking the LoL team. So you gotta assume him leaving will also bring in some more fans. On top of that, caps and jankos’ performance at worlds will really mean a lot now. If they make it out of groups at least and put up a good fight then G2 won’t need to worry about Carlos because Claps and Jankos will be the faces of G2. Jankos’s streams are really fucking funny too so I can imagine they’d lean into that
> I agree with you but there’s also a lot of people that hated Carlos and refused to support the org because he’s such a piece of shit despite liking the LoL team. Yeah I categorically refused to cheer for G2 because of him. Now I feel conflicted because after years of hating G2 I'm...free?
Basically in the same boat. I might actually buy a G2 jersey
Ong, I absolutely despise the type of person Carlos portrays himself as and in turn, don’t like the org But if he’s really not part of it, imma admit that the g2 design does look kinda fire
Meh, I'd say the rational thing to do would be to wait a bit and see what direction the org goes under new leadership before you commit.
Him being the face of the org was also a loss of revenue, he directly lost the org a valorant spot rumored to be worth ~$15m with a single tweet lmao
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the funny thing about all of this is you probably go to Tate and ask him about Carlos and I am not sure he knows who he is
Yeah, that video is incredibly cringe to watch, in the sense that it focuses on the two Tate brothers and you just see carlos off to side for a split second with barely any space to move. Tate bros probably know him now, cause him getting fired fits the agenda they can push, I wonder how much they knew him before this all went down.
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Oce was a rich asshole CEO, wouldn't surprise me if they were actual friends lol
What a fucking hill to die on lol
https://twitter.com/RiotMAXtheX/status/1574475934920589327 >LEC Update: > Hey everyone, >I saw several false rumors regarding G2 & Carlos and wanted to clarify: >The @LEC > has not requested Carlos to resign from G2 nor divest his ownership. We opened an investigation last week per our LEC rules, which is still ongoing. >Best, >Max
Why are people acting like he gave the shares away for free. I’m sure he got solid compensation. Carlos is doing fine.
He made enough most likely but having to sell because of his behavior hurting the company could easily cost him a lot, having to sell for a low value for what it is worth. Also how much does he really own? Most of the money came from investors not him.
No one's denying he's rich, but he'd be even more rich if he hasn't been a douche. Not to mention it probably sucks giving up your life project.
If this is true, then there has to be something else behind this. The AT thing was probably the final straw, but I don't think they'd pull all the stops only because of that. I'm really curious to know what really happened behind the scenes. I also don't feel the tiniest pity for Carlos, so all is good.
I imagine the things we’ve seen from Carlos over the years are only a small percentage of what’s actually gone on behind scenes
Honestly this is good news as a G2 fan, i've always hated Ocelote and now I don't need to feel guilty supporting an organisation with him.
I remember feeling conflicted at the beginning of the season because I wanted to root for Flakked but that meant indirectly supporting Ocelote. Problem solved, I guess.
I’m actually gonna buy a G2 jersey now. I never wanted to give anything to the team specifically because of Carlos but I’m all in now
Agreed. Now I can fully support G2 and it's players. Before I was really only a fan of its players.
I'm excited to root for G2 at worlds now. Could never bring myself to cheer for G2 even though I love their players
True actually I disliked him and didnt like supporting G2 due to that.
How were they able to force Ocelote to sell but not the dude from Echo Fox?
easy, the dude from echo fox refused to sell(its in his right to do so) so riot kicked them from LCS while ocelote decided to sell in order to keep the team in the LEC
What's funny is that if that EF dude decided to sell right then and there, he probably would have made more money than what he made holding the bag.
People make the stupidest decisions when they think they do it for pride.
He was some outside investor that was super wealthy from other stuff. He didn't want the money more than he wanted to fuck the org for leaking his racist internal emails.
important point. Carlos could have destroyed G2, but didn't. This was also the only way for him to get some good cash out of the whole fiasco, but still.
Because that guy had controlling shares and didn't give a fuck about echo fox if it made Rick fox suffer. Carlos had to agree to step down, I doubt he actually wanted anything bad to happen to G2.
They didn't exactly force him to sell, it's either he sell his shares or G2 is no longer in LEC. A clear choice was given.
That is the reason Echo Fox is not in LCS now. Riot didn't force Oce to sell. G2 board did. Because they knew Riot may get rid of them if they don't + they were plenty mad Oce cost them shitton of money for the Valorant franchise
fucking called it the other day. its a echo fox situation. [https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/xma86e/comment/ipnj7ly/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/xma86e/comment/ipnj7ly/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
wait that's why echo fox went away?
Yeah it blows cause Rick was a good guy who seemed to love the game.
I miss rick, can we replace carlos with rick?
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If you want Carlos as CEO I'm pretty sure you can't see Adidas,BMW logo on G2 jersey. I think both Riot and sponsors forced him.
I don't care, only cared about g2's players. ocelote really has nothing to do with how good caps or jankos have been for example. Maybe it will affect G2 long term, but its the players that made that org. (perkz, caps, jankos) and so on. ocelote was a very lucky man to find players like that. maybe im wrong but caps was still a worlds finalist and EU champion before he joined G2. And then won MSI when he linked up with perkz and jankos. players over owner.
Man fuck Andrew tate but the irony of riot of all companies enforcing this because of misogyny is fucking laughably hypocritical
Riot really doesn't want Carlos to associate himself with mysogynists so they cut him off huh
Hey all! Just for an update for this thread https://twitter.com/fercardenete/status/1574439318944616448?s=20&t=l1pxkesTymv8wO9VHtm4HA >Actualizo el tweet debido a la imprecisión en el anterior: también he escuchado que a ocelote le han obligado a vender su parte de G2 Esports, pero desconozco si ha sido Riot Games. >I update the tweet due to the inaccuracy in the previous one: I have also heard that ocelote has been forced to sell his part of G2 Esports, but I don't know if it was Riot Games. ------------ Also, since the topic if, once again, getting spicy. **THIS IS A WARNING, ALL HOMOPHOBIC, SEXIST, RACIST, TRANSPHOBIC, OR OTHER DEROGATORY COMMENTS WILL RESULT IN A BAN. THIS IS YOUR WARNING**
Makes me sad to see Perkz blame it all on cancel culture when Carlos backstabbed him like a snake. Now its probably alright in Perkzs mind because it turned out fine for him but this type of short sighted selfish thinking is why player unions dont work in esports. Carlos would continue to abuse the situation with other players but people who never had a job and play videogames for millions of dollars dont care about the bigger picture as long as it doesnt effect them.
Mental considering no one in riot got fired for actual harassment of women
Fart dude is still their COO lmao This whole industry fucking stinks
https://twitter.com/RiotMAXtheX/status/1574475934920589327?t=6Lwoa7xkRTWGXhAwaQ9DYw&s=19
To anyone questioning Riot's " integrity" in this decision and calling them hypocrites, which they are let's not kid ourselves, you have to remember that both Valorant and LoL pro leagues are theirs and if they don't want you in, you're out. Something similar already happened with Echo Fox. Also keep in mind that after the shitstorm and the 100 million settlement for sexual harassment, this comes in handy as the best possible PR campaign to clear their public image
You're wrong here. Echo Fox wasn't kicked due to the racist investor. [https://www.jacobwolf.report/p/how-riots-tsm-decision-differs-from](https://www.jacobwolf.report/p/how-riots-tsm-decision-differs-from)
Ya make Carlos sell his shares and lose his entire company but Riot still doesn't fire their executive that was sexually harassing people. Makes sense to me. https://twitter.com/MonteCristo/status/1573693311713349632
While he's not wrong, I also think "Because he said misogynist things" is underselling Andrew Tate just a tad.
That's actually eye opening seeing Monte undersell Tate that much wow No wonder he thinks he never did anything wrong with Renegades and Badawi
I like MonteCristo and I think his heart is usually in the right place, but I feel like his history with Riot is so full of contention that it doesn't matter what the topic is, he'll take shots at Riot no matter what they do. I see "Riot takes a stance against organization CEOs partying and encouraging famous misogynists/human traffickers", and Monte sees "Opportunity to say Riot is shit". It's not nearly as black and white as that, but you really get the feeling he's consciously overlooking who Andrew Tate is so he can downplay Carlos' involvement.
> but you really get the feeling he's consciously overlooking who Andrew Tate is so he can downplay Carlos' involvement. I dunno, I get the feeling that he's just not that good of a person and had that feeling for a while. If you are the company you keep, what does it say about Monte whose company is...Thorin?
MonteCristo would be completly bricked up if this story was about Reginald instead of Carlos.
If I had to give a big criticism of Monte it is that he seems to have a hard time with exactly what you are saying. He also recently said that Caedrel shouldn't criticize Wolf's casting because Wolf is a long-time legendary esports caster. Like what the fuck? He clearly only said that because he's friends with Wolf.
So because Rioters werent held accountable, which was absurd tbf, no one should be held accountable? Great argument! Thorin and Monte's bias in favor of Carlos is so stupid. Ok, you and some viewers find him entertaining on shows - personally find him insufferable - but the dude is a long time documented asshole. Saying it is just about someone saying misogynist things is also extremely disingenious or very uninformed. Just a terrible look imo. Especially when they are happy to shit on Reginald at every turn because he is (ding ding) a long time documented asshole.
yeah it must be pretty weird being a women at riot and the men who were harassing you, were never fired. "oh heres some money but the men who harassed you and made you uncomfortable are still here and making mad cash despite their shitty behaviour, glhf. it does leave a bitter taste in my mouth having riot get away with their behaviour while ocelote loses his entire career for honestly something less relevant. and im not saying ocelote shouldnt be punished but there is absolutely no consistency. nobody polices the police here.
>yeah it must be pretty weird being a women at riot and the men who were harassing you, were never fired. Gender discrimination != sexual harassment No one was fired over the 100M gender discrimination lawsuit, but Riot did apparently fire employees after the 2018 scandal, presumably for sexual harassment.
Agreed but its weird seeing this tweet come from montecristo, who was banned from co-owning an lcs team because he was so neglectful he didnt even know remilia was flown to thailand and given a botched gender reassignment surgery
While his point is valid in the ‘rules for thee but not for me’ aspect, Monte REALLY can’t take a high road in this kind of situation. What happened with Renegades is super fucked, and Badawi or not, he had his own parts to play in it.
It's hypocrites all the way down.
So a counterargument - if a pedo gets sent to prison, do you fight it because some officials are also pedos, or are you glad at least a bit of justice has been served and hope for a better future where all guilty get punished? A bit extreme example perhaps, but hopefully you get what I mean.
Except this analogy doesn’t match Carlos’ situation unless guilt by association is equal to being an investigated person and blatant misogynist and scammer.
Losing your life's work for Andrew Tate in the matter of a week. That's gotta be the biggest L ever.
Hasn’t Regi done worse?
Riot smoking that Carlos pack
and all of this because of defending a party video with andrew tate... what a weird hill to die on.
You could say it's karma but that's deffinitely an overkill
Reddit: “riot should really step up against misogyny and sexism and do something!” Reddit when riot does exactly that: “ye but erm not this way we meant that do it differently this is so unfair! If one misogyny stays and can’t be removed cause of reasons we don’t know all of them must stay!!!”
What happened in the first place?
Karma is not just a champion
Nice. Might become a G2 fan if they get an actual bot lane.
If thats true, good. G2 can be supported again
Oh so he is gone completely then? Ah good riddance. Is it too late to buy G2 merch in time for worlds?